Mogstation taking another step to the darkside

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

Halloween, last year. It was a cute orange Ahriman with a purple eye, fitting hat and special "attack".

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Thanks. So about once a year, maybe.

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Originally Posted by linay

Thanks. So about once a year, maybe.

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2019 All Saints' Wake - Circus Ahriman
2018 Valentione's Day - Broken Heart (Left and Right)
2017 Starlight Celebration - Starlight Bear
2017 Hatching-tide - Eggshilaration System
2015 All Saints' Wake - Witch's Broom

2016 also had Yokai (two mounts), 2017 had three GARO ponies and 2019 had Regalia in their respective events. I don't count Rathalos because it's a permanent event.

I never understood the hate behind microtransactions in the sense people are against them but most unless it is egregious and overtly predatory in both implementation and intent do nothing expect voice concerns and disapproval. Only effective means of change is impacting the wallet, not a huge fan if cancel culture but I will not deny that such outrage that impacts profits does result in change.

In short mass voting of the wallet is the only thing that will ever cause SE to reconsider their stance on cash shops buy even then that may not do much because of players like myself that tend to buy items regularly off the cash shop.

We can complain but sometimes complaining for the sake of complaining is not healthy.

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Originally Posted by Awha

We can complain but sometimes complaining for the sake of complaining is not healthy.

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That's only when people fish around for something to complain about. Not venting when you dislike something can be equally unhealthy, and there are people who genuinely hate microtransactions.

But you know, this a forum where Final Fantasy 14 is the perfect game, Square Enix is the perfect company, and any kind of criticism whatsoever makes a person all kinds of petty and entitled.

Hm, I for one complain only about two things related to the Mogstation:

1. The prices are too high; especially for glamour that goes not to the account but the individual playable characters.

(I'm so glad I got the original Maid- / Butler-costume as well as Eastern Journey set. Having them bound to my account instead of a single character definitely makes playing with alts more fun.)

2. Stuff from the cashshop cannot be sold ingame.

(One of the small things I like about Tera is said feature. If you don't want to spend real money on a costume / mount, you still have a chance to buy it from another player with the ingame-currency)

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

That's only when people fish around for something to complain about. Not venting when you dislike something can be equally unhealthy, and there are people who genuinely hate microtransactions.

But you know, this a forum where Final Fantasy 14 is the perfect game, Square Enix is the perfect company, and any kind of criticism whatsoever makes a person all kinds of petty and entitled.

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Way I see it complaining about something without taking noticable action what is it going to accomplish? The cash shop is not going anywhere, sure one can criticize SE for having a cash shop but words alone rarely ever sway a company at that point people are simply complaining for the sake of complaining since most are not taking action regarding said complaints.

Aspects of this game I do not like, but not much I can do to change it so I have to make a choice is it worth putting up with or not? Sometimes I need to take a break because the aspects I do not enjoy about the game especially during content droughts shine through. I am an odd ball

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

That's only when people fish around for something to complain about. Not venting when you dislike something can be equally unhealthy, and there are people who genuinely hate microtransactions.

But you know, this a forum where Final Fantasy 14 is the perfect game, Square Enix is the perfect company, and any kind of criticism whatsoever makes a person all kinds of petty and entitled.

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I know you're being sarcastic in that last line there, but I'mma defend myself cause I know we're on opposing sides of the cashshop. I don't think SE is anywher near perfect, the only reason I defend the mogstation in this time period is because I've seen much much worst. As far as the shop goes we really do have it the best. No lootboxes, everything is side costumes and stuff. No pay to win crap, people aren't buying houses off the store - ESO- or a million loot boxes for one jacket -TERA!!!!!!!!- But that's how I see it anyway. It's no where near perfect, but out of all the mmos out there and some of the mmolites. Yeah.. XIV is miles ahead of them.

