Glamours: Re-work the entire system.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Y'all saying that the large number of people using the glamour system doesn't mean it's good completely ignores the fact that no one has to use it.

This is a game. People engage in the optional content that they enjoy.
If people didn't enjoy the glamour game, they just plain wouldn't play it.
Well, except for the masochists, of course.

An old saying says sailors are never happy unless they have something to complain about:
"This beer is undrinkable swill! <glug> <glug> <glug> Bring another round!"
I don't think all sailors are like that, but some people here seem to be.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Y'all saying that the large number of people using the glamour system doesn't mean it's good completely ignores the fact that no one has to use it.

This is a game. People engage in the optional content that they enjoy.
If people didn't enjoy the glamour game, they just plain wouldn't play it.
Well, except for the masochists, of course.

An old saying says sailors are never happy unless they have something to complain about:
"This beer is undrinkable swill! <glug> <glug> <glug> Bring another round!"
I don't think all sailors are like that, but some people here seem to be.

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But as others said, it's the ONLY road for people to take. Of course they are going to use it, whether it's good or not. Either way, I've said my piece on this, and I fully believe in my opinion. I'm also not sure what is wrong with wanting things to be better, as they most certainly can be with the right approach. People are weird when it comes to criticism I guess and choose to die on very strange hills.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Y'all saying that the large number of people using the glamour system doesn't mean it's good completely ignores the fact that no one has to use it.

This is a game. People engage in the optional content that they enjoy.
If people didn't enjoy the glamour game, they just plain wouldn't play it.
Well, except for the masochists, of course.

An old saying says sailors are never happy unless they have something to complain about:
"This beer is undrinkable swill! <glug> <glug> <glug> Bring another round!"
I don't think all sailors are like that, but some people here seem to be.

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Yeah people love Glaming, like the do in any game. That isn't what the thread is about, the only person debating that is you.

Is the system up to scratch? Oh hell no! Seriously the whole "you can only store X number of items" is a crock. Why do we have to store any items for this to work? If you have picked it up and equipped it, it should be there for you.

This will not affect marketboard sales, or anything else (as much as people would love to believe), because you'd still have to go and buy the things you want for each character.

It's simply a quality of life thing. Blizzard actually done it right, as much as I am loathe to touch their crappy game, I will admit that. Sqeenix still haven't grasped the concept of it either, so it's not just you. Which is funny considering they play that game too.

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Originally Posted by AlyaNimfa

It's simply a quality of life thing. Blizzard actually done it right, as much as I am loathe to touch their crappy game, I will admit that.

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It's bemusing that they make a really strong system, but the "meat" of the system - the actual items - are awful. Even stuff the'll release in their next expansion looks bad. Those fake 3D painted-on textures... why they still make that when they have technology to create items with actual 3D bits... Also undyable stuff is a real weak point by today's MMORPG standards.

Fundamentally I have to wonder how much is spaghetti code vs unwillingness to fix it.

Im reminded of the many excuses wow devs gave for why they couldn't do wow classic, i think they even said they didn't have code for vanilla if memory serves? but those were all lies. That's a fundamental crux here where one side doubts and the other doesn't.

And fundamentally there perfectly willing to add more flag/collection systems every expansion it feels like, minions, mounts, cards, bardings, titles, reports, hair styles, facial paints, achievements, lore log, the many other logs... the amount of flags already is huge

I cant help but what would be so hard for a flag based system that utilizes the glamour dresser itself, as the game already has the appearance data for every item, its absurd to suggest to me that its impossible when it seems the glamour dresser itself is a means of utilizing the restrictions they already had as its basically a glorified chest storage with glamour functionality

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Originally Posted by AlyaNimfa

Is the system up to scratch? Oh hell no! Seriously the whole "you can only store X number of items" is a crock. .

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How many clothing items can you store in your closets at home?
800? Including armor breastplates?
I seriously doubt it.
So by your logic, your closets at home are a crock.
Are you angry about that?
Are you willing to spend a lot of time and money making your closets larger?

Nothing comes for free.
Perfection has ever been the enemy of good enough.
Learn it, live it.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Y'all saying that the large number of people using the glamour system doesn't mean it's good completely ignores the fact that no one has to use it.

