Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

They can, the game doesn't need a new race

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The game doesnt need alot of things, but that doesnt stop SE from adding them or the players from requesting them.

As for 5.0, there will be a new race, not because SE wants to bring joy to the playerbase. New races are used to sell the expansion, with 4.0. Yoshida said that, because of the class balance and changes, the workload was too much. I predict the next new race will either be Viera or the Lupin.. I realy hope no Lupin, because the FFXIV werewolves look horrible.

My prediction: 5.0 = Viera and one of the new classes will be an orignal. Do not worry DPS players, one of the 5.0 classes will be a DPS. SE wont release a new tank and healer toghter, because of balance issues.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

I realy hope no Lupin, because the FFXIV werewolves look horrible.

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They look like they're just wearing Halloween masks to me. I have nothing against beastial races, but..just don't make it look like that :X

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

They look like they're just wearing Halloween masks to me. I have nothing against beastial races, but..just don't make it look like that :X

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Tru. I would rather have one or all of the pre-existing ARR/HW beast tribe races than furry tall men with wolf head and tail; Especially Amalj'aa or Sahagin.

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Originally Posted by UsagiAndCrepes

tl;dr viera aren't digitigrade, no reason to make them digitigrade now

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If the concept art is anything to go by, SE intendeds them to be. It's probably the only way to make them visually different (aside from their ears, which will also need to have some hat redesigns) from Miqo'te (which Yoshi-P himself said they looked like, but taller) and Elezen.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Good point! I'm really not too familiar with any FF titles outside of XI and XIV, and hadn't realized they crossed so many titles. I mainly know Viera as Fran. Also, I love a good pear-shape! I'm down with a pear-shaped flat-footer.

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I agree, viera are a perfect race to introduce a hip slider to the character creation screen.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

If the concept art is anything to go by, SE intendeds them to be. It's probably the only way to make them visually different

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I give benefit of the doubt to the artists that they understand anatomy and they were not trying to create a chimera monster but just sketching. Digitigrade locomotion is found mostly on the opposite end of the animal kingdom, it helps with prowling and chasing down prey. Plantigrade feet help with load bearing and self defense, and lagomorphs are the fastest plantigrade animals due to very light and fragile skeletons with powerful leg muscles.

High heels support the heel of a plantigrade foot, providing height and stability. Hypothetically a digitigrade foot/leg cannot wear heels because the heel would hang loose off the back and get in the way like strapping a chair to your thighs.

They already have many unique features that don't introduce inconsistencies.

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Originally Posted by TheDukeofSpook

Tru. I would rather have one or all of the pre-existing ARR/HW beast tribe races than furry tall men with wolf head and tail; Especially Amalj'aa or Sahagin.

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Because they all actually look bestial. Lupin would have hit the mark far better if it didn't look like they appropriated a highlander body and slapped a wolf mask on top. Which, to be fair, the Kojin also suffer from. Once I learned they could detach their shells it just made my initially 'TMNT cosplay' thoughts run rampant. Their faces don't even more when they talk. >:

Would Viera be taller than Roegadyn? o.o

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Originally Posted by SilvaSun

Would Viera be taller than Roegadyn? o.o

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With their ears almost definitely. Not too sure about how tall they'd be without them though, even in FF12 their heights were fairly varied, I distinctly remember Fran and her sisters had at least a heads worth of height difference between them.

+1 for viera bc they have a special place in my heart (first exposure was from xii when i was younger) but if we're hypothetically talking about the possibility of viera clans, specifically viera and the RW feol, i'm mostly worried about customisation. since viera lore says the virea we're more aware of have white hair (with the exception of hair dye)/dark skin, and the feol are opposite of that, that sounds a little limiting? unless xiv implements a non-tactics/xii viera race which opens up more customisation...

