SE Please add jump and swiming

I would be in favor of adding jump if you used it twice in a row then your character would get insta-banned.

Jumping in-town would be insta-ban.

There could be an area where players could use unlimited jump. It could be called McEorzea Playplace.

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

i would also disagree with jumping to cancel a spell or action because thats very unatural. there are ways to cancel actions and commands now that work, however all ideas are welcome.
again, personal opinions here.

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This was exactly what SE intended to do. Not sure if you saw that thread.

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Originally Posted by Answa

She's not saying she doesn't want jump... she just says putting it now is a waste of resources. I agree with this. Stop nitpicking her posts and twisting her words just so you can keep fighting. The only difference I've seen between both of you is timeline.

Seriously, pointless fighting is... well, pointless.

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Actually, she is saying exactly that. Only reason it doesn't seem that way is because she tries so hard to change the subject matter in different directions with each and every post.

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Originally Posted by Answa

She's not saying she doesn't want jump... she just says putting it now is a waste of resources. I agree with this. Stop nitpicking her posts and twisting her words just so you can keep fighting. The only difference I've seen between both of you is timeline.

Seriously, pointless fighting is... well, pointless.

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Indeed, he's just really bent on thinking everyone is against it simply if they've played XI before or not adamantly pushing for it.

Anyone that actually knows me knows I love the hell out of FFXIII and wish they would have did to it what they did with VII, flesh it out in prequels and sequels (just not as MUCH as they did, but we're kind of thrown into a world which alone could spawn a prequel, for example a year or two prior to the events of XIII, or even back before Vanille and Fang were crystalized.)

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Originally Posted by Zaireeka2025

Actually, she is saying exactly that. Only reason it doesn't seem that way is because she tries so hard to change the subject matter in different directions with each and every post.

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Actually I'm not against jump, never have been. Simply because I play FFXI you assumed I was.

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Originally Posted by Zoltan

I would be in favor of adding jump if you used it twice in a row then your character would get insta-banned.

Jumping in-town would be insta-ban.

There could be an area where players could use unlimited jump. It could be called McEorzea Playplace.

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Ya and while we're in McEorzea jumping down from 2nd level areas and over fences, you'll be stuck running in place for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Answa

She's not saying she doesn't want jump... she just says putting it now is a waste of resources. I agree with this. Stop nitpicking her posts and twisting her words just so you can keep fighting. The only difference I've seen between both of you is timeline.

Seriously, pointless fighting is... well, pointless.

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If you want to see a waste of resources, look no further than the new Leviathan model.

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Originally Posted by Zoltan

I would be in favor of adding jump if you used it twice in a row then your character would get insta-banned.

Jumping in-town would be insta-ban.

There could be an area where players could use unlimited jump. It could be called McEorzea Playplace.

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Hmm sounds like McDonalds! Did your mom and dad take you there for a happy meal today?

I ask because what you wrote looked like it came from the mind of a 7 year old.

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Originally Posted by Nikita

Hmm sounds like McDonalds! Did your mom and take you there for a happy meal today?

I ask because what you wrote looked like it came from the mind of a 7 year old.

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No need to get personal for all we know he might actually be 7 yr old or something around that.

Why is it that whenever a new idea is posted on these forums people always start saying things like:

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This game doesn't need X. Go play another MMO if you miss it so much.

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Do you guys really want the already incredibly low population to become even lower? I was under the assumption that people here wanted the game to succeed? Isn't that why people are still playing and imputing new ideas?

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Originally Posted by Lavani

Why is it that whenever a new idea is posted on these forums people always start saying things like:


Do you guys really want the already incredibly low population to become even lower? I was under the assumption that people here wanted the game to succeed? Isn't that why people are still playing and imputing new ideas?

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That's why i call these people selfish. They don't care for the game's success but only for their own ambition. This is an example not saying it is only the FFXI fanboys, but some of these FFXI fanboys would rather see this game turned into what will please them and remind them of XI even if it means lowering any chances of it being successful or reaching SE's goals of making it mainstream and appeal to million of players around the world.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Actually I'm not against jump, never have been. Simply because I play FFXI you assumed I was.

