If you are going to do a Live Letter

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Originally Posted by Makeda

/facepalm...

Tell me you aren’t actually that flat of a person... if it’s obvious that a number is not possible then maybe consider its being for the purpose of exaggeration...

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Hey, it wasnt my fault, you had worded it in a way that made it not clear that it was an exaggeration, just misleading. "80-103% of WoW players are Chinese, yet they still do everything in English"
What stats I could find makes it seem like it's more of a 40-60 split, with 40% being Chinese, with people doubting if the 40% is even accurate, due to the large amount of gil farming bots.
You're facepalm at me, but you made me do an even larger facepalm with your original comment XD

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

Which is technically the point of contention. And why since a long while I have been partisan of just dropping live letters and do the content in a more "Nintendo Direct" Format with actual details instead of 3 hrs of ambiguous banter with very few things disclosed because its spoiler/surprise/secret/shenanigans. Even more so if its condition seems to be "Yoshi has to say it".



I do appreciate the people who go out of their way to translate as much as they do, but you'd think SE would put a bit more effort in the translation/summary being available sooner, if not dev blogs with hints.

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I'll admit that they should have had a summed up dev blog entry coinciding with the PLL released minutes after. Maybe have it written before hand for the main details and leave the Saito/Taro notes in an edit.

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Originally Posted by Aurelius2625

They are talking about a major update to game that you play each month for a subscription. This is important information for you to decide whether or not you will CONTINUE to SUBSCRIBE and pay for this service. If you don't have the information to make that decision, how can you decide whether to sub or not?

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Personally, I always get enough information just from reading the slides, whether or not there is English translation. That's why I don't see it as a big deal, especially when there is usually an unofficial translation that gets the idea across and they will eventually release an official English digest.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

There's more complaining in this thread than there is on the entirety of the Japanese side of the forums.

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They don't complain on the forums. Have a visit to 2chan or unofficial forums and you'll find JP is not nearly as saintly and quiet as people like to portray.

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Originally Posted by Noitems

I'll admit that they should have had a summed up dev blog entry coinciding with the PLL released minutes after. Maybe have it written before hand for the main details and leave the Saito/Taro notes in an edit.

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This is entirely my opinion so feel free to flame it but:

The way I see LLPs at this point is more of Yoshi having to be "the first" to reveal/disclose to the players/audience information or be the face of it. And while I understand that he's the face that revided the game, that age is long passed. LLPs are 1-2 hrs that can usually be summed up in 20 mins or (very much likely) less since he tries to keep things as vague as possible to not take away from the hype until said patch.

I'd rather see a "Nintendo Direct"-like format maybe 2 weeks before every patch, detailing what's coming for the actual patch it addresses. They keep the hype train, they can have it available in various languages and I am sure its less time consuming and taxing for Yoshi, Foxclon and the gang.

For something like the chat with Taro? Similar to a podcast interaction and the like.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

They don't complain on the forums. Have a visit to 2chan or unofficial forums and you'll find JP is not nearly as saintly and quiet as people like to portray.

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Always amusing people think the JP community doesn't carry salt bags with them. "The grass is always greener on the other side" alright.

As a longtime fan of FFXIV, I had no issues with the first half of the LL, however I was completely baffled by the second half.

If a translator was impractical, maybe they should have structured the second half differently. But spending 1 hour talking about some important stuff about the creators in a language that less than half the playerbase would understand came out as completely disrespectful and misguided.

Who do you think is going to watch these streams? That's right, probably the most devoted fans. And here they're basically telling these fans that they don't really care about them.

And for those saying that they announced that audio was Japanese only - that is fine, but where exactly did it say that most of the LL would be audio-only, and thus completely useless to anyone not speaking Japanese?

I think they need to rethink how these LL are structured.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

This is entirely my opinion so feel free to flame it but:


The way I see LLPs at this point is more of Yoshi having to be "the first" to reveal/disclose to the players/audience information or be the face of it. And while I understand that he's the face that revided the game, that age is long passed. LLPs are 1-2 hrs that can usually be summed up in 20 mins or (very much likely) less since he tries to keep things as vague as possible to not take away from the hype until said patch.


I'd rather see a "Nintendo Direct"-like format maybe 2 weeks before every patch, detailing what's coming for the actual patch it addresses. They keep the hype train, they can have it available in various languages and I am sure its less time consuming and taxing for Yoshi, Foxclon and the gang.


