Turn Housing Demolition on

Crying over demolition when you don't even have a clue how long it lasts LMAO

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Crying over demolition when you don't even have a clue how long it lasts LMAO

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The bottom line is demolition won't fix much but the fact it's off more than it's on begs the question as to whether or not it should exist. I believe it should and 6 months is more than enough time for it to be off. Sad thing is when it's restarted it probably won't be long before it's halted again.

After this lottery and Ishgard implementation I think the community is owed a response as to what to expect with housing long term and housing availability. It took forever for Empyreum to come online and heaven only knows when the next housing additions will be.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I'm pretty certain that not a single person affected directly by the war would give two flips over losing a house as there's more important things to worry about.

I know if I were in their situation I wouldn't be worried about it either.

I'm also pretty certain that it's NOT the reason they haven't turned it back on, because it makes 0 sense to have it turned off for all regions.

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You can't imagine how much distraction like online game can go up in your list of priorities when you lose everything, I guarantee you that if tomorrow i lose my home again i'll do whatever i need to do to have access to internet and play whatever i was playing before everything happen.

Just to have a semblance of order and normality. Now imagine that when you go through all that, after monthes of struggling, you manage to log on again and ... surprise you lose your house in the game too ! Now that would be Rich ! I see no valid reason to resume the demolition timer for now.

Even more when doing so wouldn't solve the current housing problem at all, i mean even if everyone were kicked out of their houses and all plot were available again, how would that solve the fact that there is not enough house plot for every player that want one in the first place anyway ?

So basically the problem is that there is not enough houses for people that want one and your solution is to take houses away from peoples that can't enjoy log on for now and give them to someone else ? That's pretty fucked up and shamefull tbh.

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Originally Posted by Syln

So basically the problem is that there is not enough houses for people that want one and your solution is to take houses away from peoples that can't enjoy log on for now and give them to someone else ? That's pretty fucked up and shamefull tbh.

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I'm just curious what the trigger will be for restarting demolition? How much longer is reasonable?

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Originally Posted by Syln

So basically the problem is that there is not enough houses for people that want one and your solution is to take houses away from peoples that can't enjoy log on for now and give them to someone else ? That's pretty fucked up and shamefull tbh.

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It's the solution we've always had. It's just been temporarily off is all. They've done this several times. Disaster happens, they turn it off, a month or so later they turn it back on. but that whole issue is going to remain a disaster for years, and unless yoshi intends to keep it off until they completely rebuild their now lost cities? He can probably just go ahead and turn it back on now.

OR! OR! Yes, give us more wards. Someone did the math on it, didnt they? Obligatory 'you made HOW much money around Endwalker??' point. They make a lot of money, so if they could at least maybe tell us-even if they cant actually do it right now because of yadayada supply chains. If they could at least tell us, "hey, we know about the housing thing, we've got 10 more housing wards on the way". That would be fantastic. Remember friends, the goal here is ultimately more houses. More INFORMATION in regards to housing. Yes I am the devil, I want demolition turned on, but its not only just that. If it were even just updated information about demolition, the lottery cycle, the fc vs pv houses, future wards-these will all be a win too. Even if they come out and say 'demos done, we're not doing it again'. Whatever! Please just give us more information in regards to this topic, thank you. If wanting more information about this topic enrages you, then I dont know...bizarre kind of cultish behavior to take up issues with people asking questions of your overlords but alright.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Crying over demolition when you don't even have a clue how long it lasts LMAO

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At this point you're so bothered that you're just lurking and swinging in all directions even trying to find some sort of glee over someone getting the timer accuracy wrong, and while I personally find that a bit alarming since you really should just avoid topics that bother you to this extent, I cannot help but at the very least appreciate how much you bump this thread, so thank you for that lmao.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

The bottom line is demolition won't fix much but the fact it's off more than it's on begs the question as to whether or not it should exist. I believe it should and 6 months is more than enough time for it to be off. Sad thing is when it's restarted it probably won't be long before it's halted again.

After this lottery and Ishgard implementation I think the community is owed a response as to what to expect with housing long term and housing availability. It took forever for Empyreum to come online and heaven only knows when the next housing additions will be.