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Well gee, if you would shut up about being so sensitive about your FFXI status, maybe I would be able to see that we actually agree. You argue with the jump community because you want to make a certain point. That point is that jump should be implemented correctly. WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING. So stop going against every little thing I say, cuz it goes both ways Jennestia Senior Moderator of FFXIVCore.com. Moderate yourself.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Well to start with, FFXIV and WOW or most MMORPG of today are more action then simply RPG. The whole action bar battle system is a far cry from the turn base menu select that most pure RPG use. Aion for one, i know uses the direction your in and movement to add to the battle elements, so you don't just stand there the whole time your fighting.

In Terra here, you can knock the boss down and attack him while he's laying there. It may not be much but it's something. I remember seeing a video in the early stages of the game where they were fighting a boss and using a chain to pull him down to the ground and then hit him. Don't know if that is still possible or if they removed it in the final version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKEhgMUhJS4

Blade and soul. The boss battle at the end of the video looks a lot more interactive then what most MMORPG do today. You don't just stand there and do a rotation of commands. You move around and use strategy and that has a lot more depth, fun and strategy to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rquc0...eature=related

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yeah i knew that FFXIV and WoW were more action then traditional rpgs, but i could tell from your proposal that you were taking about more action than is already implemented. the the terra online video reminded me of monster hunter, which i agree would add more in terms of battle mechanics. i wouldnt be against that, but i feel like jumping onto a monster would be alittle much. they do also plan on making more strategic boss battle by requiring that you attack specific parts of monsters also.
i was not able to see the second video, it seems its not available in the country im in o.O so i cant comment on that.
but if it were knocking down the enemy as shown in the terra video that would be cool, add alittle more strategy to the fights.

Final Fantasy XIII-2 may not be an MMORPG, but its still a turn-based Final Fantasy game. Jump doesn't look stupid in FFXIII-2 because SE knows how to incorporate jump properly in their games.

Funny how the so-called biggest FF fans dont trust SE to implement jumping properly.

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Originally Posted by Zaireeka2025

Well gee, if you would shut up about being so sensitive about your FFXI status

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Yet whenever jump is brought up the first thing people do is attack FFXI players. (just read the OP.) So of course I'll argue a point, since most arguments/suggestions for jump degrades into attacking FFXI players as a whole.

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That point is that jump should be implemented correctly. WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING.

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Exactly, yet I get called a 'FFXI conservative" and my stance made for me instead of putting aside the fact I play their other MMORPG which automaically means I must be against it? (Yet I have an active sub for 3 of the biggest MMOs that utilize jump in even combat >.>)

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

Funny how the so-called biggest FF fans dont trust SE to implement jumping properly.

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This is what boggles my mind with the Gravity Boots crowd.

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Originally Posted by XyonicS

Current FFXIV don't need to jump or swim, so no thinks. For 2.0, well we wait and see, I just hope they don't make jumps too silly and stick with the more realistic style, also with a cooldown of say 5-10 seconds between each jump, to stop the stupid flea hopping you see in other MMO's.
If I want to see that sort of thing I will go play WoW, was the most anoying thing about WoW, well other than the stupid PvP junkies trying to challenge you all the time to silly duels.

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Leave the level 5 quest hub and your problems are solved. People don't jump around like bunnies in WoW. This is an exaggeration that is used all the time and it's simply false. Some people jump a lot, but I never see people jumping non-stop for more than 20 seconds or so. I can jump in real life. You not wanting to see me jump doesn't mean I should have my kneecaps broken.

People really need to get over this, "I don't want to see it, so it shouldn't be in the game," attitude.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

We know that's not why but they polute these forums with their nostalgia and their wet dreams of a FFXI-2. We don't need this, XIV does not need to be a XI-2 and nothing good will come of it if it was.