For something like the chat with Taro? Similar to a podcast interaction and the like.

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Not at all, everyone is allowed to an opinion.

I'm sure part of it is SE wanting them to be the main source of the info, with experiences like Blufever being frowned upon by him since they take the wind out of their sails. They could def manage to sum it up since it seems like they play it by ear and many people do lose interest from over time. Heck I could honestly hear the people in my discord just wonder when it would end since it did go on a bit.

I'd say for most people the PLL is just the slides, and they could def do with making them much faster, since that is the meat for many people. I'm not sure on Yoshi-P, Foxclon and everyone else's opinions on doing the PLL but to me I really enjoy them because of that stuff. There's something about seeing them actually take the time out of their day to be on stream, sometimes they read the comments on stream and make their own, or we get things like the banished IT guy from the Shadowbringers battle change PLL.

I don't know of too many devs who would go that far to relay the information in the way they do, but since the game itself is a MMO I think they want to make as personal as possible. I do love the Direct style things and I think in some ways they should adopt that as like an update style for 5.05 or so, but the PLL is something nice to have at least imo.

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Originally Posted by Noitems

I don't know of too many devs who would go that far to relay the information in the way they do, but since the game itself is a MMO I think they want to make as personal as possible. I do love the Direct style things and I think in some ways they should adopt that as like an update style for 5.05 or so, but the PLL is something nice to have at least imo.

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I agree a PLL/LLP is always nice to see ever so often. But much of it could easily be better in an offline format. and maybe keep the live ones for the big events like fan fests and the mediatour hypes?


For everything else, there's mastercard. /joke

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Originally Posted by Noitems

The PLL was present at Tokyo Game Show, in Japan, where people mainly speak Japanese. While the game itself stretches across the world Japan is the main audience so they're going to speak plainly to them first and foremost.

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Ok so the next Gamescon will be held in German only, no big deal right...? And we dont need Japanese on the next E3 as english is enough... lol

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Fairly certain the implication here is referring to your comment about English being easy. English isn’t an easy language to for non-natives to learn. It’s actually fairly annoying. And I say that as a native English speaker. There’s a lot of rules and exceptions that may not make sense - and pronunciation isn’t always as straightforward as it could be. Comparing it to Japanese, English pronunciation is kind of a mess.

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Im sry it was rly late >_>

It is, hands down. I learned it a bit in school but most of it i learned from reading stuff, watching anime or other shows and music... And as a native german speaker with some english - and one spanish - firends who learned german I can tell its hard enough.

But even IF you dont understand it at all, which IMO should be a basic to some level when playing online in mixed servers, you rather got someone to translate that then japanese.

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Originally Posted by Brill_

Paying customers wanting access to the same information players in Japan are getting...how entitled. :rolleyes:

I understand it was a Tokyo show, it makes 100% sense that there was no live translation. The problem is it takes them 2-3 weeks to get the english digest released. I don't see why they can't have a summary release within 2-3 days of the live letter.

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This. We, or at least I, dont expect live subs, heck im fine if i dont get any at all, rly, its ok, but the info stuff that is fixed could have the translation imidiatly and not 3 weeks later. I remember that long ago we got that a lot faster...

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

What I wrote to HyoMinPark also applies to you. Not to mention that you clearly have no idea about how these things works. While the LL is scripted, they don't memorize nor read what they say, so you'll lose all the little tibdits that they mention quite often anyway. What's the matter with waiting for them to post the translated LL summary just this once? Aren't they offering a live translation on every other LL?

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Also, no, while most european children learn english at school, you would be surprised by the amount of them that have literally no clue about properly speaking in or understanding spoken english once they grow up. Because most of them don't use it on their daily lives, and they don't get the required practice and even forget it.

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Uhm what? Im sry but rly, whut?? EVERYTHING they gonna talk about is planned, the freaking patch is fixed. Again im not demanding a full live subbed or english event, but the info they are gonna talk about, examples they gonna make, even vague, THAT is planned and so they could prepare at least a english version for that, like we used to have within few days.


I know that very well, as said most my english i learned myself but playing an online game should kinda let you use it at least a bit, even more nowadays with all the youtubers and whatever the kids have lol

And the school problem overall is another story, its just sad if ppl cant even calculate the m² they need to put out a flooring...



