Stop Advertising Housing as a Feature

When it clearly isn't for the vast majority of the playerbase by your own design. And no, a tiny instanced box with no exterior customization does not count.

Agreed. There are less than 10 personal houses available on my server and with no auto-demolition, the lottery is all but guaranteed to stagnate completely. You cannot hope to advertise this feature and mislead people if there is simply no access. You'd think by now that they'd know their playerbase leans overwhelmingly in favor of personal housing over FC housing, and yet here we are singing the same song and dance as usual.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

And no, a tiny instanced box with no exterior customization does not count.

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Housing is broken, but why not until SE address it properly?

It's a start that will keep a roof over your head and let you put out some some of your clogged retainer stuff, while you grind out your progression.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Agreed. There are less than 10 personal houses available on my server

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Housing is broken and SE need to fix it, but you missed a few. There are 12, including one medium on Spriggan.

The Lavender Beds, Ward 20, Plot 27 (Medium)
The Goblet, Ward 21, Plot 23
The Goblet, Ward 21, Plot 27
The Goblet, Ward 21, Plot 54
The Goblet, Ward 22, Plot 53
The Goblet, Ward 23, Plot 14
The Goblet, Ward 24, Plot 7
The Goblet, Ward 24, Plot 39
Shirogane, Ward 22, Plot 53
Shirogane, Ward 23, Plot 51
Shirogane, Ward 24, Plot 4
Shirogane, Ward 24, Plot 21

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Housing is broken, but why not until SE address it properly?

It's a start that will keep a roof over your head and let you put out some some of your clogged retainer stuff, while you grind out your progression.

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How is housing broken? Because it is not! It is working as intended, you can maybe complain about the lack of housing, but that is pretty much it, but not broken.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Housing is broken, but why not until SE address it properly?

It's a start that will keep a roof over your head and let you put out some some of your clogged retainer stuff, while you grind out your progression.

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Well that would be fantastic if whole housing districts weren't completely sold out of apartments on my server. You cannot get one if you want to live in the Glade or Shirogane here, I imagine Mist is the same situation. Doubtless there are plenty left over in the despised Goblet and Ishgard apartments will eventually run out as well. This situation is going nowhere fast.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

How is housing broken? Because it is not! It is working as intended, you can maybe complain about the lack of housing, but that is pretty much it, but not broken.

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We will agree to disagree. My opinion is that housing is broken because people are clearly upset they can't get it easily.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Well that would be fantastic... You cannot get one if you want to live in the Glade or Shirogane here...

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Hey, I am on your side. However, this is a little bit precious. Make a start, and salve some of the hurt, empty your retainers a bit, and we will all keep pushing SE to make this situation better.

Housing is available to all players and has always been available to all players.
The game and it's staff have already long delivered on their promise that everyone has access to housing. But if it's primary ownership that you seek then you will be out of luck.
Fortunately, ownership is not required to participate in and enjoy housing to the fullest.

All housing from apartments to premium tier housing (with an actual house and lawn) and their features such as gardening and workshop are fully within reach and accessible through sharing for every player.

Examples:

- Having a friend who has a house and is willing to share is a great cost saver for you and you do not need to upkeep your own subscription.

- Finding a tight knit FC which is willing to allow you access to the extended features of an FC house is not difficult if you avoid every wholesale large FC advertising in town.

- People who are hiring a gardener, a decorator, even a workshop guru. There are house and FC owners who simply do not have time to focus on these things and would like to have someone do it for them.

Ultimately, the path to housing requires you to be social and make new friends. The very goal of housing in general as a bonus social feature. Nobody is truly gated or locked out of housing and it's offerings if you are willing to make friends and build trust with people in your community.

If you are unable or unwilling to do any or some form of the above examples, then you will be at the mercy of the lottery.

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Originally Posted by k99

Ultimately, the path to housing requires you to be social and make new friends. The very goal of housing in general as a bonus social feature. Nobody is truly gated or locked out of housing and it's offerings if you are willing to make friends and build trust with people in your community.

If you are unable or unwilling to do any or some form of the above examples, then you will be at the mercy of the lottery.

