Void Ark... Players are getting sick of Palette Swap Gear.

I too was dissapointed by the gear designs for Void ark :( not only by the fact that everyone looks identical but also it literally has no identity at all. When seeing the first concepts for void ark I was picturing something a bit alien-y and hoped maybe the gear would be a more out-there and darker Poetics/cybery look. I'm not sure I want to faceroll content just to look like everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

They...they added real NM and not invisible FATES!? They stopped palette swapping...wait..

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Originally Posted by Shori

I too was dissapointed by the gear designs for Void ark :( not only by the fact that everyone looks identical but also it literally has no identity at all. When seeing the first concepts for void ark I was picturing something a bit alien-y and hoped maybe the gear would be a more out-there and darker Poetics/cybery look. I'm not sure I want to faceroll content just to look like everyone else.

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See it this way.
The Ark is a black airship, builded by black mages, full with black armors. The white armor is from a whitemage spy.

Palette swaps, it's lazy +1

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

While there are no plans to give bonuses to those who cleared content before the addition of the Echo buff, we did submit the feedback that some of you had for more horizontal progression on rewards.

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[sarcasm]That sure looks like an absolute promise that horizontal progression was going to become a thing. Man, proved me wrong.[/sarcasm]

I'm not sure why people are complaining about the Soviet Russia spy outfit. It looks pretty sweet, though I'm not sure I'll spend the time to change up my nin outfit.

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Originally Posted by Eul

Already did with another Roegadyn sorry :p

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Same, but who said dagger fights couldn't turn into sword fights?!

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Originally Posted by Felis

See it this way.
The Ark is a black airship, builded by black mages, full with black armors. The white armor is from a whitemage spy.

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Yes, because that white outfit would totally go unnoticed. /straightface

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Yes, because that white outfit would totally go unnoticed. /straightface

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Black Mage: You there! Why are you not wearing black armor?

White Mage: Uh... I put too much bleach in the washing machine?

*The Black Mage stares intensely at the nervous White Mage.*

Black Mage: Sounds legit.

I'm okay with the gear actually. Unless they start making everything in the game able to be dyed it's just a passing fad for most of us.

Is void ark armor level 200?

I mean whats the point of getting it if it is? For glamour or some pieces my be better than af3

They don't cost Esoterics and (presumably) most people who actively play have at least two jobs leveled to 60.

And why would any sensible person expect Void Ark to drop Alexander Savage equivalent gear?

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Originally Posted by ZanzhizExaverion

We want more original designs for each class.

White Healer = Black Caster
Purple Ninja = Other Monk
BRD Gets unique gear. THANK YOU.
Tank Now = More Endowed DRG.

We want more innovative gear designs, more colors, more unique aspects to embody the job. We're all sick of Palette swaps, it's lazy.

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But let's ignore the esoteric armor that is job specific? Sounds logical.

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Originally Posted by Airget

But let's ignore the esoteric armor that is job specific? Sounds logical.

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We get unique job sets once every 2 years, not exactly something common.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Is void ark armor level 200?

I mean whats the point of getting it if it is? For glamour or some pieces my be better than af3

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it's stepping stone gear for raiding for a less hardcore population. you use them to throw gear at a class your main if your luck is crap in the raid, or if you haven't raided and are casual. i normally just use them to gear alts. that dragoon gear is something i'll probably be picking up.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Is void ark armor level 200?

I mean whats the point of getting it if it is? For glamour or some pieces my be better than af3

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The same point people did CT 1-3 at the time they came out.

to get gear for the main (if the 2nd stats on them are better for the job than the ones on the tome gear) and to get gear for alts who don't have already tome gear.
And of course for fun.

I feel a lot of the complaints about palette swaps can be resolved by making gear dyeable. That being said I really don't like how the void gear looks. Lore wise its perfect but I'm really tired of seeing long skirts on heavy armor, especially due to the clipping you get when running.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

...especially due to the clipping you get when running.

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I'm kind of tired of this being the biggest complaint... this is why we can't have nice things, like actual long hair, all the complaining over clipping that would ensue. Ysayle, your hair will never grace my head. T,T

You know, I really wouldn't mind palette swaps so much if they weren't done in the same tier. I actually like it when they reuse some gear for crafting recipes for instance (like Foestriker's and the i90 BRD set, for instance), especially if it's something we couldn't dye previously. I would be okay with more crafted sets being palette swaps of older dungeon gear if it meant classes like MNK/NIN and casters/healers could get unique sets whenever we get new raid sets and the like.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

this is why we can't have nice things.

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Or instead of blaming people who dislike clipping you can blame SE for not giving us some things like cloth and hair physics. But you know.


Something something ...memory limitations... something something... please look forward to.... memory limitations.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

.... memory limitations.

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Wow, didn't even need to add the ellipsis there. Fun fact, the PS3 has a much reduced physics engine whereas the PC and PS4 are capable of the full breadth of the game's physics engine, can't blame the PS3 this time.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Wow, didn't even need to add the ellipsis there. Fun fact, the PS3 has a much reduced physics engine whereas the PC and PS4 are capable of the full breadth of the game's physics engine, can't blame the PS3 this time.

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They made a deliberate decision to reduce the game's memory load with regard to physics and also polygon count because of how demanding 1.0 was on average computer hardware, from what I understand. I don't think it's so much memory limitations as it is a decision to keep the game playable on more run of the mill PCs.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

I don't think it's so much memory limitations as it is a decision to keep the game playable on more run of the mill PCs.

