Healer dps is unfairly boring

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Originally Posted by Corbeau

With the exception of Clemency, which is a huge DPS loss, the self-healing tools for other roles are laughable compared to what a healer can output. The existence of those tools isn't the problem, it's how powerful healer abilities are relative to the incoming damage.

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You say but they do add to healer downtime some just not immediately, seriously 3 phoenixs up is basically why am I here for those 20s, some can be planned around curing waltz, equilibrium etc which reduce needing to heal thus saving ogcds or spending those gcds on our 1 nuke spam others not so thus have the potential to but are unlikely to reduce.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I don't think they have to increase outgoing damage to force healers to use more GCD heals. I agree that the philosophy here isn't very good. I think all they have to do is adjust ogcd and GCD heals. I think ogcd heals should support the healing requirement, not outright take it completely over. I know this would result in healers doing less overall damage. I know this would affect encounters and put more pressure on DPS and tanks to push phases. And I say good. Where do I sign up?

I think a healer being able to solo heal in any encounter to be quite telling, and it happens in just about all content.

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I think it would take so little out of SE to do this. Like in Baelsar's Wall, it's steamrolled today, but back when it first came out something surprised me: In the packs after the first bridge there are some archers, these have two dots each and after a while they start putting these on random party members. I didnt notice at first, because the damage is just low enough to not panic about but leave it long enough as the tank pulled everything and cooldowns is against their religion, then things get hectice when you notice Whispering dawn isn't negating the dots and you contemplate spending gcds Leeching them off. I can't think of other dungeons that pulled this off: A threat or damage source that is relatively weak, but quickly ramps up in seriousness the longer it stays ignored.

Simply having mobs do more to random party members that aren't sidestepping another red circle: Random small unavoidable attacks. A heavy status before the red circle. Mobs doing push/pull on the tank/healer. Have to stand in damage fields to get the mobs. Mobs with heavy spike damage. Mobs buffing themselvs on steroids if not pulled in time. Mobs from another pack sending large aoes when out of combat. As I keep typing this I realize all this is already in the game: In PotD. Not only do you need to worry about the ever increasing stats on mobs, but that some, like the sand worm, will randomly unavoidable aoe someone if you're too close and not pulled, Bird of Palace doing quick-aoes that inflict confusion or that the Zu will bodyslam and stun aoe random targets. I think it could liven both dungeons and healer role quite up.

But they'd better include /kiss and /dote to cure Frog before adding in snakes that instantly eat you if you look slightly amphibian.

IMHO the truth is the healer changes with shadowbringers were an unmitigated disaster, they butchered scholar entirely and utterly messed up Astrologian, as for WHM it is the most playable but I seriously hate how they took Aero III from WHM it's a great spell for mass pulls.

Honestly if I were to make changes it would be the following

WHM

Get rid of fluid aura change it to water (Seriously water is the only element no PC can cast) make it a short range aoe spell upgradable like stone and aero so WHM doesnt have to purely rely on the stunlock breaking Holy all the time.
Return Aero III, have it share effect with Aero/Aero II like thunder so WHM can just aoe dot the mobs on large pulls once.

SCH

Revert the changes on DPS to some degree leave AoW but give back miasma 2 and center it around the target rather than the player upgrading to something else later.
Make SCH shields ablative not only absorbing damage but refecting damage to mobs that hit players with them as their unique effect, let them stack with AST variant.

AST
Change card effects entirely they're too damn bland, Make them aoe on all of them with 3 having a party boosting effect and 3 having an enemy debuffing effect for example
Give Ast an aoe dot and make Stellar Burst usable more often.
Ditch the stances make it so at lvl50 AST can both shield and regen and ditch neutral stance in favour of a lvl80 DPS boost or ability.

WHM is the closest atm to how a healer should be as it's the most flexible and fun right now the other 2 are such a mess I just simply cannot be bothered to play them they feel weak and rigid. The truth is EVERYONE wants to DPS its why people disliked tanking until they made it more fun to be able to hit back as hard as you get hit with shadowbringers and made AoE's more useful. Healers are the only type that got messed up with shadowbringers bar WHM taking the least amount of nerfs.

So a small question but are the people asking for more dps skills aware as to why the devs shifted to this direction in the first place? Im just trying to find out if you are informed. Like, do you understand why healers are the way they are right now?

