Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Voidmage]

Frankly I think Gulool Jaja is a bad character, up there with Wuk Lamat or even worse.

He seems to be a bad father given how one dimension all 3 of his characters are. But ... is he even a good ruler.

The most baffling aspect about his rule is the story of the Mamook Ja ... you know ... his own people?

So the Mamook Ja was so desperated that they decided to dig a tunnel through the mountain and committed to a bloody war to a better life.

Gulool Jaja appeared, give them a meal and just tell them to go home. Yay, great ruler!!

But from what we see, he literally did NOTHING to address the concern or the root cause of the war during the 80 years of his rule

The Mamook Ja was still suffering, was still desperate. Probably even more so than before.

I hate the story as much as any here but hard disagree.

Gulool JaJa was neither a bad character nor was he a bad father.

He is one of the few characters in the story that actually FEELS like a character and not just a walking trope or plot devise.

It's also clear he was a good father to his children. None of them hated that part about him, not even Zoraal Ja and he clearly only had the best for Tural in mind.

The Mamook Ja thing is kinda stupid yes but there are actually two things to consider.
Gulool JaJa was a leader and the probably had the first half of his reign his hand full of actually making a city that doesn't kill each other.
Let's also remember that those guys chose to stay behind and suffer.

The whole Mamool ja stuff was first and foremost attrocious writing with them not even bothering trying differnent crops or something else.
They could also have just raised animals and traded the rest if they wanted to.
It's pretty clear their suffering at least is half self induced.

[Raven2014]

Gulool JaJa was neither a bad character nor was he a bad father.

He's bad in the same sense of most other DT's character is bad, the narrative barely tell us anything about them. We know he was a strong and wise character which demonstrated through his feast. But how was he as a ruler, we have a 80 years gap with literally nothing to fill.

He is one of the few characters in the story that actually FEELS like a character and not just a walking trope or plot devise.

First, I think that's because he's actually pretty empty. Second I also disagree about he's not a trope, he's actually one of the VERY typical one. The super-cool character who is also designed to die to either make room for or push the rest of the cast. Top of my heads let's see ... Duncan from Dragon Age Origin, Mother Queen from Suikoden 5, Jeralt from Fire Emblem Three Houses, General Ouki from Kingdom, and a lot more. Seriously, he's the type of character that after 2 interaction I was like "yep, this guy gonna die, soon".

Here is one of your (J)RPG 101: if the parents of an important character appear in the same story, there is a good chance the parents are there to die. And the cooler the parents, the higher the chance of that happening. It's very old formula.

It's also clear he was a good father to his children. None of them hated that part about him, not even Zoraal Ja and he clearly only had the best for Tural in mind.

I know quite a few "children" who love their parents very much, whether they're well adjusted individual though ... I don't think the metric you're using are accurate nor reliable.

Gulool JaJa was a leader and the probably had the first half of his reign his hand full of actually making a city that doesn't kill each other.

I'm not gonna say you're wrong but you don't know that it's true either. And this is the problem, we're trying to fill the gap with conjecture because the narrative doesn't tell us anything.

The whole Mamool ja stuff was first and foremost attrocious writing with them not even bothering trying differnent crops or something else.
They could also have just raised animals and traded the rest if they wanted to.
It's pretty clear their suffering at least is half self induced.

The worst part of this is how "laughable easy" we were able to solve this 80+ years issue when we arrived. Gulool Ja Ja reached out to the Krile's grand father while Konoa essentially went for a full scholarship, this show they're well connected and aware of the Sharyaland capability. His right hand man stayed in that forest for 80 years, and were a world renown seasonal adventure ... and you tell absolutely no one were able to come up with such a simple and obvious solution? The whole super baby thing is like jumping to the letter Z to solve the issue while ignoring all the ABC before that.

Also you can read Papayatar's reply right above for further explanation why this story is a really bad reflection on Gulool Ja Ja

[St0rmy]

She was fine for the first half but she should've been side lined after she became Dawnservant and the focus shifted to Erenville and Krile, but that did not happen. It just kept the attention on her and she quite literally forced herself into a moment that would've been a 11/10 for the game as a whole and completely ruined it. Obviously I'm talking about the final trial. I'm still praying they consider rewrites of post-patch MSQ if it features her heavily.

Annoying character & having a bad VA just creates a concoction that most people cannot tolerate.

[Raven2014]

The Mamook issue was like a hole in the wall though ...

Can I call it ... a plot hole?

And yeah I'm pretty much agree with the rest of your post because that's how I see it too.