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Originally Posted by killstein

+1 for viera bc they have a special place in my heart (first exposure was from xii when i was younger) but if we're hypothetically talking about the possibility of viera clans, specifically viera and the RW feol, i'm mostly worried about customisation. since viera lore says the virea we're more aware of have white hair (with the exception of hair dye)/dark skin, and the feol are opposite of that, that sounds a little limiting? unless xiv implements a non-tactics/xii viera race which opens up more customisation...

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I don't think they would copy over the exact lore from the previous versions, so I'm sure they could make something work within the XIVX realm. As far as skin tones, I could see them implementing the two clans with slightly different palettes, similar to how it is Miqo / Au Ra, Roeg, etc.

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Originally Posted by SilvaSun

Would Viera be taller than Roegadyn? o.o

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Relatively speaking it seems that roes are actually giants. I did my best using listed FFXIV heights and height for Penelo in FFXII Scenario Ultimania and then traced it out on an old screenshot I found on google. Penelo's pixel height divided by her listed height, then that times roes listed height. I could be off a few pixels but it correlates to an FFXIV height comparison.

https://i.imgur.com/SwIefvv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yHERuiy.jpg

So roe and elezen is still much taller than viera.


I hope they would also make a /heels option for shoes like /visor that adds height to any character but viera gets 2 or 3 times as much increase.

How about we ask for Robots?

Like this one.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...1FLBjCktdOzykA

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

How about we ask for Robots?

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I think Phantasy Star did that long time ago xD

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

How about we ask for Robots?

Like this one.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...1FLBjCktdOzykA

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The thing with robots is that they can look from cute, goofy to pure evil, but knowing SE they will go for the cute maid robot type of character custom customization for the females and dull looking one for males. Since we have already seen Viera artwork (both genders on the Ivalice inspired and the cute teen version) we have an idea of how it willl look ingame.

I would love to see full beastman, robots, undead etc for the other expansions, but for 5.0, I think its time SE respects the wishes of their playerbase and add this fan favourite race.

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

I think Phantasy Star did that long time ago xD

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Originally Posted by Laerune

The thing with robots is that they can look from cute, goofy to pure evil, but knowing SE they will go for the cute maid robot type of character custom customization for the females and dull looking one for males.

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https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...20080321043501

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Originally Posted by Alacran

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...20080321043501

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It would make zero sense for a Robot to be a "Warrior of Light", not to mention, "to get married".
Not sure how a Robot race would "fit" in FF XIV. That's why we got only Human-like races(imo).

Some PSO2 robots.
In-game:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-n4nmFo2LLo...nline_2_02.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bDDAY23co7...0058711342.jpg

NPC fan-art:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/0f...1f0bdffecf.jpg

Damn, this one art looks cool ^
Viva Robots! Rise of the Machines!

Another problem is how to design a gear sets for them, it's x100 times worse, than Viera's case.

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

It would make zero sense for a Robot to be a "Warrior of Light", not to mention, "to get married".
Not sure how a Robot race would "fit" in FF XIV. That's why we got only Human-like races(imo).

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I agree completely. Just showing what i would expect from such a proposal.

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

It would make zero sense for a Robot to be a "Warrior of Light", not to mention, "to get married".
Not sure how a Robot race would "fit" in FF XIV. That's why we got only Human-like races(imo).

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Hmm the HW Hildi story comes to mind for some reason. Gigi says hi.

It's fiction, not RL, they can come up with whatever they want for whatever race they want to bring in. Looks wise they could make'em look like anything as well and "gear design being a pain" won't be anymore of an issue than it is currently for any race. If it's worse, that's on SE for making it that way to satisfy their own masochistic tendencies.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

Hmm the HW Hildi story comes to mind for some reason. Gigi says hi.

It's fiction, not RL, they can come up with whatever they want for whatever race they want to bring in. Looks wise they could make'em look like anything as well and "gear design being a pain" won't be anymore of an issue than it is currently for any race. If it's worse, that's on SE for making it that way to satisfy their own masochistic tendencies.