I want this game, like everyone else minus the FFXI players, to be a HUGE SUCCESS. Meaning i want it to be WOW successful, and while i know we will probably never had the number of subscriptions WOW has, I'm still hoping this will become good enough to have 5 mil subscribers and more. The fan base and potential is there.

This is a MMORPG, and thus i want this to have as many people playing as possible. When i login, no matter what time, date or server i chose, i want to be no shortage of people i can play and share this new FF adventure with. As opposed to this becoming a niche with probably only FFXI's old fanbase of about 50k pple and that i waste hours just trying to find a good group to play with.

For this game to become that successful, it needs to please and attract as many people as possible and that will only be achieved by offering as many options, gameplay styles and pleasing as many gamer tastes as possible.

We can't achieve that goal by focusing on a group that is already small and who is already willing and playing that game. We can't achieve mainstream success by limiting ourselves by what we can do and offer. We need to give a little something for everyone. you want NM, FFXI features etc... sure... have them, but don't deny me what i want or what someone else wants and finds fun. By giving everyone something they enjoy we will make this a lot more appealing to the masses rather than by restricting ourselves to what 8 yr old game had to offer.

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Wow a truely awesome post. Its like my sig. and as my OP says FF11 players are killing this game. I hope SE understands this.

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As an FFXI player I find this post somewhat offensive and I'm sure that I'm not the only one.

I most certainly don't want FFXIV to be a clone of FFXI. In fact, when I first saw trailers for FFXIV I was very saddened because the races resemble each other so closely. I remember being disappointed and saying to my friends "I don't want to play an FFXI clone." Mind you, this was before there was much information on FFXIV. Clearly the two are not clones of each other and should never become as such.

However, please don't misunderstand. I often will make references to FFXI to prove a point. FFXI has given SE a lot of experience with MMO's that I think they should take a closer look at.

They should decide what worked for FFXI and see if they can apply a better concept of it for FFXIV. Which is what Yoshida is doing with other MMO's anyway.

Also, another thing we, FFXI players, do is point out some of the huge mistakes SE made with FFXI and how they fixed them, if they fixed them at all. We do this so that SE realizes these mistakes and doesn't repeat them with FFXIV.

That being said, please don't make blanket statements about FFXI players. I think it's more than a little unfair for you (and others) to say these things given the fact that FFXI players were among the first players in this game. Many of them are still here trying to do exactly what you're doing here, make FFXIV a great game in its own right.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Yet whenever jump is brought up the first thing people do is attack FFXI players. (just read the OP.) So of course I'll argue a point, since most arguments/suggestions for jump degrades into attacking FFXI players as a whole.

Exactly, yet I get called a 'FFXI conservative" and my stance made for me instead of putting aside the fact I play their other MMORPG which automaically means I must be against it? (Yet I have an active sub for 3 of the biggest MMOs that utilize jump in even combat >.>)

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You are unbelievable Jennestia.

Hear ye hear ye!! From now on everyone! Let us from now on refer to those that hate jump Gravity Boots people so Jennestia can STFU. Agree?

If there are better ideas of what to call this community please share them.

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

yeah i knew that FFXIV and WoW were more action then traditional rpgs, but i could tell from your proposal that you were taking about more action than is already implemented. the the terra online video reminded me of monster hunter, which i agree would add more in terms of battle mechanics. i wouldnt be against that, but i feel like jumping onto a monster would be alittle much. they do also plan on making more strategic boss battle by requiring that you attack specific parts of monsters also.
i was not able to see the second video, it seems its not available in the country im in o.O so i cant comment on that.
but if it were knocking down the enemy as shown in the terra video that would be cool, add alittle more strategy to the fights.

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The 2nd video didn't show knocking down but a Taru sized mage like character, running around the boss and shooting fireballs and spells from afar, while moving to avoid the boss' rolling attacks and fire breaths. That too could be compared to monster hunter, but just adding that sense of danger and trying to kite the boss and not just keeping your distance to avoid it's attacks but actually dodging these attacks looks really fun. I prefer just that simple touch to just standing there being hit on purpose and waiting for heals while i spam 1,2,3,4.