His whole thing was about unifying people but he ignored what was going on in his home town after he checked off stopping the war in that area and got them to have dinner together. Mission accomplished?

And it's not like he's not aware of the issue. Being a blessed himself, he must at least have an irking about his people fascination. Also like you mentioned the fact he adopted WL means he must be aware there is still a cold war going on.

Some may say it could be the whole bless obssession only started after his people saw how great he is ... that still wouldn't excuse him from not noticing it for 80 years. Otherwise he's really not in a position to bid the 4 promises to "go out and learn more about your people" if he himself missed an issue the size of the titanic.

[Savagelf]

First make a super soldier is to be human. Alot the response are human responsible. Enemies who will eat together won't fight each other it may culture too. Second gulool is sterile so adopting children is something he would do third children that keep they problem inside won't let other know about what they struggle with. All are human responsible. Wok lamah be kept close to home is probably because of the attempt on her life. I don't think any characters is bad they just human

[Alisa180]

I switched to JP voice acting before starting the DT MSQ, and I think it helped my impressions.

I'm not here to defend the story, only say it feels *insansely* refreshing after Endwalker.

Endwalker was a fantastic story... That literally triggered my mental health issues to the point I uninstalled briefly during the last zone. Afterwards, it was like the game itself became something of a trigger, not ideal because I used FFXIV to help cope with said issues. It culminated in me taking a hiatus from FFXIV to wait until the next xpac release.

After DT finally released and I bought a story skip for the 6.x patches, I felt a great sense of relief. The story feels like glass of lemonade on a hot day. Its flawed, but after EW went a bit too hard for me, it was nice to have something not defined by intense dread.

Wak Lamut should have dropped out after the Rite was done, but I kinda went past her into 'You do you, I'm just gonna talk to every NPC before moving on' territory, taking screenshots, and loving the encounter design in the new dungeons. Oh, and catching up on stuff I missed out during my hiatus, like the Island Santuary, which periodically side-tracked me.

Its not that I stopped caring about the story, more that I focused on other characters, their interactions, and details. And getting distracted like a FATE chain in Shaaloni or my unlucky encounter with an A-rank at level 94. ...I'm so glad to be playing again.

[Voidmage]

He's bad in the same sense of most other DT's character is bad, the narrative barely tell us anything about them. We know he was a strong and wise character which demonstrated through his feast. But how was he as a ruler, we have a 80 years gap with literally nothing to fill.

You are correct that we aren't told that outright but that is one of the few times that's actually not wrong in my opinion.
We can just look at all the people there. None are unhappy, the borders to other continents were opened and he installed a big Aether crystal network.
His rule seems to be full of building up a peacefull town, safe country and technology where it benefits the people.

If anything I would say we know more about his rule then about him being a father.

First, I think that's because he's actually pretty empty. Second I also disagree about he's not a trope, he's actually one of the VERY typical one. The super-cool character who is also designed to die to either make room for or push the rest of the cast. Top of my heads let's see ... Duncan from Dragon Age Origin, Mother Queen from Suikoden 5, Jeralt from Fire Emblem Three Houses, General Ouki from Kingdom, and a lot more. Seriously, he's the type of character that after 2 interaction I was like "yep, this guy gonna die, soon".

Here is one of your (J)RPG 101: if the parents of an important character appear in the same story, there is a good chance the parents are there to die. And the cooler the parents, the higher the chance of that happening. It's very old formula.

Nono, you missunderstand me. I'm not saying he as no tropes. I'm saying he deosn't feel like it.
Yes he is the cool old dude trope like you mentioned but he is actually more then that like in my first point.
He was a good ruler and a father who loved his children besides trying his best to make a new dawnservant.
He also was someone who was not afraid to use his strenght to unify people but also knew when to talk things out.
That's not just one single trope.

On your examples:
Duncan was actually far deeper then that and kinda dark with his "grey wardens first" approach and Queen Arshtat was a loving mother who was manipulated by the sun rune. Both are far more then their tropes because they use those to make the character liek Gulool JaJa.
I agree on Jeralt though (hate three houses anyway). A better example would have been Ikes father in my opinion.
Those characters were not defined by their death but by their way to it and what they left behind after it.

I know quite a few "children" who love their parents very much, whether they're well adjusted individual though ... I don't think the metric you're using are accurate nor reliable.

Sorry but this here I don't understand.
You are using psychological problems here. Gulool JaJa was absolutely not an abusing parent or something. He clearly had the best interest of his children in mind and was even as only the head of resolve the most level headed character in the entire story with a bit of "I like to fight strong oponents".

