All Greed on Alliance loot

They should do what they did with dungeons at the start of stormblood. Where we would get a piece of gear we don't have for the job we are playing on when we beat the raid that way they keep this greed only system they want and everyone else gets what they want.

Oh great! Now I’m NEVER gonna get gear from alliance raids.








Okay. I mildly over-reacted there.

the reasoning seems pretty obvious to me.
the 1 item a week will still be in place and it is generally catch up/alt gear so promote more tanks/healers to go as an actual tank/healer and speed up new instances popping. Seems like 90% of alliance gear just rots until it gets unlocked anyways so i doubt this would really have too much effect

Don't think they said anything about it being this way in the unlocked loot alliance raids either

I used to queue as healer for the speed and just greed the stuff i wanted and usually got it already so I really don't see this changing much in terms of actually getting pieces

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Originally Posted by Nihility

the reasoning seems pretty obvious to me.
the 1 item a week will still be in place and it is generally catch up/alt gear so promote more tanks/healers to go as an actual tank/healer and speed up new instances popping.

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I didn't like tanking 24 man, but I'd tank it to get the gear.

Now I have no excuse to. I have things to do while in queue, so wait time to dps won't bug me. I have even less incentive to play tank now.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

I didn't like tanking 24 man, but I'd tank it to get the gear.

Now I have no excuse to. I have things to do while in queue, so wait time to dps won't bug me. I have even less incentive to play tank now.

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I disagree with Nihility on that queue times were the reason for this change and that more tanks and healers would speed up queues, because in my experience the dps spots are always the last to fill up. In any case there is a flip side to your situation: I like tanking the 24 man and won't need to dps to get alts geared now. So you can join as dps and take "my" loot and I can come as tank and get "your" loot, and we both get to enjoy ourselves a bit more by playing what we prefer most.

According to this translation (at the bottom of my post) that was the whole point of the change. To allow people to play their mains and not be disadvantaged when it comes to rolling for loot. I'm not saying it's the best way to handle loot or that the old system needed to be changed but it does bring some benefits, such as having no downside to playing the job(s) one enjoys the most and the overall quality of groups going up when everyone isn't playing unmelded alt jobs they don't know how to play as well as their main. The people who are comfortable with multiple roles have no reason to wait in queue and can now pick the role which is most in demand without worrying about loot, and this can slightly reduce queue times.

A token system would be the most beneficial to everyone, but the amount of flak they get for implementing a dozen tokens for every piece of content probably influenced their decision. Personally I would like to see every RNG loot method go away completely or have some form of insurance against bad RNG like how the Stormblood leveling dungeons and savage raids work.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

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As long as it is only 1 item per week there is no issue with that system, actually it should even be beneficial to the overall quality of the run.

It will incentivise people to run with a better geared instead of a barely geared class, making them fare better in the dungeon.
It will also help to go for more items on different classes at once, instead of needing to grind on that one class to need on that one set.
And you can still pinpoint items you want as you used to, just that you now can do that on any class and are not required to go on the same class as the item. While yes, that opens the opportunity for everyone else to do so, removing a saftey net, you could have also neded up in the dungeon with 4 bards wanting the same item. I don't see any major differences in both scenarios.

What it sadly will also create:
People who don't care about loot just rolling on something they will never use or can't even use at the current moment, creating frustrations for those farming. But if you need or want to farm alliance loot, you should generally be prepared for a long time regardless of the loot system in function.
It might also increase griefing, people just rolling on things so that other guy won't get it. But that is a really rare case and bothering about this type of player is not even worth anyones time.

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When we actually will get an issue is, when the loot lockout isn't in place anymore.
Everyone rolling on anything, not even your job guaranteeing a minor chance to get the item more likely? At that point you need to re-implement the need function or alliance raid will just die out for anyone who wants to actually get full gerasets or even a single piece.
No need is abbsolutely not sustainable in a no-lockout situation. At that point the loot system has to be changed back to normal or it will only create frustrations, ragequits and an unhealthy dungeon environment.
There are so many negative aspects of what will occur with greed-only after the lockout is lifted that I can just beg SE to have the forsight and re-implement the Need feature at that point.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

Oh great! Now I’m NEVER gonna get gear from alliance raids.








