Monk Rant

as someone who had monk as my second job. monk feels so bad. the freedom from having not only different rotations but also the positionals made it feel so unique. but now ... now you just sit at the side and eat the 1 other positional that it now has. it feels so brain dead. you no longer have to worry about a dot or positionals. just sit there hit the rotation that is forced on you and move for a mech that is incoming. rinse repeat until the fight is over. having to plan your rotation and knowing when you can do a side rotation or a rear rotation or having to do a hybrid made the job fun imo. now its just do the rotation and do the perfect balance and call it a day. everything that made the job fun and unique is now just hit the highlights and call it a day.
there was a high skill ceiling in which great monks could show off how great the job could be while the average person may not care about it or just level it and call it an xpac. sure it was a hard job to learn but it was even harder to master and that was also part of the charm of it. those that took the time to learn and mastered it were rewarded with great damage.
why can't i use one of the other skills in the rotation? why does it have to be just that ONE rotation then move to another? why can't i have freedom to choose what rotation would work in that situation? but most importantly why does monk feel so bad?
i personally would play every other job before monk this xpac. just a job that is going to get to max level and never touched again until the next xpac to get to max level again. it was a job that i looked forward to level and hop on to change things up, but now it will just gather dust and try to forget about it.

"We want our game to be accessible as possible, so we've expertly tuned every job to be so utterly one-note that you now have to actually have some kind of physical ailment to not be able to purple parse within 1 minute of booting up FFXIV for the first time. This will do wonders for player retention and make it so I don't have to do my job--I MEAN make it so players aren't confused by their jobs. Yeah.

...Anyways, where's my paycheck?"

-John Fantasy, Modern Job Designer for FFXIV

When I first saw the beast chakra balls at the very start of dawntrail and that they could stack to 2 or 3 I thought maybe they finally found a way to bring back the free flowing monk combos from before you just alternated them religiously. But that didn't last very long. What was it, 1 week before going back to endwalker monk?

I used to think monk was the black mage of melee. That was a long time ago.

What's annoying is that they killed monk, almost no one cared.

They did the exact same changes to Viper and there were 1000 threads.

People really do pick a job exclusively based on aesthetics.

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Originally Posted by koko-on-da-forumz

What's annoying is that they killed monk, almost no one cared.

They did the exact same changes to Viper and there were 1000 threads.

People really do pick a job exclusively based on aesthetics.

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I understand what you're getting at, but I think this is an oversimplification. On one end you have a brand new job that a lot of people were excited to play, and on the other end you have an old job that arguably hasn't clicked with players since Stormblood. Yeah Viper is going to have more voices because it naturally has more players right now, probably by a very wide margin.

That doesn't diminish the problems Monk is experiencing, it's just the reality of the situation.

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Originally Posted by koko-on-da-forumz

What's annoying is that they killed monk, almost no one cared.

They did the exact same changes to Viper and there were 1000 threads.

People really do pick a job exclusively based on aesthetics.

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Monk has never been a popular job, so it's not going to get much attention.

Not a rant but a question.

Since when did they merge PB and its following finishers into a single button?

I had them separated for the longest time...

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Originally Posted by genuine_stranger

Since when did they merge PB and its following finishers into a single button?

I had them separated for the longest time...

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Since never?
PB is still an independent ability and its respective finishers are only tied to the Masterful Blitz Action.

The only things monk is allowed to merge/unmerge is the Riddles of Fire/Earth + Followups and the Meditation + Chakra Spenders.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

Since never?
PB is still an independent ability and its respective finishers are only tied to the Masterful Blitz Action.

The only things monk is allowed to merge/unmerge is the Riddles of Fire/Earth + Followups and the Meditation + Chakra Spenders.

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I feel so dumb right now. lol

Guess it's time to fight my muscle memory.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

[I]"We want our game to be accessible as possible, so we've expertly tuned every job to be so utterly one-note that you now have to actually have some kind of physical ailment to not be able to purple parse within 1 minute of booting up FFXIV for the first time.

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Wouldn't this just increase the relative loss faced by having actual/unavoidable issues of access (i.e., real disabilities)?

Sidenote: Would the only way we could combat the removal of all non-mechanical (as in, actual button-pressing / appendage movement) skill expression be to point out its being more discriminatory, rather than less? >.>

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Originally Posted by koko-on-da-forumz

What's annoying is that they killed monk, almost no one cared.