And yes sry i had to beat this dead horse as i was all day working without even a break, so sry if i got harsh or anything... it just lately feels empty, we dont even get some comunity streams... a weekly or bi weekly one to do some fights or stuff... like that would cost them anything... and then we dont even get info fast, despite them having to translate it anyways... *sight*

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Ok so the next Gamescon will be held in German only, no big deal right...? And we dont need Japanese on the next E3 as english is enough... lol

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The reason I bring that point up is the game is developed in Japan, it's a Japanese game being shown at a Japanese specific gaming convention. Japan will always be the target demographic for the game, so much so that content like Eureka's Baldesion Arsenal was developed with the Japanese pug mindset to heart. They'll always put them first so to have them do a live letter in Japanese purely for the ease of access in Japan isn't too far fetched or absurd.

We can all agree that it wasn't the best for them to not have an English digest released along side the stream. However the slides basically showed you everything you really need to know at the time in English that a future dev blog will cover. That's the majority of what people care for in the game. The Nier banter stuff is thankfully archived due to the Subreddit and will most likely be touched upon in the Dev Blog post for it. Honestly the only real pieces of data shown during that were a couple of screenshots from the raid, mob/boss+arena design, the music piece (which was also titled in English), and the Patch Art. Which you can expect all of that in a digest post soon.

At this point I think it's just fine to let it go, and just read it through reddit to get your updates for this one specific PLL, until the dev blog puts up their entry. If a situation happens like this again on their own personal PLL (not at a Japanese convention) then I would be more concerned. For now I'll chalk this up to they assumed everyone would be getting the translation in some kind of way, especially considering the titles for the questions in the Nier talk was entirely in English.

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Originally Posted by Noitems

If a situation happens like this again on their own personal PLL (not at a Japanese convention) then I would be more concerned.

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What do you mean? I don't think they provide live translation if it's held in Japan regardless if it's at an event or their office, exceptions being for things like Q&A like the last live letter.

It would be perfect if they at least provided english subs on the live letter. Otherwise, I'll just continue to ignore those letters, since I don't speak japanese and I won't learn it just to understand.

And S-E not caring about me is the norm and I'm sued to it. S-E never held or took part on any event in my country, the nearest server from me is 9k+ kilometers (or 5.6k+ miles) away (which have a heavy impact on latency), there isn't any plans to launch a client translated to my native language, I'm excluded from some contests involving prizes because of where I am. Alas, S-E only remembered that my country exists just to charge more at Steam. And all I wanted is some english subtitles for one piece of content S-E releases in japanese, even he's speaking from France, Germany or US.

Why do I have to depend on fan translations to even know what is happening or have to wait a week to know, just when the discussion is long over? Sure, this game was released by a japanese company, thinking on a japanese audience. But there are players from every corner of the freaking world, not just Japan, even places where Yoshi-P will never set his foot on, like South America or Africa. And what is being told at that moment can change the playing experience from everyone, not just japanese people.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

It would be perfect if they at least provided english subs on the live letter. Otherwise, I'll just continue to ignore those letters, since I don't speak japanese and I won't learn it just to understand.

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Rewind a few pages and see: Not scripted. Aimi, the usual translator, is around for NA events like E3 and where they have enough time to speak English/JP. She even translated for Nomura during the KH3 ReMind DLC trailer. Please recognize what goes into these thing before a knee jerk reaction.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

I'd rather see a "Nintendo Direct"-like format maybe 2 weeks before every patch, detailing what's coming for the actual patch it addresses. They keep the hype train, they can have it available in various languages and I am sure its less time consuming and taxing for Yoshi, Foxclon and the gang.

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You have that already in the slides that they showed at the very start of the LL. You have the information there already, so there's no need to take anything away from the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Uhm what? Im sry but rly, whut?? EVERYTHING they gonna talk about is planned, the freaking patch is fixed. Again im not demanding a full live subbed or english event, but the info they are gonna talk about, examples they gonna make, even vague, THAT is planned and so they could prepare at least a english version for that, like we used to have within few days.

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The banter that they had on the second half was not heavily scripted. Yes, they have bullet points about what they're going to do and talk on the LL, but most of the second half was dynamic and pure improvisation. And that's what some people want them to translate too, and what makes no sense in this context. The actual patch information was already in english on the slides that they showed right at the beginning. So what, some people are freaking out because the devs had some fun talking in a relaxed way in a local event and they felt left out, despite it being nigh impossible to properly translate it live without affecting the flow for the crowd there?