PSA : SE is silencing people who oppose their atrocious monatization practices. My boyfriend made this thread to make light of SE gating seasonal content in the cash shop. Last night he was banned from the forums under false pretense so that he couldn't continue voicing his concern in the forums. Many people are arguing that this seasonal mount in the cash shop isn't that bad. However, where do we draw the line for what is acceptable in a subscription game that is leaning towards a free to play model?

The amount of people shilling for SE here is worrying, not gonna lie. How about we increase the monthly subscription, make every future mount a Mog Station only item and all dyes are single use and can only be purchased for real money. I'm sure even then people would defend the game. Give them and inch and such. Some people have no common sense. /sigh

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Originally Posted by Minxilicious

However, where do we draw the line for what is acceptable in a subscription game that is leaning towards a free to play model?

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For me it's double dipping. Plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Minxilicious

PSA : SE is silencing people who oppose their atrocious monatization practices. My boyfriend made this thread to make light of SE gating seasonal content in the cash shop. Last night he was banned from the forums under false pretense so that he couldn't continue voicing his concern in the forums. Many people are arguing that this seasonal mount in the cash shop isn't that bad. However, where do we draw the line for what is acceptable in a subscription game that is leaning towards a free to play model?

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Just wondering in the email that has states the reason for the suspension what rule / post did they quote?

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

The amount of people shilling for SE here is worrying, not gonna lie. How about we increase the monthly subscription, make every future mount a Mog Station only item and all dyes are single use and can only be purchased for real money. I'm sure even then people would defend the game. Give them and inch and such. Some people have no common sense. /sigh

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The reality is you are right people will defend the game since many have differing views and for microtransactions to work they do not need a large percentage of the player base to take part.

I mean if SE cash shop the hill on which people wish to die on so be it. In the end though SE has a rather modest cash shop that surprisingly tame when you compare them to other moms and competitively priced. As you mentioned it could be so much worse. Sure it could be better but expecting them to stop using the cash shop for mounts, dyes, cosmetic items is not going to happen unless they do something that will cause a mass exodus of the game.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

The amount of people shilling for SE here is worrying, not gonna lie. How about we increase the monthly subscription, make every future mount a Mog Station only item and all dyes are single use and can only be purchased for real money. I'm sure even then people would defend the game. Give them and inch and such. Some people have no common sense. /sigh

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It seems to me that you have no common sense. Every current day MMO has a cash shop. No one is "shilling for SE" when the simple fact is that EVERYTHING on the Mog Station is completely optional. None of it is predatorial. There's nothing anyone NEEDS from the Mog Station. It's all optional stuff that doesn't impact character stats, gameplay, or overall enjoyment factor. None of it. In fact, the Mog Station isn't even directly tied into the game. You can't open a menu in XIV and access the Mog Station through it. This is literally the most easy going and non-invasive cash shop I've seen in an MMO. Calm the calamity that is your mammeries

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Originally Posted by Awha

Just wondering in the email that has states the reason for the suspension what rule / post did they quote?



The reality is you are right people will defend the game since many have differing views and for microtransactions to work they do not need a large percentage of the player base to take part.

I mean if SE cash shop the hill on which people wish to die on so be it. In the end though SE has a rather modest cash shop that surprisingly tame when you compare them to other moms and competitively priced. As you mentioned it could be so much worse. Sure it could be better but expecting them to stop using the cash shop for mounts, dyes, cosmetic items is not going to happen unless they do something that will cause a mass exodus of the game.

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He was not given a reason for the ban. They used a generic view forum guideline.

We dont oppose SE using a cash shop. However, if you have played the game for more than a few years, you would have seen that the cash shop has become increasingly egregious. A subscription game should be held to a higher standard, even their biggest competitor`s cash shop isnt as bad as this.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

It seems to me that you have no common sense. Every current day MMO has a cash shop. No one is "shilling for SE" when the simple fact is that EVERYTHING on the Mog Station is completely optional. None of it is predatorial. There's nothing anyone NEEDS from the Mog Station. It's all optional stuff that doesn't impact character stats, gameplay, or overall enjoyment factor. None of it. In fact, the Mog Station isn't even directly tied into the game. You can't open a menu in XIV and access the Mog Station through it. This is literally the most easy going and non-invasive cash shop I've seen in an MMO. Calm the calamity that is your mammeries

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It might be better to be overly critical to prevent SE from considering taking further steps in expanding Cash Shop practices. Give an inch of tolerance and they usually will take a mile. Perhaps not at once, but little by little. Even if it's all useless criticism and they never were going to expand anyway, it's a worthy security measure to let developpers know where you stand.