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Originally Posted by HiroesX81

Like, do you understand why healers are the way they are right now?

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The reason is that there's a huge disconnect between how healers are played in the game and how the devs want healers to be played.

There really isn't a logical explanation. Nobody asked for the healers' dps kit to be dumbed down, because it was already very manageable. Some (inexperienced) healers complained that they were expected to dps, but healers are now expected to dps more than ever. If anything, ShB made things worse for those that wanted healers to focus more on healing. Healers dps is more frequent (because, again, they have more oGCD than ever) and less varied (because they have less offensive tools, so they mostly spam 1 button).

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

The reason is that there's a huge disconnect between how healers are played in the game and how the devs want healers to be played.

There really isn't a logical explanation. Nobody asked for the healers' dps kit to be dumbed down, because it was already very manageable. Some (inexperienced) healers complained that they were expected to dps, but healers are now expected to dps more than ever. If anything, ShB made things worse for those that wanted healers to focus more on healing. Healers dps is more frequent (because, again, they have more oGCD than ever) and less varied (because they have less offensive tools, so they mostly spam 1 button).

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^Basically this.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

The reason is that there's a huge disconnect between how healers are played in the game and how the devs want healers to be played.

There really isn't a logical explanation. Nobody asked for the healers' dps kit to be dumbed down, because it was already very manageable. Some (inexperienced) healers complained that they were expected to dps, but healers are now expected to dps more than ever. If anything, ShB made things worse for those that wanted healers to focus more on healing. Healers dps is more frequent (because, again, they have more oGCD than ever) and less varied (because they have less offensive tools, so they mostly spam 1 button).

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Ironically, they actually nerfed healing potency by keeping it at Stormblood levels. What's truly baffling is they scaled every fight to accommodate that lower potency, which defeats the entire point. Shadowbringer healers honestly feel like six chefs in a kitchen all trying to cook the same meal six different ways and it resulting in a jumbled mess.

What will be interesting going forward is unlike previous expansions where the raid healers were primarily complaining. Now a lot of non-raid healers are also saying how bored they are. Maybe we'll actually see some better results. It's one reason I hope they add only one new job in 6.0 (healer, obviously).

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Originally Posted by HiroesX81

So a small question but are the people asking for more dps skills aware as to why the devs shifted to this direction in the first place? Im just trying to find out if you are informed. Like, do you understand why healers are the way they are right now?

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My apologies. I can't seem to hear you over the sound of dozens of broils while waiting for a boss to auto twice before using a cast bar skill.

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Originally Posted by HiroesX81

So a small question but are the people asking for more dps skills aware as to why the devs shifted to this direction in the first place? Im just trying to find out if you are informed. Like, do you understand why healers are the way they are right now?

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Pulling up a TEA clear of mine...

Scholar: 275 DPS casts; 74 Healing casts
White Mage: 204 DPS casts; 123 Healing casts

That totals for 41% of their combined casts on healing in the hardest fight in the game. This is with not nearly healing at an optimal level. And I purposely pulled a run where they had to Raise and heal more than usual. I included oGCDs in those calculation, by the way.

So what direction did the devs switch to because it certainly hasn't resulted in more healing, which was their intent.

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Originally Posted by HiroesX81

So a small question but are the people asking for more dps skills aware as to why the devs shifted to this direction in the first place? Im just trying to find out if you are informed. Like, do you understand why healers are the way they are right now?

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yes and it is exactly as lastelli said.
So a small question to you, do/did you play as a healer in SHB and if it was in the past why did u swap to a different role?

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Pulling up a TEA clear of mine...

Scholar: 275 DPS casts; 74 Healing casts
White Mage: 204 DPS casts; 123 Healing casts

That totals for 41% of their combined casts on healing in the hardest fight in the game. This is with nearly healing at an optimal level. And I purposely pulled a run where they had to Raise and heal more than usual. I included oGCDs in those calculation, by the way.

So what direction did the devs switch to because it certainly hasn't resulted in more healing, which was their intent.

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That's a pretty compelling argument. I wonder if it's generalizable (my gut feeling is yes); if we could get the numbers and create a stronger case..

What is certain with the kind of battle system we have is : as long as there is a offensive move, healers will use it and try to maximize it's usage. They would scrap the toolkit to StoneI/MaleficI/RuinI and it would still be the case.

