Was any of the 6.3 content worth waiting 4 months for?

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

Sounds like a few people are asking for a mandatory log in every day to grind currency or fall behind system, you know one of the things people complained most about in WoW. No MMO has content that is new and fresh that occupies every minute of every players times between patches or expansions, it's just the nature of the genre. Content always takes longer to create than to consume.

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No, I'm asking for something that I can log in to do every day if I so wish. You do not fall behind by not participating in Eureka or Bozja because there are other ways to get the weapons and gear you need.

In 4.25 I could log in to Eureka and chase after a variety of weapons and dyeable job gear. I had a zone to level through, and fates that aren't exactly pushovers if you don't pay attention, distinguishing them from overworld fate grinds.

In 5.25 we got...an EX trial that dropped the dyeable job gear which was a nuissance since I couldn't just jump in at my leisure, and the weapon was a tome grind, which was also criticized as laughably easy back then.

In 6.25 we got less than that. No armor equivalent, and the weapons being a tome grind again plus the loss of the ex Trial. In its place we got the flop that was Criterion and a trenchcoat no one wanted.

They've proven they can release Exploratory Content by the .25 patch, and I would like to see a return to doing so in 7.X. And with a Deep Dungeon in the .35 patch as well. Hold SE to a higher standard. Again, and I will repeat this until some people get the message: you lose nothing from them doing a better job.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Well I woopsed the patch number but no matter considering we already know we aren't getting an Relic Zone this expansion anyway. And I re-read the post and I don't see how you could interpret it as "since Stormblood". I think the point was more that they were able to do relic zones multiple expansions ago when they would presumably have less resources to work with.

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We have no idea if it's a question of willingness or not. For all we know they didn't want to do a zone this time. We're getting a deep dungeon still and I'm all for it. Me n my fc mates are already making group plans. I can live without yet another zone for the 3rd time in a row. If they bring zones back make it more engaging akin to Eureka

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

No, I'm asking for something that I can log in to do every day if I so wish. You do not fall behind by not participating in Eureka or Bozja because there are other ways to get the weapons and gear you need.

In 4.25 I could log in to Eureka and chase after a variety of weapons and dyeable job gear. I had a zone to level through, and fates that aren't exactly pushovers if you don't pay attention, distinguishing them from overworld fate grinds.

In 5.25 we got...an EX trial that dropped the dyeable job gear which was a nuissance since I couldn't just jump in at my leisure, and the weapon was a tome grind, which was also criticized as laughably easy back then.

In 6.25 we got less than that. No armor equivalent, and the weapons being a tome grind again plus the loss of the ex Trial. In its place we got the flop that was Criterion and a trenchcoat no one wanted.

They've proven they can release Exploratory Content by the .25 patch, and I would like to see a return to doing so in 7.X. And with a Deep Dungeon in the .35 patch as well. Hold SE to a higher standard. Again, and I will repeat this until some people get the message: you lose nothing from them doing a better job.

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Most people realistically only had the patience to work on one relic weapon and go through the zone progression which like I said, rushers like myself blazed through ONE ZONE less than a week. The content was in and out. Granted this never meant that it died out as fast as Criterion because of better rewards but the exploratory zones didnt retain players as well as you think they did.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Well I woopsed the patch number but no matter considering we already know we aren't getting an Relic Zone this expansion anyway. And I re-read the post and I don't see how you could interpret it as "since Stormblood". I think the point was more that they were able to do relic zones multiple expansions ago when they would presumably have less resources to work with.

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Thats not what he typed. If thats what he meant, thats what he should have said.
Not type something wrong and expect everyone to somehow know what he 'meant' to say

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Most people realistically only had the patience to work on one relic weapon and go through the zone progression which like I said, rushers like myself blazed through ONE ZONE less than a week. The content was in and out. Granted this never meant that it died out as fast as Criterion because of better rewards but the exploratory zones didnt retain players as well as you think they did.

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"But I like it, therefor that means its good. If I dont like it, that means its bad, even if many other people like it."

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

you lose nothing from them doing a better job.

