Anyone Sad about the games Decline

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Oh no, we actually do other things the game provides, how terrible of us to do so! Clearly it was wrong for SE to include these other systems and only provide raids raids raids as fast as the sleep deprived can get to them. Never mind the balance, where's Yiazmat's Mother!

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Right? Some people just can't see pass their own noses and always resort to name calling.

It's too early to tell if this game is declining or not because:

1) No one can provide actual statistics about the retention.
2) http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/10/...g-in-december/ They just got another 500k accounts on top of their previous million. We know there's at least 500k playing the game, but then you have the other 1 mil and probably at least 250k of them are still actively playing. so all together, at least 750k are active. ( All speculation)

That's why when people say the game is dead this early on ( 2 months) without proof is baffling to me personally.

About the 6 month mark, we will see how the game is really fairing.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

It's not really crowded, some zone's there are fewer players doing fates few shouts. The fact is the game is losing subs even if you wish to not admit it.

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I think you missed the part where they gained 500k sales in the last month alone. Maybe the newer people are just quieter?

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Originally Posted by Starlord

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This doesn't count bots which is probably a rather large number. Accounts since launch could technically mean P4 but I assume it doesn't. Out of that million it's not counting how many people never chose to sub and getting their free 30 days and have since quit or people that unsubbed already so the whole million thing can't really be trusted. I would say the actual number is easily below 500k. Even if it isn't, most of the people looking for a good PvE raiding environment will move on by the end of the year probably even further dwindling that number. It's been 3 months, P4 was release for all intents and purposes.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

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As much as I hate "counting" bots into the equation, They still have to "buy" a code don't they? Sure they can unsub and make a new account, but they would need a new code ( meaning buying the game) to login.

They are just as active as "Normal players" being active, it's just they are doing things illegally.

That aside, I feel like people are jumping the gun on the "Game is declining" type threads. Without bots, I say normally active by 6 month mark, should be around where SE was targeting in the first place 250-300k players. In the end, it's good news for SE.

As long as SE is making money off of anybody ( including bots) then really the bots are certainly apart in the equation.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

This doesn't count bots which is probably a rather large number. Accounts since launch could technically mean P4 but I assume it doesn't. Out of that million it's not counting how many people never chose to sub and getting their free 30 days and have since quit or people that unsubbed already so the whole million thing can't really be trusted. I would say the actual number is easily below 500k. Even if it isn't, most of the people looking for a good PvE raiding environment will move on by the end of the year probably even further dwindling that number. It's been 3 months, P4 was release for all intents and purposes.

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P4 was P4. You can't be selective and manipulate things to benefit your own argument. It's not even 2 full months yet since ARR release. Just over 2 months if we want to include EA, which we really shouldn't because that's not officially the "release".

It's ridiculous to expect people to stay, regardless of content availability. People will ALWAYS leave for reasons unrelated to content. Likewise, people will join for their own reasons. Even if it were under 500k active post-sub players, that's already a huge success to SE, given their low expectations from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by rowdey1

fact is SE messed up ... they skipped ilevel 80 gear which was supposed to be CT which was supposed to be in at launch ( they have stated this)

but they thought it was too hard and kept it back ... heres the problem with doin it now though people dont need ilevel80 gear to do coil we have passed 80 and went from 70 - 90 ... so adding ilevel80 gear now is just a waste of player and dev time.

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Not really. CT would do good for gearing up Alts.

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Originally Posted by Jre418

The game started off good but it just took a nose dive into the boring,easy and dull zone. From what I am reading on forums and when I last played the game it seems FF14 is starting to die. Square might say they have a ton of subs but alot of the player base is just not playing there accounts and waiting for there subs to end. Its bound to happen when you make a game that plays exactly like every other mmo on the market.