I wonder why people always think that to make healing more interesting means having to add more complexity to the DPS part of the job and not more to the healing part of the job, or adding more of a support component to the job. Sometimes I wonder if people would rather not have healing or tank roles at all and just give everyone potions or something to use when their health runs low, then everyone can be a DPS job.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I wonder why people always think that to make healing more interesting means having to add more complexity to the DPS part of the job and not more to the healing part of the job, or adding more of a support component to the job. Sometimes I wonder if people would rather not have healing or tank roles at all and just give everyone potions or something to use when their health runs low, then everyone can be a DPS job.

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Pretty sure that the developers would prefer that, yes.

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Originally Posted by Corbeau

Pretty sure that the developers would prefer that, yes.

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They do seem kind of half hearted on the healer roles at least. I am still fully expected to hear that balance is a problem among healers so no new one for 6.0

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Originally Posted by Ardox

That's a pretty compelling argument. I wonder if it's generalizable (my gut feeling is yes); if we could get the numbers and create a stronger case..

What is certain with the kind of battle system we have is : as long as there is a offensive move, healers will use it and try to maximize it's usage. They would scrap the toolkit to StoneI/MaleficI/RuinI and it would still be the case.

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You would be correct.

Both of them were mid blue range on that particularly log (68% and 65%). Looking at a friend's log where he played extremely safe, 48% of his casts were still on DPS abilities.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I wonder why people always think that to make healing more interesting means having to add more complexity to the DPS part of the job and not more to the healing part of the job, or adding more of a support component to the job. Sometimes I wonder if people would rather not have healing or tank roles at all and just give everyone potions or something to use when their health runs low, then everyone can be a DPS job.

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It isn't that people don't want more interesting healing mechanics; many of us, in fact, do. We just have little belief the dev team will listen. They place accessibility above all else, which typically means making everything less complex. This, unfortunately, makes content easier.

I'd love for actual focus on healing, which was supposed to happen in Shadowbringers. You can see the results.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

The reason is that there's a huge disconnect between how healers are played in the game and how the devs want healers to be played.

There really isn't a logical explanation. Nobody asked for the healers' dps kit to be dumbed down, because it was already very manageable. Some (inexperienced) healers complained that they were expected to dps, but healers are now expected to dps more than ever. If anything, ShB made things worse for those that wanted healers to focus more on healing. Healers dps is more frequent (because, again, they have more oGCD than ever) and less varied (because they have less offensive tools, so they mostly spam 1 button).

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Pretty much this.

On paper it looks like “oh it’s more of a healer focus they are moving towards” and some of the defences I see people make is exactly that.

In practice is the exact opposite.

It seems odd, but it makes sense when you think about it, a stronger healing kit means less healing. Or is the case if the content doesn’t scale with it.

In effect they’ve made the “I wanna heal more” camp heal less.
And they’ve made the “I like green DPS” camp bored.

Healers are healers lol wdym lolol

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I wonder why people always think that to make healing more interesting means having to add more complexity to the DPS part of the job and not more to the healing part of the job, or adding more of a support component to the job. Sometimes I wonder if people would rather not have healing or tank roles at all and just give everyone potions or something to use when their health runs low, then everyone can be a DPS job.

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Or we can have healers being changed in the same way that tanks did, with aggro becoming trivial to hold while they can focus on their dps.

Soon in 6.0 :

- all heal/support/rez active skills and ogcds have been removed from healers ;
- healers have been given a true dps rotation on par with dps jobs ;
- healers have been given a level 1 passive skill : "you now heal, support and rez party members for a part of the damages you do on the ennemies".

Imo the best way to get rid of a lot of problems, like people complaining of zero dps healers. Or healers being so focused on their dps that they forget their primary role and let everyone die, like we did have before 5.0 with tanks losing aggro due to the fact that they were not wanting to use tank stance and aggro combo doing less dps.

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

Or we can have healers being changed in the same way that tanks did, with aggro becoming trivial to hold while they can focus on their dps.

Soon in 6.0 :

- all heal/support/rez active skills and ogcds have been removed from healers ;
- healers have been given a true dps rotation on par with dps jobs ;
- healers have been given a level 1 passive skill : "you now heal, support and rez party members for a part of the damages you do on the ennemies".