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Uhhhhh... Yeeeeees... That's not the point of this at all though?
A lot of people also played PLD in HSW, it didn't stop it from being changed.
A lot of people also played through Anemos on release, didn't stop that from getting changed and future content like it to be tweaked around the issues that arose.
A lot of people want Housing, doesn't stop that part of the content to have issues that needed fixing.
So, what, just because "y'all use it anyway", we can't say anything about it nor provide feedback?
...do you not know how long-term software is developped?
Do you not know why ARR existed to begin with?

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

This is a game. People engage in the optional content that they enjoy.
If people didn't enjoy the glamour game, they just plain wouldn't play it.
Well, except for the masochists, of course.

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Well, if that's not gatekeeper mindset, idk what is.

Yes mate, this is a game. We're not forced to play it.
Glamouring is optional, we're not forced to glamour it.
But how, pray tell, do you expect there to be feedback, both positive AND negative, if people don't play it?
Or, what, do you only expect people to play it and have no other opinion but liking it 100%?
Or perhaps you expect people that play it to drop it the moment they experience some level of cumbersome design?

Girl, that sailor saying isn't applying here. We're not running into the wall to bash our heads in, complain about it, and then do it again.
This is the only option afforded to us. This is the only design there is if we want to do anything with the way we look. "All paths lead to Rome" does not apply here, as this is the ONLY path to our intended goal, which is to change how our outfits look.
And, what, you're expecting us to not change our looks at all just because the process isn't to our liking?
Again, I repeat, do you not know how any of this works??

Do you even listen to yourself?
Or are you just a troll and I just haven't realized it?

What is up with people and not thinking twice before posting something this blithering obvious?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

But how, pray tell, do you expect there to be feedback, both positive AND negative, if people don't play it?

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Isn't it obvious?
The number of people who try the glamour game and then keep playing it, and the aggregate amount of game time and gil they spend playing it, is the most powerful feedback SE gets, and all they really need.

Because like any mini-game, the entire point of the glamour system, from SE's perspective, is to keep players logging in, month after month.

Sure, they'll throw the complainers a bone now and then.
But re-work the system?
No, not while so many people are enjoying playing it.

Asking to re-work the glamour system is like asking to re-work the most popular job in the game because a few online whiners don't like it -- it's an outright stupid request.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Isn't it obvious?
The number of people who try the glamour game and then keep playing it, and the aggregate amount of game time and gil they spend playing it, is the most powerful feedback SE gets, and all they really need.

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Okay so you just answered me, thanks:

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

So, what, just because "y'all use it anyway", we can't say anything about it nor provide feedback?
Or, what, do you only expect people to play it and have no other opinion but liking it 100%?
Or perhaps you expect people that play it to drop it the moment they experience some level of cumbersome design?

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The answer was yes.

Yes you really do expect people who keep playing through THE GLAMOUR GAME THAT ONLY HAS THIS ONE OPTION ANYWAY to be the ones Square should listen to. And anyone who has issues or wants it to be expanded in any way can get bent.

I am THIS close to dropping the "Limited Races" argument on this forum to prove Silverbane isn't thinking straight, so before I derail yet another thread with that crap, I'm gonna vamoose...

Because you cannot tell me "the only the majority who try content, play it and the amount of money and time spent into it is the only feedback SE listens to" after April 1st. That is as laughable as it feels insulting. And I am NOT going to make you guys suffer through another round of crazy lion boy. I've had enough for a whole month.

Cheers everyone.

I hope the glamour system gets improvements, keep suggesting stuff.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I am THIS close to dropping the "Limited Races" argument on this forum to prove Silverbane isn't thinking straight, so before I derail yet another thread with that crap, I'm gonna vamoose...

Because you cannot tell me "the only the majority who try content, play it and the amount of money and time spent into it is the only feedback SE listens to" after April 1st. That is as laughable as it feels insulting. And I am NOT going to make you guys suffer through another round of crazy lion boy.

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Honestly, I think that "crazy lion boy" is exactly what this thread needs at the moment. :p Unleash the beast, I say.