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If the overwhelming majority of players can only access housing through their FC or friends, then it's both an incredibly flawed system and entirely disingenuous to claim "housing and its offerings" are available to them. They weren't be able to decorate these houses because, naturally, the owner will want to put their own flair on it. You're essentially saying renting a room from someone is the same as owning the house itself because you both live under the same roof. One is not at all like the other.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

If the overwhelming majority of players can only access housing through their FC or friends,

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You forgetting apartments. Which despite their many flaws are a start.

It's better to have something while you try for a better option, than nothing.

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If the overwhelming majority of players can only access housing through their FC or friends, then it's both an incredibly flawed system and entirely disingenuous to claim "housing and its offerings" are available to them. They weren't be able to decorate these houses because, naturally, the owner will want to put their own flair on it. You're essentially saying renting a room from someone is the same as owning the house itself because you both live under the same roof. One is not at all like the other.

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There are apartments and FC rooms which provide access to most of the housing feature and even while not being an actual house, it's still housing. Anyone who really wants to decorate the actual house can do so through the mentioned social means. Just find a lonely house owner in the eternal bond thread and you get your house access for little bit of attention. There aren't enough houses for everyone, but through sharing anyone can access the whole feature if they really want to play with it.

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Originally Posted by k99

Housing is available to all players and has always been available to all players.
The game and it's staff have already long delivered on their promise that everyone has access to housing. But if it's primary ownership that you seek then you will be out of luck.
Fortunately, ownership is not required to participate in and enjoy housing to the fullest.

All housing from apartments to premium tier housing (with an actual house and lawn) and their features such as gardening and workshop are fully within reach and accessible through sharing for every player.

Examples:

- Having a friend who has a house and is willing to share is a great cost saver for you and you do not need to upkeep your own subscription.

- Finding a tight knit FC which is willing to allow you access to the extended features of an FC house is not difficult if you avoid every wholesale large FC advertising in town.

- People who are hiring a gardener, a decorator, even a workshop guru. There are house and FC owners who simply do not have time to focus on these things and would like to have someone do it for them.

Ultimately, the path to housing requires you to be social and make new friends. The very goal of housing in general as a bonus social feature. Nobody is truly gated or locked out of housing and it's offerings if you are willing to make friends and build trust with people in your community.

If you are unable or unwilling to do any or some form of the above examples, then you will be at the mercy of the lottery.

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"Just have friends bro lol lmao"

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Originally Posted by Archaell

There are apartments and FC rooms which provide access to most of the housing feature and even while not being an actual house, it's still housing. Anyone who really wants to decorate the actual house can do so through the mentioned social means. Just find a lonely house owner in the eternal bond thread and you get your house access for little bit of attention. There aren't enough houses for everyone, but through sharing anyone can access the whole feature if they really want to play with it.

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"Just go marry some random stranger with a house bro lol lmao"

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Originally Posted by Archaell

There are apartments and FC rooms which provide access to most of the housing feature and even while not being an actual house, it's still housing.

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Most? Really?

• All housing has stupidly low limits on placeables. Apartments get a massive (pfft) budget of 100.
• Cannot share an apartment with friends
• Cannot be used as a guild hall
• Cannot place outdoor decorations, which means...
• No access to plant cross-breeding
• No access to workshops or anything that depends on those

Apartments are the McGuffey Reader of housing.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

"Just have friends bro lol lmao"

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Oh well, that happens too. In the meantime, go snag your apartment so you have some housing, then use this list of Lamia plots to get your entry in for your first upgrade.

Mist, Ward 19, Plot 54 - 16 entries
Mist, Ward 20, Plot 12 - 18 entries
Mist, Ward 23, Plot 16 - 10 entries
The Goblet, Ward 19, Plot 57 - 4 entries
The Goblet, Ward 20, Plot 40 - 4 entries
The Goblet, Ward 22, Plot 44 - 11 entries
The Goblet, Ward 22, Plot 58 - 3 entries
Shirogane, Ward 20, Plot 59 - 34 entries
Shirogane, Ward 22, Plot 26 - 29 entries
Shirogane, Ward 22, Plot 57 - 35 entries

Those entry numbers will move, but if you wait until the last day then probably check out those Goblets and throw your hat in the ring, it will be your best chance, I'd say.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

"Just go marry some random stranger with a house bro lol lmao"

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Exactly like the real life. Anyways... being social is something you can do yourself inside of the current limitations while waiting in the lottery. I shared my houses before and was the tenant too - having someone else use the house with you is much better experience than rotting there alone with the hoarder capitalist beast.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Most? Really?

