Is there too much soy in this game's community

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

You don't understand, "In from the cold" was a REALLY hard part! :^)

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Any time I have to play as not my character the game becomes the worst game to ever exist and everyone involved should be fired.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Since when was "don't be an asshole" so difficult?

I suppose we could just respond with "not cool dude" and leave it at that. Definitely saves a lot of wasted effort. But then people will never learn why they're being an asshole.

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That would honestly shut me up if I was acting up, there's no way I will take you seriously if you get offended. That's what a lot of people fail to realise, disproportionate activism is counterproductive.

As someone who has faced real discrimination irl I really couldn't care less what people have to say about me on a goddamn computer game? People who get mad at stuff like this have not had a single struggle outside of their screens.

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Originally Posted by Fredothan

That would honestly shut me up if I was acting up, there's no way I will take you seriously if you get offended. That's what a lot of people fail to realise, disproportionate activism is counterproductive.

As someone who has faced real discrimination irl I really couldn't care less what people have to say about me on a goddamn computer game? People who get mad at stuff like this have not had a single struggle outside of their screens.

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Isnt saying you would only react to what you consider appropriate activism and then saying you couldnt care less about what people say about you on the internet a bit of a contradiction? If you didnt care how can it affect your decision?

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Isnt saying you would only react to what you consider appropriate activism and then saying you couldnt care less about what people say about you on the internet a bit of a contradiction? If you didnt care how can it affect your decision?

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1 is a realization after it being pointed out that you’re in the wrong. You can still not care what other people think of you while correcting your own behaviour.

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Originally Posted by Caddo

Troll post or not, the online community has definitely changed over the past decade, that is for sure. I made a lighthearted joke the other day about seizures during Ultima Weapon (so bright, such light!) and was told it's not funny and I shouldn't make those jokes.

... I legit had to tell them that I made the joke because I take medication for seizures and I was pointing out the obvious drawback to this cutscene.

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People are way too sensitive. This happens in my server real quick sometimes. Someone can make an obvious joke but if there is even a small chance for someone to take offense they will run with it and turn it into this giant crusade.

It’s like people don’t even care about the spirit in which things were meant anymore. All they care about is taking offense, calling others out and virtue signal to the max like it makes them this “hero” in front of everyone else.

And while I can’t completely verify this. It sure seems they don’t even care about the subject, they just like the attention.

Troll post, but in all seriousness the ToS is why it feels like walking on eggshells. If a random throws an insult toward someone or myself I would not dare fire back because getting banned or punished isnt worth it for some comeback line or roast or w/e. Jokes can also be taken wrongly so its just best not to toe the line there either

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Isnt saying you would only react to what you consider appropriate activism and then saying you couldnt care less about what people say about you on the internet a bit of a contradiction? If you didnt care how can it affect your decision?

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If I'm joking around and accidentally offend someone, a light-hearted clap back or even just saying something like ''that's not cool'' makes a lot more difference than calling me toxic and throwing a tantrum. Not because I care that you called me toxic, but because now I won't take you seriously anymore. If you act like a normal person I might reflect on the matter. It's a cry wolf situation

I don't know if you'll read this message, or if I'll even see a reply.

But if you ever get an OLED monitor, those bright lights are going to mess with you even more. Holy heck, FFXIV with OLED is intense. I would definitely warn against it.

Tbh this whole "you can't tell jokes anymore, people are so offended!!111" thing online and offline seems to me like many people just highly overestimated how funny they actually are (or not), simply due to a lack of actual feedback from their irl peers who learned to ignore them... And now everyone is "offended" in their eyes just for not laughing at their bad takes.

I have seen quite a fair share of troll comments (and I don't mean constructive criticism with this, just to be clear) in this game by now. They were extremely cringe or annyoing af, so I asked the person to tone it down. Was I offended by this? Lol no. I just don't want to endure 15+ minutes of super cringy or annoying behaviour just because the person doing the comments can't take people not agreeing with them.

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Originally Posted by Minali

Tbh this whole "you can't tell jokes anymore, people are so offended!!111" thing online and offline seems to me like many people just highly overestimated how funny they actually are (or not), simply due to a lack of actual feedback from their irl peers who learned to ignore them... And now everyone is "offended" in their eyes just for not laughing at their bad takes.

I have seen quite a fair share of troll comments (and I don't mean constructive criticism with this, just to be clear) in this game by now. They were extremely cringe or annyoing af, so I asked the person to tone it down. Was I offended by this? Lol no. I just don't want to endure 15+ minutes of super cringy or annoying behaviour just because the person doing the comments can't take people not agreeing with them.