Is it good? Eh. Can it be better? Yes. They SHOULD take the idea WOW did and "if you have bound this item to you, it appears in your glamor logs".
Along with "use a prism to add this item to your glamor dresser, which is not bound to you because you dont have that job to that level yet", ect.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Better =/= good. What we have works at a functional level, but I wouldn't call it good by any means when other games can do similar things worlds better.

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Conversely: imperfect =/= bad.

It might not do everything I would like it to do, but it works well enough 90% of the time and I can dress my characters in nice things.

It could be better, but it doesn't need to be remade to be any good at all.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Conversely: imperfect =/= bad.

It might not do everything I would like it to do, but it works well enough 90% of the time and I can dress my characters in nice things.

It could be better, but it doesn't need to be remade to be any good at all.

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The simple fact they added a new inventory for Island Sanctuary means they do have the capability to increase inventory slots on the dresser without overloading the system.

In reality a glamour system that was a simple:
if=Collected, True/false

For every unique item was added to character database it would be like.. 200kb of data at a maximum once compressed.

if 200kb of data loading from the character database when opening the Plate Creator is going to cause issues, then they really need to buckle down and rewrite the source code at the base level.


While they are at it, just add a text database with all existing models in it so you can just right click -> try on.
There are mods/plugins that do this and don't cause any issues. No excuses for poor development.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

The simple fact they added a new inventory for Island Sanctuary means they do have the capability to increase inventory slots on the dresser without overloading the system.

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Hihi, that is something i also noted: they have no problems to add something new into the game. They have big problems to enhance something, which is already in the game. It is a strong indicator for spaghetti code or code, which is hard to grasp for the developers. Or they mix many different programming languages (calling SQL from C++ etc.) like i mentioned before.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Conversely: imperfect =/= bad.

It might not do everything I would like it to do, but it works well enough 90% of the time and I can dress my characters in nice things.

It could be better, but it doesn't need to be remade to be any good at all.

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That's the great thing about opinions. Everyone has one, and they are entitled to it.

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Originally Posted by Lucida3b

Fundamentally I have to wonder how much is spaghetti code vs unwillingness to fix it.

Im reminded of the many excuses wow devs gave for why they couldn't do wow classic, i think they even said they didn't have code for vanilla if memory serves? but those were all lies. That's a fundamental crux here where one side doubts and the other doesn't.

And fundamentally there perfectly willing to add more flag/collection systems every expansion it feels like, minions, mounts, cards, bardings, titles, reports, hair styles, facial paints, achievements, lore log, the many other logs... the amount of flags already is huge

I cant help but what would be so hard for a flag based system that utilizes the glamour dresser itself, as the game already has the appearance data for every item, its absurd to suggest to me that its impossible when it seems the glamour dresser itself is a means of utilizing the restrictions they already had as its basically a glorified chest storage with glamour functionality

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I believe it's both code and unwillingness. Things truly aren't as simple to "fix" as people want to believe. The core issue is the gear itself, but people don't want to accept that info and that possibility of things being stuck as they are.

The flags are an interesting point, but those examples are much simpler. It's a simple yes or no check. That's not the case with gear as it's never just the appearance. It's always tied to job and level which is why the mog / dungeon / event stuff is always 1 / ALL. "Oh, but the NPCs can wear this and that." They're probably just glorified mannequins.

I suggested the alternative of making it easier to reacquire certain gear, but people are too attached to the other idea. They're even more attached to going back and forth exchanging insults and spinning their wheels.

they already have the concept of this idea. they already have the system written on paper.

but they can't because you know, spaghetti code from 1.0 and 2.0

I decided to look up wow and transmog as people keep talking about it like it's the answer to the alleged problem...

"Transmogrification has a number of restrictions, and not all items or pairings can be transmogged. Most importantly, the character must be able to equip both items, armor must be of the same armor type, and weapons must use the same attack style.[1][2]"

What the actual hell? It's basically the same thing we have right now! (taken from wowpedia. feel free to post a more correct version)

You can't even multiclass, so of course it's no big deal to store all the gear.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I decided to look up wow and transmog as people keep talking about it like it's the answer to the alleged problem...