• All housing has stupidly low limits on placeables. Apartments get a massive (pfft) budget of 100.
• Cannot share an apartment with friends
• Cannot be used as a guild hall
• Cannot place outdoor decorations, which means...
• No access to plant cross-breeding
• No access to workshops or anything that depends on those

Apartments are the McGuffey Reader of housing.

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All the houses have issues with the item budget - especially mansions which is the best irony. Rest of the points can be done through FC houses and there are plenty of friendly FCs that would allow you to use the features.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Most? Really?

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Yes most.

Two on your list are FC items, and they are still a little easier to get than personals. As for the item limits, it's about the same as a small per floor.

That leaves sharing, cross breeding, and 20 outside items (small).

But stayin positive and not just seeing everything as hopeless - so much of the rest of housing needs are filled despite those 3 shortcomings. People need to stop turning their noses up at this option while they wait, and while we all keep pushing SE for something better.

One doesn't expect one's first RL house to be a southern mansion on 25 hectares of manicured lawn and a butler. Your first RL house is likely a sharehouse, or a single room in the worst part of town. And although the apartment does have those limits, if someone is truly keen on housing then it's better than being homeless while they work up to something better using progression.

If housing really is important to one there isn't any sense having blinkers on because apartments aren't perfect. They are something, and they do still fill a lot of the needs of housing - just not all.

SE need to look at this better, lottery has caused a real surge in unhappy people. And that's not good for anyone, us or them.

Ultimates are broken and should not be advertised.
They are just to hard and many people will never be able to clear them.
Why do they advertise a thing that not everyone can easy obtain?


Housing is not broken and it works as intended.
It was first intended for FCs only but they extended it to the player.
The lottery system was broken but now is fixed.
Is it good? I don't know, i have a house. But I know that many player wanted a system like that for years.

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Originally Posted by Archaell

There are apartments and FC rooms which provide access to most of the housing feature and even while not being an actual house, it's still housing. Anyone who really wants to decorate the actual house can do so through the mentioned social means. Just find a lonely house owner in the eternal bond thread and you get your house access for little bit of attention. There aren't enough houses for everyone, but through sharing anyone can access the whole feature if they really want to play with it.

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... you cannot be seriously suggesting someone essentially find a sugar daddy/mommy just to have housing access? If that doesn't highlight how incredibly flawed the whole system is, I don't know what else will. As for Apartments and FC rooms. They're little more than band-aid fixes which low item counts. At the end of the day, housing is being advertised to the masses but not even half the playerbase can get one. Other games will far less the budget and backing of Square Enix have done significantly better. People really need to stop making excuses for a shoddy system that should have been overhauled years ago.

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Originally Posted by Curisu

Ultimates are broken and should not be advertised.
They are just to hard and many people will never be able to clear them.
Why do they advertise a thing that not everyone can easy obtain?

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This is a Strawman. Ultimate is advertised only to the high end raid community and offers precisely what's advertised: extremely challenging battle content. Meanwhile, housing is advertised towards the general community at large and treated as a major feature for everyone to partake in. A better comparison is only the first 1,000 players will receive an Ultimate Weapon upon clearing. Or we can have a lottery among those who have cleared and they each get a chance between the four current Ultimate weapons. You can only claim one and once you have one, you can't get the others. I'm certain that would go over well. Put simply if you took this broken system and applied it to literally any other piece of content: Savage, Ultimate, Tome gear, EX Mount and so forth—all now having a limited restriction on how many players can actually obtain them, the backlash would be immense.