Imo the best way to get rid of a lot of problems, like people complaining of zero dps healers. Or healers being so focused on their dps that they forget their primary role and let everyone die, like we did have before 5.0 with tanks losing aggro due to the fact that they were not wanting to use tank stance and aggro combo doing less dps.

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They dont need a full dps rotation just 1-2 skills that will break 1 dd single target spam or 11 aoe skill spam.

White mage need just 1-2 skills maybe like assize that will break his glare spam.

Scholar newd 1 extra dot and maybe bane to feel good

Ast need to have his card mechanic be redesign to make it more interesting and make players choices more thought out and impactful then just care for seal and not caring what card was drawn cause they are the same.

Once they do that, healers will be more interesting to play with solid and easy healing kit and maybe then could SE handle each job technical issues.

To add to the kit, I wouldnt mind having a second DoT. Just one extra button to press while not compromising philosophy that healers should heal first and foremost. So in this sense, I agree with OP, as long as it's something simple.

To change gameplay, a few things:
1. I would like an official in-game bind of "target lowest HP player in party". I feel this would help out newbies and experts alike -- you can continue doing what you're doing, and optimally, minimally, press just the one key each time to save that one guy who ate that nasty thing. Of course one can still be like, "oh, 3rd person down the list... need to press F3", but for many cases the "lowest hp" button should be faster and still correctly target the person you'd want. Aside: as I understand it, SCH faerie already auto-heals the lowest HP person, so a SCH might purposely want to heal the "second-lowest" HP, leaving the other for the faerie.

2. AST's Gravity should spread from the caster's body like Holy does, untargeted. You'd then be able to cast it OOC in city centers, parties, weddings, and be just as annoying as the other healers. In combat, you'd benefit by not having to specifically target an enemy, similar to what other healers do. I'd rather have untargeted close than targeted 25y -- we all know how garbage the target cycling is anyway. It's great that healers try to do their own thing, but some measure of standardization is nice, too.

3. Remove AST "Undraw". There's no point to this. At worst, eat the card drawn for no cooldown, with no chance of a downside.

4. Other players should have an option toggle "Allow rescue" on or off. There's too much trolling from certain healers for players' rights to be violated in an unconsented manner. If someone doesn't want to be rescued, it should just give the healer an error like "unrescuable target" and not cost a cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Decent healers who had any independent thought were thinking this when they released the previews.

"Wait until it goes live and THEN make judgements" we were told.

So we did

"Maybe SE will finally make mobs hit harder so healer's will have to heal!"

Nope. Still casting just as many GCD's on damage spells as before. Just now the rotation is 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2

And again and again we were proved right. It's like the FFXIV development team has no idea that healers have to be able to complete the MSQ. They need damage to do that.

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It's one of those moment where seeing all premonitions come true doesn't feel good at all.

Saw another interview come and go with the most neutral of questions about Shadowbringers. What with FF14 being at the upcoming PAX convention, where are the journalists that played Shadowbringers for longer than to the credits, slapped goty on it and never looked at it again. Someone who can come within question-asking distance with the Director without the questions in question being vetted or handpicked. Not for particulary accusatory questions, but when asked about our green iconed jobs (and class) get the kind of behind-the-scenes excited exuberantion they show for pretty much everything else when asked about 1.0, the lore and when they spent twenty minutes talking about nin on Live Letter LV.

Given the track record, I can imagine Yoshida sitting, pretending to look ponderous for a moment, suddenly shoot out an arm with an outstretched finger pointing in the back of the room, shouting "Nani?" and while everyone's heads are turned he bolts from the room and to not be seen again for the rest of PAX. Succesfully avoiding talking about ast, sch and whm again.

Because despite the Director going on about playing MMO's of the past, SE seem quite happy lumping whm, ast and sch together all under "healer" as all their problems are the same and can be solved the same way. Would like to think someone playing that long ago that nuances and inconvenices to work around and eventuelly with is playstyle with draw when you have many to choose from.

Only other mention I came across was in an interview with Famitsu with the battle scenario, but also battle systems team. Thanks to U/CarrieRofLight for the translation. (link)

"Kawamoto: As a member of the battle system team, i wanted healers to be conscious. We actually held down/nerfed healers' healing capibilities across the board in shadowbringers, so having a percentage based attack that hit hard was on purpose."