They did the exact same changes to Viper and there were 1000 threads.

People really do pick a job exclusively based on aesthetics.

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There's also the difference between axing the cute new pony and beating the long-dead horse, tbf. Monk's been spiraling since late Stormblood. Endwalker was just a lucky fluke.

I just dont like blitz and losing the 2 timers are the cherry on top

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Originally Posted by TheAmazing3

When I first saw the beast chakra balls at the very start of dawntrail and that they could stack to 2 or 3 I thought maybe they finally found a way to bring back the free flowing monk combos from before you just alternated them religiously. But that didn't last very long. What was it, 1 week before going back to endwalker monk?

I used to think monk was the black mage of melee. That was a long time ago.

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They changed it because apparently nobody on the dev team plays monk... Yoshida stated pretty explicitly that the addition of beast chakras wouldn't change the job's core rotation. But since they gave the coerul and raptor gauges too many charges, it ended up fundamentally changing the way the core six-skill rotation of the job played from the way it had been since ARR. It also should be said that regardless of how many chakra balls it gave, you still were railroaded into a skill rotation, the only thing that changed is how many skills long that rotation was (it was 36 skills long to loop when Dawntrail launched... or effectively never since that added up to 72 seconds on a 2 second GCD, and perfect balance usage under the 60-second window would both upset that rotation as well as never align properly since you couldn't really determine what chakras you'd have every time)

Also to the other point.... every time monk players found a fun and interesting new way to play the job, the devs take it away (stares directly at wind tackle rotation from Stormblood... less so at fishing for chakras with anatman) Black mage was the only job allowed to be black mage... and even they aren't really allowed to be black mage anymore with the addition of flare star

The replys are dumb and mess with the blitz flow. The changes to the whole fury buff was also not a great change In the long term, it's made the job far more rigid and punishing.

If you messed up with the dot and buff you'd just have to either cycle back to it or perfect balance into using it but with this new system you don't even get a visual indicator to know that the attack isn't empowered so you may mess it up more than once before noticing.

The monk changes were really contradictory to the EW changes, they reworked monk into having this blitz combo system but every single 90-100 change has made the blitz combo system more awkward.

Small tangent, but it always feels funny to me that there's general notice that small twists from intended play always get pruned yet no one seemingly remembers that until Stormblood we could run double-Bootshine, double-TrueStrike rotations (staggered away from ToD/Frac strings), and even in Shadowbringers we could run double-True. (There just wasn't enough reward for it to be nearly worth the stat inefficiencies in Endwalker, sadly, at only 20 potency over Twin Snakes at the time.)

(Yes, those rotations meant dropping DK before DK and Twin before reapplying Twin, but it would take an AA and multiple oGCDs to miss those buffs for that to be a net loss.)

RIP meaningful SkS tier choice (even if, yes, it was generally slightly suboptimal despite the net gain in potency per GCD rotationally). The Fury system and double-Reply per 3 minutes, especially, makes getting an extra 2 GCDs per minute less attractive even where total accessible SkS would otherwise allow it if only because it's then so excessive for anything else now that we can't fit in a better buffed to buffer ratio from said SkS.

as someone who is lvling MNK currently, I like the new beast chakra balls.. but! Blitz Arts still feel disconnected! since there is nothing outside Perfect Balance to initiate Blitz Arts ._. imo Perfect Balance could be reworked to act more like SAM's Meikyo Shisui, as a Shortcut for the next Phantom Rush (or how it is called) or they should liberate Blitz Arts from Perfect Balance (not unlike they liberated Tsubamegaeshi off Meikyo).. Sorry for the Samurai Comparisons but we share the Gearsets afterall^^;

Also.. we got to lvl100.. and they added Mad Max Gear to the Game..
AND MONK DOESN'T LEARN 100 FISTS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
無駄 Indeed

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Originally Posted by RyuuZero

AND MONK DOESN'T LEARN 100 FISTS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
無駄 Indeed

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I don't get the obsession over this. I don't particularly want to have to find room for an awkward overlong channel just for the Jojo memes, and if you're referring to the XI version, we already have that inside of RoW (albeit at 50% attack speed increase instead of 80%, as not to clip the AA animation).

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Blitz Arts still feel disconnected!