Okay. I mildly over-reacted there.

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Nah it will be like mine when you finally do get it, it will be obsolete gear and just for glam i guess

@ Vriel i partially agree, had they implemented a token system or one like that of Omega, it would be less issue then it will now be. I may get banned so will not say it in full but someone @ SE needs to be hit with a st____id stick, lol

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Originally Posted by Maero

Nah it will be like mine when you finally do get it, it will be obsolete gear and just for glam i guess

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Well the gear is kinda obsolete on arrival since it will be the same level as base tome gear, so the only point going into the 24 man raid would be for the tome gear upgrade token

If this whole All Greed thing isn't THOROUGHLY explained in the next LL, I quit. That's just how it is.
It shouldn't be near-impossible to get gear that you may need from a place that is designed for catch-up gear for those left behind. But maybe there will be a token system, like with raids...?
I will wait until next Live Letter, and if it still hasn't been adjusted, or if it indeed isn't some kind of a decent token system now, I quit. I just don't see why they removed Need from it. SE's doing some very bad moves.

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Originally Posted by Zanmato

If this whole All Greed thing isn't THOROUGHLY explained in the next LL, I quit. That's just how it is.
It shouldn't be near-impossible to get gear that you may need from a place that is designed for catch-up gear for those left behind. But maybe there will be a token system, like with raids...?
I will wait until next Live Letter, and if it still hasn't been adjusted, or if it indeed isn't some kind of a decent token system now, I quit. I just don't see why they removed Need from it. SE's doing some very bad moves.

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The explanation is simple: JP players have some kind of unspoken social rule which pretty much forces you to to everything you can to be performing at the best level you can achieve for the team/alliance.
This means that they are more often than not doing 24-raids with their main job, which is the one they play the best with. This makes it difficult for them to acquire gear from these instances for their alt-jobs.

The outcry mostly comes from the rest of the world, which doesn't care about being credit to team or not. It's mostly people wanting to keep their priviledges of being able to mostly secure loot (especially tanks, but not only) even if they play extremely poorly.

It's not the first time that our self-centered behavior is detrimental to us, whereas it's fine in Japan since this way of playing is mostly nonexistent. So, while this new system will be doing a fine work in JP, it doesn't fit wish our way of playing.
They care about "how can I be the most helpful to my fellow players?" and we care about "what is the most effective way for me to get my loot while doing as little as I can?". Obviously, some systems won't be compatible with the two approaches.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

The explanation is simple: JP players have some kind of unspoken social rule which pretty much forces you to to everything you can to be performing at the best level you can achieve for the team/alliance.
This means that they are more often than not doing 24-raids with their main job, which is the one they play the best with. This makes it difficult for them to acquire gear from these instances for their alt-jobs.

The outcry mostly comes from the rest of the world, which doesn't care about being credit to team or not. It's mostly people wanting to keep their priviledges of being able to mostly secure loot (especially tanks, but not only) even if they play extremely poorly.

It's not the first time that our self-centered behavior is detrimental to us, whereas it's fine in Japan since this way of playing is mostly nonexistent. So, while this new system will be doing a fine work in JP, it doesn't fit wish our way of playing.
They care about "how can I be the most helpful to my fellow players?" and we care about "what is the most effective way for me to get my loot while doing as little as I can?". Obviously, some systems won't be compatible with the two approaches.

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Then this explanation is simple, stop ignoring 2/3s of your player base. Why do the needs of Japanese players outweigh what we need?

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Originally Posted by Fyce

A weeaboo speaketh.

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Hey now. Just because I go in on a job that barely makes it over the ilvl for gear doesn't mean I will be doing poorly. I might not be the best tank or DPS ever but I actively strive to be a positive contribution that doesn't bring down or wipe the team. If I meet the requirements to get in and work to earn my place in the team, why is that somehow a bad thing that makes me worse and more selfish than a Japanese player? There will always be lazy leeches that just go in to spam a skill and roll on loot but most players at least make a token effort. I can see expecting people to bring their mains on release week but after people get used to mechanics and the average ilvl starts to go up, bring whatever you want as long as you'll make an honest try at clearing the instance. The Japanese way of approaching PUG content isn't the inherently better way. It's just different.