"Transmogrification has a number of restrictions, and not all items or pairings can be transmogged. Most importantly, the character must be able to equip both items, armor must be of the same armor type, and weapons must use the same attack style.[1][2]"

What the actual hell? It's basically the same thing we have right now! (taken from wowpedia. feel free to post a more correct version)

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WoW's version of glamour "Transmog" introduced during their Cataclysm expansion is the closest they had to what XIV currently has, with their own version of the Glam Dresser too.
But they did a major upgrade and Blizzard started calling it the "Wardrobe" during their Legion expansion Pre-patch and that's more a kin to what people would like ( I assume, I know I do). It was a huge feature upgrade that not only let you permanently unlock appearances of items without having to actually carry/store the item, but the system also let you view and try on gear you didn't collect either in case you wanted to experiment without needing to try and get those items with very pesky drop rates.
People still refer to the feature as Transmog though, guessing the name just stuck or something.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

What the actual hell? It's basically the same thing we have right now! (taken from wowpedia. feel free to post a more correct version)

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No, it's not. You have no space limitations for transmogs. Every item, you got and that item had better quality than green is always available for transmogging. There is no glam dresser with limited space and you have to put an item into it etc. And the transmogs are account wide. It is also a nice advantage. If i collect a transmog template with my priestess, i can use this template on my other characters.


Cheers

If we were locked to one job per character in FFXIV, I reckon dresser space wouldn't be that big an issue either. The amount of gear I want to store for glamour across all my classes is different to how much I would be storing for a character that only had one job to dress up.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

In reality a glamour system that was a simple:
if=Collected, True/false

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... it would fail to allow someone to use a 1,000,000 gil dye on a cheap item and store it in the glam chest for multiple future uses.
E.g.: jet black die on a hempen chamise.

The current system allows this, both on the items and/or on a glamour plate, and a lot of people find it a valuable capability. You're asking them to give this feature up. I doubt they will be pleased.

As H.L. Menken said, for every complex problem there is an solution that is clear, simple, and wrong.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

No, it's not. You have no space limitations for transmogs. Every item, you got and that item had better quality than green is always available for transmogging. There is no glam dresser with limited space and you have to put an item into it etc. And the transmogs are account wide. It is also a nice advantage. If i collect a transmog template with my priestess, i can use this template on my other characters.


Cheers

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It's essentially the same thing.

It doesn't matter that alts on that game can use templates because they still have to adhere to the restrictions of what they can wear. You don't have multiclassing on that game. You don't even have non-combat classes with their own gear as an option.

Ya'll have been lying to yourselves and everyone else trying to act like you know what will actually work in this game.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

It's essentially the same thing.

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Every transmog system is essentially the same thing. But again, you have no space restrictions because there is no glam dresser. And the restricted space is the major thing, which annoys the players mostly. In WoW, every character has access to every transmog template in the game as long as the character can equip that item. You only have to unlock the transmog template by collectiong the corresponding item. You can sell the item afterwards and the transmog template is still available.

Cheers

I don't understand why do you people keep replying to Silverbane, that has to be the worst troll in the history of any online forum.

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Originally Posted by Siddiax

I don't understand why do you people keep replying to Silverbane, that has to be the worst troll in the history of any online forum.

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Your problem with me isn't that I'm a troll, because I'm not: I'm completely sincere.
Your problem with me is that, deep down, you know I'm right and you don't like it; otherwise, you'd be able to offer a persuasive counterargument to my posts instead of the lame and fallacious ad-hominem you resorted to.

When I was taking logic and philosophy courses to fulfill the humanities requirement for my first (science) degree, I learned you can discover new knowledge by arguing your points rationally with people you disagree with: thesis + antithesis = synthesis.
You, Siddax, like so many extremists of all stripes today, lack that ability, and just seek to cancel people you disagree with instead. And your life will be poorer for it.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Your problem with me isn't that I'm a troll, because I'm not: I'm completely sincere.
Your problem with me is that, deep down, you know I'm right and you don't like it; otherwise, you'd be able to offer a persuasive counterargument to my posts instead of the lame and fallacious ad-hominem you resorted to.