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I wonder if the robots will be able to cast magick? Since robots do not have Aether, unless they develop some kind of tech that allows them to use magick.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

I wonder if the robots will be able to cast magick? Since robots do not have Aether, unless they develop some kind of tech that allows them to use magick.

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Seriously? Because we don't already have magic manipulating tech already in the game... The Garleans, and the Allagans say hi.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

Seriously? Because we don't already have magic manipulating tech already in the game... The Garleans, and the Allagans say hi.

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Another problem would be "emotions". Robots can't have them by default and even then, seeing how WoL is the best courier bud for everyone, you need to show a lot of emotions in story cutscenes.

Looking at a male robot from PSO2 - i think that will be hard to implement, unless they go with human-like faces.

Example - the first screen with female from PSO2(previous post) or character from Star Ocean 4:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110610053302

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

Another problem would be "emotions". Robots can't have them by default and even then, seeing how WoL is the best courier bud for everyone, you need to show a lot of emotions in story cutscenes.

Looking at a male robot from PSO2 - i think that will be hard to implement, unless they go with human-like faces.

Example - the first screen with female from PSO2(previous post) or character from Star Ocean 4:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110610053302

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Again, Gigi says hi. Essentially a robot, and one that demonstrates emotion without a full human face to boot. Kinda like the rather featureless lalas we have running around now. Despite the fact they would be the RL equivalent of a 2d chibi anime character brought to life in the 3d real world we still have them.

You're making a lot of assumptions, and about what they'd even look like too. Like I said before, this is a fantasy world, the real world does not apply. They can make anything they want as a race and make it work. The only thing limiting them is their imagination and what they're willing to do.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

Again, Gigi says hi. Essentially a robot, and one that demonstrates emotion without a full human face to boot. Kinda like the rather featureless lalas we have running around now. Despite the fact they would be the RL equivalent of a 2d chibi anime character brought to life in the 3d real world we still have them.

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There was a human-size version of those in Final Fantasy IX and they look ugly af.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

The only thing limiting them is their imagination and what they're willing to do.

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Last time they used "their imagination" we got Lupin(Highlander with dog/wolf face?) and Koujin(TMNT ripoff?). -cough-
I don't believe that SE will come up with something good or unique in terms of races, especially robot-like race.

TL;DR Viera looks like a safe bet for them, honestly.

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

TL;DR Viera looks like a safe bet for them, honestly.

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I dunno... Lupin would really only need some head gear (mostly helmets and masks) to be redesigned, while it sounds like (in some interviews) Viera need every piece of foot gear redesigned for their feet.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I dunno... Lupin would really only need some head gear (mostly helmets and masks) to be redesigned, while it sounds like (in some interviews) Viera need every piece of foot gear redesigned for their feet.

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Not really just give them like a ankle chain and end off. If we wear earrings why not ankle thingys instead of shoes Lol

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I dunno... Lupin would really only need some head gear (mostly helmets and masks) to be redesigned, while it sounds like (in some interviews) Viera need every piece of foot gear redesigned for their feet.

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Lupin would need every piece of headgear redesigned for them (their head shape would clip headbands, eye patches, and the odd face framing headgear as well). Honestly most folks in the thread have already said if the feet is really the deal breaker with Viera we could live without them as it's been proven they had normal feet in their original Tactics Advanced incarnations. We are flexible. Most of us would like to see the taller warrior aesthetic rather than it be another chibi waifu because that's how they're presented to us in all the games, as strong female warriors. So if they need to change their feet to be normal, fine. That can just be the FFXIV twist on them or a return to their roots.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Lupin in the future, but flesh them out first. Give them a deeper lore and more backstory, more legends. At least make them a beast tribe so that we can learn about their culture and form some kind of attachment to them.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

Lupin would need every piece of headgear redesigned for them

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You mean exactly like miqote? :thinking emoji:

Honestly you can just use the miqote helmets with some extra room in the front for the muzzle if applicable. It's not difficult.