Unless you actually like the existence of Cash Shop and want to expand it, shilling for SE just because you're a fanboy is silly and not in your best interest I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Minxilicious

PSA : SE is silencing people who oppose their atrocious monatization practices. My boyfriend made this thread to make light of SE gating seasonal content in the cash shop. Last night he was banned from the forums under false pretense so that he couldn't continue voicing his concern in the forums. Many people are arguing that this seasonal mount in the cash shop isn't that bad. However, where do we draw the line for what is acceptable in a subscription game that is leaning towards a free to play model?

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"False pretenses". No. The forum mods here actually legitimately ban for quite a few things, and your boyfriend must have done one of them. Trust me. I know. I highly doubt he was silenced for his opinion on the spriggan mount.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

I find these condescending attitudes to be quite amusing. I'm sure you're laughing at me just as hard as I'm laughing at you.

Some people like reminiscing about the days when a purchase for a product actually gave you the entire product. If I wanted to unlock an extra outfit in a Super Nintendo game, I didn't have to buy an extra cartridge. If I wanted a larger game that was more expensive to make, I simply paid more.

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Here's the thing. You DID pay for the product. These are EXTRA items added after the fact, made by a completely seperate team, made specifically for the MOGSTATION. This Spriggan mount would not exist otherwise. No matter how much you or others may think it was ripped out of the event to sell for premium. It is simply not true.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

"False pretenses". No. The forum mods here actually legitimately ban for quite a few things, and your boyfriend must have done one of them. Trust me. I know. I highly doubt he was silenced for his opinion on the spriggan mount.

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You can get banned on these forums for quite a lot unfortunately. The mods never seem to be consistent though so take it as you will.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

You can get banned on these forums for quite a lot unfortunately. The mods never seem to be consistent though so take it as you will.

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Yep, people here would probably be surprised just how far they will go, and just how broad the actual ToS, and forum guidelines actually are interpreted. Either way, highly doubtful they would have been banned for their opinion on the spriggan mount. No way.

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Originally Posted by Minxilicious

He was not given a reason for the ban. They used a generic view forum guideline.

We dont oppose SE using a cash shop. However, if you have played the game for more than a few years, you would have seen that the cash shop has become increasingly egregious. A subscription game should be held to a higher standard, even their biggest competitor`s cash shop isnt as bad as this.

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Out of curiosity, I had a look at his previous posts.
There were a few swear words, perhaps that could be it, but I didn't notice anything else.
Well, anything but the fact that every post made over the past few years was complaining about items being on mogstation. Carbuncle mounts and an emote... so not seasonal stuff.
You don't oppose SE using a cash shop, except when it has items you (or he) personally want, it seems.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Out of curiosity, I had a look at his previous posts.
There were a few swear words, perhaps that could be it, but I didn't notice anything else.
Well, anything but the fact that every post made over the past few years was complaining about items being on mogstation. Carbuncle mounts and an emote... so not seasonal stuff.
You don't oppose SE using a cash shop, except when it has items you (or he) personally want, it seems.

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They will delete an entire post if it has a swear word they deem "profanity". It is likely that whatever post they got hit with is deleted.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Sometimes I wonder whether or not I'm the only person who joins these threads because of principles, rather than being upset or something. I don't even collect mounts.

I love FFXIV, dislike cash shops, and, like some of the others in this thread, admitted that it would be nice and dandy (to us) if FFXIV didn't have a cash shop. Does that make me upset? No. But it does mean that I won't consider FFXIV the perfect game and that I will criticize it where I feel criticism is due. Calmy, I might add.