When I was taking logic and philosophy courses to fulfill the humanities requirement for my first (science) degree, I learned you can discover new knowledge by arguing your points rationally with people you disagree with: thesis + antithesis = synthesis.
You, Siddax, like so many extremists of all stripes today, lack that ability, and just seek to cancel people you disagree with instead. And your life will be poorer for it.

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They have Literally explained to you why Better Is different than good, and why people that use this glamour sistem could still love and ask something better or qol addition to the system.
You Just dismiss everyone while twisting their words.. to me this Is troll behavior

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Your problem with me isn't that I'm a troll, because I'm not: I'm completely sincere.
Your problem with me is that, deep down, you know I'm right and you don't like it; otherwise, you'd be able to offer a persuasive counterargument to my posts instead of the lame and fallacious ad-hominem you resorted to.

When I was taking logic and philosophy courses to fulfill the humanities requirement for my first (science) degree, I learned you can discover new knowledge by arguing your points rationally with people you disagree with: thesis + antithesis = synthesis.
You, Siddax, like so many extremists of all stripes today, lack that ability, and just seek to cancel people you disagree with instead. And your life will be poorer for it.

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Just so you know I didn't even bother reading whatever you wrote, I'll just quote your post from the previous page:

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Do I really have to explain why?
Do I really have to explain to you, like you were a four year old, that it's a continuum, where the number of people playing is a continuous function in at least two dimensions of the enjoyment people get and the amount of hassle they experience?
Do I have to explain what multi-dimensional functions are?
Do I have to explain how most human behavior, aggregated across a statistically large enough population, can be mapped to them?

Or did you know already know all that, and are just dishonestly pretending you didn't to try and "win" a forum argument?

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You can't possibly write all that and expect someone to take you seriously. That's also just a small part of all the ridiculous crap you've written in the multiple glamour related threads. We're on the FFXIV general discussions for god's sake lmao.

If you're not just having fun by being obnoxious (which to be real I don't quite understand) please seek mental help.

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Originally Posted by Garten

You Just dismiss everyone while twisting their words.. to me this Is troll behavior

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It's easy to make accusations without evidence.
Show me where I've done this. I'll wait ... but not holding my breath.

OTOH, posters here have blatantly and intentionally misquoted me -- in quotation marks, even.
Don't you consider that trolling? If so, why aren't you calling them out on it?
Or do you have to disagree with someone for them to be a troll in your eyes, because your side can do no wrong? Not that you'd be alone in that -- which is why both the forums and the world risk going to hell.

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Originally Posted by Siddiax

Just so you know I didn't even bother reading whatever you wrote ...

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Why? Afraid too? Too many big words you don't understand?
Or are you just lying to avoid admitting you can't refute what I wrote?
How can you accuse me of trolling when you don't even read what I post?

[EDIT: I love how, rather than even attempt to refute my remarks on the matter at hand, you and Siddax have decided this thread should be about me instead. How laughable. But it's the first resort of someone without anything of substance to contribute. Put me on ignore, I don't mind when annoyance like you do that. Or are you afraid to?]

And later:

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Originally Posted by Garten

Let me get home and i'll burn you to the ground

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Promises, promises.
Go for it. Spend hours crafting your self-described flame.
Show me how important I am to you. (Fool.)

And even later:

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Originally Posted by Garten

Wow you really wanna make It Easy for me. See? This Is Just what theese ppl want.. they dont argue cause they do not agree, they argue for the sale of arguing, make ppl angry and male em lose time and Energy while they counter them -> troll behavior

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Says the poster who is going to go home and spend hours writing an off-topic personal attack to pollute the forums with, out of naked hate for another poster. So, does that sound like someone we should pay attention to when he cries "Troll"? Nah.

And even later (don't you hate the daily posting limit?)

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Originally Posted by Siddiax

Other than having an ego the size of Jupiter, you're really not that important.

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But you can't stop yourself from embarrassing yourself with your personal attacks on me.
Your actions make lies of your words.