Not even really set on Lupin though, just anything but viera please.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

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If UsagiAndCrepes post is anything to go by, Viera will probably be no taller than a Highlander (and slightly shorter if we remove the stiletto's/make them plantigrade). I also have a feeling that if they are made the new playable race, the females will be struck with the cute waifu virus, while males are left alone to look closer to the original source material (according to an interview, Lakshmi had a different design, but was changed because 'it wasn't cute.' We've also already seen what happened to the Au Ra).

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I wouldn't mind seeing the Lupin in the future, but flesh them out first. Give them a deeper lore and more backstory, more legends.

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This should apply to the Viera as well, since the Ivalice in XIV and Ivalice in Tactics Advance and XII are not the same (different lore and legends. Lupin currently have the advantage of already existing).

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Originally Posted by Mature

Not really just give them like a ankle chain and end off. If we wear earrings why not ankle thingys instead of shoes Lol

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Because we then go back to my argument of 'gear not matching.' Imagine a Viera wearing tank gear, completely covered in armour... and then their feet left unprotected.

https://i.imgur.com/qt6lS6g.png

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Originally Posted by Nestama

This should apply to the Viera as well, since the Ivalice in XIV and Ivalice in Tactics Advance and XII are not the same (different lore and legends. Lupin currently have the advantage of already existing).

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Not confirmed that there is no connection between the two Ivalice (or if it has been I've not yet read it). They seem to actually have quite a few parallels both in the rendering of the bangaa and seeq and their lore which means that if they arrive there will likely be parallels in the Viera as well. Lupin may exist in the world of FFXIV but, as a whole, the race lore is as deep as cardboard. Flesh that out, build on that, make them popular. This thread isn't 156 pages long for no reason. Lupin just done have that kind of pull, they haven't been around long enough to get a following like that. Where's the character everyone thought was so neat it stuck with them? Where's the Fran of Lupins?

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Honestly you can just use the miqote helmets with some extra room in the front for the muzzle if applicable. It's not difficult.

Not even really set on Lupin though, just anything but viera please.

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These are the folks that won't give us a booty slider because of texture stretching. You really think they'll do muzzle redesigns on helmets?

Also why anything but Viera? Is it their design you don't like? Is it the previous lore? Because if it's just 'don't bring things from other games' that ship sailed. We've got numerous things from other FF titles that have been remixed for FFXIV already (including nearly all the current races being remixes from FFXI). Or is it that you don't like Viera fans? Apologies I'm just genuinely curious about why you'd be okay with anything but the second most popular FF race (if only we could play a Moogle).

Redesigning feet gear for Viera isn't that difficult honestly. All they have to do is just give them really high heels.

Gear already has some amount of morphability as you all show when posting game pictures. The armor looks very different on a roegadyn and lalafel. I think if it's just stretching and not a lot of extra polygons then armor can change cost effectively.

In the case of lupin, carnivora (cats, dogs, foxes) are digitigrade so the opposite of what I said applies. They do not wear heels and it is better to leave feet bare except the toes maybe, where their heel/ankle should be becomes part of their leg. That or they just do what they did with miqote.

As for viera lore it has common themes. Silver white hair is sacred, feet are strange compared to humes, in tune with the spirit world, their homes are hidden with magic.

It is so easy to say "their spirit home was invisible but now they are threatened", it's 100% lore appropriate. They could even be here now but you cant see their town because of ancient magic.

If it's magic you don't need to explain anything, kupo~

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

Not confirmed that there is no connection between the two Ivalice (or if it has been I've not yet read it). They seem to actually have quite a few parallels both in the rendering of the bangaa and seeq and their lore which means that if they arrive there will likely be parallels in the Viera as well. Lupin may exist in the world of FFXIV but, as a whole, the race lore is as deep as cardboard. Flesh that out, build on that, make them popular. This thread isn't 156 pages long for no reason. Lupin just done have that kind of pull, they haven't been around long enough to get a following like that. Where's the character everyone thought was so neat it stuck with them? Where's the Fran of Lupins?