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I mean, sure you may not have been offended but I asked someone to not spam their chat macro once and they went on a tirade about how funny the macros are, that people absolutely love their macros and compliment them all the time on them, and that I was just stupid for not understanding humour. And that's more the norm than not from the interactions I see. And not just to me, but to others, as well. So it's not a "common denominator" thing, as some people like to excuse. I've been kicked from a duty for legitimately just saying "can you please dodge the aoes" since I was struggling to heal. I had a guy go nuts on me saying I was going to end up in GM jail or something for saying "you don't have to LB nero" before they reworked Prae. Heck, even on the forums I had someone get so salty and offended that I had told them that someone didn't misspell something but rather it was a different language. Because apparently I had to denounce bullying but I didn't so I was a supporter of bullying in his eyes?

People are nuts. You see it in the real world all the time too, and the game is just a reflection of that.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I mean, sure you may not have been offended but I asked someone to not spam their chat macro once and they went on a tirade about how funny the macros are, that people absolutely love their macros and compliment them all the time on them, and that I was just stupid for not understanding humour. And that's more the norm than not from the interactions I see. And not just to me, but to others, as well. So it's not a "common denominator" thing, as some people like to excuse. I've been kicked from a duty for legitimately just saying "can you please dodge the aoes" since I was struggling to heal. I had a guy go nuts on me saying I was going to end up in GM jail or something for saying "you don't have to LB nero" before they reworked Prae. Heck, even on the forums I had someone get so salty and offended that I had told them that someone didn't misspell something but rather it was a different language. Because apparently I had to denounce bullying but I didn't so I was a supporter of bullying in his eyes?

People are nuts. You see it in the real world all the time too, and the game is just a reflection of that.

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I still haven't experience this sort of interaction, in six years of playing.

What I find usually happens is a suggestion/criticism is made, like "keep the bosses apart" or "don't pull them there" or "what are these whack waymarkers!?" and it's either left there or others end up agreeing.

It makes me wonder... is this a NA thing? Because I'm EU.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Back in Heavensward and Stormblood you can insult people and mock them and they'll just insult and mock you back. Banter, friendly or unfriendly, was the norm. What happened to this game's community man!? Now you make a mild joke and they collapse and freak out and start crying. People don't even fight back anymore! What happened to FF14? Where is all the testosterone?

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When you restrict speech and ideas, you restrict freedoms of the individual. A lot of extremeists are driving the paradigm right now and social cooling has repressed a lot of the freedoms we have been able to freely express.

This is where satire saves the day.

Are we sure it's people getting more easily offended ? Could it that people were always offended, just in the past they hid it, and now they have no more patience for your nonsense, and don't shy away from letting you know.

Devs ironed out their harassment policy a couple of times now between then and now.
Might have something to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I still haven't experience this sort of interaction, in six years of playing.

What I find usually happens is a suggestion/criticism is made, like "keep the bosses apart" or "don't pull them there" or "what are these whack waymarkers!?" and it's either left there or others end up agreeing.

It makes me wonder... is this a NA thing? Because I'm EU.

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Absence of an issue in your life doesn't mean the issue is absent at all.

As you haven't seen it in all your years of playing, there are many others that have in the same amount of time. Hell I was harassed so badly by someone in my first year of playing this game that I left the Aether DC and never went back, among other things. People definitely are a little stir crazy in this game.

But that's just my 2 cents. At the end of the day I just don't speak unless spoken to in-game, I sleep easier.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I mean, sure you may not have been offended but I asked someone to not spam their chat macro once and they went on a tirade about how funny the macros are, that people absolutely love their macros and compliment them all the time on them, and that I was just stupid for not understanding humour. And that's more the norm than not from the interactions I see. And not just to me, but to others, as well. So it's not a "common denominator" thing, as some people like to excuse. I've been kicked from a duty for legitimately just saying "can you please dodge the aoes" since I was struggling to heal. I had a guy go nuts on me saying I was going to end up in GM jail or something for saying "you don't have to LB nero" before they reworked Prae. Heck, even on the forums I had someone get so salty and offended that I had told them that someone didn't misspell something but rather it was a different language. Because apparently I had to denounce bullying but I didn't so I was a supporter of bullying in his eyes?

People are nuts. You see it in the real world all the time too, and the game is just a reflection of that.