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Except on PC you can turn down the quality... Of course, there aren't that many options (like, say, Lotro with 8+ different quality presets, from Low to Extreme), but still...

I get the decision -- somewhat -- but I'm not happy with that excuse, since there are other ways to solve that issue ^^;

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Except on PC you can turn down the quality... Of course, there aren't that many options (like, say, Lotro with 8+ different quality presets, from Low to Extreme), but still...

I get the decision -- somewhat -- but I'm not happy with that excuse, since there are other ways to solve that issue ^^;

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From what I understand, even on minimums, 1.0 was far more taxing on hardware than ARR/HW are on max settings. Yoshi talked a bit about it at some conference sometime in the year before the game relaunched. The lower the bar is, the more systems the game can run on--there's only so much you can do with scaling since there are just some things you *can't* turn off and have the game function.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

From what I understand, even on minimums, 1.0 was far more taxing on hardware than ARR/HW are on max settings. Yoshi talked a bit about it at some conference sometime in the year before the game relaunched. The lower the bar is, the more systems the game can run on--there's only so much you can do with scaling since there are just some things you *can't* turn off and have the game function.

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Advanced physics can be disabled though, as seen in many, many games. The only excuse is that the engine likely doesn't support it (yet), and they're not willing to invest time into making those changes. I do remember Yoshida stating that he wanted to implemented physics based gameplay similar to that found in Everquest Next though, but that wasn't possible due to the PS3. Maybe after it's dropped.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

They made a deliberate decision to reduce the game's memory load with regard to physics and also polygon count because of how demanding 1.0 was on average computer hardware, from what I understand. I don't think it's so much memory limitations as it is a decision to keep the game playable on more run of the mill PCs.

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The PS3 has a total of 512 MB RAM, 256 MB for CPU and 256 MB for GPU. It's absurdly low for a game like FFXIV.

EDIT: And the recommended spec for computers is 4GB RAM. Just as a comparison.

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Originally Posted by Waryax

The PS3 has a total of 512 MB RAM, 256 MB for CPU and 256 MB for GPU. It's absurdly low for a game like FFXIV.

EDIT: And the recommended spec for computers is 4GB RAM. Just as a comparison.

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Right, but the PS3 version doesn't use an exact port of the PC version anyway--they made a number of other changes to make it work on that RAM. The PC version was still created in a way to make it available to a wide variety of hardware levels (4 GB isn't all that much RAM these days either, not for a dedicated gaming rig).

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Originally Posted by Colorful

The only excuse is that the engine likely doesn't support it (yet), and they're not willing to invest time into making those changes.

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It might be something we see in the future when the level of an "average" PC (in the minds of the developers anyway) has crept up some, since most MMOs do tend to improve graphics as they go. (There are some improvements in HW already, for instance). My only point was that one of the reasons we don't have it now doesn't have much to do with the PS3 but rather because they felt 1.0 was too taxing on common hardware. (The character models were much better in 1.0 and I wish we had them, I really do).

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Or instead of blaming people who dislike clipping you can blame SE for not giving us some things like cloth and hair physics. But you know.


Something something ...memory limitations... something something... please look forward to.... memory limitations.

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This is what happens when you try to use hair physics.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52516/?

That stuff looks like crap on most computers. HDT physics can also make boobs and butts wiggle, and fluid Khajiit tails, but they move unnaturally and this is a video game, not a Pixar film.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

This is what happens when you try to use hair physics.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52516/?

That stuff looks like crap on most computers. HDT physics can also make boobs and butts wiggle, and fluid Khajiit tails, but they move unnaturally and this is a video game, not a Pixar film.

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No, that's what happens when a modder toys with rather limited tool in their spare time to create something. This is what proper hair physics looks like (along with other physics).

They've already partnered up with Nvidia for HBAO+, there's no reason they can't implement GameWorks technology into the game.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

This is what happens when you try to use hair physics.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52516/?

That stuff looks like crap on most computers. HDT physics can also make boobs and butts wiggle, and fluid Khajiit tails, but they move unnaturally and this is a video game, not a Pixar film.

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And man's things... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

This is what happens when you try to use hair physics.

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How hard did you need to look to cherry pick that?

A fan made mod for a old game...

Regardless of what it looks like on some computers (most is a unknown metric you can't just spout off without backing it) it is a effect that can be turned off if required so we could get flowing physics on our character models for those of us who can support it, and turn it off for those who can't clipping be damned.

Because hey now that the EU servers are being done that phat stack of cash-shop money needs to go somewhere right?

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

Gear sharing is nothing new to the FF series so what is the big deal? Hell, gear sharing is pretty damn common in RPGs.

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I don't think gear sharing in itself is the issue. The issue is that it happens too often, pretty much always with the very same basic "trick", pretty much always to the same jobs (and many of the base designs have also gotten quite old, long ago, cue long caster robes). One of those signs that say "slow down with gear progression already" - as obviously the fact that we "have" to get new gear so often contributes to this phenomenon.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

No, that's what happens when a modder toys with rather limited tool in their spare time to create something. This is what proper hair physics looks like (along with other physics).

They've already partnered up with Nvidia for HBAO+, there's no reason they can't implement GameWorks technology into the game.

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thats over the top for a mmorpg but...i liked the tomb raider hair physics for example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IM8mqvwGzQ

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