Which just confirms what we knew: Healing spells effect havn't increased, actually went down. Really hope they can get Kawamoto up for a Q&A or interview, he might know more why we got the iteration we have now, why everything under and at 80 feels like an afterthought.

Honestly, healing as a whole is just unappealing right now unless you like healing so much that you don't mind healer dps rotations being uniform across the board.

All simplifying healing does is just make healers worse overall because the high skill players will get bored and play dps/tanks since those actually have complexity other than glare spam between medica casts, as well as remove any skill variation between healers to just "Which healer used the most glares/broils in the fight?"

IMO healers need like 1-3 more dps abilities. On the OGCD would be ideal with low cooldowns.

My problem with healers is we went from several dps options to 3 for the most part which is not fun for me. So much so that I am leveling up my healers in MSQ roulette because if Im going to be bored might as well get moogle tomes for it.

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Originally Posted by Derio

IMO healers need like 1-3 more dps abilities. On the OGCD would be ideal with low cooldowns.

My problem with healers is we went from several dps options to 3 for the most part which is not fun for me. So much so that I am leveling up my healers in MSQ roulette because if Im going to be bored might as well get moogle tomes for it.

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I don't remember WHM or AST really having anymore options than they do now. In fact WHM really ended up evening out with the loss of Aero III but the gain of blood lilly. AST always just had malefic and combust, with lord of crowns thrown in whenever it came up. I guess earthly star also but that isnt just a DPS skill.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I don't remember WHM or AST really having anymore options than they do now. In fact WHM really ended up evening out with the loss of Aero III but the gain of blood lilly. AST always just had malefic and combust, with lord of crowns thrown in whenever it came up. I guess earthly star also but that isnt just a DPS skill.

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From hw to stormblood we lost cleric stance toggle, to flatten the skill ceiling on healer so everyone can play it. From stormblood too shadowbringer we lost cleric stance and a dot on sch and whm. And don’t forget sch having the possibility to spread dots and shadow flame, that’s just gone for whatever reason ( too difficult for new player that want to play sch , ofc they need to appeal to wow players ;).They made astro cards so unappealing for controller players and even to some degree keyboard player it’s hilarious. Healing in a lot of fights is utter trash and unfun/challenging. And the healing down time we have we look for 1 debuffs every 30 secs and spam one button for dmg (pretty sure my keyboard dies on me in a raid if I continue that). Look for example Alexander ultimate the hardest (newest fight) in the game. The first two phases are really heal intensive and afterwards except the brute/chaser enrage in phase 3 there is nothing. Even perfect Alexander hits like a wet noodle in comparison to the first bloody phase. You spend so mutch time pressing the same one button so long in a row, it’s not fun or challenging.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I don't remember WHM or AST really having anymore options than they do now. In fact WHM really ended up evening out with the loss of Aero III but the gain of blood lilly. AST always just had malefic and combust, with lord of crowns thrown in whenever it came up. I guess earthly star also but that isnt just a DPS skill.

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in heavensward AST had combust 1 (instant) and combust 2 (casted)

The shb changes at least lays the ground work for 6.0, as boring as they feel the healers, they and even tanks are actually pretty darn balanced. So yeah they could easily expand on healer dps since heals are pretty fairly covered, sch and ast could use a bene or % based heal cause living and super still suck to heal thru with them but that about it heal wise.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

The shb changes at least lays the ground work for 6.0, as boring as they feel the healers, they and even tanks are actually pretty darn balanced. So yeah they could easily expand on healer dps since heals are pretty fairly covered, sch and ast could use a bene or % based heal cause living and super still suck to heal thru with them but that about it heal wise.

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The groundwork of healers has been laid out.
Only by level 80?

"Don't worry, New Healer main. The game will start for real in the level 81-90 stretch. Look forward to it!"

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Originally Posted by YusiKha

The groundwork of healers has been laid out.
Only by level 80?

"Don't worry, New Healer main. The game will start for real in the level 81-90 stretch. Look forward to it!"

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Well to be fair a new healer prolly never got to experince things before the great purge! :P Also expect to lose out of those big beautiful numbers anyway im sure well get hit with a number crunch then too. Also also always the possibility well see a new healer in 6.0 sure these 3 are pretty balanced but new can always stur things up. Please continue to support our forum with complaints the devs look forward to it! :D

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Originally Posted by YusiKha

The groundwork of healers has been laid out.
Only by level 80?