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I can second this as one of the big things people get offended over. If you tell someone you dont like them spamming chat with their text macros that others have complimented them on they get so angry. Perhaps they need to understand there is other people that dont think its funny nor do they like seeing people’s text macro every 30sec-2mins but alas they think they are in the right.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I still haven't experience this sort of interaction, in six years of playing.

What I find usually happens is a suggestion/criticism is made, like "keep the bosses apart" or "don't pull them there" or "what are these whack waymarkers!?" and it's either left there or others end up agreeing.

It makes me wonder... is this a NA thing? Because I'm EU.

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Honestly? Yes, it's a NA thing. This would explain a lot since you're on EU and might not be seeing it.

I gotta say that yes, I do think that the community is very sensitive... in a particular way I often don't see in online games. And I'm not even talking about jokes.

This week, we warned a newbie tank that he had to turn on his tank stance. When he couldn't find his lvl 10 skill at first, he told us that he would leave the dungeon in order to not cause us trouble. We had to spam quickly and convince him that there was no need for that, he just had to push a button.

I have seen people truly, deeply, extremely hurt because you wouldn't reciprocate their emote, go to their online wedding, buy their whole family-roleplay-thingy going on (why is that so common? lmao). It's SO weird.

There was a FC in which a group of people started to dislike another group of people because they did a lot of conversation on the FC chat? Uh?? Or another dude that was very, very sad, to the point of leaving the FC, because some people wouldn't get into his butler-rp-talk. And someone changed his "butler" status back when they were changing the FC name.

The other point of the stick is true as well: you have people that really feel like someone spamming emotes or a macro are very annoying, to the point that it's worth making a commentary over it. Something has to be literally impossible to deal with in order for me to type on the chat tbh. 99% of the time I won't ever see that person again. It's weird all around.

I believe that the reasons for that are first the second-lifesque aspect of the game actually brings people that treat their characters as something more than a fluffy game and thus, weird attitude and... well, ffxiv is a mmo, like lotro, full of people that usually don't play other games, or other mmos at all, which definetly plays a role in how they deal with somewhat-normal-things-from-online-games.

That being said, this has very little do to with the "people are so sensitive!! it's the WOKE generation" discourse that we often see from conservatives that are sad that they can't make their bad jokes any longer without someone telling them to shut up.

No one can take a joke anymore and criticism might as well be death threats the way this community behaves at times.
Hell, I'd believe half of them were still attached to their umbilical cord given how sensitive they are.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I still haven't experience this sort of interaction, in six years of playing.

What I find usually happens is a suggestion/criticism is made, like "keep the bosses apart" or "don't pull them there" or "what are these whack waymarkers!?" and it's either left there or others end up agreeing.

It makes me wonder... is this a NA thing? Because I'm EU.

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I used to run into those people a lot way back, still see the rare occurrence here and there.
What I found is, once you stop giving a damn you run into them less and less which ironically feeds into itself (ignoring it can save you headaches but also means some stupidity goes unchecked)

I mean, yes and no.

The sensivity in this game is far higher from encounters ive had, just a bit ago i had a PLD in the new 90 dungeon who barelly passed the iLvL check, he did wall to wall puls, without using any CD's and using Clemency instead, dude was literally about as steadfast as a wet tissue paper, now, I consider myself a decent healer, especially on SCH, I ran out of mana on one pul, that with mana regen on, when the tank died, he was asking me why i did not heal him, I did, i really did, a threw everything my SCH had and some more, had to dig out even mana potions that been collecting dust in my inventory. When I told him that he should use Mitigation and Defence CD's, he told me off with : I use them when i need them. and then proceeded to tell me that im being mean to him when im telling him to use them. After the last fight where he ofc Died from collecting debuffs like it would be a new trading card game and I had to solo the boss as a healer since the DPS were newish and were dead, he types : SEE IT WAS EASY AND YOU ARE FLAMING ME....

I wanted to quit that bad, soooo really bad, not just the dungeon, the whole game.

Sad part is, im meeting more and more people like this. I dont care if you mess up a mechanic, i dont care your ratation is garbage, i dont care I have to heal more than its needed, what i want at lvl 90 is you having enough competence to fucking know the basics of your class and how to use it to a degree.

If that is considered flaming, well, fuck me then.

All I'm going to say is that I just dont see the term "noob" thrown anymore.
It almost like the word never existed unless I recall it.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

No one can take a joke anymore and criticism might as well be death threats the way this community behaves at times.
Hell, I'd believe half of them were still attached to their umbilical cord given how sensitive they are.