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Agree community deserves some communication. All subs should have access to housing. It's just hilarious to see how selfish people will be to try and snatch from others and complain about a system they are ignorant about. It's a little evil, but I am glad such people do not have a house with that attitude x) They are so hyper focused on ways to take from others players and ignoring the main issue, sad.

Hopium that lost sanctuary can scratch some of that housing itch.

Re: housing demolition

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Originally Posted by Batbrat

It's the solution we've always had.

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Plus, everyone who decided to get a house knew about housing demolition, and tacitly agreed to it when they got their house. There's nothing unfair about holding people to the voluntary agreements they enter into.

My spouse and I lost our respective houses when we took a long break from the game.
But we shed no tears over it: we knew about demolition when we first decided to get the houses. And it's just a glamour in a game, anyway, not, in our view, worth getting upset over.

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Originally Posted by Syln

You can't imagine how much distraction like online game can go up in your list of priorities when you lose everything, I guarantee you that if tomorrow i lose my home again i'll do whatever i need to do to have access to internet and play whatever i was playing before everything happen.

Just to have a semblance of order and normality. Now imagine that when you go through all that, after monthes of struggling, you manage to log on again and ... surprise you lose your house in the game too ! Now that would be Rich ! I see no valid reason to resume the demolition timer for now.

Even more when doing so wouldn't solve the current housing problem at all, i mean even if everyone were kicked out of their houses and all plot were available again, how would that solve the fact that there is not enough house plot for every player that want one in the first place anyway ?

So basically the problem is that there is not enough houses for people that want one and your solution is to take houses away from peoples that can't enjoy log on for now and give them to someone else ? That's pretty fucked up and shamefull tbh.

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The timer needs to be on. If you choose to not play or what ever the other problems are shouldn't affect everyone. I mean sorry you lost your house but as the saying goes it is what it is. It's called being fair and not shameful. Why should someone be gone for months and still keep their house hm? How is that fair. Sorry you were gone you lost your rights. People need to holding onto something if they know they won't be on

And let's not forget that it's nearly certain that some of the people who would lose their housing plots if demolition were turned back on are people who have left the game and will never return. For example, people who died.

What do the opponents of the demolition timer (which all house owners agreed to) suggest SE do about housing owned by dead players? Keep it off the market until sea swallows all and the servers shut down for good?

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

You have to be a troll to even say such garbage. As for your other post, boo hoo there is a war? Boo hoo you can't get a virtual house. Suffering from war is far worse than losing a lottery in a game.
I have fingers crossed they will implement housing for all, not that hateful people such as yourself deserve it :D

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You know why because it's not effecting me at all. I got more important things in my life then some strangers thousands of miles away. Maybe if either of them did better would be a better outcome. History is full of war welcome to Humanity so why shed a tear. I got my life to live not worried about others. Having a bleeding heart solves nothing, I digress but just because there are issues in the world. Can't stop for every little thing that happens. Just turn it on it's not a problem. Anyone who defends that it is off is either a casual player, stopped playing, passed away or whatever else but can't hold onto these plots for minimal reasons. When you bought the plot and knew there was a demo time YOU ACCEPTED the consequences. That is the issue these days no one wants to be held to the fact they knew there are risks and when something happens oh lordy "it isn't fair" gets shouted, Hate to tell you cupcake you knew the risks now have to deal with the consequences.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

What do the opponents of the demolition timer (which all house owners agreed to) suggest SE do about housing owned by dead players? Keep it off the market until sea swallows all and the servers shut down for good?

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Euhm, not all people agreed to the demolition timer. Certainly not when buying.
A lot of people bought a house before thete was a shortage or any whisper of demolition timer.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Euhm, not all people agreed to the demolition timer. Certainly not when buying.
A lot of people bought a house before thete was a shortage or any whisper of demolition timer.