The housing system entire design is what's broken. Supply is so far off demand they'll never come close to reaching it and every solution they've come up with has been one band-aid after another. Like I said above, games with far less the budget of Square Enix have done comically better.

cam you provided sources to these housing adverts? Never seen them. Also look up what a strawman argument is.

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Originally Posted by PintyMcEars

cam you provided sources to these housing adverts? Never seen them. Also look up what a strawman argument is.

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probably they mean this one:
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/...7lwIOW_BR8.jpg

Funny thing is in German the Housing Parts states following:

"Build your home with Friends or alone. You can also decorate your own room"

Seems that the German translation is more appropriate then the English one if Square advertises Appartments as Housing :D

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Funny thing is in German the Housing Parts states following:

"Build your home with Friends or alone. You can also decorate your own room"

Seems that the German translation is more appropriate then the English one if Square advertises Appartments as Housing :D

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The Japanese is the same as the German there, mentioning decorating your room.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Well that would be fantastic if whole housing districts weren't completely sold out of apartments on my server. You cannot get one if you want to live in the Glade or Shirogane here, I imagine Mist is the same situation. Doubtless there are plenty left over in the despised Goblet and Ishgard apartments will eventually run out as well. This situation is going nowhere fast.

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Hopped on my Spriggan alt, picked Lavender Beds ward 17 at random and went to the Lily Hills subdivision apartment building. Only 27 of 90 apartments are occupied.

Went to the main ward as well just for giggles - only 40 out of 90 occupied.

There you go - two Glade apartment building waiting to help you. You're welcome.



Yes, the house situation is terrible. Few players like how it is. The housing situation in general is not. If people are going to talk about housing, not houses, they can't arbitrarily dismiss apartments.

Apartments are part of the housing system, If you complain about lack of housing when there is clearly housing available, it's easy for SE to dismiss player complaints as unwarranted and dramatic.

Let's focus on houses in that case.

Yesterday there was a topic in GD about trending FFXIV topics on Twitter. Perhaps players need to start a new trending topic.

#FFXIVhousesfixthesupply

No yeah I agree. To the people who say use apartments in the meantime, I say no! I do not want to. They feel like a bandaid, a waste of my gil (I am just an average players so I don't have all this gil to spare like some may!) It is a waste for me to get an apartment or an fc room only to not be able to store/use half the stuff that still bogs down my retainers and saddle bag.

Really hope they clear things up at the very least. I know the full fcs wards won't stay full fc wards, but it's one small issue in a sea of many. And sure, there's a lot of good things about housing! But that's not whats on all of our minds right now, especially when we cannot access it to begin with due to demand.

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To the people who say use apartments in the meantime, I say no! I do not want to.

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This statement reveals the true root of ballprince's complaints about FFXIV housing.
"I don't want to." That's the entire reason.

This game is rated 14+, but unfortunately, petulant children come in all ages.

I logged in to upvote this post despite being a happy house owner. Either give us proper instanced housing or open new wards when all the plots are taken! If any player wants a house, they should be able to get one without some silly RNG game! This is a supply & demand issue that can't be fixed with the lottery. Some people might not win a house for years.

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To the people who say use apartments in the meantime, I say no! I do not want to.

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Bit childish. And it makes me think that housing isn't as important to you, as much as the brag factor of a house.

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Originally Posted by ballprince

It is a waste for me to get an apartment or an fc room only to not be able to store/use half the stuff that still bogs down my retainers and saddle bag.

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Really, at level 90, the 500,000 for an apartment is nothing to obtain. The apartment too, as a stopgap housing while you wait on a house, will allow you to put out items in your retainers, and once you have that house, remains with you as a storage room for 130 indoor housing items. That's almost a retainers worth of indoor housing stuff you can store on it forever.

130 extra indoor furniture storage slots for a mere 500,000?

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Bit childish. And it makes me think that housing isn't as important to you, as much as the brag factor of a house.



Really, at level 90, the 500,000 for an apartment is nothing to obtain. The apartment too, as a stopgap housing while you wait on a house, will allow you to put out items in your retainers, and once you have that house, remains with you as a storage room for 130 indoor housing items. That's almost a retainers worth of indoor housing stuff you can store on it forever.