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Is said Criticism: Constructive?
Because I notice alot of people leave out the Constructive part: Where your suppose to be helpful and offer Solutions for improvement / help one see their Errors.
To often people think just slamming and insulting someone is Criticism that helps anyone improve or anything get better...when it just creates backlash, and pushback and senseless fighting...or people just leave: making it worse.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Is said Criticism: Constructive?
Because I notice alot of people leave out the Constructive part: Where your suppose to be helpful and offer Solutions for improvement / help one see their Errors.
To often people think just slamming and insulting someone is Criticism that helps anyone improve or anything get better...when it just creates backlash, and pushback and senseless fighting...or people just leave: making it worse.

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Not all criticism needs to be constructive. It’s up to the individual to create the results they want after receiving criticism.

Do you want to get offended that someone said something you don’t like? Throw a children’s tantrum because your feelings are hurt? Or turn it into something positive by exploring avenues in which to make yourself better.

The power is in your own hands. Most just lack self control to pull up their socks and handle it in a constructive way

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Not all criticism needs to be constructive. It’s up to the individual to create the results they want after receiving criticism.

Do you want to get offended that someone said something you don’t like? Throw a children’s tantrum because your feelings are hurt? Or turn it into something positive by exploring avenues in which to make yourself better.

The power is in your own hands. Most just lack self control to pull up their socks and handle it in a constructive way

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Eh, at that point I'd still put part of the blame on the critic. Often criticism is thrown without being constructive, but that already brings into question the motivation behind criticism. That leads to whatever they have to say losing any merit.
assuming you're dealing with adults, that is

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Eh, at that point I'd still put part of the blame on the critic. Often criticism is thrown without being constructive, but that already brings into question the motivation behind criticism. That leads to whatever they have to say losing any merit.
assuming you're dealing with adults, that is

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Again not all criticism needs to be constructive. The result is within your power.

Example: “this tank takes so much damage”

This is non constructive criticism.

What you, as the tank could do; cry about it. But you’re still a squishy tank after that. Or gear up. Low item level could be an issue here. Learn to mitigate. You may not be using cooldowns.

It’s not up to others to solve your issues for you. Being criticized is merely pointing out an issue exist.

Personal responsibility fixes your issues

When I went through the story, I had picked blm as my starting class. And I'll be the first to admit that I was a really bad blm. And it wasn't until the Ivalice raids that I was finally told I was bad. My party wiped to Hashmal. And one of the healers said, "maybe if the blm stopped dying to every single thing, I could focus on the boss". That's not constructive. It made me feel extremely embarassed. And I didn't ever want to feel that way again. So I started looking up guides and practicing more.

It's not up to everyone else to cater to your feelings. You have to understand that their enjoyment is just as important as your own.

Being called out sucks. I get it. But if you don't want to be called out, don't give anyone a reason to.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Not all criticism needs to be constructive. It’s up to the individual to create the results they want after receiving criticism.

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^ This exactly. It's on the person themselves to fix their poor gameplay, not on the person being critical to clean up someone else's act. With the amount of resources that are out there for learning this game, there's little excuse for not taking the initiative to learn other than pure laziness. If someone's getting criticized a lot, perhaps that's a sign that they should put more effort into learning the game, their job, the fight, their movement, etc. That's not to say that simple mistakes don't happen, of course they do, but if it's just a simple one time mistake then just shake any criticism off, say "sorry, my bad", and do better on the next attempt.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Most just lack self control to pull up their socks and handle it in a constructive way

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I agree. In my personal experience, the people who will freak out and overreact to non-constructive criticism also will do the same with constructive criticism. Because of that, when there is a conflict over it, I don't think that it's a problem with the type of criticism given, or how constructive it was, but more with the person being criticized themselves and how willing they are to listen and take what they hear to heart. This is an anecdotal example, but one of the former members of the static I'm in had this problem. It didn't matter how nicely you put your criticism, you could sugarcoat it as much as possible, offer to help fix the issue in any way you could, offer a large selection of solutions, it just didn't matter to them. They treated every little bit of criticism as a personal attack and would have a meltdown if you dared not pretend like they were perfect. We tried to help them fix the issues they were having, but eventually they just left in a huff, and by then no one really had a desire to ask them to come back.