We're not given anything. We're buying it.



As in, a package that is partial, or incomplete.

A functional incomplete package is not the same as a complete package. All it takes for a package to be incomplete is a single locked item that cannot be aquired through in-game means.

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--What Principle? That you dont like the Optional Non-Invasive ability to buy something you dont need that doesn't effect the game?

--You don't buy patches updates in an MMO. You buy the ability to play the game.

--So literally, you just hate Premium Cash Shop. Even if it doesn't effect the game, you see something you want, you just think it should be free, and games shouldn't be allowed to sell side stuff That is optional, and that helps keep a game running.
You see optional side stuff that you can buy, then it means the game is Incomplete.
Am I understanding you?

The thing is, even if SE don't "need" the income from the cash shop, they do get it, which means FFXIV brings in more money, which means it gets more funding, which means more content.
So indirectly, the game does benefit from the cash shop.
It's up to you whether you feel the need to buy anything from it, anything purely optional and cosmetic.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

The thing is, even if SE don't "need" the income from the cash shop, they do get it, which means FFXIV brings in more money, which means it gets more funding, which means more content.
So indirectly, the game does benefit from the cash shop.
It's up to you whether you feel the need to buy anything from it, anything purely optional and cosmetic.

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Just wait for the argument. "They use all the profits towards other projects". You'll be seeing that on this page or two, if someone decides to reply to you.

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Originally Posted by Minxilicious

He was not given a reason for the ban. They used a generic view forum guideline.

We dont oppose SE using a cash shop. However, if you have played the game for more than a few years, you would have seen that the cash shop has become increasingly egregious. A subscription game should be held to a higher standard, even their biggest competitor`s cash shop isnt as bad as this.

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That seems odd, I would try to fight it I have been suspended from the forums many times and they always provide the post that was the result of the suspension. Sure the reason behind is kind of weak but if the email does not have the post or quote what was said for the suspended you should fight it. Though I have been banned for profanity, using the r word, cancer in a certain context, posting a pic of an otter, taking part in an already necro thread, calling someone a fool. List goes on SE forum mods do not play.

Thing is SE cash shop is rather tame even at it's most "egregious" I do get where you are coming from, but when I have to to disagree with you regarding blizzards cash shop if that is what you are referring to. Granted it is a subjective I do feel SE does a good job with balancing the cash shop and in game mounts. Blizzard seems to put more effort into their cash shop mounts, maybe outside the massive in game money sink mounts but even then given tokens those could also be obtained through the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

What Principle? That you dont like the Optional Non-Invasive ability to buy something you dont need that doesn't effect the game?

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Yes. Were you expecting a different answer?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

You don't buy patches updates in an MMO. You buy the ability to play the game.

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Which is the same thing. Unless you know of a way to play any versions of the game client other than the current version and connect to the server in a state other than the current state...

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So literally, you just hate Premium Cash Shop. Even if it doesn't effect the game, you see something you want, you just think it should be free, and games shouldn't be allowed to sell side stuff That is optional, and that helps keep a game running.
You see optional side stuff that you can buy, then it means the game is Incomplete.
Am I understanding you?

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Yes and no.

Like I said, my beef is not the money, but rather it being a separate purchase that I have to go through to get those items if I want them. I'd rather pay for these things up front.

They could add a third subscription option to look like this:

Entry - $12 a month
Standard -$15 a month
Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Awha

That seems odd, I would try to fight it I have been suspended from the forums many times and they always provide the post that was the result of the suspension. Sure the reason behind is kind of weak but if the email does not have the post or quote what was said for the suspended you should fight it.

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You cannot fight a ban on these forums. There are no appeals, moderator action is final. Trust me. I know.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

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That sounds more egregious than having the cash shop as it is. In my opinion, a really bad idea. Fallout 1st here we go. :rolleyes:

If yo uwant the items. Buy them. What is the difference between buying them through a faux subscription fee or just paying for them upfront? The difference is they can load that horrible subscription idea with a bunch of dog poop to justify the cost. While you can directly buy exactly the bonus items you want through the mogstation and not be paying continuously for garbage.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Yes because the fact it is a spriggan with a basket sold with last year hatching tide item and one week before hatching tide as nothing to do with the theme.