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It's true that personal housing was introduced in September 2014, and the demolition timer was implemented a year later in October 2015 "to ensure that plots of land are not claimed and left unused." https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...81359611110f0/

As with any change in the game, anyone who continued to pay for their subscription afterwards tacitly agreed to it.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

It's true that personal housing was introduced in September 2014, and the demolition timer was implemented a year later in October 2015 "to ensure that plots of land are not claimed and left unused." https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...81359611110f0/

As with any change in the game, anyone who continued to pay for their subscription afterwards tacitly agreed to it.

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I mean... Dealing with it and continuing to play the game isn't "agreeing to" anything really other than finding the product as a whole to still be worth paying for

Anyway the system as a whole is kind of a garbage fire and has been for a while. Demolition has been off often enough for it to barely do the job it's meant to, and even when it's on it hardly makes a dent because it only really addresses one problem (people who unsub/leave the game for good with no intention of ability to come back) out of many. I don't have an issue with it being off this much, I'm glad it gives some folks one less thing to worry about, but like. I also already have a house. So. It doesn't affect me either way. If I unsub I plan to sell my house first anyway :p

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Euhm, not all people agreed to the demolition timer.

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They did actually, they just didnt get to decide to.

I'm with the others in wondering what the ones who dont want to pay for their houses think should be done instead.
They want a neighborhood feel, so they dont want instanced housing. But they never want to lose their house, so they never want to free up spaces to have active neighbors, thus living in a stale dead neighborhood. Which at that rate, you might as well have instanced. but they dont want instanced. So what's the answer? Well, more wards, right? but if housing becomes something you have forever, that'll be a heck of a lot of servers added in overtime to make up for every player having a forever house. I can't see that working at all. There are so many xiv players its insane. If you agree that people should keep their houses forever, then you agree that a LOT of people should simply also consequencely, never have a house. Because the ones that got it first somehow matter more? Or something, I dont get it. I'm not seeing where the logic goes with this idea lol. I'm sure this is the part where someone goes (mickey mouse voice) "well the island of sanctuary-" you mean the one yoshi himself has told us to stop over-fantasizing about? we're doomed arent we

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Agreed, Shibi. We need to focus on asking for MORE housing to meet the demand. That is the only way this problem will be fixed.

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They LIKE the scarcity at SE.

That's why they won't add enough.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Devs have some compassion and don't want to kick people whilst they are down. Get over yourself and wait. You'll be fine, trust me :)

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For the most accepting of communities, people seem awfully indifferent to peoples plight when it stands in the way of them getting what they want...

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Originally Posted by Imora

They LIKE the scarcity at SE.

That's why they won't add enough.

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Them adding 20 additional wards, would do nothing for this problem since demand far outstrips supply. That complaint would be solved for like 24 hours, and then the "I cant get a house" threads will pop right back up and here we are back at square one.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Them adding 20 additional wards, would do nothing for this problem since demand far outstrips supply. That complaint would be solved for like 24 hours, and then the "I cant get a house" threads will pop right back up and here we are back at square one.

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The other problem with throwing more wards at the problem is that each ward is effectively two zones. The first zone is plots 1-30 and then the subdivision for plots 31-60 which is then combined with an instance for each plot (although I imagine these are then inactive when a house interior is empty). Given how questionable the server infrastructure is for this game at times, I highly doubt they'd be able to keep throwing addition wards and entirely new housing at the problem.

Now they could opt for instanced housing which would instance entire plots, exterior included, with retroactive condensing of existing wards. Rather than being The Mists Ward 22 Plot 1, you'd be The Mists Plot 1 House 22. Now that might read like the same thing but if each entire plot is just an instance, those instances could probably (an assumption here btw) be turned off so to speak when they're not active. Effectively it would be like apartment buildings but for entire housing plots. You would lose the ability walk around 24 unique wards for each district per server but if this approach would provide greater scalability for housing supply, it's probably a sacrifice worth making.

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

The war has NOTHING to do with the game either. So what the rus/ur are fighting. What does that have to do with FFXIV. So what they are at war. There are always wars WHO CARES. Crap like this is what holds anything back because people are crying over something out of their control. Boo hoo there is a war. It doesn't effect me or 80% of the rest of the player base.