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They only lose one thing: They have to admit that SE might not be currently doing a perfect job. If SE can do better, that means they're not doing their best now, and the thought of that is anathema to their core beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

They never were, and I dont think anyone ever claimed they did.

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Of course they aren't doing their best, although some people love to pretend otherwise.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

We have no idea if it's a question of willingness or not. For all we know they didn't want to do a zone this time. We're getting a deep dungeon still and I'm all for it. Me n my fc mates are already making group plans. I can live without yet another zone for the 3rd time in a row. If they bring zones back make it more engaging akin to Eureka

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But they didn't do a zone this time, and didn't do anything equivalent to a zone. They have more resources, but we get less content. How is that any kind of acceptable?

Edit: I also want to point out that in Stormblood, they did a Relic Zone, a Deep Dungeon, AND a trial series. Now we only get one of those things at a time, apparently.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

They only lose one thing: They have to admit that SE might not be currently doing a perfect job. If SE can do better, that means they're not doing their best now, and the thought of that is anathema to their core beliefs.

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They never were, and I dont think anyone ever claimed they did.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

They never were, and I dont think anyone ever claimed they did.

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Some people realy don't like that being questioned though. I think the rest can at least admit that SE isn't currently doing the best job they likely can, otherwise people wouldn't be complaining for stuff since... what, BLU? Eureka Anemos...? Early SB in terms of plot and writing? Regardless of whether they are enjoying themselves regardless.

It should be fine to say "I like this, but it's got flaws I'd like to see fixed"... but because of people like how Awesome described who do react like it's anathema to their beliefs, not even that's allowed sometimes. Not without those people being called toxic and "doing nothing but hate the game". It's certainly been the case in some past threads...

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

They never were, and I dont think anyone ever claimed they did.

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No, people like AwesomeJr and Aveyon live in a fantasy world where they believe that anyone who criticizes their criticism somehow believes that they're nothing but zealots and believe that SE can do no wrong. Which means everything I ever said was in favor of that idea and that all my criticisms of the game were just somehow actually pats on the back for the team's perfection.

These people believe in the "either you're with me, or against me" crowd and never believe that people who enjoy or dont agree on their feedback actually can also criticize other things in this game and leave it at such. Its always the white knight label or the hater label.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Some people realy don't like that being questioned though. I think the rest can at least admit that SE isn't currently doing the best job they likely can, otherwise people wouldn't be complaining for stuff since... what, BLU? Eureka Anemos...? Early SB in terms of plot and writing? Regardless of whether they are enjoying themselves regardless.

It should be fine to say "I like this, but it's got flaws I'd like to see fixed"... but because of people like how Awesome described who do react like it's anathema to their beliefs, not even that's allowed sometimes. Not without those people being called toxic and "doing nothing but hate the game". It's certainly been the case in some past threads...

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I mean...Awesome is the same person who is seemingly has issues with any time someone pushes back against pushback. You can't tell folks who have issues that there aren't any in your opinion without them labeling you as something. We've seen it 100 times here already.

You can even say that the game has flaws but if you push back against pushback you're labeled a white knight etc. regardless

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

It's likely female Hrothgar and the graphical upgrade that is taking their time. Remember, it's not just characters getting a graphical upgrade in all likelihood, but EVERYTHING in the game, including old dungeons. That's going to require almost all hands on deck.

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Well, to be fully honest. Arent they getting a new people in their dev team? Those reworks of old content are probably done mainly by those new devs.

Also, FF14 grows. We all want it to grow. but that also means, their team shoould grow and they should expand the game to new possibilities. People are never mad at the game because they want to. They love it and want it to be sucesfull and spend every time in it. Its more pressure on the devs, but you cant ever say No to your players.

When people are against even the basic idea of adding more content to a game, I think there's grounds for saying that there's either some level of zealotry going on or that people's standards are way too low. The fact that some people want to be told to not play the game they're paying for is mind-boggling.

There are enough people around in the community that do genuinely espouse the idea of SE being clean and pure as the wind-driven snow that it makes the more moderate crowd less noticeable, particularly with how positively vitriolic some of them can become in their defense of the company and game. People tend to focus on negative experiences, and I'd say some of the less-than-kind things said to and actions directed toward individuals bringing forth criticisms of the game more than qualify.