I think this is a good example of what's wrong with a lot of the community for this game. A lot of people have fallen into the mindset of either "I'm perfect just the way I am" or "My mistakes don't matter so no one should care and if they do, I don't care", and it's not only a toxic mindset, but a self-defeating mindset in the long run.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

When I went through the story, I had picked blm as my starting class. And I'll be the first to admit that I was a really bad blm. And it wasn't until the Ivalice raids that I was finally told I was bad. My party wiped to Hashmal. And one of the healers said, "maybe if the blm stopped dying to every single thing, I could focus on the boss". That's not constructive. It made me feel extremely embarassed. And I didn't ever want to feel that way again. So I started looking up guides and practicing more.

It's not up to everyone else to cater to your feelings. You have to understand that their enjoyment is just as important as your own.

Being called out sucks. I get it. But if you don't want to be called out, don't give anyone a reason to.

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And this is an example of the proper response to being criticized. Someone told you that you were bad? Do the research, learn the game, get better. Then, like you said, no one will have a reason to criticize you.

Mayhaps there is too much community in the games soy... yes..

It costs nothing to be nice to people when offering criticism.
There’s zero need to flame someone that wasn’t initially trying to flame in the first place, you can and should mention things of course if it bothers you but you can approach it as an adult and realise you have no idea who is behind that screen, or in real life are you also the type of person that screams at the people in line at a grocery store? No you only do that online because you don’t see the person behind so it’s easier to take out your anger but you can literally never know who is behind the screen.
Could be a kid, could be an older person, could be someone that just witnessed a hard life event, there’s no need to try to raise your low self esteem by acting tough and non “soy” to strangers online.

It’s not your job to teach them how to play, but you can remove yourself from people and situations that make you angry.
I too encountered my share of underleveled gray armour tanks who refused to use CDs and I do tell them that under these conditions, keeping him alive with wall to wall pulls is proving very difficult, but people usually either take it nicely back or they blame it on me for not healing them when one hit literally kills them and I could easily lose my s*it on that but it’s just not worth it, I know my actions, I looked hard over my job and I tried to help him, if he doesn’t want the help, me risking a ban is not worth it. If someone’s play style bothers you that much then just find a different party or learn some patience for your own good first, and theirs second, it goes hand in hand. Obviously this won’t get anywhere on a troll thread but eh.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

It costs nothing to be nice to people when offering criticism.

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It may not get anywhere sure given the trolly nature of this thread, but what you said still has alot of merit.

To me, this is almost a 'treat others the way you want to be treated yourself' situation. When I am messing up, I would like someone to tell me in a "Hay tank, you should try and do it this way" type of thing rather then "Stupid tank does not know how to play lol" or something akin to that. Being kind in offering criticism is not a weakness or hard, and more often then not I have seen people respond to such criticism better too. Sure, sometimes people will respond to even kindness with sarcasm or anger, but does retaliating in kind help at all? It seems to me that by that point, you are not helping them at all by entering into a childless shouting match. Do you think you can out-anger them to change their playstyle? You are just letting negative emotions guide your keyboard. Like you say, no one has any idea of who these people are behind the avatars, and thats the thing, they are people! (Unless you are telling Alisaie to use AOE in Trusts, which does not work, I have tried!) all with their own flaws, misunderstands or mood. Is attacking them for the sake of feeling superior really worth it at that stage? Mayhaps some see it as weakness, but by then I would rather endure whatever bad the player is doing until the Duty ends, or perhaps initiate a Kick if its really hurting then trade venomous retorts and hamper everyones enjoyment. Though I do not think I have ever been in a party bad enough to have warranted that.

I will say one possibly hypocritical exception, perhaps, is when such arguments cross the line about gameplay to personal attacks that include slurs, ableism ect. To which I do not mean attacking back in kind, thats just pathetic! No I mean more calling out when someone is being a dick. Even then I would say silence would often be the best retort as they could just be screaming for attention. Whilst I have not experienced anything as bad aimed at myself, I have seen more then a few Raids turn ugly like that.

I'm confused, so which situation is "soy" exactly?

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A: "you suck as a tank"
B: "no I don't, *vote kicks with friend*
A: *comes to forum to complain about someone being soy*

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A: "you suck as a tank"
B: "I'm sorry.." (doesn't fight back)
A: *comes to forum and makes this thread*

Because OP is implying the situation two is soy, but I'm seeing a lot of posts in the thread saying one is soy. So which is it? Is fighting back and calling someone toxic and kicking them soy? or is NOT fighting back and being passive (no testosterone according to OP) soy?

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Not all criticism needs to be constructive. It’s up to the individual to create the results they want after receiving criticism.

Do you want to get offended that someone said something you don’t like? Throw a children’s tantrum because your feelings are hurt? Or turn it into something positive by exploring avenues in which to make yourself better.