That type of gameplay was not possible 10 yrs ago with the engines we had and servers or the lower speed internet connection, but today the possibilities have increased by a lot and we should take advantage of it. These examples i gave don't do anything over the top but simple things like that make battling more fun.

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

Funny how the so-called biggest FF fans dont trust SE to implement jumping properly.

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It's not the implementation that worries me, it's the abuse that will come with it. The jumpers in WoW really turned me away from using jump in a fantasy mmo setting.

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Originally Posted by Shipp

Leave the level 5 quest hub and your problems are solved. People don't jump around like bunnies in WoW. This is an exaggeration that is used all the time and it's simply false. Some people jump a lot, but I never see people jumping non-stop for more than 20 seconds or so. I can jump in real life. You not wanting to see me jump doesn't mean I should have my kneecaps broken.

People really need to get over this, "I don't want to see it, so it shouldn't be in the game," attitude.

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THANK YOU Shipp!! This is exactly my experience with WoW and all other mmo's as well. Where the hell are these incessant jumpers?! If it was that annoying and immersion-breaking, then WoW would never have reached over 11 million subs.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Yet whenever jump is brought up the first thing people do is attack FFXI players. (just read the OP.) So of course I'll argue a point, since most arguments/suggestions for jump degrades into attacking FFXI players as a whole.



Exactly, yet I get called a 'FFXI conservative" and my stance made for me instead of putting aside the fact I play their other MMORPG which automaically means I must be against it? (Yet I have an active sub for 3 of the biggest MMOs that utilize jump in even combat >.>)

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Every single time, without fail, you get up on this freaking cross...

Nobody cares that you played some game from 2003. Get over it. No wonder people accuse you of being one of those damn FFXI players. It's clearly all you ever talk about.

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Originally Posted by Jigg

It's not the implementation that worries me, it's the abuse that will come with it. The jumpers in WoW really turned me away from using jump in a fantasy mmo setting.

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Do you have any idea how annoying I can be with or without jump...

I can cast spells on you, I can dismount/mount chocobo 100 times a minute (lag notwithstanding), I can run in circles around you, stand inside your Roegdayn body and play hide and seeek, /dance naked in front of you, /laugh and /chuckle spam you...

I mean, dear, the list goes on.

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

Every single time, without fail, you get up on this freaking cross...

Nobody cares that you played some game from 2003. Get over it. No wonder people accuse you of being one of those damn FFXI players. It's clearly all you ever talk about.

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You know what i'm wondering.. Jennestia say she plays WOW and other mmo that DO have jump... yet why does she if it's so annyoing, bunny like and abused so much? If i go on blizzard's forums now, will i see a thread from her begging to remove jump or does she actually have no problem with that feature in those games because they have no potential of becoming XI-2?

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

Nobody cares that you played some game from 2003.

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If no one cared what game they play, why do people of this community always blame the players of said 2002 game for holding it back?

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

You know what i'm wondering.. Jennestia say she plays WOW and other mmo that DO have jump... yet why does she if it's so annyoing, bunny like and abused so much?

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Because I never said it annoyed me or "breaks my immersion" like some others feel? lol it looks silly seeing ironclad people jumping like they're naked and free, but that doesn't make or break a game for me.

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

Do you have any idea how annoying I can be with or without jump...

I can cast spells on you, I can dismount/mount chocobo 100 times a minute (lag notwithstanding), I can run in circles around you, stand inside your Roegdayn body and play hide and seeek, /dance naked in front of you, /laugh and /chuckle spam you...

I mean, dear, the list goes on.

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I really like you. Keep at it.

One more thing i'd like to add. I played WOW for years and never came across anyone who had anything to say about jump. Never heard a single complaint from anyone. I mean if it was THAT bad then for sure some people would complain or request some form of fix/solution right? Yet i heard nothing since 2004.

Only when talking to FFXI veterans have i heard such complains and was very surprised and then they wonder why we target them. I'm wondering how many of those people actually did play WOW and which are just talking to talk.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Oh I have thought about it and perhaps irony isn't a good enough word for it.