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When I still playing WoW, I didnt notice that Blizzard has lost 3 millions subscribers between Catalysm to Pandaria. What makes you think that you can notice a decline of this game?

want a quick picture of the games health? if you happen to be in a social FC that recruited lots of players and didn't have staff culling the old log out for room you can look at the member list and see just how many people have not logged in the last 2 weeks +.

if the number of people not logging in for that long or longer is greater than the number who have logged in the server you are on is losing players. (yes i know some of those will be alts.) doesn't matter for this.

also try signing in at really off time for your server and go to the three big fate zones and check out the visible population.

during the free month after launch dead time was still packed with players on shiva now we can do Svana's flight with 10-12 people and thats almost half the total population in the entire zone. Mordona (sp) is just as empty and the cerulium (sp) plant doesn't boast many either. dead time is usually where you see a decline in players first. rush hour hides it better. because you can't really see a lack till its a very large number have gone.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

Yep...this pretty much sums up everything. New content higher than Coil isn't even possible til 2.2, which is probably half a year away. I log on for 40 min a week, because there is nothing to do after clearing coil.

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I doubt that with 2.2 new content is coming that is higher than Coil.
Sure, new content is coming. But also Coil get new turns, making Coil still the highest content.

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Originally Posted by Mega_Man_U

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Don't see the point you are making here. 48 hours game time over 2 weeks or 2 days doesn't change a person from being a fat slob. That picture could just as well be you. The point still it you can max level in a short amount of time regardless of how that time is spread.

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Originally Posted by Jre418

The game started off good but it just took a nose dive into the boring,easy and dull zone. From what I am reading on forums and when I last played the game it seems FF14 is starting to die. Square might say they have a ton of subs but alot of the player base is just not playing there accounts and waiting for there subs to end. Its bound to happen when you make a game that plays exactly like every other mmo on the market.

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WTB a Thumbs down button,

your very wrong, it's not even close to dieing, I been playing none stop and have seen crowds of ppl everywhere. clearly your the only one not logging in, thus not seeing ppl in FFXIV.
now please go away, we don't need your trolling. shooooo

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Originally Posted by Onolock

The point still it you can max level in a short amount of time regardless of how that time is spread.

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Only if you rush. No matter how you want to see it, there's no way to get a fully DL geared 50 in a week without rushing.

EDIT: Actually, there is. You're either rushing or playing 12 hours a day.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I doubt that with 2.2 new content is coming that is higher than Coil.
Sure, new content is coming. But also Coil get new turns, making Coil still the highest content.

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We know updates will come to Coil and CT and extreme primals and possibly still BL(if this isn't higher than coil, their dev team is pretty much retarded) If most of that doesn't come with 2.2, then the game is ever worse off. Releasing new content with the same gear level that already dropped or worse makes no sense and is terrible design...so the new turns dropping 90 gear would be ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Mega_Man_U

Only if you rush. No matter how you want to see it, there's no way to get a fully DL/AF2 geared 50 in a week without rushing.

EDIT: Actually, there is. You're either rushing or playing 12 hours a day.

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Max level =/= gearing up. Invalid point.

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Originally Posted by calamityz

Max level =/= gearing up. Invalid point.

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Have to get to 50 first before getting stuff for your level 50. It's part of the process.

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Originally Posted by calamityz

Max level =/= gearing up. Invalid point.

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How is it invalid when the post I quoted said:

"Fun fact, it was. Also WoW lasted a lot longer leveling wise and gearing up to even get into MC. Where as FFXIV you could level and gear up in a week and walk into Coil. "

Well, of course you can level and gear up in a week. It all depends how many hours a week we're talking about.

Ultimately the discussion is useless, because if you play 12 hours a week and finish the game and I play 3 hours a day and I still have things to do after a month and a half, then both of us are doing things 'right'. It's just that only those who already ran out of things to do (or still have them but just don't want to) seem to be complaining about it all the time.