For example; you will occasionally see mention on these forums of people being harassed in-game and on other media for criticisms of the game. When brought up, these instances are typically dismissed as being fictional. Such dismissals will occur regardless of the presence of absence of evidence, corroboration by others, etc. This is a thing that can and does happen more often than it should (and the amount it should happen is 0), and the people perpetrating it don't always get their due punishment.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

When people are against even the basic idea of adding more content to a game, I think there's grounds for saying that there's either some level of zealotry going on or that people's standards are way too low. The fact that some people want to be told to not play the game they're paying for is mind-boggling.

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Never have I once seen someone say they "want" to be told to play something else...
I've only seen people say that they like that xiv allows them to play what they want without fear of falling behind.

You know what's more mind boggling? People paying for a game they do nothing but complain about at every turn. All that does is tell the devs it's ok to do whatever you feel they're doing wrong.

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

Well, to be fully honest. Arent they getting a new people in their dev team? Those reworks of old content are probably done mainly by those new devs.

Also, FF14 grows. We all want it to grow. but that also means, their team shoould grow and they should expand the game to new possibilities. People are never mad at the game because they want to. They love it and want it to be sucesfull and spend every time in it. Its more pressure on the devs, but you cant ever say No to your players.

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The ones that SE "borrowed" for XVI is slowly moving back to XIV I would assume since 16 is getting close to being complete. Hopefully they will have something to show by 7.0 but putting hope in a large company has rarely been a good move, lol.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

You know what's more mind boggling? People paying for a game they do nothing but complain about at every turn. All that does is tell the devs it's ok to do whatever you feel they're doing wrong.

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Who says you can't do both? Besides, I though the devs stopped putting stock into the forums a long time ago, lmao.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

It's likely female Hrothgar and the graphical upgrade that is taking their time. Remember, it's not just characters getting a graphical upgrade in all likelihood, but EVERYTHING in the game, including old dungeons. That's going to require almost all hands on deck.

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Yep yep. It's why I said "they're working on content for the future, which needs a lot of work than the features we have now". Graphical updates are NO freaking joke x_x

But it is weird. I don't know how much of their time is being taken. But... and this is obviously purely subjective and all that. It just feels like the stuff we're getting is kind of... half-arsed? Like, it's coming out a bit more barebones than usual. Ears being cut off, plots being glitched, content being rather barebones and simplistic. And I wonder if something happened.

Again: this is disproven easily by anyone with more knowledge than I. As well as how the majority of this is based entirely on "me feeling like the quality is dodgy". Didn't Yoshida do a presentation on what their workflow is being like and what stuff requires the most time? It'd easily disprove a lot of it, I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

When people are against even the basic idea of adding more content to a game, I think there's grounds for saying that there's either some level of zealotry going on or that people's standards are way too low. The fact that some people want to be told to not play the game they're paying for is mind-boggling.

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and yet you're missing the entire point of the argument. Nobody is saying we dont want new content, just that some of the ideas you and aveyond throw around arent very good for what should or should be considered "good retention content". The point is we want to avoid crappy grinds for the sake of grinds. There's also the argument that no single content is everlasting and fulfilling enough to keep you entertained for the whole patch duration. That in of itself is a myth as people finish up whatever new activity of the week is and go back to do old content, play with friends or just spend their time elsewhere.

What you're debating for is not new content, its for lasting content that involves needless grinds. Lets be honest here awesomeJr, you're not fooling anyone with this.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

IS is a nice location to just go and be somewhere with myself and my thoughts. Has nothing to do with content. Folks I know spend most of their days in there, what they're doing exactly all the time I can't say. Really don't get your point.