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"Still"? Disciplined Fist and Demolish kept it pretty well integrated before...

Granted, when Endwalker Monk launched, I did likewise suggest somewhat similar (or, even larger) changes to Blitz, so it's not that I wholly fail to understand the dissatisfaction.

Dont know what you mean (ok, didnt played new monk yet).
At last at the end of shb was he allready "brain dead". Whe haf 2 positional skills for each position. I had placed each side in on line, so, that i only needed to change position one time per rotation.
I even keeped that in EW, after whe was reduced to 1 position per side.
I dont have any experience of allways moving around. At last not more, as with other meele.
From what you say, is it keeped that way with the new monk to. And it Sound nice. I liked the shb monk, because i was able to shut down my brain and simply punched, what was begore me.
EW needed a bit more thinking with the new chakra. But in overall is the monk the second most streamlined class, only after drg. What i actually like

Just wanna say I love that Fire's Reply and Wind's Reply are GCDs, and I especially love that Fire's Reply gives you Formless Fist. I'd actually like to see even more GCDs that break out of the standard forms, for example a low-medium potency punch that neither consumes nor grants any form, which you could use at a small dps loss to align yourself ahead of a burst window much like how SAM uses filler strings dependent on their SkS to align for burst. I'd call it One-Yalm Punch and give it a shorter range than most melee skills to make it a bit more interesting.

I have mixed feelings about the removal of timers. It hasn't changed the filler gameplay but the burst definitely requires less thought than it did in EW. However if the devs decide to make the job harder to play, I'd rather that be by reintroducing more positionals (e.g. on raptor GCDs) instead of bringing back timers.

add a dragon animation to dragon kick , add a snake animation to twin snake.. cmon now. took them 10 years to finally give animation to mnk combo they could atleast do it fully

I am not a monk main.. but I don't mind current monk but it has an identity crisis..
I wish blitz can have cast like samurai and job less busy overall

The original speedy job... should be less busy?

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

The original speedy job... should be less busy?

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Ninja and Viper are busy jobs.. Samurai and Monk should have cast being same sub role "striking"

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Originally Posted by koko-on-da-forumz

What's annoying is that they killed monk, almost no one cared.

They did the exact same changes to Viper and there were 1000 threads.

People really do pick a job exclusively based on aesthetics.

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Well with monk is more of the usual. One expac is good, the next one is gutted, so following the pattern, 8.0 monk should be good again

/s

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Originally Posted by Waterscape

add a dragon animation to dragon kick , add a snake animation to twin snake.. cmon now. took them 10 years to finally give animation to mnk combo they could atleast do it fully

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If done right... the roar of Pouncing Coeurl annoys me personally.

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Originally Posted by Tunda

Ninja and Viper are busy jobs.. Samurai and Monk should have cast being same sub role "striking"

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Why do you want monk to be slower?
It has fine pacing at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

Why do you want monk to be slower?
It has fine pacing at the moment.

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It is just an opinion.. I don't think we need more oGCD to current monk design

It just need to be more inline with its identity as a strking..

Sharing same gear with no common gameplay is meaningless

Monks only busy aspects should be management, the timers were good for this, the positionals were good for this, blitz is okay for this. Spamming oGCDs is SAMs and DRGs thing I think having a Monk with a million weaves would kill the job for everyone.

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

It is just an opinion.. I don't think we need more oGCD to current monk design

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I agree. Monk already has fast rolling GCDs and not that much oGCDs to press except during 2min burst windows. Someone must be aware of this because we didn't get a single new oGCD attack this expansion, and this is me being generous and ignoring their oversights of numbers + bugs like bootDK for week1 DT.

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

It just need to be more inline with its identity as a strking..

Sharing same gear with no common gameplay is meaningless

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Casters share the same gear, yet something like BLM, RDM and SMN are in entirely different leagues of how they function in play.
People are craving for job identity but at the same time are pushing for homogenization? It just makes no sense logically speaking.

At the end of the day, while it's always interesting to see the concepts that people come up with, I'm just expressing that I am opposed to Monks being moulded into Samurai2.0, or any other class for that fact, it has its own lane, let it sit in there.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

I agree. Monk already has fast rolling GCDs and not that much oGCDs to press except during 2min burst windows. Someone must be aware of this because we didn't get a single new oGCD attack this expansion, and this is me being generous and ignoring their oversights of numbers + bugs like bootDK for week1 DT.