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Originally Posted by Siddiax

You've been disproved a thousand times by now but just straight up ignore the truth

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Yet another evidence-free assertion. "Someone somewhere somewhen proved you wrong, I just can't be bothered to say who, where, or when." Well, if this ever did happen, we can be pretty sure it wasn't Siddiax.

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Originally Posted by Siddiax

You're not a developer, you're just another salty forumite, so I won't gain anything by further arguing with you.

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But you couldn't resist another personal attack on me. Lame.
I note that I used to be a software developer, for over two decades, before I changed careers.
And I'm not salty at all, not about FFXIV. I think it's great in every way that matters to me.
(Not practically perfect, like Mary Poppins, just great.)

Let me get home and i'll burn you to the ground

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Promises, promises.
Go for it. Spend hours crafting your self-described flame.
Show me how important I am to you. (Fool.)

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Wow you really wanna make It Easy for me. See? This Is Just what theese ppl want.. they dont argue cause they do not agree, they argue for the sake of arguing, make ppl angry and make em lose time and Energy while they counter them -> troll behavior

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Promises, promises.
Go for it. Spend hours crafting your self-described flame.
Show me how important I am to you. (Fool.)

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I see someone has been taking drama classes. Hope things work out for you bud! Though I'm not sure if the extreme overdramatization of everything will work in your favor.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Why? Afraid too? Too many big words you don't understand?
Or are you just lying to avoid admitting you can't refute what I wrote?
How can you accuse me of trolling when you don't even read what I post?

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Other than having an ego the size of Jupiter, you're really not that important. You've been disproved a thousand times by now but just straight up ignore the truth when it hits you and instead try to find some more straws to grasp to.

You're not a developer, you're just another salty forumite, so I won't gain anything by further arguing with you. (hey look I did the thing with where I bold a few words, that certainly makes me look cool)

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Yet another evidence-free assertion. "Someone somewhere somewhen proved you wrong, I just can't be bothered to say who, where, or when." Well, if this ever did happen, we can be pretty sure it wasn't Siddiax.

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What do you mean no evidence ? You just proved my point. Take a look at the previous pages in this and the other glam-related threads.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

But you couldn't resist another personal attack on me. Lame.
I note that I used to be a software developer, for over two decades, before I changed careers.
And I'm not salty at all, not about FFXIV.

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It's not an attack as much as just stating a fact. You don't work for CBU3, that's more than enough. Stop pretending like you understand how XIV works lol. Also I doubt you'd be so insanely obsessed with this topic if you weren't salty - your other posts on the forum prove it.

All in all, not a good look my man. Nobody likes pseudo-intellectuals, especially so in a thread about fashion in a game.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Promises, promises.
Go for it.

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Got home

—--- Premise

In this game there are matters regarding which you can’t honestly discuss em subjectively.. some things are objectively bad, or for scarcity / access (housing), o for implementation (see glamor system, and class glamor limitations), or for lack of QOL (hud, inventory, retainers) ..
AT MOST, the only thing we can discuss about these things here is the PRIORITY of working on it, or if they are TECNICALLY implementables.
I am not completely naive and I understand that they are not problems that can be solved overnight, THAT does not mean that the players, players who LOVE the game and PAYS for it, have not the right and somehow the duty (for themselves and for future players) to ask that these things are looked at. (also wouldn’t the game become better for everyone?)

Where is the problem.. The problem is that i see more and more often on this forum, that, when these issues are arisen, ppl like you come and make “THE CONTRARY” arbitrarily, just dunno? For sport? Maybe they like to make ppl angry?
(The classic example are ppl in the pvp section telling about some classes imbalances and instead of countering the argument made there are LITERALLY just responded with posts with written only “skill issue” or “git gud”).

Now, about this post


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Originally Posted by Angellos

If 200 wasn't enough, and 400 isn't enough, 800 won't be enough:

Then clearly the system is flawed.

Completely re-work the glamour system to work more like World of Warcraft's Transmog system. Then no one has to worry about adding anything at all to a glamour dresser. Have the new system automatically add what people have in their glamour dressers into the new system.

No more clogging up dresser space, no more bloated strain on the system. It's obvious the system itself is outdated, so update it properly. The space increase is just a band-aid on a gushing wound. It's not going to hold.