I don't know what it's like to play on JP servers but if the Greed Only bit is because of players' self-imposed constraints rather than technical ones, then MAYBE SE should look at the wider audience before making changes like this. It's going to take forever and a day to get loot now regardless of what I play. GG SE, you're finding ways to make the content I consider worth subbing for more frustrating and grindtastic. It's not like someone's sitting in a room and plotting to personally annoy the crap out of me but I can't fathom why SE is doing what it's doing lately. I'm not a happy customer.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

They care about "how can I be the most helpful to my fellow players?" and we care about "what is the most effective way for me to get my loot while doing as little as I can?". Obviously, some systems won't be compatible with the two approaches.

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How does the new system help eliminate the latter? If a tank chestpiece drops, whats stopping the BLM main that spends most of a fight dead from rolling higher than the DRK main thats actually playing tank?

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

Hey now. Just because I go in on a job that barely makes it over the ilvl for gear doesn't mean I will be doing poorly. I might not be the best tank or DPS ever but I actively strive to be a positive contribution that doesn't bring down or wipe the team. If I meet the requirements to get in and work to earn my place in the team, why is that somehow a bad thing that makes me worse and more selfish than a Japanese player? There will always be lazy leeches that just go in to spam a skill and roll on loot but most players at least make a token effort. I can see expecting people to bring their mains on release week but after people get used to mechanics and the average ilvl starts to go up, bring whatever you want as long as you'll make an honest try at clearing the instance. The Japanese way of approaching PUG content isn't the inherently better way. It's just different.

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You are in a thread where the vast majority of the people talking are concerned about the new system lowering their chances of getting loot. And that's pretty much all they are concerned about. Some are so passionate about it that they are threatening to unsubscribe. On the other side of the coin, you can count on one hand the number of people who said "I'm glad because I'll now be able to play with the job I'm the most comfortable with and be better for me and my teammates". That very thread is a live proof of what I'm saying. If you want another one, just look at how the two communities play and gave their feedback on Eureka. Have fun with that one.

Anyway, I never said that how JP players are approaching content is better like you said at the end of your paragraph. If you felt that my descriptions did not picture us in a "good way" and felt offended, that's on you. And I don't care about what you do, I'm just speaking about objective cultural differences on a bigger scale than just an individual taking the time to post on the official forums. This stuff has been known for ages. Our issues aren't theirs. At least when it comes to that stuff.

Edit: Oh and speaking about cultural differences and how that impact gameplay for different communities is not "weeaboo speaketh". Nice flame attempt, but you're just being ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

I don't know what it's like to play on JP servers but if the Greed Only bit is because of players' self-imposed constraints rather than technical ones, then MAYBE SE should look at the wider audience before making changes like this. It's going to take forever and a day to get loot now regardless of what I play. GG SE, you're finding ways to make the content I consider worth subbing for more frustrating and grindtastic. It's not like someone's sitting in a room and plotting to personally annoy the crap out of me but I can't fathom why SE is doing what it's doing lately. I'm not a happy customer.

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Someone wanted an explanation about the reason why they'd do that change. A lot of people in this thread actually didn't have a clue. I'm just shining light on the obvious.
I'm not saying if SE should or shouldn't see their playerbase with a bigger scope, simply because I don't care about that discussion. If you want to talk to someone about how you think that you matter more than JP players in your eyes, I'm not the guy you should quote or argue with.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

How does the new system help eliminate the latter? If a tank chestpiece drops, whats stopping the BLM main that spends most of a fight dead from rolling higher than the DRK main thats actually playing tank?

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It doesn't help, and it doesn't matter as it was not the intent with that change. Why? Because, again, that's not a change for us, that's a change for JP players. And they don't have that issue. I'm wondering if you understood my post.
I'll do a tl;dr just for you: this change is meant to fix an issue the JP community has when it comes to gearing their alts. The kind of players you described are a rare exception for them, but not so much in US/EU. That's it. That's all I'm saying.

Is it good? Is it bad? I don't care. I'm just explaining the reason why they came up with that change in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

You are in a thread where the vast majority of the people talking are concerned about the new system lowering their chances of getting loot. And that's pretty much all they are concerned about. Some are so passionate about it that they are threatening to unsubscribe. On the other side of the coin, you can count on one hand the number of people who said "I'm glad because I'll now be able to play with the job I'm the most confortable with and be better for me and my teammates". That very thread is a live proof of what I'm saying. If you want another one, just look at how the two communities play and gave their feedback on Eureka. Have fun with that one.