130 extra indoor furniture storage slots for a mere 500,000?

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What is worth it to you is not worth it to me. Sorry you disagree but it is simply Not Worth it to me* (edit). I don't know how else to say it.

Plus, how is it childish to not participate in a feature I think is a waste? I'm not forcing anyone else to do so, nor am I belittling others who do. For those it's enough for, I am genuinely glad. But for me there is no fulfillment in an apartment I am just going to leave behind. We will have to respectfully agree to disagree.

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No yeah I agree. To the people who say use apartments in the meantime, I say no! I do not want to. They feel like a bandaid, a waste of my gil (I am just an average players so I don't have all this gil to spare like some may!) It is a waste for me to get an apartment or an fc room only to not be able to store/use half the stuff that still bogs down my retainers and saddle bag.

Really hope they clear things up at the very least. I know the full fcs wards won't stay full fc wards, but it's one small issue in a sea of many. And sure, there's a lot of good things about housing! But that's not whats on all of our minds right now, especially when we cannot access it to begin with due to demand.

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It is your choice, not our problem
They are only offering you ideas, they are not responsible to make you happy

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

It is your choice, not our problem
They are only offering you ideas, they are not responsible to make you happy

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Why does everyone seem to think it is their problem? I'm not asking y'all for ideas or solutions. I am giving my opinion. I know that's a bit controversial.

I know it is my choice. It is also my choice to use these forums to express my discontent with the system, without inviting unasked for advice.

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Why does everyone seem to think it is their problem? I'm not asking y'all for ideas or solutions. I am giving my opinion. I know that's a bit controversial.

I know it is my choice. It is also my choice to use these forums to express my discontent with the system, without inviting unasked for advice.

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Speak it for yourself.
You post on a public forum and you owe to see opinions from opposite site.
If you only want to see words echoing your idea, then don’t post on public forum, express yourself in your linkshell
Is this concept difficult to understand?
Yin and Yang, there are people agree with you and there will be people disagree with you if you choose to go public express your thought

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Originally Posted by ballprince

It is also my choice to use these forums to express my discontent with the system, without inviting unasked for advice.

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You have no idea how online forums work, do you? Sheesh.

I suggest if you don't want people responding to your complaints, send them in an email to SE.
Or step outside and scream them at the sky.
Because if you post them here, in this public forum, you are inviting responses.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

You have no idea how online forums work, do you? Sheesh.

I suggest if you don't want people responding to your complaints, send them in an email to SE.
Or step outside and scream them at the sky.
Because if you post them here, in this public forum, you are inviting responses.

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I'd suggest you do the same, since you seem to be up and go about belittling people just simply using the forums. You following me across forum posts or something?

Have a nice night. <3

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Originally Posted by Curisu

Ultimates are broken and should not be advertised.
They are just to hard and many people will never be able to clear them.
Why do they advertise a thing that not everyone can easy obtain?


Housing is not broken and it works as intended.
It was first intended for FCs only but they extended it to the player.
The lottery system was broken but now is fixed.
Is it good? I don't know, i have a house. But I know that many player wanted a system like that for years.

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This is a flawed comparison, because with housing the scarcity actually makes it impossible for most people to have one, whereas with raiding the only limitation is your willingness to prog. There's not a hard lock on the number of people allowed to clear ultimate, but there is a hard lock on the number of homes left to purchase.
Actually, most of this thread's arguments against the OP are really poor ones. Which is no surprise. There's no adequate defense of this system. It should 100% not be advertised as a feature if it's going to be the crapshoot it currently is.

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It should 100% not be advertised as a feature if it's going to be the crapshoot it currently is.

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Like the OP, your dishonest rhetoric revolves around apartments not being housing.
They are housing, and anyone who wants one can easily get one.
Accordingly, SE can advertise housing.

Like the OP, your real complaint is that you can't get the prestigious hard-to-get house you want.
But that's nonsense: play it right and your odds of winning a house lottery are better than the odds of getting a rare mount drop from EW content. And when they turn auto-demolition back on, if you keep playing the lotteries, it is nearly certain you will eventually win. It's not even a big investment in time or gil: a few minutes a week, and you get your gil back if you don't win.