EDIT: If you really want to make the playerbase happy, take away role restrictions on gear. Once a piece of gear goes into the collection, ANY class can use the gear. The only restrictions that should remain are for racial gear, weapons, and artifact gear. Everything else should turn into a level 1, Any Class glamour item. So what if your tank wants to wear a dress: I already have to stare at naked Roegadyn wearing a Chocobo head while they tank.

So what if the black mage wants to wear plate armor? A battle mage sounds AMAZING. Let them do it.

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From ALL his post you can tell that he thinks that the actual glamour system (both the role restrictions and the glamour dresser) is a clunky and outdated system, where ppl have a FINITE number of things that can glamour and store.
Maybe it never happened to you, but to me for example it happened that in the past i dropped some items that i did not think i would ever use in a glamour and so (having the dresser full or almost full) i gave it to the GC; then months later i teorycrafted a fantastic glamour that used said items and that now i had to go hunt again..
This would not have happened in a system where ALL equipment obtained would have been FLAGGED as obtained and then used in a glamour..

You only quoted this part:
“If 200 wasn't enough, and 400 isn't enough, 800 won't be enough:
Then clearly the system is flawed.”

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

The problem is, your condition seems false to me.
What percentage of the player base has hit the current 400-item limit for the glamour dresser?
No one I know is even close.

I suspect that only a tiny fraction of the player base will even approach the 800-item limit of the glamour dresser. So to me it seems a complete waste of finite development resources to "re-work" the glamour system just to please that tiny fraction.
I'd far rather those resources went into developing new content.

Every system has limitations, but that doesn't make them necessarily flawed, and I don't see the current glamour system as flawed. I find it quite fun, even if I'd sometimes like to take a set of dressmaker shears to some of the stupid baggy and/or clunky things they hang off of many of the nicer tops, and even if I do miss most items taking two dyes (each with its own map of course) like items did in SWTOR.

And if you don't enjoy playing the current glamour system...
why do you need more than 800 items in your glamour chest?

These complaints, IMO, aren't motivated by the glamour system being flawed, they're motivated by the more-more-more gimme-gimme-gimme sense of entitlement that's all too common on these forums.

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Even if at the start you seem reasonable (when you talk about system limitations), you then go on a tangent criticizing OP of self-entitlement, like if you are saying “just git gud with the actual system” (i’ll come back later to this behavior) and twisting the meaning of his words like if his only complaints were on the “quantity limit” of the system.
Also i pay for the entire game, if i UNLOCK an item, shouldn’t be “reasonable” to have it when i will need it? Instead of unlocking an item and then having to store in a limited system (dresser or retainer) out OF FEAR (read fomo) of needing it in the future?


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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Better =/= good. What we have works at a functional level, but I wouldn't call it good by any means when other games can do similar things worlds better.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

If the current glamour system isn't good, why to do so many people seem to revel in using it?
Why do they spend millions of gil on glamour items -- some costing more than top-end crafted raid gear?

Glamour is probably the most popular mini-game in FFIXIV.
The people who crafted it are probably very happy with how it has been accepted by the player base.
As they should be, IMO.

Every objective indication flies in the face of your opinion that it isn't "good."
Accordingly, the odds SE will "re-work" the system, as some people here want, are slim to none.
And I'm fine with that.

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You are so wrong in this i don’t even know how to start… I mean.. if this is THE ONLY glamour system i have, IF I LIKE to glamour myself i WILL USE IT even if is BAD..

I literally dunno how i could explain it better..

Also Skivvy and Raikai replied to you about it, and you again missed the point… they made you noticed with a fun GIF, but apparently you just glossed over it…

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Originally Posted by AlyaNimfa

Yeah people love Glaming, like the do in any game. That isn't what the thread is about, the only person debating that is you.

Is the system up to scratch? Oh hell no! Seriously the whole "you can only store X number of items" is a crock. Why do we have to store any items for this to work? If you have picked it up and equipped it, it should be there for you.

This will not affect marketboard sales, or anything else (as much as people would love to believe), because you'd still have to go and buy the things you want for each character.