Hypocrisy is much more poignant.

Spin, deflect, dodge, redefine and argue that "it's different here" 'til you're blue in the face. It is what it is. You're a hypocrite.

In the other thread, I set up a possible scenario where a given piece of rare gear, or at least two pieces of gear with the same stats but different looks - could be obtained in two possible ways. One way would be to do a difficult instanced battle, such as a hyper Ifrit type fight. The other way could be for rare world NM/HNM spawns to have a chance of dropping it. This way, those who enjoy doing instanced battles could have a shot at it, and people who enjoy hunting rare HNMs/NMs could have a shot at it. Neither piece would be superior or inferior to the other.

Such a setup would provide options to players. Not everyone enjoys doing instances. There are people who enjoy hunting and camping rare NMs (your "disbelief" of such a thing notwithstanding).

You, oh mighty Shipp on High, declared that no, those who might enjoy such an option should not be offered it, for no other reason than you don't like them. Your entire argument in that case is self-centered. It's all about you.

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I didn't say that, and you're flat out lying. I said I don't want to see HNMs as they were in XI. NOBODY is going to camp them after the newness wears off if you have to sit around between the 21-24 hour mark like XI, if that gear can be easily obtainable in an instance. It's common sense, and if you need proof, go look at XI.

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Oh you gave all sorts of reasons why you don't like them. But then, people in this thread have given all kinds of reasons - some quite valid and precedented - for feeling jumping isn't necessary or desirable in FFXIV. You've had an answer for them every time, haven't you? In fact, I could just copy and paste some of your myriad responses to people in this thread, and it would apply just as well to the HNM topic.

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Actually, I didn't. I said I did enjoy the social aspect of camping HNMs in XI. I said there won't be social aspects when 90% of the playerbase is doing the instance and you're the only shell going out into the world and waiting 3 hours to fight the same mob with the same drops.

Go ahead and copy and paste my previous responses. I flat out told you in the other thread you assume too much. YOU are the one who made it up in your mind that I didn't find HNMs enjoyable at all. YOU are the one that has made up much, of what I never said, in your own head. Go back and read my posts after I clarified my stance on the matter. Especially the part where I said I don't mind HNMs as world spawns as long as they do not have ridiculous windows that encourage botting. THAT is an aspect of the game that encourages hacking. Jumping is not. So even if I was a hypocrite and said HNMs shouldn't be in the game whatsoever, no world spawns, whatsoever, I would still have a point, because there is a valid reason as to why they damage the game in a much bigger way than someone just not wanting to look at someone else hopping. But I never claimed that, those are the words you decided to put in my mouth.

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For example, here's another one of your own statements turned against you:

"Adding jump takes nothing away from you, whatsoever. It does add to the enjoyment of a lot of other people though."

As applied to the other thread:
"Adding rare HNMs/NMs as an option to obtain certain gear takes nothing away from you, whatsoever. It does add to the enjoyment of a lot of other people though."

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And I have no problem with that. I do not want HNMs that are required to camp because of better rewards, nor do I want HNMs that have 3hour long windows.

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As long as you have the option to not hunt/camp the rare HNMs/NMs and have an alternative means of obtaining the item in question via an Instanced fight, then what does it matter to you that the option is there? It's not being forced on you. It's an option. So why are you so against it? Oh right... because Shipp doesn't like the idea of camping HNMs and can't fathom the idea that others actually would. I mean that is what you said in the other thread, with that appeal to incredulity you used as an actual argument.

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I killed every monster in the game, besides AV, by the time ToAU came out. I camped kings regularly. Again, assumptions from you which are 100% wrong.

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But of course, it's different in this case, isn't it, Shipp? Because you don't like the idea of HNMs/NMs, then it doesn't matter what others would enjoy, right? Because, it's all about you, isn't it.