Problems that I currently see:
Repeated bug issues with Turn 5
Beautiful Halloween event, but extremely simple/dull compared to XI or even 1.0 events that actually involved using half a brain
Smaller zones means much more competition for farming (particularly diremite web and fleece, despite the addition of a few more camps for each)
Releasing iLvl 90 content (Coil) before iLvl 80 content (Crystal Tower). Sure the latter is 24-man content, but higher likelihood of inferior drops given the lower item level
Releasing way too much content for level 50, meaning they're going to need to add that much more content when they finally raise the level cap
Black mage is even worse than it was towards the end of 1.0
Removal of a working auto-sort system for inventory
Instead of adding to the auto-translate, they've reduced it drastically since 1.0
Addition of an annoying system menu that pops up if you hit escape too much instead of keeping all the menu items in one easy-to-access location

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Have to get to 50 first before getting stuff for your level 50. It's part of the process.

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Which can be done within a matter of 48 hours...not really getting the argument being made here. Plenty of guilds on our server all took days off to play and get to 50 and compete to get into coil and clear it the fastest. We are playing the game wrong and are fat slobs? Is that what is trying to be pointed out lol? Most hardcore gamers now a days have full time jobs and school and families, making personal assumptions about people you will never know or meet is just showing your immaturity. No matter how fast anyone gets to max level or gear has nothing to do with the fact the game has no content and can be cleared in less than an hour.

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Originally Posted by Jre418

The game started off good but it just took a nose dive into the boring,easy and dull zone. From what I am reading on forums and when I last played the game it seems FF14 is starting to die. Square might say they have a ton of subs but alot of the player base is just not playing there accounts and waiting for there subs to end. Its bound to happen when you make a game that plays exactly like every other mmo on the market.

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Setting aside the fact that your grammar made my eyes bleed, you also need to pass around some of that good stuff you're smoking, because I want to try some of those fantastic hallucinations as well.

The servers are bursting full, on mine I can't have a day in which I don't find queues. The game at the moment offers the best quality over the rest of the MMORPG market, hands down, and people recognize it. The only ones that will quit are the usual hoppers that grind a new MMO 12 hours a day, seven days a week at launch, run out of stuff to do, and then go play something else. They represent a vastly overwhelmed minority in a MMO population, and they're entirely irrelevant.

The only thing I'm sad about is seeing nonsensical threads like this one and having to wade through excruciating grammar in order to understand what they say. Only to find out that it wasn't worth it.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

Which can be done within a matter of 48 hours...not really getting the argument being made here. Plenty of guilds on our server all took days off to play and get to 50 and compete to get into coil and clear it the fastest. We are playing the game wrong and are fat slobs?

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Yes. If you take days off work to play a MMORPG at launch and grind all the content in a matter of days, and then complain because you have nothing left to do, the problem is on your side, not with the game.

I won't make assumptions on your body mass, but the fact that you're complaining about a situation you created all by yourself is evident.

You also represent an overwhelmed minority of the player base, making your complaints pretty much irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Onolock

Which can be done within a matter of 48 hours...not really getting the argument being made here. Plenty of guilds on our server all took days off to play and get to 50 and compete to get into coil and clear it the fastest. We are playing the game wrong and are fat slobs? Is that what is trying to be pointed out lol? Most hardcore gamers now a days have full time jobs and school and families, making personal assumptions about people you will never know or meet is just showing your immaturity. No matter how fast anyone gets to max level or gear has nothing to do with the fact the game has no content and can be cleared in less than an hour.

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Honest question then:

If you're the kind of person who can beat all the content currently available in a week, how much do you think any new content will last you? I mean, we have to assume that a game with 4 times the content this one currently has would only last you a month.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Setting aside the fact that your grammar made my eyes bleed, you also need to pass around some of that good stuff you're smoking, because I want to try some of those fantastic hallucinations as well.


The servers are bursting full, on mine I can't have a day in which I don't find queues. The game at the moment offers the best quality over the rest of the MMORPG market, hands down, and people recognize it. The only ones that will quit are the usual hoppers that grind a new MMO 12 hours a day, seven days a week at launch, run out of stuff to do, and then go play something else. They represent a vastly overwhelmed minority in a MMO population, and they're entirely irrelevant.