Casters share the same gear, yet something like BLM, RDM and SMN are in entirely different leagues of how they function in play.
People are craving for job identity but at the same time are pushing for homogenization? It just makes no sense logically speaking.

At the end of the day, while it's always interesting to see the concepts that people come up with, I'm just expressing that I am opposed to Monks being moulded into Samurai2.0, or any other class for that fact, it has its own lane, let it sit in there.

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Before Viper release monk used to be a fast gcd job like Ninja

But after Viper release "scouting" gear has this identity fast based jobs who can be melee and have in their core dps kit range attacks.

That shake the identity of monk to me personally..
I feel like monk do not belong to "scouting" and also doesn't feel like samurai "striking"

Ninja and viper gameplay is so similar but approach the "scouting" identity very differently..
I feel like other subroles should feel like this..

Sub role should have an impact in the gameplay aspect of the jobs.


Regarding casters.. it is very different subject.

To me BLM and PCT should be in a separate sub class in casters

And red mage + summoner have their own sub class.

But this idea require a rework to the utility aspect of PCT.. remove them completely and it should have same downsides of BLM without feel the same job

Scouting should be the standard of making a subrole identity without being homogenized

I will give ab example of other game:

Monster hunter world:
Both greatsword and hammer have charge attacks but both of them play very differently.

Having common mechanic =/ homonization

this isnt monster hunter world this is a very different game.

blitz and iajitsu are already similar, enshroud, reawaken, gierskogul are all burst phases. The game already has melees share mechanics within their subrole and outside of it, Hammer and Greatsword both have charge attacks however Greatsword is ALL charge attacks while Hammer has charge attacks only a part of its kit. PCT and BLM do not both need to be selfish dps PCT has DRG/MNK level support what should MNK also have no support and be a selfish dps just like SAM? Same with NIN? Constant grouping of jobs together is how we go to the current terrible job design, if CBU3 didn't constantly subgroup everything SGE might have been an original healer instead of SCH two, every tank might not of become WAR.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

this isnt monster hunter world this is a very different game.

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oh really omg and I was thinking, how did you know that?

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Originally Posted by Tunda

oh really omg and I was thinking, how did you know that?

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Tunda you constantly beg for changes comparing the game to Monster Hunter and its dumb. If youre going to compare XIV to a game at least compare it to a game within its own genre not an action game.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Tunda you constantly beg for changes comparing the game to Monster Hunter and its dumb. If youre going to compare XIV to a game at least compare it to a game within its own genre not an action game.

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Say that to Yoshi P when he compare FFXIV with Ultima online which they both have different games.. and FFXIV isn't even close to Ultima online even if they both in same genre.
people are comparing FFXIV with old FF turned based games and there is no wrong in that.

From where do you think FFXIV PvP CC inspired from? WoW or other MMOs?
FFXIV PvP CC inspired by Moba games which is different genre.. you just don't know how there games been designed and you try to play smart..
educate yourself.

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Originally Posted by Tunda

Say that to Yoshi P when he compare FFXIV with Ultima online which they both have different games.. and FFXIV isn't even close to Ultima online even if they both in same genre.
people are comparing FFXIV with old FF turned based games and there is no wrong in that.

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Ultima Online is an MMORPG, Monster Hunter is an action game. Ultima is already a dumb comparision to this game but at least it has some similarities unlike monster hunter which is a boss fight action game, the only comparision between XIV and Monster hunter is they both have stats and boss fights. Theres no tabtarget combat in Monster Hunter last I checked.

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Originally Posted by Tunda

From where do you think FFXIV PvP CC inspired from? WoW or other MMOs?
FFXIV PvP CC inspired by Moba games which is different genre.. you just don't know how there games been designed and you try to play smart..
educate yourself.

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Cool, im talking about PVE. You wanna talk about PVP fine bring up MOBAs, cool thats what its designed to be like. PVE is nothing like PVP so stop trying to compare it to something its not.
Next time you say something dumb about adding monster hunter stories mechanics a pet turn based combat rpg into XIV try to remember that this game is not turnbased and has already had different damage types in ARR which failed miserablely.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Ultima Online is an MMORPG, Monster Hunter is an action game. Ultima is already a dumb comparision to this game but at least it has some similarities unlike monster hunter which is a boss fight action game, the only comparision between XIV and Monster hunter is they both have stats and boss fights. Theres no tabtarget combat in Monster Hunter last I checked.