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You know what? I want hard core proof. I think you blacklist me because of your constant twisting for white knighting, can someone ask this guy for links and proof? I really do not believe it and is just here to white knight like before in other places. So excuse me when I doubt your claims with how you really went extreme with word twisting in the past.

What thread? where are you talking about? I see "Japanese support this" (like with the app) and I see no thread on it?

Even if it is true, you do not split your playerbase and only do changes that benefit one group. I would love to see NA/EU subs tank for 4.3 so they will finally get a clue that Japanese playerbase does not represent the world.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

On the other side of the coin, you can count on one hand the number of people who said "I'm glad because I'll now be able to play with the job I'm the most confortable with and be better for me and my teammates".

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In my opinion if you want to gear a job then you play that job.

If a person isn't comfortable enough to play a certain job, then they frankly are not ready to do the content that job's loot is intended for. You're only going to get good with a job if you play it. You don't get good by playing something else and then waiting until you have great gear. No amount of combat stats is a replacement for playing experience.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying you agree with this, just highlighting a point you brought up.

Plain and simple, you want gear for that particular job/role PLAY IT.

This is an even worse idea than the forced cutscenes in the 8-man MSQ dungeons. If you go into content as a tank or healer you should get first dibs on gear for those respective roles, because you're one of the 3 people in your 8-man party actually playing that role. If you wanna gear up an alt job, play your alt job. If you're not the iLVL to get into that particular 24-man, work on gearing up so that you are.
I do hope SE reconsiders this idea, because it's just bad in so many ways.

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Originally Posted by 347SPECTRE

Plain and simple, you want gear for that particular job/role PLAY IT.

This is an even worse idea than the forced cutscenes in the 8-man MSQ dungeons. If you go into content as a tank or healer you should get first dibs on gear for those respective roles, because you're one of the 3 people in your 8-man party actually playing that role. If you wanna gear up an alt job, play your alt job. If you're not the iLVL to get into that particular 24-man, work on gearing up so that you are.
I do hope SE reconsiders this idea, because it's just bad in so many ways.

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You know they won't because they only care about the Japanese user base. Didn't people say the MSQ change had a positive reaction for them as well? Might be misremdering though, could been a blind claim like now how I am wondering with Fyce's

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Originally Posted by Penthea

In my opinion if you want to gear a job then you play that job.

If a person isn't comfortable enough to play a certain job, then they frankly are not ready to do the content that job's loot is intended for.

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I have to second this, if you are not ready for the harder content to play that job, then go do the activities for that job to learn it and get it to the fitting ilevel for the harder content. I do not really see how what Fyce said is a real reason for them doing this. It is really shallow if that is the case, then why have a need at all? Going against this idea is exactly the need's button purpose. The only way I can think of to make this change being legit is wondering if a missed detail was made in translation. My thinking is, if no one in the party rolls on the gear, then it goes to be alliance wide (weekly lock, so it is not dropping to the floor) That is the only way I can make sense of this change, SE really needs better communication with players outside japan.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

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Well you do have the option to prove them wrong by using the search bar. Simply search 'unsubscribe' and see what you can find and see if they are wrong (also, stop with the name calling/labelling). It should find every post with that word in them.

It's not ordered by date and is specific, so you'd probably have to look up multiples (unsub, unsubbed, unsubscribed, etc)

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Originally Posted by Penthea

In my opinion if you want to gear a job then you play that job.

If a person isn't comfortable enough to play a certain job, then they frankly are not ready to do the content that job's loot is intended for. You're only going to get good with a job if you play it. You don't get good by playing something else and then waiting until you have great gear. No amount of combat stats is a replacement for playing experience.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying you agree with this, just highlighting a point you brought up.

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Well, if your opinion "you have to play as a job you want a piece of gear for" is solely targeted to make people acquire experience and be better at playing said job, then that too must apply to the current token systems we have in FFXIV. Ie, people shouldn't be able to get tokens (8-raids, tomestones, enhancement materials...) if they plan to get a piece of gear for a different job than the one they played as when getting said tokens (or they should get job-related tokens to buy job-related gear, whatever). If they could, like it is right now, that would be against what you said.