The only thing I'm sad about is seeing nonsensical threads like this one and having to wade through excruciating grammar in order to understand what they say. Only to find out that it wasn't worth it.

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A white knight if I've ever seen one, or SE PR lol.

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Originally Posted by velrek2013

A white knight if I've ever seen one, or SE PR lol.

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Or maybe someone that has seen this industry evolve from its outset and has recognized how irrelevant threads like this one are, as much as the people that grind a MMORPG at launch at exaggerated paces only to find themselves with nothing to do and a long wait ahead. They're in no shape or form representative of the majority of MMORPG players, and whether they stay or go is pretty much inconsequential.

Slapping some much needed realism in your face has nothing to do with working in PR, my friend. But do keep whining. It can be amusing in small doses, and the doses are quite obviously small compared to the hundreds of thousands that are playing the game without needlessly rushing and having fun.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Or maybe someone that has seen this industry evolve from its outset, has recognized how irrelevant threads like this are, as much as the people that grind a MMORPG at launch at exaggerated paces only to find themselves with nothing to do and a long wait ahead. They're in no shape or form representative of the majority of MMORPG players, and whether they stay or go is pretty much inconsequential.

Slapping some much needed realism in your face has nothing to do with working in PR, my friend.

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People said that about 1.0 too. Just stop assuming just because you like the game and can't agree with different opinions. It'll make you a better person overall.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Or maybe someone that has seen this industry evolve from its outset and has recognized how irrelevant threads like this one are, as much as the people that grind a MMORPG at launch at exaggerated paces only to find themselves with nothing to do and a long wait ahead. They're in no shape or form representative of the majority of MMORPG players, and whether they stay or go is pretty much inconsequential.

Slapping some much needed realism in your face has nothing to do with working in PR, my friend. But do keep whining. It can be amusing in small doses, and the doses are quite obviously small compared to the hundreds of thousands that are playing the game without needlessly rushing and having fun.

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I'm not your friend buddy.

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Originally Posted by calamityz

People said that about 1.0 too. Just stop assuming just because you like the game and can't agree with different opinions. It'll make you a better person overall.

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There are opinions with which I don't agree, and opinions that simply don't make sense. This one is of the second kind.

But maybe you should tell that to the one that tried to discount my opinion by accusing me to be a a white knight or "PR" (lolz), because he has absolutely no arguments to logically counter it. But obviously you're not going to do that, because you happen to agree with his skewed view. Hypocrisy much? :D

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Originally Posted by velrek2013

I'm not your friend buddy.

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That's most certainly your problem, not mine.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's most certainly your problem, not mine.

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You clearly missed the joke =/

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Originally Posted by Onolock

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If your a person like me and barely does FATEs and also doesn't play like a hardcore plays, then no, it doesn't take 48 hours.

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Originally Posted by velrek2013

You clearly missed the joke =/

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He's not your buddy, pal!

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Or maybe someone that has seen this industry evolve from its outset and has recognized how irrelevant threads like this one are, as much as the people that grind a MMORPG at launch at exaggerated paces only to find themselves with nothing to do and a long wait ahead. They're in no shape or form representative of the majority of MMORPG players, and whether they stay or go is pretty much inconsequential.

Slapping some much needed realism in your face has nothing to do with working in PR, my friend. But do keep whining. It can be amusing in small doses, and the doses are quite obviously small compared to the hundreds of thousands that are playing the game without needlessly rushing and having fun.

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if this game was rocking even half as much as you imply your post wouldn't be supported by so few other posters, during the beta and early release you'd have at least 20-30 same minded poster parroting your words. there definitely is a decline My server has definitely reduced numbers (not just a few but noticeable amounts less players NOT MORE!)
some are expected to leave post free period like always in any game but the bleeding doesn't stop there and the lack of support your position is getting is another visible sign things are not all ice cream and sprinkles.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Tro...19_1264966.jpg

Oh Gee I wonder where OP went.