The power is in your own hands. Most just lack self control to pull up their socks and handle it in a constructive way

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So then....whats the point of the Criticism? Is it just aimless baby/Gamer Rage? Is there no point to it?
Just yelling and even insulting for the sake of it, and its just suppose to be ok?
its pretty toxic to say your just suppose to take that and turn it into a positive...especially if said Criticism isn't constructive and doesn't aim to Foster Improvement.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

^ This exactly. It's on the person themselves to fix their poor gameplay, not on the person being critical to clean up someone else's act.

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Thats not really the point or the issue with just Criticizing someone and not being Constructive about it.
The idea isn't to baby them and play the game for them, you can be harsh and mean, even though that often times isnt helpful, but the idea is to help someone improve.
Keyword..HELP
Thats part of Fostering a Good Community, and helping people become Better Players. "Your Garbage, play a different Class" or dumb stuff like "Uninstall the game" isnt helpful Criticism, and it does nothing and offers nothing.
If you are legit trying to help someone and they get all aggro about it, then thats a different story. But just insulting someone Full stop doesn't do anything, and its dumb to think it would be encouraging..
I guess unless there are people who enjoy it lol

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So then....whats the point of the Criticism? Is it just aimless baby/Gamer Rage? Is there no point to it?
Just yelling and even insulting for the sake of it, and its just suppose to be ok?
its pretty toxic to say your just suppose to take that and turn it into a positive...especially if said Criticism isn't constructive and doesn't aim to Foster Improvement.

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The irony of this post calling something “toxic”. A buzz word to insult something you disagree with but the amount of posts you make that exhibit the traits you personally speak against.

I already said earlier, at minimum the criticism makes someone aware there is an issue. Do with the criticism what you will. But calling it “toxic” is a good way to get ignored for an overused, and now meaningless word

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

The irony of this post calling something “toxic”. A buzz word to insult something you disagree with but the amount of posts you make that exhibit the traits you personally speak against.

I already said earlier, at minimum the criticism makes someone aware there is an issue. Do with the criticism what you will. But calling it “toxic” is a good way to get ignored for an overused, and now meaningless word

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I wasn't even using a Buzzword, it is Toxic to think Criticism alone by itself is helpful, and people are just suppose to be ok with it and mentally spin it into a Positive.
And where did I insult anybody?....

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I wasn't even using a Buzzword, it is Toxic to think Criticism alone by itself is helpful, and people are just suppose to be ok with it and mentally spin it into a Positive.
And where did I insult anybody?....

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Toxic is a buzzword. Just because it’s a commonly used part of your vocabulary doesn’t change its state

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Toxic is a buzzword. Just because it’s a commonly used part of your vocabulary doesn’t change its state

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...is...that your only counter-argument?
I even explained how I used the word. Do you have a better one I could use instead?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

...is...that your only counter-argument?
I even explained how I used the word. Do you have a better one I could use instead?

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I could Google the words “toxic” and “buzzword” together for you. Or you can do it yourself.

Your counter-argument was “toxic” with a sprinkle of “angry baby gamer rage” insult.

If you want answers you could try reading entire posts and not cherry picking the parts that make you sad / angry / uncomfortable

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

I could Google the words “toxic” and “buzzword” together for you. Or you can do it yourself.

Your counter-argument was “toxic” with a sprinkle of “angry baby gamer rage” insult.

If you want answers you could try reading entire posts and not cherry picking the parts that make you sad / angry / uncomfortable

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Dang, and here I thought were going to have a good example of Constructive Criticism: Pointing out an issue, and offering a Solution.
Ah well, I tried.

But...you twisted the "aimless baby/Gamer Rage" phase...when I asked a Question: "whats the point of the Criticism? Is it just aimless baby/Gamer Rage? Is there no point to it?"
That wasnt an insult...that was a question...
And Im confused about this claim that anything made me sad / angry / uncomfortable

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Dang, and here I thought were going to have a good example of Constructive Criticism: Pointing out an issue, and offering a Solution.
Ah well, I tried.

But...you twisted the "aimless baby/Gamer Rage" phase...when I asked a Question: "whats the point of the Criticism? Is it just aimless baby/Gamer Rage? Is there no point to it?"
That wasnt an insult...that was a question...
And Im confused about this claim that anything made me sad / angry / uncomfortable

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Criticism: use of buzzwords to insult people while you claiming it’s not

Solution: offered to Google or suggested you do it

Also don’t be coy. You are well aware that is an insult. If you’re not, then I question your perspective on any other interaction