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No, it's not different in this case. You just simply assumed I meant something I didn't and went off on this whole personal tirade that should have never left your head. YOU are the one who assumed I said things for a certain reason. YOU are the one who said I don't like HNMs. YOU are the one who said I don't like camping HNMs, which I later clarified for you since you only want to jump to assumptions.

YOU need to take a damn chill pill and stop assuming so much about a post. It's better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. You just did the latter in that thread, and this one.

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Shipp, there's no other way to describe it: You are a hypocrite.

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Your misinformed assumptions != reality. Don't blame me because you read my posts completely different than what was actually written in them.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

seeing ironclad people jumping like they're naked and free, but that doesn't make or break a game for me.

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If it doesn't break a game for you, and you proved it by actually playing games that are accused of abusing it, then why don't you just let it go? What are you even arguing about here? I'm in favor of jump so i'm giving my opinion. You on the other hand put a lot of effort into something you are neutral about, if either way doesn't bother you then you shouldn't even take part in the debate as which ever side wins you should be satisfied.

I'm against free jumping.
I'm for structured jumping.
I'm against free swimming.
I'm for level-designed swimming.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I'm against free jumping.
I'm for structured jumping.
I'm against free swimming.
I'm for level-designed swimming.

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You sound like a blast...

"Why, I dare say I much prefer structured fun. One can never have too many rules and structure in a video game, wot wot, pass the caviar, there's a good chap!"

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

You sound like a blast...

"Why, I dare say I much prefer structured fun. One can never have too many rules and structure in a video game, wot wot, pass the caviar, there's a good chap!"

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I laughed so hard, thank you for that lol. <3

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Originally Posted by Zaireeka2025

It's because she has nothing else better to do than to keep crying about being attacked. Yet she provokes it all day long. Even worse, she's got ppl defending her ridiculous posts and actually liking them.

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I suspect she has a 2n account which she uses to like her own posts and backup her arguments. :)

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I'm against free jumping.
I'm for structured jumping.
I'm against free swimming.
I'm for level-designed swimming.

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I'm for free jumping (especially with a jump-accommodated 2.0 redesign)
I'm fine with free or level-designed swimming... but what exactly does level-designed swimming really mean?

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

You sound like a blast...

"Why, I dare say I much prefer structured fun. One can never have too many rules and structure in a video game, wot wot, pass the caviar, there's a good chap!"

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Mmmm, quite.

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

You sound like a blast...

"Why, I dare say I much prefer structured fun. One can never have too many rules and structure in a video game, wot wot, pass the caviar, there's a good chap!"

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Laughed really hard at that one! LOL :D

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

How can you steer something into what it started out as? Just read this topic -- it started out by slandering FFXI players lol, you likely just chose to ignore it because you yourself also attack FFXI players.

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How can you attack people doing the same thing as you? Many of us who have made comments about XI players being too wrapped up in the past ALSO played and loved XI. It's the same thing as someone who likes anime calling a weeaboo a weeaboo. Just because you like anime does not make you a weeaboo. Pretending to be Japanese, being obsessed with the culture when you've only read about it, throwing "kawaii" out like a "baka" because you think it makes you sound cool... all of these things are defining traits of a weeaboo. People can have a genuine interest in Japanese culture and language and not be weeaboos. People who obsess about that culture when they generally only know it through video games and anime, but definitely have no 100% first-hand experience, are the weeaboos.

Most of us talking about XI players, are talking about the weeaboo counterparts. The ones who obsess over XI, thinking it was the perfect game and there were no aspects that should be changed at all. I loved XI, and I miss it pre-abyssea, and really pre-ToAU. However I left for a reason, and huge time sinks, a horrible economy, botting, and many other things were the cause of that. People complaining over a fully optional feature being added that is not hindering their own gameplay at all really have no valid argument besides, "Cuz I don't wanna."

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

You sound like a blast...

"Why, I dare say I much prefer structured fun. One can never have too many rules and structure in a video game, wot wot, pass the caviar, there's a good chap!"

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Loved it. LoL'd hard on that one.

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Originally Posted by Nikita

I laughed so hard, thank you for that lol. <3

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This, I <3 that post.