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So if people in real life should not care about their virtual house why should you care about getting one? Why are you so aggressive about this topic if its just a virtual home? If we take your arguments than bascially you have to simply accept that you dont own one and that it does not effect the current house owners at all.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Euhm, not all people agreed to the demolition timer. Certainly not when buying.
A lot of people bought a house before thete was a shortage or any whisper of demolition timer.

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I dont really care if people didn't agree to it, this game isn't a democracy.

I shouldnt be able to get a house because a bunch of people feel as if them getting the house should permanently lock it to them, even if they quit with no intention of returning? In a game where housing is a limited resource.....?

To be fair, even if autodemolish came back on, only 1-5% of houses were actually auto-demolished so far when the system was up. And that's because it's either people really didn't resub the game, or forgot, or actually had personal issues that they can't come online at all, or actually dead/hospitalized/has terminal illness.

Otherwise, people who own like 1 whole ward have kept their houses since the launch of auto-demolish because all they need to do is just login, walk into the house. reset the 45 days and log out.

Auto-demolish whether it's up or not, doesn't really change anything but only giving people the extra days to put less 1 hour effort to log in all of your characters/accounts to reset the demolish alerts.

At the end of the day, people who own entire ward/multiple houses will not get their houses auto-demolished. They'll just keep it empty and unused, and watch others cross their fingers that house will be gone.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

So if people in real life should not care about their virtual house why should you care about getting one? Why are you so aggressive about this topic if its just a virtual home? If we take your arguments than bascially you have to simply accept that you dont own one and that it does not effect the current house owners at all.

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Here is the thing. Everyone here wants fairness right? So turning a auto demo timer would be fair correct? What if a player stopped playing or sadly passed away and the house just sits there forever. Wouldn't it be smarter to to have the system turned back and in theory lower the time needed for auto demo? Problem is everyone defending it isn't truly using their brain and seeing the bigger picture. Just using the small logic of timer bad, timer stay off. Whereas the timer creates fairness for people who have decided to never come back or whatever reason and a plot just sits there never used when someone else could use it

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

None of which have the same global impact. We are being fair.

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Lul.

"Oh your parents got killed in front of you? Tough luck kid should've been born in a country that actually mattered and I maybe would've sent you thots and prayers."

Gatekeeping war. Love to see it.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

Lul.

"Oh your parents got killed in front of you? Tough luck kid should've been born in a country that actually mattered and I maybe would've sent you thots and prayers."

Gatekeeping war. Love to see it.

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sending thots? nice that is very generous XD

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

Lul.

"Oh your parents got killed in front of you? Tough luck kid should've been born in a country that actually mattered and I maybe would've sent you thots and prayers."

Gatekeeping war. Love to see it.

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You do understand that I'm not saying the war doesn't MATTER AT ALL.. I'm saying that if the war doesn't impact a significant amount of people who play FFXIV , it logically follows SE wouldn't do anything about it.


So, very cute trying to demonize my take as gatekeeping, but if people would actually pay attention to what is happening and where these wars are and who they impact, they'd be able to see that , no, not every war would warrant stopping demolition.

This isn't about "this war is horrible, that war is not". All war is horrendous. This is about who and what it affects.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Euhm, not all people agreed to the demolition timer. Certainly not when buying.
A lot of people bought a house before thete was a shortage or any whisper of demolition timer.

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I bought my first house in 2014. I lost in after the first purge during HW. I didn't even know there was an auto-demolition timer. Never read the patch notes. That email probably went into "Promotions" or Spam. It happens. I wasn't playing the game and the entire purpose of the auto-demolition timer was to reclaim houses from players like me. I'm pretty sure I didn't come back in time to reclaim my gil or items.

However, I did NOT agree to that system.

I don't know what the solution is. I think picking one specific aspect of the game to "reset" your progress is silly. Our levels, gil, quest progression, achievements, etc aren't reset if we take a break. Why does housing?

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Originally Posted by dspguy

I don't know what the solution is. I think picking one specific aspect of the game to "reset" your progress is silly. Our levels, gil, quest progression, achievements, etc aren't reset if we take a break. Why does housing?