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Waaaay back in 2.2.

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Q: A lot of names from Ivalice have been mentioned such as Dalmasca, Belias, and Zodiak. Is there some kind of connection between Hydaelyn and Ivalice?
A: Maehiro: To be absolutely clear, there is no direct connection between FFXIV’s Hydaelyn and FFXII’s Ivalice or even FFXI’s Vana’diel. They are not the same world in different dimensions or time—they are their own separate worlds. However, there are certain connections to people or objects that appear in these other worlds that figure into the story of FFXIV as it has been conceived and is being told.

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From what we've seen so far in the Ivalice story in FFXIV, it's very clear that this Ivalice is not the same as the one from XII and Tactics (especially as the timeline is flipped).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Waaaay back in 2.2. From what we've seen so far in the Ivalice story in FFXIV, it's very clear that this Ivalice is not the same as the one from XII and Tactics (especially as the timeline is flipped).

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Thank you for pointing that out! It actually makes me glad as it gives them even more opportunity to add Viera since they'd be able to put their own spin on them easier. Also, we could possibly get some of the other races as beast tribes in upcoming content (I'd do missions for the bangaa wouldn't you?) But the very next line admits there is connections between people and objects which is where things have a lot more leeway than I think you're giving them credit for. Such as shenanigans with a certain powerful magic book. It'd be cheap of them to do that but not out of the realm of possibility.

Also it doesn't invalidate my other point that before we champion the cause of the Lupin there needs to be more depth to them, there needs to be a reason for people to play them. Why do you want to see the Lupin? What makes them appealing to you? Is it only aesthetic? I realize most folks championing the Viera are doing it for looks but not all of us are. Do I want a strong but still pretty warrior woman, yes I do. But I also want them because of that connection to other FF games I've played. Lets face it, having a deep well of previous franchise titles is a strength for FFXIV, not a weakness. Being able to give fans something they've already got a connection to is a selling point. Being able to fight Bahamut again and running around in Magitek Armor...yeah, it's nostalgia. So why not Viera now? Get it out of the way and there goes the biggest hurdle to introducing totally new races.

I feel the connection thing is mostly just for references. Something like Krile and Xande, for instance.

As for why I want Lupin to be playable... one big reason is that I'm tired of "cute" races (and I'm kinda worried Viera may suffer this). Another reason being I just want to see something that isn't yet another 90-95% human with some animal bits here and there (at least the Lupin have a wolf head and the one piece of official art for them is adorable). Lore and legends I don't particularly care for at this point in time, though I wouldn't be surprised if Kelger (FFV) is mentioned as a legendary warrior of sorts.

White Mage Viera :)

https://i.imgur.com/Fsh5Re5.jpg

The heck people, SE could just release a Lupin mask and people wanting to be one can just cosplay one, no need to make it a race. Unless a lot of furry loving people keep asking for one that doesn't have human features but I still see Viera more possible than Lupin atm... seriously, a mask. :P

Funny no one mentions all the work needed for facial animations, emotes, character interactions, ect... for a race that as of now have none. Lupin, like all the less human races currently in game, have none of these. While many can argue that our player created characters are not incredibly expressive (I feel they do fine personally), the more nuanced animations are not only natural and useful in many quest we have interactions with npc's, but also help immerse the player in the story.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

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I don't think beastmen like Lupin will be added as a playable race. I know I would never play as a beastmen. I'm completely uninterested in beastmen being a playable race, but I'm not particularly opposed to their addition later on in the future, either. I still don't think it'd happen, and I don't care either way. There's something I've been wondering though; how would hairstyles work for the Lupin? I think it'd look kind of silly. In any case, I'll be happy as long as they add viera.