The problem seems to be that you, like the three-tries-and-I-quit OP, don't have the patience for this.
You want your prestigious house and you want it NOW.

Well too bad for you, that's not how this game works. This game gates prestige items, like the Resplendent tools and the Pteranodon mount, behind long grinds that take an enormous amount of time to do. If you aren't willing to do the grind, you don't deserve the prize.

And that's what houses are: prestige housing gated behind a potentially long grind.

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Originally Posted by ballprince

What is worth it to you is not worth it to me. Sorry you disagree but it is simply Not Worth it to me* (edit). I don't know how else to say it.

Plus, how is it childish to not participate in a feature I think is a waste? I'm not forcing anyone else to do so, nor am I belittling others who do. For those it's enough for, I am genuinely glad. But for me there is no fulfillment in an apartment I am just going to leave behind. We will have to respectfully agree to disagree.

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I can agree wit this statement. Apartments do not have enough space compared to house and do Lack features that house have. The sad part is that a lot of players wanted updates to the apartment but nothing happened.

For instance you cannot cross breed seeds for instance. With a house you can express more with more space

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Like the OP, your dishonest rhetoric revolves around apartments not being housing.
They are housing, and anyone who wants one can easily get one.
Accordingly, SE can advertise housing.

Like the OP, your real complaint is that you can't get the prestigious hard-to-get house you want.
But that's nonsense: play it right and your odds of winning a house lottery are better than the odds of getting a rare mount drop from EW content. And when they turn auto-demolition back on, if you keep playing the lotteries, it is nearly certain you will eventually win. It's not even a big investment in time or gil: a few minutes a week, and you get your gil back if you don't win.

The problem seems to be that you, like the three-tries-and-I-quit OP, don't have the patience for this.
You want your prestigious house and you want it NOW.

Well too bad for you, that's not how this game works. This game gates prestige items, like the Resplendent tools and the Pteranodon mount, behind long grinds that take an enormous amount of time to do. If you aren't willing to do the grind, you don't deserve the prize.

And that's what houses are: prestige housing gated behind a potentially long grind.

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The screenshot from the official site literally shows a picture of a HOUSE not an apartment for their "housing" advert.

And we've gone over the severe lack of features available to apartments vs houses.

And why should housing be prestige content? Why the hell can't anyone get one if they invest enough time?

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

The screenshot from the official site literally shows a picture of a HOUSE not an apartment for their "housing" advert.

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Are you saying that only that size and style of house shown in the picture counts as housing? Of course not. Only an idiot would think that the house shown in that picture was the only size and style of housing available.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

we've gone over the severe lack of features available to apartments vs houses.

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There's also a lack of features available to small house vs. larger ones, and of features available to personal houses vs. FC houses. That doesn't mean SE should make large houses with all the features of FC houses available to anyone who wants one.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

And why should housing be prestige content?

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Not all housing is, only houses.
Why is anything prestige content? Because even though it isn't necessary or even particularly advantageous to have it (e.g., prestige mounts), some people want it enough to work long and hard to get it?
Yep.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Why the hell can't anyone get one if they invest enough time?

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Anyone can. It's been seven years since I first started playing this game, and I believe that under the present system, if I keep trying to obtain a medium personal lot for the next seven years, I'll get one. Especially after all the impatient people give up.

But that's not what you want, is it? You want anyone to be able get not just housing but a house whenever they want. Sorry, but that's not how prestige contents works in this game.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

It is your choice, not our problem
They are only offering you ideas, they are not responsible to make you happy

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Just want to point out that Divinemights is the leader of a small FC with a large size house so I think they mean, "I got mine, so I don't see the problem."

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Originally Posted by Kitsu

Just want to point out that Divinemights is the leader of a small FC with a large size house so I think they mean, "I got mine, so I don't see the problem."

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Yes, many thanks to Lottery Worshipper that I finally able to obtain a large plot from small.
I am saying the same thing when I don’t have it
Doesn’t change the fact I didn’t complains about housing in my posting history from 2016
Do you want stalk me about my posts from PvP side too?