Look, I agree that they should release the digest faster, as I said, or at least tell us why it always takes this long to have it done (there must be a reason, I guess). But I can't agree with the people demanding them to translate the LL directly in this specific case, or even change/remove the LLs as we know them.

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ou have that already in the slides that they showed at the very start of the LL. You have the information there already,

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Yes, bullet points are the exact same thing as the reasoning behind them and expanded explanation of what they mean. How could anyone not know that.


I'll say it again, if a group of RPG speedrunners can put together French, Spanish and German re-streams in a 2 week window,and be on a delay of seconds for the entirety of a 3-day event while translating entirely on the fly, one of the largest MMO developers in the world should be able to do the same with a script and slide notes that necessarily had to be done ahead of time, given that they already employ people who do this as their job.

Some of you over react, lol
The patch is only in October, many dps jobs are not even getting looked at or fixed so was is the big deal?
Translation will be out soon. And as noted slides did have English writing

Didn't read the thread, but my 2 cents:

None of the Live Letters are on-the-fly. They have lines and it's rehearsed, if only basically. Even at an event like Tokyo Game Show, I can't see why they can't have subtitles or something for each of the major languages ahead of time. Especially with these special guest interviews - it's basically telling everyone that isn't Japanese to just turn off the screen and go read the unofficial translations (which can contain errors and whatnot because of the nature of on-the-fly translating).

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

You have that already in the slides that they showed at the very start of the LL. You have the information there already, so there's no need to take anything away from the rest of us.

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What exactly is being taken away when this live letter was mostly **redacted** until the second half, leaving everything to guesswork, akin to the interviews done with Japanese game media outlets? Very few things got clarity and the only takeaway is that Yoko Taro is a creature that we must protect at all costs.


So, let us not cling to Taro, Saito and Okabe's sense of humor to mark an exception. They are fully aware that the community does most of the translation and they are making the most of that, just like with a lot of other things in the game.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

What exactly is being taken away when this live letter was mostly **redacted** until the second half, leaving everything to guesswork, akin to the interviews done with Japanese game media outlets? Very few things got clarity and the only takeaway is that Yoko Taro is a creature that we must protect at all costs.


So, let us not cling to Taro, Saito and Okabe's sense of humor to mark an exception. They are fully aware that the community does most of the translation and they are making the most of that, just like with a lot of other things in the game.

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Also, Taaro knows he's got western fans quite well. Will add anyone who friends him on Facebook. It's not even a business facebook either.And yet Grimoire Noir- to my knowledge, was never translated officially. Nor the VERY IMPORTANT CD dramas, YorHa stage plays and Automate Orchestra content. All of which are canon and vital to many aspects to the story.

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Originally Posted by Barraind

Yes, bullet points are the exact same thing as the reasoning behind them and expanded explanation of what they mean. How could anyone not know that.


I'll say it again, if a group of RPG speedrunners can put together French, Spanish and German re-streams in a 2 week window,and be on a delay of seconds for the entirety of a 3-day event while translating entirely on the fly, one of the largest MMO developers in the world should be able to do the same with a script and slide notes that necessarily had to be done ahead of time, given that they already employ people who do this as their job.

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Read the rest of the post that you quoted.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

What exactly is being taken away when this live letter was mostly **redacted** until the second half, leaving everything to guesswork, akin to the interviews done with Japanese game media outlets? Very few things got clarity and the only takeaway is that Yoko Taro is a creature that we must protect at all costs.


So, let us not cling to Taro, Saito and Okabe's sense of humor to mark an exception. They are fully aware that the community does most of the translation and they are making the most of that, just like with a lot of other things in the game.

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Aimi-san, who has been acting as the translator on the previous LLs that weren't done from a japanese event, is not a community member.

And about the other stuff, what did you want, the full patch notes already? They have been announcing patches like this for years, and it works. At least they show us what's about to come ahead of time in a more personal way, unlike other MMO devs, and we always get the provisional patch notes ahead of the actual patch. Also, and this is what I was talking about, many of us enjoy the more relaxed vibe and the conversations that they have outside of the scripted things -which is not something specific to Taro, Saito and Okabe-, which would be lost if they did what you asked for (which is exactly what I quoted from your other post, where you said that you would rather have a "Nintendo Direct"-like format than the current one). In fact, when the LL gets translated on site, part of that gets lost already due to the lack of flow and the less improvisation. We reached a compromise already, but apparently that's not enough for some.

