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Originally Posted by Folsom

Anytime someone says "the player base thinks X," they're just trying to drum up support for the invisible army they wish they had because they certainly don't have any more access to that kind of information than you (or anyone else) does. Certainly enough of it thinks the healer skill ceiling is too low that it creates lively conversations across multiple media sites and suggests the existence of at least multiple opinions, so it's safe to assume that such trite statements as "the player base does not agree" have no value.

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Yeap, the skill to play healer is so low that the daily roulette is just full of healers.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

I like when non healer player think they know more on how to play healer than we do.
Like, some of us have totally not played every content in this game as healer for 8/6/4 years.

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Then play a different role.

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Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in

Haha part of that is sorta true. We are the reason your que popped. Making healing more complex only makes less people play it or play it well.

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Bad healers existed before the healing role as a whole got dumbed down, and now they're more prevalent than ever before, despite healing being in its simplest incarnation. The only thing the devs accomplished was alienating veteran healers enough to make them abandon the role or the game itself, leaving a void behind that quickly filled up with players that spam their aoe gcd heals when only one person is taking damage and only read tooltips far enough to know that Cure 1 spam can proc freecure, and even then it's a toss up if they even use it.

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Originally Posted by Boizinho

Any monkey can play a ShB healer in Duty Finder content. This kind of ego might be warranted in WoW, but it's definitely not in FFXIV. Healing is the easiest role, even in Savage, and people typically refuse to play it because it's extremely boring. Someone has to press the "heal party after raid-wide" button every 30 seconds, but you're not special for taking on that role at all. You sound like a minimum wage employee at a grocery store bragging about "I'm the reason the food is on the shelf for you to put in your cart. I'M the reason why you were able to pay for it with your credit card so the anti-theft scanner doesn't beep." It's honestly a pathetic thing to have a superiority complex about. You didn't pick the role to be essential, you picked the role to be lazy. Anyone can press the heal party button after the hurt party spell. Most people strive to be better than that. You don't.

Also, despite it being mind-numbingly boring, I typically do queue as healer simply to ensure that the slot isn't filled by someone like you. There's absolutely nothing worse in this game than queuing into a group with an entitled and lazy healer with princess syndrome. Every single Duty Finder horror story is a result of attitudes like yours.

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Oh yes, because playing a DPS is 5D chess.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Not really, there's lots of people on this forum who are ex healers who would gladly come back to the role if they stopped making it baby mode difficulty.

There's nothing inherently satisfying with pressing 1 button and refreshing your DoT every 30 seconds when you've got jobs that literally summon primals or cause huge explosions with rotations that take some semblance of skill

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I’m going to level with you. Keeping the dot up is difficult enough as is. I know people who have a macro/add on to remind them when bio is about to fall off. It’s not as easy as you think.

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Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in

I’m going to level with you. Keeping the dot up is difficult enough as is. I know people who have a macro/add on to remind them when bio is about to fall off. It’s not as easy as you think.

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I think you went a little too far on the trolling so now it's kinda obvious

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Originally Posted by Boizinho

Any monkey can play a ShB healer in Duty Finder content. This kind of ego might be warranted in WoW, but it's definitely not in FFXIV. Healing is the easiest role, even in Savage, and people typically refuse to play it because it's extremely boring. Someone has to press the "heal party after raid-wide" button every 30 seconds, but you're not special for taking on that role at all. You sound like a minimum wage employee at a grocery store bragging about "I'm the reason the food is on the shelf for you to put in your cart. I'M the reason why you were able to pay for it with your credit card so the anti-theft scanner doesn't beep." It's honestly a pathetic thing to have a superiority complex about. You didn't pick the role to be essential, you picked the role to be lazy. Anyone can press the heal party button after the hurt party spell. Most people strive to be better than that. You don't.

Also, despite it being mind-numbingly boring, I typically do queue as healer simply to ensure that the slot isn't filled by someone like you. There's absolutely nothing worse in this game than queuing into a group with an entitled and lazy healer with princess syndrome. Every single Duty Finder horror story is a result of attitudes like yours.

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Just because I enjoy one button dps spam doesn’t make me lazy. In fact it gives me more time to “heal” when my only dps is art of war or broil.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

I think you went a little too far on the trolling so now it's kinda obvious

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You can assume I’m trolling. I don’t care. Dots falling off is an issue and having a add on ping you or say X command when you need a reminder while you are busy managing the fight for yourself and others is very helpful.

I agree with this. But this is a design failure. Instead of forcing players to outsource to YouTube etc to get better the game itself should be teaching you.

what even is being discussed anymore? no amount of ad hominems or actual arguments are gonna change either side's mind. not everyone is arguing in good faith

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

Unfortunately the player base does not agree with your assessment of the healer skill ceiling being low.

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There's an entire forum full of threads that agree with my sentiment. Over the past 3? years too. And about two people in this thread that agree with you. And let's be honest, a lone cowboy here making statements for the "player base" is super sus. Unless you have access to data channels we don't I call BS.

And don't get me wrong. The healers are fine for people with little experience or no desire to optimize and attain a higher skill tier at the role. But anyone who's going to main the role and get better at it will hit the ceiling really fast. And in an MMO that people are going to play over a long period of time... That's pretty much anyone who's going to main the role seriously.