Can't believe it, this happens all the time in every place on the net where people populate and talk, and everyone always takes the bait. -sigh-

this topic is the prime example of why it's a bad idea on SE's part to restrict full forum access to people who have a lvl 50

it makes people who have a lvl 50 think they are the vast majority

To anyone leaving this game,

We'll see you in 6 months shouting in toll for an il100 dungeon with Darklight on and everyone going "lawl, Darklight"

Or maybe his opinion is supported by the fact that the amount who post on these boards is miniscule compared to the amount of people who actually play

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Originally Posted by CatofNineTails

if this game was rocking even half as much as you imply your post wouldn't be supported by so few other posters, during the beta and early release you'd have at least 20-30 same minded poster parroting your words. there definitely is a decline My server has definitely reduced numbers (not just a few but noticeable amounts less players NOT MORE!)
some are expected to leave post free period like always in any game but the bleeding doesn't stop there and the lack of support your position is getting is another visible sign things are not all ice cream and sprinkles.

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If only this game was released with 2.1 patch....there wouldn't be so many complaints about things to do at level cap; they should have waited until 2.1 and released it then imo. Game feels...incomplete. I think a few of us are a bit tired of MMO devs doing the whole ploy of hoping people will continue to sub on a 'promise' of new content...as long as you keep paying. SWToR did the same thing and look how that turned out.

I like this game, I really do. I see the potential!

But I don't like the limited end game as of right now. Hopefulley 2.1 saves the day. If not, there is new MMOs on the way like TESO and EQ Next which look to actually break from the 'lets clone wow!' mentality that has plagued this genre for almost a decade.

Until then, I do my mythos cap...maybe run the DF for some gil then head on over to GW2 for the rest of the week so it's all good, right?

I see the problem is even if they had started the game with all that is in 2.1 in about two three weeks from now there would be people complaing about why its taking so long for the new version of what 2.1 would be. Probably with a post similar to yours about how they should have waited till that 2.1 content was added.

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Originally Posted by Roaminggnome

Or maybe his opinion is supported by the fact that the amount who post on these boards is miniscule compared to the amount of people who actually play

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except that has not been true since Alpha. the percentage of the game "has no faults" has always been the great majority of the forum posters.
any thread which in any way criticizes the game is immediately swamped with "you don't know XXXX GTFO!" or "WTF are you talking about? the game has ...." ....etc....
this does not take a break when the game is live yet the amount of people who come to the games defense has dropped off considerably since the free period has ended.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

To anyone leaving this game,

We'll see you in 6 months shouting in toll for an il100 dungeon with Darklight on and everyone going "lawl, Darklight"

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The issue won't be these guys, it will be having enough new players coming through to run dungeons with each other or getting higher geared players to drop down a couple of notches to help them.

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Originally Posted by CatofNineTails

except that has not been true since Alpha. the percentage of the game "has no faults" has always been the great majority of the forum posters.
any thread which in any way criticizes the game is immediately swamped with "you don't know XXXX GTFO!" or "WTF are you talking about? the game has ...." ....etc....
this does not take a break when the game is live yet the amount of people who come to the games defense has dropped off considerably since the free period has ended.

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I'm tempted to write down all the people bashing the game for lack of content and all the people defending the "lack of content issue." and see which group has more. I will be using it by users not number of posts. I have a feeling more people have disagreed with you than agreeing.

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Originally Posted by CatofNineTails

except that has not been true since Alpha. the percentage of the game "has no faults" has always been the great majority of the forum posters.
any thread which in any way criticizes the game is immediately swamped with "you don't know XXXX GTFO!" or "WTF are you talking about? the game has ...." ....etc....
this does not take a break when the game is live yet the amount of people who come to the games defense has dropped off considerably since the free period has ended.

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Or people just get tired of the same "this game is stupid and my opinion is the only valid one, if you disagree then your just a white knight/fanboy" threads and dont bother responding as much anymore. Reduction in forum defense posts does not really reflect game population....hell forum period doesnt, as a major portion of population rarely touch forums.