Cool, im talking about PVE. You wanna talk about PVP fine bring up MOBAs, cool thats what its designed to be like. PVE is nothing like PVP so stop trying to compare it to something its not.
Next time you say something dumb about adding monster hunter stories mechanics a pet turn based combat rpg into XIV try to remember that this game is not turnbased and has already had different damage types in ARR which failed miserablely.

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You don't know what are you talking about
There are games from 2000s that play similar to ffxiv more than ultima online

ultima is top down mmo which way different if you compare it to FFXIV.. Monster hunter and ffxiv share similar class system based on weapon and share boss fight mechanics which is raids in ffxiv with extreme behumth and other boss fights

You just don't know what are you talking about.. addition to that you don't know what rpgs are.. .

Part of RPG element is attack type which is already in the game but has no use cases.. weather removing them or gice them functionality.

MMORPG is still RPG and it should have RPG elements..

Turn based RPG are RPG
Action RPG are RPG
MMORPG are RPG

Blaming system because bad execution in ARR isn't smart at all.. comparing developers from 2013 to 2024 they got way better than before

If you can't get it after this sorry but there is always room for improvement.

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

You don't know what are you talking about
There are games from 2000s that play similar to ffxiv more than ultima online

ultima is top down mmo which way different if you compare it to FFXIV.. Monster hunter and ffxiv share similar class system based on weapon and share boss fight mechanics which is raids in ffxiv with extreme behumth and other boss fights

You just don't know what are you talking about.. addition to that you don't know what rpgs are.. .

Part of RPG element is attack type which is already in the game but has no use cases.. weather removing them or gice them functionality.

MMORPG is still RPG and it should have RPG elements..

Turn based RPG are RPG
Action RPG are RPG
MMORPG are RPG

Blaming system because bad execution in ARR isn't smart at all.. comparing developers from 2013 to 2024 they got way better than before

If you can't get it after this sorry but there is always room for improvement.

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1. No monster hunter is nothing like FF14, early 2000s games are like XIV though considering it was the MMO boom at that time where everything was trying to be WOW. So yeah you're right about that.
2. RPGs are subdivided into multiple different subgenres because if everything thats labelled an RPG can be added to FF14 what are we going to add Assassins Creed Vallhalla stuff into XIV? Thats an RPG, what about Diablo thats an RPG. No its a dumb thing to say, take ideas from RPGs in the same subgenre for the PVE of XIV. For side content IDC make a monster hunter inspired gamemode, but its a trinity tab target MMO in its PVE so thats where it should take inspiration from.
3. ARR, WOW, GW2, Warhammer Online, etc. All tried elemental defenses and unique damage types, none of these games kept them, it doesn't work in an MMO stop trying to make it work.
4. ShB onwards has had the job design far worse than ARR-SB so yeah they aren't "way better" considering you just have to look at role forums to see everyone complaining about jobs, so no developers from 2013-2019 aren't better than 2019-2024 it seems like people find them to be worse.

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1. No monster hunter is nothing like FF14, early 2000s games are like XIV though considering it was the MMO boom at that time where everything was trying to be WOW. So yeah you're right about that.
2. RPGs are subdivided into multiple different subgenres because if everything thats labelled an RPG can be added to FF14 what are we going to add Assassins Creed Vallhalla stuff into XIV? Thats an RPG, what about Diablo thats an RPG. No its a dumb thing to say, take ideas from RPGs in the same subgenre for the PVE of XIV. For side content IDC make a monster hunter inspired gamemode, but its a trinity tab target MMO in its PVE so thats where it should take inspiration from.
3. ARR, WOW, GW2, Warhammer Online, etc. All tried elemental defenses and unique damage types, none of these games kept them, it doesn't work in an MMO stop trying to make it work.
4. ShB onwards has had the job design far worse than ARR-SB so yeah they aren't "way better" considering you just have to look at role forums to see everyone complaining about jobs, so no developers from 2013-2019 aren't better than 2019-2024 it seems like people find them to be worse.