I'm not gonna say you're wrong but you don't know that it's true either. And this is the problem, we're trying to fill the gap with conjecture because the narrative doesn't tell us anything.

Of course not. It's all just a theory because the writing sucks in DT and doesn't tell us anything but so is the whole debate about Gulool JaJas character.

The worst part of this is how "laughable easy" we were able to solve this 80+ years issue when we arrived. Gulool Ja Ja reached out to the Krile's grand father while Konoa essentially went for a full scholarship, this show they're well connected and aware of the Sharyaland capability. His right hand man stayed in that forest for 80 years, and were a world renown seasonal adventure ... and you tell absolutely no one were able to come up with such a simple and obvious solution? The whole super baby thing is like jumping to the letter Z to solve the issue while ignoring all the ABC before that.

I completely agree with you here.

Also you can read Papayatar's reply right above for further explanation why this story is a really bad reflection on Gulool Ja Ja

I know I just don't reply to everything, I don't even disagree on him having made mistakes or wrong turns.
I just harshly disagree on the notion that he was a bad ruler and bad parent because both things are told to us by the characters ingame to not be true.

[ViaDesperare]

I just need to rant - I can't even be on twitter anymore because of this crap.

Stay off Twitter/X, people there just complain about EVERYTHING, no matter how good it is. Pretty sure witch hunts go on there pretty darn often. It's just cult like mentality, if you aren't with them then you're against them. If you go on reddit, you'll see the FFXIV fans bash WoW to make FFXIV look good. Twitter-wise everyone has hero-syndrome. You get used to it, don't worry about the backlash and just say what you have to say. They can't do anything to you across the computer screen. People will disagree with you but just let it out. Same here, speak your mind, if people disagree then they disagree. If you need to let it out then let it out. The forums are here for criticism.

I'm not going to defend Sena though, she's an awful person from what her tweets tell about her and her performance is grating to the ears of many.

Story-wise, welcome to the horrible fanfic of Hiroi. It's awful and we are all depressed about it.

[Mortex]

You are correct that we aren\\'t told that outright but that is one of the few times that\\'s actually not wrong in my opinion.
We can just look at all the people there. None are unhappy, the borders to other continents were opened and he installed a big Aether crystal network.
His rule seems to be full of building up a peacefull town, safe country and technology where it benefits the people.

If anything I would say we know more about his rule then about him being a father.




Nono, you missunderstand me. I\\'m not saying he as no tropes. I\\'m saying he deosn\\'t feel like it.
Yes he is the cool old dude trope like you mentioned but he is actually more then that like in my first point.
He was a good ruler and a father who loved his children besides trying his best to make a new dawnservant.
He also was someone who was not afraid to use his strenght to unify people but also knew when to talk things out.
That\\'s not just one single trope.

On your examples:
Duncan was actually far deeper then that and kinda dark with his "grey wardens first" approach and Queen Arshtat was a loving mother who was manipulated by the sun rune. Both are far more then their tropes because they use those to make the character liek Gulool JaJa.
I agree on Jeralt though (hate three houses anyway). A better example would have been Ikes father in my opinion.
Those characters were not defined by their death but by their way to it and what they left behind after it.


Sorry but this here I don\\'t understand.
You are using psychological problems here. Gulool JaJa was absolutely not an abusing parent or something. He clearly had the best interest of his children in mind and was even as only the head of resolve the most level headed character in the entire story with a bit of "I like to fight strong oponents".



Of course not. It\\'s all just a theory because the writing sucks in DT and doesn\\'t tell us anything but so is the whole debate about Gulool JaJas character.


I completely agree with you here.


I know I just don\\'t reply to everything, I don\\'t even disagree on him having made mistakes or wrong turns.

He didn’t solve the glaring problem with his own home town for more then 80 years and effectively knew about it and didn’t do Jack having so many generations off innocent children die. Sounds like a good and wise ruler if you ask me.

He favours Wuk so much in comparison to his other children it’s downright stupid. Like his son tries his utmost to be like his father and what does he get ??? Nothing not even words or help from him. His kids also have almost no clue what the hell is happening culture wise in tural like not even a small amount. So the fact we have is he did help all the people and kept piece but somehow knew is own home was a monstrous place and did nothing for it in over 80 years ? Strong writing

[Savagelf]

This is usually true for rulers their home life is mess so they focus on what going outside their home life. I don't think the story is bad I think they had humanize a character the was more monster look so they did. Yet they had make each character different wok lamah like foods and good hunt. Her two brother are different. The issue with these characters they reduce the hero WoL to side character. Many people like be main character. No fault in that let hope that we won't have wok lamah much longer