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

Aimi-san, who has been acting as the translator on the previous LLs that weren't done from a japanese event, is not a community member.

And about the other stuff, what did you want, the full patch notes already? They have been announcing patches like this for years, and it works. At least they show us what's about to come ahead of time in a more personal way, unlike other MMO devs, and we always get the provisional patch notes ahead of the actual patch. Also, and this is what I was talking about, many of us enjoy the more relaxed vibe and the conversations that they have outside of the scripted things -which is not something specific to Taro, Saito and Okabe-, which would be lost if they did what you asked for (which is exactly what I quoted from your other post, where you said that you would rather have a "Nintendo Direct"-like format than the current one). In fact, when the LL gets translated on site, part of that gets lost already due to the lack of flow and the less improvisation. We reached a compromise already, but apparently that's not enough for some.

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So just because they have done it for years, it can't be considered as an issue, even more so when they have a growing audience that might not be keen to their practices? Again, if you saw the rest of my follow ups, I address the "banter" section as a different option akin to a pod cast or similar format. But lets lose ourselves in throwing extremes on the table for the sake of argument.


Patch notes even on full release are still kept ambiguous at times due to "reasons" and I am ok with it. My issue is that we get 2 LLPs per patch that amount to 4~ hrs of content which could be presented in better formats to save them time, last LLP with the QA Yoshi looked like he didn't even want to be there anymore. They are nice but they definitely should consider other formats to deliver content that doesn't put so much pressure on one single person.


The reason why I suggest something like a direct is that it would present things in a format that can be enjoyed, allow them for translations and not be so taxing to one or two individuals.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

So just because they have done it for years, it can't be considered as an issue, even more so when they have a growing audience that might not be keen to their practices? Again, if you saw the rest of my follow ups, I address the "banter" section as a different option akin to a pod cast or similar format. But lets lose ourselves in throwing extremes on the table for the sake of argument.


Patch notes even on full release are still kept ambiguous at times due to "reasons" and I am ok with it. My issue is that we get 2 LLPs per patch that amount to 4~ hrs of content which could be presented in better formats to save them time, last LLP with the QA Yoshi looked like he didn't even want to be there anymore. They are nice but they definitely should consider other formats to deliver content that doesn't put so much pressure on one single person.


The reason why I suggest something like a direct is that it would present things in a format that can be enjoyed, allow them for translations and not be so taxing to one or two individuals.

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So, basically you say that they look tired (they do), but you want them to do even more work. The things that you suggest would add even more workload for everyone currently involved on the LLs (which is not just one or two individuals, anyway): more thinking, more planning, more writing, more translating, more talking... And for what? Because some people don't have enough with knowing what the patch will bring when the devs feel confident enough to talk about it? Because these same people don't agree with the current format that many others like and enjoy, and that have liked and enjoyed for years (this is what I said, not that they can't change it simply because they've done it for years)? Keep in mind that everything that we see on the LLs is still WIP, that's why sometimes they go into more details -if they're sure that it will be like that once the patch drops- and sometimes they don't. We know that they work on a tight schedule, and we have seen that most of the time they can barely make it in time (and that's when they do). We are not kept in the dark, we always know the full details of the patches before we get to play them, with the LL, the patch website, the dev blog, and the provisional patch notes.

Almost no other developer does this amount of communication about what they're working on (DE does live streams on Twitch for Warframe too, and they release exactly the same amount of information that SE does on the LLs, and sometimes less). Do you know what would be easier for Yoshi-P and company's health? To not do any of this, and just do what everyone else does: a couple of blog posts here and there and call it a day. But they want to communicate personally with the players, and instead of appreciating it people keep demanding more and more. This all started because the devs dared to attend the Tokyo Game Show and not translate every little detail, despite the actual patch information -that everyone else got the same way- being in perfect english, and despite the previous LLs and events (like the lore stream with the lead writers) having Aimi-san translating everything in real time. But it seems that people conveniently forget about that. Being at a japanese event with limited time and a live non-english speaking crowd, and not translate every minor thing right there and right now is terrible for some, it seems. Next time they should IP ban the stream on the second half, as that might make those people happy (seeing how some advocated for the removal of the LLs and just do a pre-recorded thing -for an event nonetheless-, I guess that making them unable to watch would be a solution /s).