"Don't worry, New Healer main. The game will start for real in the level 81-90 stretch. Look forward to it!"

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This is the real issue with the wait and see future changes crowd, Why should it take 80 levels for you to feel invested or having fun in any any job let alone 90.

Does not matter if they change how content interacts for healers in 5.2, 6.0, X.X what have you, they need to improve the experience throughout from ARR to ShB else it will remain harder to keep fresh healers invested and if veteran healers keep getting turned off with how content currently is designed it only lead to a healer shortage.

Something will give, either the playerbase will just give up or the devs actually do something more likely the former but waiting and seeing just doesn't help anymore.

Go roulette: adventurer in need tank.

Tank queues 20 minutes

Healer queues instant.

I demand my special reward for being green dps with heals.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Well to be fair a new healer prolly never got to experince things before the great purge!

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So they'll think that everyone's always put up with boring as hell gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Also expect to lose out of those big beautiful numbers anyway im sure well get hit with a number crunch then too.

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Damage numbers? They've been content to keep them the same (or higher, in AST's case) since 5.0 dropped

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Also also always the possibility well see a new healer in 6.0 sure these 3 are pretty balanced but new can always stur things up.

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So now it's wait to level 70 to be able to unlock the only fun healer? Better than 90, at least.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Please continue to support our forum with complaints the devs look forward to it! :D

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I'm not going to sit by and pretend that everything's hunky dorey when the only fun healer content is Savage and Ultimate.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

This is the real issue with the wait and see future changes crowd, Why should it take 80 levels for you to feel invested or having fun in any any job let alone 90.

Does not matter if they change how content interacts for healers in 5.2, 6.0, X.X what have you, they need to improve the experience throughout from ARR to ShB else it will remain harder to keep fresh healers invested and if veteran healers keep getting turned off with how content currently is designed it only lead to a healer shortage.

Something will give, either the playerbase will just give up or the devs actually do something more likely the former but waiting and seeing just doesn't help anymore.

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The "wait and see" argument as a whole I find has its goal posts shift every time a goalpost is hit. I expect that the devs have a certain number of resources and have their priorities on what they spend it on and I'd mind less waiting if I knew where we stood and whether these will actually be addressed. So just a wait, rather than a wait and see, waiting is less of a problem, sure it's not ideal, but I accept that things don't happen overnight.

And what you've mentioned was one of the issues I had when the "wait and see" crowd stated their case after the media tour when the changes were revealed. "Maybe they're balanced around the difficulty of the new content" and I was like "if that's the case, content for levels 1 to 70 will be still be boring as heck".

I've just leveled PLD to 80 and it makes me kinda sad. Because I remember how PLD used to be in ARR. It was a 1...2...3 rotation that basically fulfilled the minimum requirements for a tank and most of its abilities were damage mitigation. It was a good tank for people new to tanking because it could take hits like a boss, but could get boring to play because it was a 1...2...3 rotation, which can be a be 'meh'. And now, PLD has a DPS rotation that's on par with a proper DPS job that flows and is really well designed IMO and feels varied because your rotations are made up of multiple parts and you weave in your tank abilities. It feels like healers how healers have evolved has been the reverse of Paladin. Paladin has gone from a tank I'm "meh, it's not that bad once you get it to level cap" to something I'm having a lot of fun with.

And like healers, a Paladin doesn't have to have a good DPS rotation to fulfill its role. 2.0 PLD is testament to that. It's also testament that when you've got a big gap when you can only DPS a poor DPS rotation can make it boring as heck to play. Its evolution demonstrates how much a good rotation can make a job fun to play. Or at least, "stuff to do in our downtime", because tanks by design only weave tank skills and healers by design are getting to be more like that with healing spells for the majority of content.

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Originally Posted by ReviaInfantry

Go roulette: adventurer in need tank.

Tank queues 20 minutes

Healer queues instant.

I demand my special reward for being green dps with heals.

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I really don't understand this. Tank is always adventurer in need while I get near dps like queues as tank lately. Healer is almost always instant queue. Feels like it's rigged towards tanks, although I guess it's probably to do with what I've unlocked for that roulette. Still doesn't seem right to me.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

I really don't understand this. Tank is always adventurer in need while I get near dps like queues as tank lately. Healer is almost always instant queue. Feels like it's rigged towards tanks, although I guess it's probably to do with what I've unlocked for that roulette. Still doesn't seem right to me.