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So its just AFKing area. Nothing bad with that. But dont be mad that some other folks see it as just solo Limsa and take it as a wasted resourcess. Because if IS is the reason there is no Bozja this expac, then people are ofc not happy.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Next you definition of game reading is much different I see. Also is that whole "you will never see that many buffs" some sort of odd jab at me or something? Lol

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Dunno. Is it? Because I only see that to you, its not gamebreaking. I didnt said you not seeing that many buffs is bad. 99% of people will not. Most of the savage raiders will not. But the bug is there and it is gamebreaking, even for only that small minority of people.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Next uhh what does ff7 have to do with ff14?

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Meant 7.0 update. My bad

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

Sounds like a few people are asking for a mandatory log in every day to grind currency or fall behind system, you know one of the things people complained most about in WoW. No MMO has content that is new and fresh that occupies every minute of every players times between patches or expansions, it's just the nature of the genre. Content always takes longer to create than to consume.

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Really well done. How to misinterpret something on purpose is a skill you 100% have.

And yet quite a few of us would be perfectly happy with a new (non-Pagos) Eureka-level grind.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

The ones that SE "borrowed" for XVI is slowly moving back to XIV I would assume since 16 is getting close to being complete. Hopefully they will have something to show by 7.0 but putting hope in a large company has rarely been a good move, lol.



Who says you can't do both? Besides, I though the devs stopped putting stock into the forums a long time ago, lmao.

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Do both? No clue what that means exactly. But I'll bite.
If a fast food joint has lowered the quality of their foods to a level you personally dislike, you wouldnt continue to buy food from them. Losing customers is what makes companies move. If you're writing bad reviews but still going there every day (making this known) they don't care as they're still getting your money. They've no reason to change anything. That's my point. So yes you can complain and still stay subbed, just understand that it's not going to be as effective doing that.

ARR came about due to people leaving 1.0. Just sayin

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

When people are against even the basic idea of adding more content to a game,

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When was this said? My goodness, Id love a freaking link and/or a screenshot to these claims. Maybe I missed it since there are SO many threads here, but I keep seeing these claims but I never see it in action. Im not saying it doesnt exist, but I would love to request if yall could add a Link to prove this is a thing, because who here on this thread ever said this?
Oh its on another thread, please a link.
Just so I know you arnt making it up out of thin air, for some unknown & weird reason.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

The fact that some people want to be told to not play the game they're paying for is mind-boggling.

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Its a suggestion......other games exist y'know, you also paid for those games. (unless they literally were free)
I hope nobody has forgotten that you can do other things in life lol.
Never be afraid to, and always voice your opinion and concern.....but its pretty unhealthy to just do that "all the time" Sure you can argue that if you still ahve complaints, then there is still issues...but not everyone shares that mindset, some people like what you dont like and Vice Versa.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

you will occasionally see mention on these forums of people being harassed in-game and on other media for criticisms of the game. When brought up, these instances are typically dismissed as being fictional. Such dismissals will occur regardless of the presence of absence of evidence

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Such as....?
I mean again, maybe I just missed it since there are so many threads, and Im not gonna keep up with every single topic...thats just not realistic.
But it also just sounds wrong that any form of Harassment is just 'waved off' especially with proof and evidence.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

What you're debating for is not new content, its for lasting content that involves needless grinds. Lets be honest here awesomeJr, you're not fooling anyone with this.

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You haven't read even the first few pages of the thread if you genuinely think this (which I doubt most of you actually do). I've specifically mentioned that I don't want 'hellgrinds' as it's been named previously. Unending grinds is the opposite extreme of what we have now. I'm not calling for FFXIV to be hurtled into that extreme, but rather go somewhere in the middle. Sadly it seems like anytime anyone asks for that, they are misinterpreted (intentionally or not) to be asking for 'hellgrinds'. People are too scared to admit/realize that we're at the opposite extreme of WoW, and that both extremes are bad.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...bfb96e22f7.jpg

(middle is meant to say "lasting non-required content for those who want it. It's really late here and I'm half asleep LOL)

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

When was this said? My goodness, Id love a freaking link and/or a screenshot to these claims.

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When this very thread was created, there were near instantly people arguing that you're supposed to not play the game you're paying for outside of 'major patches'. (in quotes because calling 6.3 a major patch is hilarious).

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

Really well done. How to misinterpret something on purpose is a skill you 100% have.