What next? A spooky mount for halloween but hey just because it's a ghost doesn't mean it related to halloween.
Lol.

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So literally, just because its a Sprig that means its Easter Themed. Has anybody actually looked at the Mount in Game? It has nothing to do with Easter.
The best you can do is say "Well its holding a Basket, there-for its Easter"

How spooky we talking? Because they could release a Spooky Mount at any time this year before and after Halloween, and Ill bet this same conversation comes up - "It should have been free for the event"
Even it it isnt tied to the event at all.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

But you know, this a forum where Final Fantasy 14 is the perfect game, Square Enix is the perfect company, and any kind of criticism whatsoever makes a person all kinds of petty and entitled.

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Posts like these man.....Sound Very Petty and Entitled.
Nobody has taken away your right or ability to complain or Criticize anything. But like your stance and Opinion on any subject, there will always be those with an Opposite Opinion. And how many threads do you visit? You should know already that FFXIV is not the perfect game and Square isnt the Perfect Company, and there is nobody that has that Opinion

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You cannot fight a ban on these forums. There are no appeals, moderator action is final. Trust me. I know.

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That is true, but if the email does not have a quote as to the reason for the suspension no matter how trivial then they should fight it. If the got an email said you are suspended for x reason without showing where you broke the rule that seems out of character for SE. Trust me I know I have been suspended many times and even if their reason is odd, they have always provided a comment that resulted the suspension. Even if it goes no where, people should make a record when a forum moderator does suspended someone without a reason. Do not get me wrong I do think the email had a reason but without knowing for sure I will give them the benefit of doubt.

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Originally Posted by Awha

That is true, but if the email does not have a quote as to the reason for the suspension no matter how trivial then they should fight it. If the got an email said you are suspended for x reason without showing where you broke the rule that seems out of character for SE. Trust me I know I have been suspended many times and even if their reason is odd, they have always provided a comment that resulted the suspension. Even if it goes no where, people should make a record when a forum moderator does suspended someone without a reason. Do not get me wrong I do think the email had a reason but without knowing for sure I will give them the benefit of doubt.

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There is a reason I say "it seems", or I attack the idea, or I say "they", "some people", "maybe", "in my opinion". If you don't use those words you can be banned for "libel, slander". For example. It's the same reason I use a spongebob vocabulary, like I am in 6th grade. The forum guidelines are very broad. I'm sure if there is a ban it is legitimate, no matter how bad you or I may think it is.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Posts like these man.....Sound Very Petty and Entitled.
Nobody has taken away your right or ability to complain or Criticize anything. But like your stance and Opinion on any subject, there will always be those with an Opposite Opinion. And how many threads do you visit? You should know already that FFXIV is not the perfect game and Square isnt the Perfect Company, and there is nobody that has that Opinion

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Being petty and entitled implies that my number 1 priority is getting what I want here. I'd be perfectly content with not getting my way here and people flat-out disagreeing with me while being super chill about it. But, like everything else, it's almost as if some people take things a little too personally. Or they don't, but feel the need to mock others anyway.

So yeah. Let's try this again. I'll do me and you do you. Square Enix will only listen to one of us, and that's most definitely you. Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

If you want the items. Buy them. What is the difference between buying them through a faux subscription fee or just paying for them upfront?

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I already explained this.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Which is the same thing. Unless you know of a way to play any versions of the game client other than the current version and connect to the server in a state other than the current state...



Yes and no.

Like I said, my beef is not the money, but rather it being a separate purchase that I have to go through to get those items if I want them. I'd rather pay for these things up front.