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None of those things are preventing other players from experiencing a certain part of the game. Housing is, due to it's limited supply.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

You do understand that I'm not saying the war doesn't MATTER AT ALL.. I'm saying that if the war doesn't impact a significant amount of people who play FFXIV , it logically follows SE wouldn't do anything about it.


So, very cute trying to demonize my take as gatekeeping, but if people would actually pay attention to what is happening and where these wars are and who they impact, they'd be able to see that , no, not every war would warrant stopping demolition.

This isn't about "this war is horrible, that war is not". All war is horrendous. This is about who and what it affects.

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Your take was gatekeeping.

Your response wasn't and I wouldn't have quoted you if that's what your initial post actually said.

What your initial post said:

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

None of which have the same global impact. We are being fair.

It speaks a lot to the amount of people frustrated and the poor structuring of housing that y'all'd love to just act like nothings happening so you can get your virtual house..... but yeah.

The globally impacting , exceedingly dangerous to the entire civilized world conflict continues.. lots of people have more to worry about than their FFXIV house and it's a nice gesture that they don't have to.

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is implying that some wars matter more than others.

There is a "Return to Eorzea" that just started, that's usually a sign that housing demo is close (inside 90 days) to being back on. They tend to go hand-in-hand.

https://i.gyazo.com/caff26b9267707ac...94b34cd23b.jpg

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

What your initial post said: is implying that some wars matter more than others.

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No it doesn't. It says "none of which have the same global impact". Which is absolutely true.


also maybe read ANY of the rest of my replies for context.

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

Here is the thing. Everyone here wants fairness right? So turning a auto demo timer would be fair correct? What if a player stopped playing or sadly passed away and the house just sits there forever. Wouldn't it be smarter to to have the system turned back and in theory lower the time needed for auto demo? Problem is everyone defending it isn't truly using their brain and seeing the bigger picture. Just using the small logic of timer bad, timer stay off. Whereas the timer creates fairness for people who have decided to never come back or whatever reason and a plot just sits there never used when someone else could use it

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I wonder if you would still found it fair if you finally get a house and then lose it thanks to the timer?

How about instead of punishing players we make it fair in a way that EVERYONE gets a house. Instead of wanting that bandaid back that wont free many houses while also hurting someone that was not able to log in, we group together and demand SE to change that system? How about a round of instanced housing where you can decide which house size you want?

Instanced housing would be the best way for this game. Everyone gets a house, the rewards in events and quests dont feel like a punch for those that dont have one and maybe people would chill out more instead of trying to hurt others so that they can get their chance. (And still fail because there are simply too many people)

Days ago someone wrote in my house that he gives it a -2 in decoration and that he could do so much better with it. Sorry player, its not my fault that I have this house and you dont have one. Dont need to be rude for it.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I wonder if you would still found it fair if you finally get a house and then lose it thanks to the timer?

How about instead of punishing players we make it fair in a way that EVERYONE gets a house. Instead of wanting that bandaid back that wont free many houses while also hurting someone that was not able to log in, we group together and demand SE to change that system? How about a round of instanced housing where you can decide which house size you want?

Instanced housing would be the best way for this game. Everyone gets a house, the rewards in events and quests dont feel like a punch for those that dont have one and maybe people would chill out more instead of trying to hurt others so that they can get their chance. (And still fail because there are simply too many people)

Days ago someone wrote in my house that he gives it a -2 in decoration and that he could do so much better with it. Sorry player, its not my fault that I have this house and you dont have one. Dont need to be rude for it.

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Would report the one who left such a nasty comment. Idk how people think it is ok to do that. I love wandering the houses and seeing everyone's own style. Some really blow you away and others give neat ideas for your own home. Some epic gpose spots people create too!

In other news I accidentally planted two curiel roots instead of krakka root for cross breeding T.T

I wish there was a nice "show your home" thread in the housing part of the forum. Would be nice to see houses on other DC without needing to level an alt.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

you're acting like every war affects everyone and everywhere the same.. which they decidedly don't. This isn't just "omg there's a war" .. there are a LOT of effects worldwide if you'd care to pay attention.