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It's a skill that's becoming more and more common around these parts.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Do both? No clue what that means exactly. But I'll bite.
If a fast food joint has lowered the quality of their foods to a level you personally dislike, you wouldnt continue to buy food from them. Losing customers is what makes companies move. If you're writing bad reviews but still going there every day (making this known) they don't care as they're still getting your money. They've no reason to change anything. That's my point. So yes you can complain and still stay subbed, just understand that it's not going to be as effective doing that.

ARR came about due to people leaving 1.0. Just sayin

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You know you can still enjoy something while pointing out their shortcomings, especially when they have done better in the past. For example, why lock out viera and hrothgar helms by citing clipping? Half of the modern gearsets that they release clip like a bad doom mod as soon as you move so why use that excuse? Come on, you gotta do better than "Just unsub, hater!". That sort player mentality killed WoW and other MMOs in the past. Though considering how people are, we sure do love to repeat history, lmao.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Yep yep. It's why I said "they're working on content for the future, which needs a lot of work than the features we have now". Graphical updates are NO freaking joke x_x

But it is weird. I don't know how much of their time is being taken. But... and this is obviously purely subjective and all that. It just feels like the stuff we're getting is kind of... half-arsed? Like, it's coming out a bit more barebones than usual. Ears being cut off, plots being glitched, content being rather barebones and simplistic. And I wonder if something happened.

Again: this is disproven easily by anyone with more knowledge than I. As well as how the majority of this is based entirely on "me feeling like the quality is dodgy". Didn't Yoshida do a presentation on what their workflow is being like and what stuff requires the most time? It'd easily disprove a lot of it, I'm sure.

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As Roabolic pointed out, they likely borrowed people who worked on FF14 to work on FF16. As I recall, the writer for FF16 is the same writer who gave us Heavensward, and I don't doubt that other devs were also taken from FF14 to help get FF16 up and running. There's a good possibility that we'll be seeing more stuff once FF16 is out the door. Hopefully there will be 0 DLC for FF16 just to guarantee it.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I mean...Awesome is the same person who is seemingly has issues with any time someone pushes back against pushback. You can't tell folks who have issues that there aren't any in your opinion without them labeling you as something. We've seen it 100 times here already.

You can even say that the game has flaws but if you push back against pushback you're labeled a white knight etc. regardless

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Oh that I know. I've been jumped on by Awesome before. It's not very awesome of them to do so.

On that post I was referring to Zanarkand saying that "no one ever claimed [that SE cannot go wrong at all, whatsoever]". Which from experience... yes there are people who do that. Imagine a spectrum: They are on one end and call people white knights, and those people are on the other end and call others toxic. Both sides will push and label.

It was toward Zanarkand specifically, on that other polar opposite existing. Because I too have been called toxic for simply saying "You can at least consider Square Enix isn't doing a satisfying job here" x,x

I otherwise am very much aware of this.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

As Roabolic pointed out, they likely borrowed people who worked on FF14 to work on FF16. As I recall, the writer for FF16 is the same writer who gave us Heavensward, and I don't doubt that other devs were also taken from FF14 to help get FF16 up and running. There's a good possibility that we'll be seeing more stuff once FF16 is out the door. Hopefully there will be 0 DLC for FF16 just to guarantee it.

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I assume this is true. My only issue with it is that I'd be okay with it if they didn't tell us "Oh everything's going well despite that!" when we've been shown otherwise.

Still. When 16 comes out and all's done, we'll see how FF14 progresses. Assuming the majority does return :x SE has the tendency to ship people to other departments sometimes, like the person who was going to do Carbuncle Glamours.

As for DLC... a standalone triple A game? ...you can bet your sweet bippy that's getting monetization tactics.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Hopefully there will be 0 DLC for FF16 just to guarantee it.

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I would like to think that's the case, but I seriously doubt SE has the willpower for that, lmao.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

When this very thread was created, there were near instantly people arguing that you're supposed to not play the game you're paying for outside of 'major patches'. (in quotes because calling 6.3 a major patch is hilarious).