So, if your opinion does apply to token systems too, then great, I can respect it. I can't agree with it as I find the restrictions it puts on the "fun factor" of playing the game too harsh though, but I respect it anyway.
If it doesn't, then you bring a contradiction/double standard to the table where you put an arbitrary line between gear which can be acquired freely, and gear that can't.

Like, there's no objective reason why someone would say "in 24-raids, people should be forced to play as the job they want gear to. But in roulettes/PvP/Eureka/8-raids normal/etc. it's fine to play whatever and buy anything with their tokens". Why 24-raids? Can't they get experience and be better at playing their job in other type of content? You get the idea.

I mean, I get where this is coming from. What you said was to make people perform better, which is something quite positive. Some others find value in these systems as they offer some kind of "reward" and play on the subject of merit. But it's also something dangerous to ask for, as it could lead to restrictions they don't really wanted in the first place. For example, almost every time we get job specific gear instead of gear shared by role, there are complaints. However, a strict "play as the job you want gear for" is right up that idea.
So, do we want all gear to be job specific and that I could only be acquired by playing the job in question regardless of the content? That'd change FFXIV quite a lot, and I'm pretty sure that's not what people actually want. But that's how some posts in that thread are worded.

In short, people should be careful in what they are asking. Or, actually, how they are asking it.

... Or maybe it's just me, and I don't understand why 24-raids are so special that they must be treated as an exception.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

... Or maybe it's just me, and I don't understand why 24-raids are so special that they must be treated as an exception.

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So you do not understand why they must be treated as an exception when you are seemly defending a change that makes them an exception? do you ever make sense?

start putting these tokens in currency tab and make a set of currency for 24 raid? fixed? greed wide is the worst fix idea they can possibility come up with. What if I asked you this, Why do you only get to need the gear you can actually wear, then endgame content it changes to these token systems? Or the auto obtain gear at the end of the run? are you going to argue you need a token for every single leveling dungeon in existence? also ex trails is a mercy mechanic, still rolling for your job that you come as.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Well you do have the option to prove them wrong by using the search bar. Simply search 'unsubscribe' and see what you can find and see if they are wrong (also, stop with the name calling/labelling). It should find every post with that word in them.

It's not ordered by date and is specific, so you'd probably have to look up multiples (unsub, unsubbed, unsubscribed, etc)

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What on earth are you talking about O_o You search it, I am not doing your work, idk what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

What on earth are you talking about O_o You search it, I am not doing your work, idk what you are talking about.

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I went on the assumption you were quoting them for 'people are unsubbing for x reason' and suggested you could use the search bar to prove them wrong. Finding evidence to prove someone wrong, etc (so the suggestion still stands).

As for Greed All, as I said in another thread, I don't see the issue. I hardly ever use 24-man raid gear for anything (other than glamour), even when it comes out and thanks to Eureka, even less so than before. Only on very rare occasions in old raids do I roll Need.

Whoa, whoa, whoa wait a second now. Are these going to be the new changes coming in May? There is going to be a huge drop in Alliance Raid attendance if this happens. It's bad enough RNG makes it hard for some folks to get the catch up gear but if you make it RNG plus more RNG on top of it, then players will have no reason to go. Only incentive I can see is if the tokens actually do more than just give upgrades, like a chance to buy the gear that drops from a vendor if you have x amount.

I don't understand this change, even when viewed through the lens of the Japanese MMO scene. If the players there already have an unwritten honor system then this is a needless change because they were already engaging in practices that make it little more than an added formality and a waste of resources.

A better change would have been a token system that we lot for akin to the eight man content. It still promotes a healthy level of activity for the twenty-four mans while avoiding the issue of pitting /everyone/ against each other for the scant pieces of loot that are given. Because right now this proposed change really doesn't help in any way shape or form. If anything it's just going to cause salt levels to rise and more people being burnt out with the content.