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

last LLP with the QA Yoshi looked like he didn't even want to be there anymore. .

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And that's not the first time he has looked like he doesn't want to do them.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

And that's not the first time he has looked like he doesn't want to do them.

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People's expressions and "how they look" is entirely subjective. Especially when people with autism can outright not pick up on certain things or social quirks.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

So just because they have done it for years, it can't be considered as an issue, even more so when they have a growing audience that might not be keen to their practices?

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That growing audience will get used to it.

Also this Live Letter was an oddity, talking place at 9:00PM PT on a Saturday so maybe new players in America got the misconception that it was airing at prime time for them on purpose, but they typically happen at like 3:00AM PT when the majority of Americans are sleeping and I assume Europeans are mostly at work/school around then, so having live translation for the handful of insomniacs/layabouts able to tune in doesn't really seem worthwhile.

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All I know is that for the largest part, Live Letters have been entertaining and insightful, allowing us to get a sneak peak for what's to come, gossip and get hype over.

These last two LLs, however, have been an utter bust (subjective).

It made me question why I was staying up until 1AM+ EST (later for most LLs) for just "it's a secret" on the primal and ultimate raids and everything that would have been interesting be completely in Japanese. We already knew QoL changes were coming to gathering at least. "Just read the [unofficial] translations." Yeah. I can - but I could have gotten sleep and not feel a bit chaffed at the same time had I known that's all the recent LLs, and maybe going forward, are going to be (after all, once is an out-layer, two in a row is concerning and three will be a trend).

I'm not even being entitled and asking for something that's completely out of the blue or beyond what they could do. At least, I don't think I am. The LLs do eventually get officially translated and posted, meaning the work gets done [at some point] anyway.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I just find it bad too that we dont at least get a full english translation.

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We do. We just don't get the full translation of everything said live. We get all the important information live the day of the live letter in the form of slides.

That's what makes all this entitled whinging so funny... people are complaining about not having translations for useless (if somewhat funny) banter. Everything said by Yoshida, Morbol, Saito-san or Yoko Taro that was important was on the slides. Everything else was just essentially small talk and jokes.

This is a 17 page monstrosity about absolutely nothing. Apparently all the people not doing Savage (or who have cleared it) are bored and can't find anything better to do.

I honestly dont care if you call me whiney just because I want to have all the informations that one side of the playerbase gets and the other dont. The slides are nice but Yoshida often says something more to it. Sometimes he explains it more deeply or talks about how this and that dont apply. Stuff that would be lost if we only had the slides. And pure fan translations are great but can have mistakes too which then gives people wrong impressions on stuff.

There was a time where we got at least some posts by the community team as the lifeletter was going on but even that was changed into something that will come out way later.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

The slides are nice but Yoshida often says something more to it. Sometimes he explains it more deeply or talks about how this and that dont apply. Stuff that would be lost if we only had the slides.

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Nope. Trust me, I watch the LLs and I understand Japanese. He doesn't really go any deeper into detail. In fact, in some cases he actually ends up saying less about it than the slides do (he often has to be reminded of the info on the slides).

Again, all the important, pertinent info is on the slides.

And again, we DO get a more or less full translation of the LLs a little while later. Generally not more than a week. Which is perfectly fine, since none of the extra stuff is important.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

And again, we DO get a more or less full translation of the LLs a little while later. Generally not more than a week. Which is perfectly fine, since none of the extra stuff is important.

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You mean like the last Live Letter where the digest came out one month latter (and on the date of the patch discussed in it) ?
That is not "a little while later".

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Originally Posted by TalithaSolarien

You mean like the last Live Letter where the digest came out one month latter (and on the date of the patch discussed in it) ?
That is not "a little while later".

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I don't personally recall the last one in particular. There is a reason I used the word "generally", and not "absolutely".

Wasn't this one the Tokyo Game Show one?

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

So, basically you say that they look tired (they do), but you want them to do even more work. The things that you suggest would add even more workload for everyone currently involved on the LLs (which is not just one or two individuals, anyway): more thinking, more planning, more writing, more translating, more talking... And for what? Because some people don't have enough with knowing what the patch will bring when the devs feel confident enough to talk about it? Because these same people don't agree with the current format that many others like and enjoy, and that have liked and enjoyed for years (this is what I said, not that they can't change it simply because they've done it for years)? Keep in mind that everything that we see on the LLs is still WIP, that's why sometimes they go into more details -if they're sure that it will be like that once the patch drops- and sometimes they don't. We know that they work on a tight schedule, and we have seen that most of the time they can barely make it in time (and that's when they do). We are not kept in the dark, we always know the full details of the patches before we get to play them, with the LL, the patch website, the dev blog, and the provisional patch notes.