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

You haven't read even the first few pages of the thread if you genuinely think this (which I doubt most of you actually do). I've specifically mentioned that I don't want 'hellgrinds' as it's been named previously. Unending grinds is the opposite extreme of what we have now. I'm not calling for FFXIV to be hurtled into that extreme, but rather go somewhere in the middle. Sadly it seems like anytime anyone asks for that, they are misinterpreted (intentionally or not) to be asking for 'hellgrinds'. People are too scared to admit/realize that we're at the opposite extreme of WoW, and that both extremes are bad.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...bfb96e22f7.jpg

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Yet this graph isnt realistic. Please for the love of the Twelve tell me where ANY player realistically felt satisfied with a piece of content that lasted and kept that retention for the "sweet spot" of retention you place here. Everyone I interacted, everyone whom I known in other MMOs have either min-max the content to finish it early or do it long enough to lose interest and move on to something else. Every piece of content in this game including relics never last long enough to pad out the patch cycle. It has always been a get your fill and come back later scenario. Why are we pretending it wasnt always like this?

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

You know you can still enjoy something while pointing out their shortcomings, especially when they have done better in the past. For example, why lock out viera and hrothgar helms by citing clipping? Half of the modern gearsets that they release clip like a bad doom mod as soon as you move so why use that excuse? Come on, you gotta do better than "Just unsub, hater!". That sort player mentality killed WoW and other MMOs in the past. Though considering how people are, we sure do love to repeat history, lmao.

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Ok...I wanted to believe you were paying attention but it's clear here you aren't. First off I specifically mentioned folk who complain all the time. You know the ones that say the game is dead, dying, boring? Not the average player that has some grievances. I've never ONCE called anyone a hater. All I did was simply give some advice to said EXTREME side if they want to be heard by the devs. No where near a "just unsub hater"...this is exactly what I was referring to btw. Yall hop to these conclusions any time someone says something you don't like. I'm trying to help. Literally that was my only goal with that post...

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yet this graph isnt realistic. Please for the love of the Twelve tell me where ANY player realistically felt satisfied with a piece of content that lasted and kept that retention for the "sweet spot" of retention you place here. Everyone I interacted, everyone whom I known in other MMOs have either min-max the content to finish it early or do it long enough to lose interest and move on to something else. Every piece of content in this game including relics never last long enough to pad out the patch cycle. It has always been a get your fill and come back later scenario. Why are we pretending it wasnt always like this?

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Bouncing off of this....once again...saying this for the 3rd time...maybe I just missed it since there is so many threads here.
But...what kind of Content are you asking for, that would realistically fill this "Lasting Content"? If the solution is to just make more content, then the sacrifice is we'd have to wait EVEN LONGER for the next patch so they could make this 'Lasting Content'.
And lets humor the idea that this is what they do.....who is to say that you wont somehow blast through it all in a Short amount of time because likely you decided not to do anythng else but play all the games new content?
Guess what...Back to squareone, complaining there isnt any/enough content, and now you have to wait...god who knows how long. But there is a solution to this...one that you claim you arnt asking for, but its the only way TO make "Lasting Content"...a ridiculous and dumb Hellgrind.This is the only way to pad out content to last. And not everybody wants this.

The next complain will be "The Grind is too much, Nerf it"
And guess what this means?...Absolutely, nothing, got solved.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Ok...I wanted to believe you were paying attention but it's clear here you aren't. First off I specifically mentioned folk who complain all the time. You know the ones that say the game is dead, dying, boring? Not the average player that has some grievances. I've never ONCE called anyone a hater. All I did was simply give some advice to said EXTREME side if they want to be heard by the devs. No where near a "just unsub hater"...this is exactly what I was referring to btw. Yall hop to these conclusions any time someone says something you don't like. I'm trying to help. Literally that was my only goal with that post...