Mhm it honestly makes no sense. If I want something for my sub class I run it with that and if not I just hope it drops and no one loots but not the end of the world. Now this is going to be a big problem and people will probably end up asking and shouting dips on gear they need. Completely idiotic.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

The explanation is simple: JP players have some kind of unspoken social rule which pretty much forces you to to everything you can to be performing at the best level you can achieve for the team/alliance.
This means that they are more often than not doing 24-raids with their main job, which is the one they play the best with. This makes it difficult for them to acquire gear from these instances for their alt-jobs.

The outcry mostly comes from the rest of the world, which doesn't care about being credit to team or not. It's mostly people wanting to keep their priviledges of being able to mostly secure loot (especially tanks, but not only) even if they play extremely poorly.

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Is there a source that states that they truly only do this with their main job? Because if they care so much for team play and level all their jobs I cant believe that they would not play the other jobs great too. Also the old system still allowed them to get gear just that those that went into this with a job got the first chance. So I cant see how this will get better for them...because if so many of the japanese players need that for their alts and everyone can roll on it..they will just have more people that they roll against..

And like Vstarstruck said: Stop doing stuff for the smaller playerbase...the majority of your playerbase is from NA and EU and if you want to be an international successful game you cant just look at your homeland..

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Originally Posted by Fyce

You are in a thread where the vast majority of the people talking are concerned about the new system lowering their chances of getting loot. And that's pretty much all they are concerned about. Some are so passionate about it that they are threatening to unsubscribe. On the other side of the coin, you can count on one hand the number of people who said "I'm glad because I'll now be able to play with the job I'm the most comfortable with and be better for me and my teammates". That very thread is a live proof of what I'm saying. If you want another one, just look at how the two communities play and gave their feedback on Eureka. Have fun with that one.

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You kinda said that they may have made the change so that japanese players have a better chance to get the loot for their alts..and yet you see our reaction as negative when we are afraid that this might mean that people will have less chances at loot. Its not like the 24 man raid only exist for loot right? I mean next to glamour, gearing up your character is one of few reasons to run this countless of times.

My question is: If you dont want to play the job that you want your gear with..why do you need gear at all? Because seemingly you are not feeling good to play that one in this content..

I don't think all Greed is a good idea, at least not early on.

And the one item per week limitation sees to people not taking just whatever, the bigger reason people had to run it 20 times a week is because the RNG kept dropping gear to all the of the 0 Dragoons in the party.

I could agree putting the all greed in at most a few weeks in, where people have had time to get 2 or 3 sets by needing... So you don't get the people who have Tomestone sets with higher or equal ilvl needing them for different secondary stats or glamours from people who it would be a full upgrade to.

Saying you need to go in there on your main makes it sound like you need to have full Savage gear in order to even set foot in the raids otherwise you're not pulling your weight and should feel bad about yourself. Which is stupid.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

And like Vstarstruck said: Stop doing stuff for the smaller playerbase...the majority of your playerbase is from NA and EU and if you want to be an international successful game you cant just look at your homeland..

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JP players are almost 40% of the active player base.
If they're just a bit more active (like subbing for longer periods on average) or tackle the 24-man-raid more frequently they are indeed the more important peer group.
I.e. if those 217k japanese characters have a rate of 90% doing the 24-man regulary, but of the 328k western players only 75% even attempt it.
Consider that there are propably a lot more characters just for roleplay among the western players, rp'ing isn't that common in japan.
It's totally possible that western players have more alts on average: Then there might even be less western players overall than japanese ones.

Or if like 80% of them like the change, but only 70% of the western players dislike it => almost equilibrium of ppl disliking/liking it.

Also, what do ppl expect? When they get a lot of feedback regarding a specific thing from one area (JP, NA, EU) should they ask all other players first?
Unless it's totally obvious that such suggestion is disliked heavily by an even bigger amount of players (which may or may not be the case here), they will just do it and monitor the result. If it's a catastrophe there will be an emergency maintanance anyway.....


Who knows, maybe we get a few additional drops per run, just to compensate for the 'loss'... and suddenly the amount of runs some1 needs isnt really affected.

What was said in the Live Letter, now that it has been officially translated:

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We’re planning to set the loot rule for all alliance raids to “Greed Only” starting in Patch 4.3. We originally intended the alliance raid rewards to be a means for players to obtain gear for their secondary jobs; however, it is difficult for players to participate on these other jobs while wearing lower item level gear. This leads to many simply having to go as their main jobs which makes them unable to hit Need on the items they really wanted, resulting in needing to run the content multiple times. To resolve this issue, we have decided to limit the loot rule to “Greed Only,” making it possible for players to join as their main jobs, while being able to obtain gear for their secondary jobs.