They could add a third subscription option to look like this:

Entry - $12 a month
Standard -$15 a month
Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

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.....your 1st post quoted there makes no sense...
Its a Subscription based online game, you have to be online to play, and in order to play you are required to update because the previous version is no longer playable.
Even if you were to somehow trick the game to let you play a Previous version, you still have to have an active subscription tied to your account to play the game as well.
You still aren't paying for that Update, you are paying to play the game.
Those are 2 different things. If you had a separate charge to get and install the update, then we'd have a different conversation.

That 3rd Sub option wouldn't get rid of a cash shop. They would still sell separate items, and we'd still have the same argument - "I pay X amount a month for a subscription, I think it should be free" nothing would change, nothing would be improved, you'd just be paying 2x the mount for maybe a few extra things, but there is still side stuff being sold.
And now you have people complaining that they dont get X item because they arn't giving SE more and how unfair THAT would be.

It seems strange to be freaking out about what is basically the most harmless and RNG free cash shop in MMOs, if anything I'd consider this to be the ideal way to do a cash shop.

Cash shops are part of MMOs, RNG cash items which are generally what get the whales and ruin people financially have been a part of MMOs since as long as I've been playing them.

I can't actually name an MMO that does not have some sort of loot crate or RNG item, generally wherein an average person can expect to get that one item they want after spending $100s- ESO, GW2, BDO, near every overseas MMO, WoW with its TCG prizes that are so rare they can go for $1000s.

FFXIV has done two things that are basically unique in the genre. No RNG, and you can't turn cash items into gil or vice versa.

If you don't think there should be any MTs in games fine- you're basically fighting a battle that was lost over a decade ago but go at it. But if you're looking at the industry as a whole, I can't think of an MMO that is both less greedy and less predatory/dangerous with their cash shop model, heck even several games that aren't near the scope of MMOs are considerably worse.

Far as I'm concerned, the sub pays for content- and FFXIV gives far more content than any non-sub game, and most of those sub games make you pay for their content anyway (ESO for example has full priced xpacs that offer a fraction of what a FFXIV/WoW xpac does, and makes you pay for small content updates too- while many other MMOs just don't add content or will do as much in a year as a sub mmo does in a month). This game includes a considerable amount of cosmetic items obtainable in game; outfits from story, raids that are actually worth wearing, mounts and pets- f2p mmos generally don't have any of that available from playing the game, and instead have them solely from their stores.

ESO mounts you can buy are 30-50 bucks, but the best ones through RNG crates average about $250, and houses can be around $120. BDO outfits are about $40. GW2's entire economy is at the mercy of the real money store. For those games, the cosmetic aspect and often the entire economy and actual gameplay aspect is dominated by real money spending. If you were to buy both the content and the cosmetics that FFXIV has in game at the prices other MMOs charge you'd be paying about $1000 a month, like I don't think people get just how expensive f2p MMOs actually are for what they offer.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Like I said, my beef is not the money, but rather it being a separate purchase that I have to go through to get those items if I want them. I'd rather pay for these things up front.

They could add a third subscription option to look like this:

Entry - $12 a month
Standard -$15 a month
Mog-Station OCD Hoarder - However much it takes to get these things for free.

Heck, if they did that, then all of this would be a non-issue even with a cash shop.

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This sounds awful.


Say you wanted just one item from the mogstation, lets go with this mount just for the sake of it.
I just want this new mount, so I have to upgrade my subscription to the higher tier. Sure, it gives me access to all other mogstation content, but I don't want any of it, I just want this mount.
I'm not tied into a higher tier subscription until the end of the games life or until I stop playing, because there's no way you can decrease your sub tier.
Just because I wanted one item.
Say I play this game for another 3 years, 36 months, and that higher tier subscription is an extra... $5.
36 x 5 = $180... for a single mount...

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

.....your 1st post quoted there makes no sense...

Its a Subscription based online game, you have to be online to play, and in order to play you are required to update because the previous version is no longer playable.
Even if you were to somehow trick the game to let you play a Previous version, you still have to have an active subscription tied to your account to play the game as well.

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Is it pronounced potatoes or potatoes?