Almost no other developer does this amount of communication about what they're working on (DE does live streams on Twitch for Warframe too, and they release exactly the same amount of information that SE does on the LLs, and sometimes less). Do you know what would be easier for Yoshi-P and company's health? To not do any of this, and just do what everyone else does: a couple of blog posts here and there and call it a day. But they want to communicate personally with the players, and instead of appreciating it people keep demanding more and more. This all started because the devs dared to attend the Tokyo Game Show and not translate every little detail, despite the actual patch information -that everyone else got the same way- being in perfect english, and despite the previous LLs and events (like the lore stream with the lead writers) having Aimi-san translating everything in real time. But it seems that people conveniently forget about that. Being at a japanese event with limited time and a live non-english speaking crowd, and not translate every minor thing right there and right now is terrible for some, it seems. Next time they should IP ban the stream on the second half, as that might make those people happy (seeing how some advocated for the removal of the LLs and just do a pre-recorded thing -for an event nonetheless-, I guess that making them unable to watch would be a solution /s).

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All this verbiage to add annotations that amount to: "I like it, cuz nobody else does it like this so don't suggest/advocate something that will take it away. And those who don't like it may as well not watch it cuz reasons".


You're right tho, definitely would be better to never bring up LLPs at all. Best thing for everyone's health.

Wonder How Long This Thread will stay active.....

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Wonder How Long This Thread will stay active.....

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Meh, give or take 5-10 more pages maybe.
We're in a content lull so people have to argue for days on end until
5.1 lol.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Wonder How Long This Thread will stay active.....

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Post 5.1 they'll have forgotten all about it. Babby will have its pacifier.

That is, until next untranslated LL or a month after patch.

I distinctly remember a JP only stream around Japanese Fanfest with the patch reading, featuring the JP voice of Thancred. No one complained about unfairness then.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

All this verbiage to add annotations that amount to: "I like it, cuz nobody else does it like this so don't suggest/advocate something that will take it away. And those who don't like it may as well not watch it cuz reasons".


You're right tho, definitely would be better to never bring up LLPs at all. Best thing for everyone's health.

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Sure, reduce it to that and ignore the rest of what I said, including making your point of "give them less work by making them work more" moot. Because that made sense.

I'm out of this thread anyway. It's about time to let it die.

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Originally Posted by TalithaSolarien

You mean like the last Live Letter where the digest came out one month latter (and on the date of the patch discussed in it) ?
That is not "a little while later".

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There's also stuff like this http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Update-Thread

While I don't expect them to have a live update, especially for a Live Letter for Tokyo Game Show, the update thread would have been nice.

It would also be nice that their substitute "twitter" thread didn't go from
https://twitter.com/FF_XIV_EN/status...95074059759616

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It's time to bring out our guest creators, Yosuke Saito and YOKO TARO!

What new information will we learn about the YoRHa: Dark Apocalypse alliance raid!? #FFXIV

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to
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That's a wrap for the Letter from the Producer LIVE! Thanks for watching!

There are more #FFXIV Patch 5.1 details to come, so stay tuned!

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People are tuning in to hear about the new alliance Raid (among other things). Not one thing was shared about it for English-only speakers who aren't connected to other people.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Rewind a few pages and see: Not scripted.

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Sorry, not buying that. There are companies that make real time subtitles of non-scripted contents. That speak japanese? Yep, that speak japanese. Oscar, for instance, is live translated for a plenty of languages and has a LOT of non-scripted content.

S-E can do that. Or are we speaking about a small MMO game from a small indie company? Get real! S-E gets more money yearly than some countries GDP. There is no way they can't pay some company to do that.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

Sorry, not buying that. There are companies that make real time subtitles of non-scripted contents. That speak japanese? Yep, that speak japanese. Oscar, for instance, is live translated for a plenty of languages and has a LOT of non-scripted content.

S-E can do that. Or are we speaking about a small MMO game from a small indie company? Get real! S-E gets more money yearly than some countries GDP. There is no way they can't pay some company to do that.

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Are you comparing FF14 live letters to.... The Oscars?