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You are right in the sense that money talks. However, when people are more than happy to engage in a product that is showing lethargy through slimmer patches and leaning harder and harder on a cash shop in a game where you already pay for a subscription then even if you leave, the rot has already set in. In WoW terms it feels like ShB was their WotLK and EW feels more and more like Panderia as the patches go on.
"they don't care as they're still getting your money. They've no reason to change anything. That's my point. So yes you can complain and still stay subbed, just understand that it's not going to be as effective doing that."
And here is where the argument falls apart, sure some may leave due to the decline but there are plenty more ready to pay the subscription AND engage with the mogshop. Suddenly those people leaving won't matter to SE's bottom line. Besides, are you really going to cite SE's business practices as smart? If that's the case then I can't wait for the eventual NFT malarkey in XIV. That's is going to be a glorious ____show! lol

MoP was awesome though. EW feels more like a WoD.

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Originally Posted by hobostew

MoP was awesome though. EW feels more like a WoD.

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WoD eh? What if... there was a small garrison in your island sanctuary?

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You are right in the sense that money talks. However, when people are more than happy to engage in a product that is showing lethargy through slimmer patches and leaning harder and harder on a cash shop in a game where you already pay for a subscription then even if you leave, the rot has already set in. In WoW terms it feels like ShB was their WotLK and EW feels more and more like Panderia as the patches go on.
"they don't care as they're still getting your money. They've no reason to change anything. That's my point. So yes you can complain and still stay subbed, just understand that it's not going to be as effective doing that."
And here is where the argument falls apart, sure some may leave due to the decline but there are plenty more ready to pay the subscription AND engage with the mogshop. Suddenly those people leaving won't matter to SE's bottom line. Besides, are you really going to cite SE's business practices as smart? If that's the case then I can't wait for the eventual NFT malarkey in XIV. That's is going to be a glorious ____show! lol

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Then all I'll say is complain to your hearts content. Just don't expect people (SE included) to take you seriously if you're constantly throwing money at it despite saying the game it trash, boring etc. I personally drop games I'm not having fun in after I've said my piece. I left Vindictus like that for example. I'm not spending my money on a product I'm not enjoying, point blank period

Btw if people are spending that much and folks leaving doesn't effect much wouldn't mean there's something going right more than not? Just a wonder

The game isn't going to change, whether you leave or not. Just move on.

That's what I'm going to do.

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MoP was awesome though. EW feels more like a WoD.

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For Endwalker to feel like WoD, Island Sanctuaries would have to have cost us a raid tier like how Garrisons did in WoW. Considering we have two whole more raid tiers than WoD and haven't missed a beat, Endwalker looks like a masterclass compared to Snorelords of Boremore.

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For Endwalker to feel like WoD, Island Sanctuaries would have to have cost us a raid tier like how Garrisons did in WoW. Considering we have two whole more raid tiers than WoD and haven't missed a beat, Endwalker looks like a masterclass compared to Snorelords of Boremore.

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It did cost us a raid tier, but where on earth are you getting the 2 more raid tiers in XIV from? WoD gave you Highmaul, Blackrock Foundry and Hellfire Citadel, I'm counting 3. Endwalker gave us Asphodelos, Abyssos and whatever the last one will be called, also 3.

WoD was lacking in basically all content except raids.

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WoD eh? What if... there was a small garrison in your island sanctuary?

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Ohhhhhh you are right. It is copy the SimFarm.

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Btw if people are spending that much and folks leaving doesn't effect much wouldn't mean there's something going right more than not? Just a wonder

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Read the guild tread. Chara sub to own the houses it is reason for complaint. If unsub all same chara losing the house and it go sell to other chara who beg for house many years. Is reason why complain here. Is unfair for the chara who not using house but do not want to lose.

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It did cost us a raid tier, but where on earth are you getting the 2 more raid tiers in XIV from? WoD gave you Highmaul, Blackrock Foundry and Hellfire Citadel, I'm counting 3. Endwalker gave us Asphodelos, Abyssos and whatever the last one will be called, also 3.

WoD was lacking in basically all content except raids.

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Remember 6.1 for WoW? The Selfie Patch.

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Remember 6.1 for WoW? The Selfie Patch.

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I read earlier that they're removing Twitter integration that they added alongside that camera. So now we have a camera that doesn't work fully since the selfie pose broke, and the integration gone. RIP any legacy of 6.1.