Again, it's the same thing. I'm paying to play their latest update, which in turn makes it so that I'm paying for the update.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

That 3rd Sub option wouldn't get rid of a cash shop.

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But it would add an alternative. I'm always the type to advocate for more options instead of less. The cash shop has exclusives which currently need to be purchased one-by-one in order to be obtained. There's nothing wrong with desiring an alternative way to buy them.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

This sounds awful.

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It wouldn't be for you. It would be for those that want it.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

This sounds awful.


Say you wanted just one item from the mogstation, lets go with this mount just for the sake of it.
I just want this new mount, so I have to upgrade my subscription to the higher tier. Sure, it gives me access to all other mogstation content, but I don't want any of it, I just want this mount.
I'm not tied into a higher tier subscription until the end of the games life or until I stop playing, because there's no way you can decrease your sub tier.
Just because I wanted one item.
Say I play this game for another 3 years, 36 months, and that higher tier subscription is an extra... $5.
36 x 5 = $180... for a single mount...

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Adding to this...even if there was an ability to lower your subscription later...you still paid extra to get that mount/One item. So what did you do differently by paying for a Higher Tier Sub for a month for an item, that you couldn't just get from the cash shop? You still paid extra for it.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Is it pronounced potatoes or potatoes?

Again, it's the same thing. I'm paying to play their latest update, which in turn makes it so that I'm paying for the update.



But it would add an alternative. I'm always the type to advocate for more options instead of less. The cash shop has exclusives which currently need to be purchased one-by-one in order to be obtaining. There's nothing wrong with desiring an alternative way to buy them.

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No you aren't, lol. Your paying for a subscription that gives you an active account that permits you the ability to play the game.
An update is separate from the ability to play the game. You aren't paying for the ability to download Patch 5.25. You can download that for free by just installing the game launcher. Which automatically updates to the latest version, and doesn't charge you to do that.
There is a fundamental difference that you are willfully choosing to ignore.
But, Im sure we will go in circles, so Ill stop arguing this point even if you have a Counter for it.

And dude that Alternative, Doesn't - Change - Anything.
There will Still be a Cash Shop, you will never get Everything for free even by paying a Larger Sub Tier.
Your idea as great as you or like-minded people think it is, wouldn't stop a cash shop. So it doesn't change anything, even with a Higher OCD Tier, you would still have separate Purchase Items being sold in a cash shop.
Paying $30 or so for a sub, won't stop a $20 mount from being put in a cash shop, and that $30 a month you are paying will not give you that mount for free.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

It wouldn't be for you. It would be for those that want it.

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What part of paying $180 for a single mount did you not understand?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Adding to this...even if there was an ability to lower your subscription later...you still paid extra to get that mount/One item. So what did you do differently by paying for a Higher Tier Sub for a month for an item, that you couldn't just get from the cash shop? You still paid extra for it.

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They wouldn't allow you to lower your tier, just like you can;t go from standard to entry.
Once you're at this hypothetical higher tier, you already have the exclusive items. Lowering the tier would mean removing those items from your character (otherwise people could subscript for one month, 'buy' everything on the mogstation, and then lower their tier) which would be awful, deleting items you paid for because you couldn't keep up your 'rent'.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

There is a fundamental difference that you are willfully choosing to ignore.

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I'm ignoring you? There's a lot of ignoring going around in this thread, from both sides. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

What part of paying $180 for a single mount did you not understand?

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Funny. I could have sworn that the Mog Station carried more than just a single mount.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Funny. I could have sworn that the Mog Station carried more than just a single mount.

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So I'd be forced to pay $180 for the entire mogstation catalogue when I only ever wanted a single mount?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

So I'd be forced to pay $180 for the entire mogstation catalogue when I only ever wanted a single mount?

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You wouldn't be forced to do anything. It would be optional, like your beloved cash shop.


Also, I'm going to leave the forum now. People simply disagreeing with me does not bother me, but I seem to be striking nerves everywhere I go. If my very presence is going to cause this sort of thing, then I'll just turn on damage control and go full-blown hermit.