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1- it is your opinion and I do not agree with it.
2- sorry but current FFXIV is barley an RPG with almost no elements that can be interacted during encounters and gear.
RPG elements are not only(wind,fire,water stone)
but stats that can lead to different builds and playstyles.
Monster hunter have gearsets which can change how you play the class.
Diablo 4/PoE give you different paths so you can build you class using RPG elements with these elements you can shift your playstyle.
I didn't play AC games before so I can't judge.

let's take an example in FFXIV : Stats are beyond braindead with nothing that matter other than crit which is bad design.. at least other RPGs can give you the options to take different routs to play the game.. that doesn't exist in FFXIV.. in summary FFXIV is MMORPG which is barely RPG game.

3- I didn't agree and didn't mention in any post that jobs should have element defensive weakness.. again read my post carefully before you judge.
4- when you narrow the gameplay of the jobs to the point where 90% of kit are the same for healers and tanks this is bad design.. before ShB FFXIV was trying to shape the game with good ideas but they failed in execution.. I believe developers learned a lot.. 11 years will teach you thing or two.
again good ideas bad execution we need to improve the execution not the idea.
not all ideas in ARR HW SB are good but some of them are and can be improved.
developers lost their vision for developing job design/encounters to just make things easier to balance.. while now we have healers are just a glam change with same kit.

On RPGs:

If you are making decisions about where to go, what to specialize towards, etc. in such a way as to feel immersed into that world and into your character, the game can be an role-playing game. Alternatively, even if you feel no personal connection to the character, but the view into the world is altered by their frame of reference as to playing as them rather than merely a them-skinned hand manipulating a gun or them-shaped obfuscation between your camera and whatever you're swinging at, that is a role-playing game. Because role-playing games are about... playing roles that are part and parcel with the world that you view through them and the personal experience of which you can change to some degree by altering or reframing that role.

There is no particular customization menu size after which a game is an RPG (let alone just an RPG) nor before which it must be sub-divided into something else. There is a degree of role-play (either through a self-made role or that of a significantly affecting perspective) that splits the difference, though.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

early 2000s games are like XIV though considering it was the MMO boom at that time where everything was trying to be WOW.

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Nitpick, but WoW itself didn't come out into the end of 2004 and didn't become any huge leader in popularity until 2005-2006, which is in the second half of the 2000s. And at least many of the competing MMOs in the remainder of that decade specifically tried to be distinct from WoW as to copy it.
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On Elemental/Many-Categoried Outputs:

Short Version -- They're bloat-enforcing rubbish.

Long Version -- Virtually all systems of elements or similar analytic damage types have been rubbish that requires more buttons for the same gameplay results as were possible without that bloat, generally ultimately simplifying gameplay while reducing the content one has full access to. That said, there are undermechanics that can comprise such types but are more universally interactable that can be of use to gameplay. I've yet to see a game handle "elements" or the like in that way, however, which leaves such system best suited only for commanding multiple units rather than being just one unit among many similarly singularly-controlled units, especially in games capable of smaller group sizes and random matchmaking.

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Originally Posted by Tunda

again good ideas bad execution we need to improve the execution not the idea.

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Outside of mechanical error (literally turning slightly faster or hitting harder than intended, etc.), execution ends up as such specifically because of what ideas went into it. Those ideas can be more integral or more overarching, but the only parts worth discussing are ideas. The rest is someone typing in a potency modifier wrong or slipping up somewhere in a coded procedure.

And, in many, many cases, the ideas were bad virtually all the way up, i.e., from the point they could be called the 'spirit' or even 'intent' of the idea that would trickle down into implementation. What replaced it hasn't always been better, but you'd have to remove every trace of what X system was from XIV to go far enough back to redeem the idea of, say, separating elemental from unaspected magic damage or of Fire/Frost/Lightning/Earth/Wind/Water Resistance.

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Originally Posted by BabyYoda

I don't think we need more oGCD to current monk design

It just need to be more inline with its identity as a striking...

Sharing same gear with no common gameplay is meaningless

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Why should all Strikers have to have the same gameplay any more than all Tanks or Healers should have to?

If anything, the tanks and healers should each be as distinct from each other as Monk and Samurai, Black Mage and Red Mage, etc. are from each other.

I see no issue with one Striker having a 87% GCD length, the other 80%, one having bankable oGCDs and the other oGCDs that need to be rushed out the very GCD they're generated, one having an extra GCD attached only to their freeform-weaponskills-CD and the other getting that value only indirectly, and so forth.