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I know you didn't mean it like that but it could also be read as if certain lives don't matter as much because they don't affect as much people. While that is certainly how the world operates it's a bit weird to argue like that over virtual houses.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Would report the one who left such a nasty comment. Idk how people think it is ok to do that. I love wandering the houses and seeing everyone's own style. Some really blow you away and others give neat ideas for your own home. Some epic gpose spots people create too!

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I love doing that too :) It's super fun to see what people do.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I wish there was a nice "show your home" thread in the housing part of the forum. Would be nice to see houses on other DC without needing to level an alt.

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"Show us your house"! I wonder if it could work, like the "show us your avatar" threads without turning into a saltfest? It would be awesome if we can do it!

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I know you didn't mean it like that but it could also be read as if certain lives don't matter as much because they don't affect as much people. While that is certainly how the world operates it's a bit weird to argue like that over virtual houses.

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Sure. but instead of snarky replies (not you.. others) I'm sure down to clarify any questions or misconceptions people might have.

It IS really weird to hear people disregard other peoples lives and livelyhoods just because "they're not me" though.

I'd be fine losing said house if I quit. *shrugs*

I know what I signed up for.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I'd be fine losing said house if I quit. *shrugs*
I know what I signed up for.

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Exactly. I was fine losing my small house and my spouse's medium when we went on hiatus.
Since the new lottery system started, we've managed to get a small back.
Eventually, we'll get back a medium as well. Or maybe even a large, with a lot of luck. :)
That's the long-term goal, and it's good to have long-term goals in a game like FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I wonder if you would still found it fair if you finally get a house and then lose it thanks to the timer?

How about instead of punishing players we make it fair in a way that EVERYONE gets a house. Instead of wanting that bandaid back that wont free many houses while also hurting someone that was not able to log in, we group together and demand SE to change that system? How about a round of instanced housing where you can decide which house size you want?

Instanced housing would be the best way for this game. Everyone gets a house, the rewards in events and quests dont feel like a punch for those that dont have one and maybe people would chill out more instead of trying to hurt others so that they can get their chance. (And still fail because there are simply too many people)

Days ago someone wrote in my house that he gives it a -2 in decoration and that he could do so much better with it. Sorry player, its not my fault that I have this house and you dont have one. Dont need to be rude for it.

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You do realize, that it is kinda profitable for the system they have in place, for anyone with an attachment to their digital ingame house? You effectively cant quit. Your subscription is assured, if they can get you attached enough to having a ingame house that the idea of losing is kinda is in part warranting a continued subscription. That youll login just to maintain it, and since that requires a subscription...

Its kinda rude what he posted, maybe not out of jealousy though.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I wish there was a nice "show your home" thread in the housing part of the forum. Would be nice to see houses on other DC without needing to level an alt.

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There is. It ended up buried by threads about problems with the housing system so there hasn't been a new post in about 6 months.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...how-your-house

I think most players are used to going to places like Housing Snap now because they're a bit better suited to searching out specific design styles than a forum thread.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

You do realize, that it is kinda profitable for the system they have in place, for anyone with an attachment to their digital ingame house? You effectively cant quit. Your subscription is assured, if they can get you attached enough to having a ingame house that the idea of losing is kinda is in part warranting a continued subscription. That youll login just to maintain it, and since that requires a subscription...

Its kinda rude what he posted, maybe not out of jealousy though.

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Why get attached to a house in a game that you don't want be playing when you could focus on making a house in a different game that you do want to play and/or wouldn't be subject to demolition?

People let themselves get drawn into financial loss for the strangest of reasons sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There is. It ended up buried by threads about problems with the housing system so there hasn't been a new post in about 6 months.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...how-your-house

I think most players are used to going to places like Housing Snap now because they're a bit better suited to searching out specific design styles than a forum thread.


Why get attached to a house in a game that you don't want be playing when you could focus on making a house in a different game that you do want to play and/or wouldn't be subject to demolition?

People let themselves get drawn into financial loss for the strangest of reasons sometimes.

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Because its a great housing system, that i would like access to, but if i quit i may not be able to get one for awhile if i ever decide to come back