It's simply a quality of life thing. Blizzard actually done it right, as much as I am loathe to touch their crappy game, I will admit that. Sqeenix still haven't grasped the concept of it either, so it's not just you. Which is funny considering they play that game too.

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How many clothing items can you store in your closets at home?
800? Including armor breastplates?
I seriously doubt it.
So by your logic, your closets at home are a crock.
Are you angry about that?
Are you willing to spend a lot of time and money making your closets larger?

Nothing comes for free.
Perfection has ever been the enemy of good enough.
Learn it, live it.

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how the hell can you even compare the glamour dresser to a real closet? In this contest? If a damn FLAG “obtained”/”Not obtained” is not possible, reply saying that, not with this poor equivalency.. i can’t convert my clothes to data..

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... it would fail to allow someone to use a 1,000,000 gil dye on a cheap item and store it in the glam chest for multiple future uses.
E.g.: jet black die on a hempen chamise.

The current system allows this, both on the items and/or on a glamour plate, and a lot of people find it a valuable capability. You're asking them to give this feature up. I doubt they will be pleased.

As H.L. Menken said, for every complex problem there is an solution that is clear, simple, and wrong.

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This is i think the only thing i didn’t think about the “pure” transmog system… but also honestly.. it could be easily addressed in a smart manner if there was like a library of ALL obtained equipment and you use THAT library to both try on items and to create the “real” plates you use to glamor yourself. Maybe you could apply the dies there… (just a quick tought out of my mind)..

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ok, i skipped some ripetition parts but i think i addressed everything “IN THIS POST”.

My final points and considerations:
I am surely a passionate person, and i easily get angry, but i am honest.. i don’t go against ppl cause i like to do it.. English is not my mother language and i should learn it better, this is al my fault i admit it.. and this is one of the reasons why i don’t often respond to ppl like you, but i guess this was one of my bad days..
Even considered that, i am not stupid; you are a very smart and intelligent person, i can tell. And you can write and respond to people very well. This does not mean that i can’t “sometimes” read between the lines of the dishonesty behind your words, and THIS IS THE KEY of the discussion.

Then i find fun that you and other ppl say things like: “You have to prove i am trolling”, while ppl could just read all the posts you made: THAT IS THE PROOF. This is not the first time and the first post i see YOU behaving like this (waiting for you to asking these proves also..)

Also the way you replied to me in my previos post lol… guessed i am playing right into your hands..
..but you know what? i wanted to play today and you won i guess.. i lost around an hour of my life writing all this.. but at least i had a bit of fun, and i could release some steam i had accumulated..

I am not gonna amuse you further (in this post at least).. hope all this wall of text will not give you headache..

mic drop.

https://c.tenor.com/W_gRFhPr2UgAAAAC/here-lady-gaga.gif

It's a troll. A really bad one at that. Just ignore it, don't derail the thread any further than it has to.

She's really not worth it.

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They know glamour has issues, and no, they've already stated repeatedly countless times in the past that a WoW style system is simply out of the question due to technical problems with how the game is coded and handles gear appearence. And they simply cannot "rework" the system easily without affecting the game's operation, the only way that could happen would be for the game as a whole to be completley redesigned and coded from the ground up, a "Version 2-3.0" if you will.

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Considering the number of times they tell us some feature or another isn't technically possible due to the way the game is coded, only for them to add the feature later anyway, I have absolutely zero trust for it to be true in this instance.

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Blab blah blag

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You said you were going to find examples of me twisting other people's words.
You failed.
Demonstrating that you just make shit up to attack people you disagree with, with no concern for truth.
Which makes you the troll.

In any case, I feel like we might get some extra slots by 7.0 but I don't see a major rework happening in a patch. Definitely more of an expansion type of rework.

Then again Island Sanctuary, the PvP rework and Crystalline Conflict came in a patch, so we'll never know.

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In any case, I feel like we might get some extra slots by 7.0 but I don't see a major rework happening in a patch. Definitely more of an expansion type of rework.

Then again Island Sanctuary, the PvP rework and Crystalline Conflict came in a patch, so we'll never know.

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Honestly i would like at least another couple of plates.. those would be very welcomed >_<