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Still is not a solution to the issue, whereas one will still need to run 100 times while others once or twice but alrighty then SE

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[...] resulting in needing to run the content multiple times. To resolve this issue [...]

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My, if only there was a surefire solution to guarantee people get what they really want in a reasonable timeframe.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

My, if only there was a surefire solution to guarantee people get what they really want in a reasonable timeframe.

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And if only they actually tried to address the reason why people are running it multiple times, instead of making more people run it more times.

fighting not only rng of drops but now other people! WOOOOOO!!!

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sigh....

Meh imma do it weekly and ignore glamours like they never existed.
The devs should rlly stop being delusional bcuse of their kids that plays the game suffered from it(just a random assumption get the joke pls)

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

JP players are almost 40% of the active player base.

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Yes thus it makes them not even half of the playerbase.

In the end if they truly want to gear alts they could have gotten in there with them and roll need. Because again, if you dont like playing with that job why gear it up? And if you do play it then why not just run the 24 man with it? (And if its not even geared up enough to run the 24 man raid..then it seemingly is not that important otherwise one could have geared it up between the patches with for example Eureka)

I just dont expect them to change something, that was at least fair to most of us. Tanks had a longer queue but if the item finally showed up they would surely get it. Now tanks might still have a longer queue than Healers and DD but if the tank piece drops they have to roll against up to 7 people..

(And I dont take SE that seriously with feedback. I mean we got Diadem 2 out of Diadem 1 after quite a big amount of feedback..something that is even death in japan)

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Originally Posted by Nestama

What was said in the Live Letter, now that it has been officially translated:

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Well good luck for everyone else that wanted this for their main because they are not up to date because you might now lose it to someone that gears up another job which is not needed to play this game.

Also good luck to any new people that wants to gear with this raid but joins it when the weekly lock is away (or those that want glamour pieces)...when a lot of people will just roll greed on everything.

I hope the gear is ugly like the Rabanastre Raid gear so I don't feel compelled to farm them. There wasn't a single piece of gear in Rabanastre that I found appealing.

Also, Does anyone have any idea Why they would want to implement this idea?? Magic DPS already have a crazy hard time rolling for loot because everyone and their mother playes one

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Originally Posted by TristanBlane

Also, Does anyone have any idea Why they would want to implement this idea?? Magic DPS already have a crazy hard time rolling for loot because everyone and their mother playes one

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It seems that the reason was to help people with their other jobs to get gear. So that instead of having to run it with the job that you want gear with you can now run with the job you want to and get gear for the other jobs..its just sad because that hurts tanks and healers probably the most and it does not really guarantee that much of a bigger chance for the other people since you know might roll against more people. (Especially when the weekly lockout is gone) If they at least gave us tokens at the same time this would have felt less bad..so I agree with you, I really hope that the sets dont look so good otherwise farming that for glamour would be even more a nightmare than before..

They could have easily changed this without it being negative for others by introducing tokens.

Have daily tokens for the recent raid. This way you can get a piece of gear in the raid itself with need or greed and an extra piece per week if you run it each day. This would only be there if this is the most recent raid thus keeping olders still alive for glamour runs and as soon as a new raid comes out, the tokens will go to this new raid. This way you will help those with more than one job but keep it fair for the rest too. And for all of those that come later they can loot any item anyway for glamour and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

It seems that the reason was to help people with their other jobs to get gear.

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That's the issue right there. I get the reasoning, but as someone with other jobs, I'd just run at the other jobs and hope rng was in my favor. now they stripped even that away, I honestly won't be running the alliance raids as much anymore and it stinks cuz i need to play catch up atm...

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Originally Posted by silverlunarfox

That's the issue right there. I get the reasoning, but as someone with other jobs, I'd just run at the other jobs and hope rng was in my favor. now they stripped even that away, I honestly won't be running the alliance raids as much anymore and it stinks cuz i need to play catch up atm...

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Well they did say they are taking feedback on this so lets hope enough people don't like it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