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even in mentor roulette tank queues take like 5 mins while healer are instant despite tank supposedly being adventurer in need

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Originally Posted by YusiKha

So they'll think that everyone's always put up with boring as hell gameplay.



Damage numbers? They've been content to keep them the same (or higher, in AST's case) since 5.0 dropped



So now it's wait to level 70 to be able to unlock the only fun healer? Better than 90, at least.



I'm not going to sit by and pretend that everything's hunky dorey when the only fun healer content is Savage and Ultimate.

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Yeah pretty much! Unfortunately devs already mentioned they're pretty content with how healers play at the moment, boring as fuck for sure but gets you through content but aint so broken that its high on their priority list on things that need fixing, so yeah we arent seeing shit till next expac. D:

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Yeah pretty much! Unfortunately devs already mentioned they're pretty content with how healers play at the moment, boring as fuck for sure but gets you through content but aint so broken that its high on their priority list on things that need fixing, so yeah we arent seeing shit till next expac. D:

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IF we'll see any noticeable change till next expac. If they're satisfied with how healers play nowadays and how many people is playing healers, so they'll just double down that "pure healer" design. I wouldn't be surprised if they take off fairy from SCH, the cards from AST and lillies from WHM just to let them be "perfectly balanced".

Alas, I think they really hate healers. Last night I was trying to do my roulettes to earn some tomes to equip myself. Just to see the adventurer in need changing from healer to tank without even closing the duty finder window. And when I enter as a tank, it have a DPS like queue, while when I enter as a healer, the queue is almost always intant. That adventurer in need bonus is rigged towards tanks.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

IF we'll see any noticeable change till next expac. If they're satisfied with how healers play nowadays and how many people is playing healers, so they'll just double down that "pure healer" design. I wouldn't be surprised if they take off fairy from SCH, the cards from AST and lillies from WHM just to let them be "perfectly balanced".

Alas, I think they really hate healers. Last night I was trying to do my roulettes to earn some tomes to equip myself. Just to see the adventurer in need changing from healer to tank without even closing the duty finder window. And when I enter as a tank, it have a DPS like queue, while when I enter as a healer, the queue is almost always intant. That adventurer in need bonus is rigged towards tanks.

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Yeah, queue overall is pretty janky right now as well, patch dull period, also doesnt help gunbreaker shot up to be one of the most popular jobs in ffxiv. But yeah if it gets to a point where little to no one is queuing as heal then they'll pretty much have to figure something out before an expac, would prolly be a bandaid fix though. Other than heal dps, they could actually focus on their niche instead, ast card, sch fairy, whm lilies, build up on that stuff at least. Pretty much why im enjoying ast of all the heals atm, cards kinda fill in some of the boring down time, so yeah id be down with them improving those aspects and losing out on dps.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Other than heal dps, they could actually focus on their niche instead, ast card, sch fairy, whm lilies, build up on that stuff at least.

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How is SCH's niche the fairy. Like, I guess I get it, we have a totem that we can place and it sorta helps us heal but its not exactly a key part of our gameplay. Fairy Gauge barely matters as it is and we could essentially get the fairy skills as regular skills and SCH would not be different gameplay wise from any of the other healers. (Well maybe we'd have less delay on those fairy abilities)

Truly, the only exclusively unique thing that SCH can do that the other two healers can't do are Chain Stratagem, Recitation and Deployment Tactics.

I'd say what made SCH unique were her debuffs. Virus, Eye for and Eye and Chain Stratagem. And I think its a part of its identity that has been forgotten.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

How is SCH's niche the fairy. Like, I guess I get it, we have a totem that we can place and it sorta helps us heal but its not exactly a key part of our gameplay. Fairy Gauge barely matters as it is and we could essentially get the fairy skills as regular skills and SCH would not be different gameplay wise from any of the other healers. (Well maybe we'd have less delay on those fairy abilities)

Truly, the only exclusively unique thing that SCH can do that the other two healers can't do are Chain Stratagem, Recitation and Deployment Tactics.

I'd say what made SCH unique were her debuffs. Virus, Eye for and Eye and Chain Stratagem. And I think its a part of its identity that has been forgotten.

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Yep, SCH used to be the debuffer but not anymore.