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Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in

Just because I enjoy one button dps spam doesn’t make me lazy. In fact it gives me more time to “heal” when my only dps is art of war or broil.

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I think the point people are trying to make is that if you heal efficiently and try to support your party at the maximum of your ability. You don't need to heal much at all. There's no need for "more time to heal". Even the harder fights like ultimate are about 80% of gcds used to do damage. That's a lot of one-button spam.
So in the end, you're left with little to no healing required and a one-button spam filler. No matter how you look at it, it's a lose-lose. Wheter you're of the mind healers should heal or you're on team "more interesting filler"

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

Oh yes, because playing a DPS is 5D chess.

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There's that constant Sylphie strawman. Complexity between zero and "5D chess" is all equivalent. Having zero complexity is exactly the same as having a small amount of it.

Playing a DPS may not be the most mentally taxing thing you've ever had to do, but it's certainly one thing healers aren't- fun. I refuse to believe Sylphies actually think Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare is fun. It's the worst deliberate RPG class design I've ever seen.

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There's an entire forum full of threads that agree with my sentiment. Over the past 4 years too. And about two people in this thread that agree with you. And let's be honest, a lone cowboy here making statements for the "player base" is super sus. Unless you have access to data channels we don't I call BS.

And don't get me wrong. The healers are fine for people with little experience or no desire to optimize and attain a higher skill tier at the role. But anyone who's going to main the role and get better at it will hit the ceiling really fast. And in an MMO that people are going to play over a long period of time... That's pretty much anyone who's going to main the role seriously.

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And there seems to be an entire team of Devs that aren't in agreement with your sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Not really, there's lots of people on this forum who are ex healers who would gladly come back to the role if they stopped making it baby mode difficulty.

There's nothing inherently satisfying with pressing 1 button and refreshing your DoT every 30 seconds when you've got jobs that literally summon primals or cause huge explosions with rotations that take some semblance of skill

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Right. And the argument inherently doesn't make sense anyway; if people didn't play complicated jobs, DPS would be the job not queueing. The fact that healing is the easiest job and *still* has instant queues means people are leaving healer for other jobs. Now, correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation (it's equally likely that both healers and tanks don't queue for their respective roles because of the feeling of responsibility/fear of being blamed for any failure), but it definitely means people aren't gravitating away from healer because they're too complicated.

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

And there seems to be an entire team of Devs that aren't in agreement with your sentiment.

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Yes the same team that brought us lilies 1.0, thought removing ED was a good idea (lol), then thought nerfing ED was going to change how scholars were played, then thought that buffing broil was a good idea (leading to them ruining their already miss-tuned ruin II setup), and a myriad of other changes (the list of which is too long to fit here) that demonstrate they clearly don't play healers beyond the beginner level (honestly sometimes I wonder if at all). This is the same team that admitted for TWO FULL EXPANSIONS that they didn't know how to balance healers, the same team that admitted a few days ago that they didn't see what they could do with SCH (when there's an entire forum full of suggestions right here, some pretty decent ones in the lot too).

And honestly, I still can't get over how Lilies 1.0 were so outrageously flawed that the entire community in these forums warned them that they wouldn't be used at all just from seeing the tooltip for it. And of course, we just removed the damn thing from our hotbars for an entire expansion. How they couldn't tell that in an instant is beyond me. I'm going to stick with trusting the community on this one.

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Originally Posted by Folsom

Anytime someone says "the player base thinks X," they're just trying to drum up support for the invisible army they wish they had because they certainly don't have any more access to that kind of information than you (or anyone else) does.

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Right. And the argument inherently doesn't make sense anyway; if people didn't play complicated jobs, DPS would be the job not queueing. The fact that healing is the easiest job and *still* has instant queues means people are leaving healer for other jobs. Now, correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation (it's equally likely that both healers and tanks don't queue for their respective roles because of the feeling of responsibility/fear of being blamed for any failure), but it definitely means people aren't gravitating away from healer because they're too complicated.

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Interesting

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

Oh yes, because playing a DPS is 5D chess.

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Remind me, which DPS job has a rotation that never gets any more complex after level 4?

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Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in

I’m going to level with you. Keeping the dot up is difficult enough as is. I know people who have a macro/add on to remind them when bio is about to fall off. It’s not as easy as you think.

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People with crippling physical disabilities have cleared Savage. Stop making excuses. If you typed all these posts yourself, you have what it takes to play an MMO at a level above the absolute bare minimum. We know what it takes because we do it in every encounter.

Look, here's the deal. It's obvious that you're already not playing your job to its fullest potential and you really, obviously don't care that you aren't. If they made healers more complex or more interesting or, god forbid, raised the skill ceiling a bit, nothing would change for you. You'd go from someone who's too lazy to do more than the bare minimum, to someone who's too lazy to do more than the bare minimum. If they add 3 more buttons to the DPS rotation, just don't press them. Just like you're already probably playing very poorly and not caring because you're "carrying" the group by queuing as the green job.

You're already proud of the fact that you're not even close to the skill cap as it is now, so you should have no problem with it being raised. Anyone who cares to improve is already better at playing a healer than you are.

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Originally Posted by Boizinho

Remind me, which DPS job has a rotation that never gets any more complex after level 4?

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That's because it's called a DPS job. Healers get expanded healing abilities because they are healers. See how that works?

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

That's because it's called a DPS job. Healers get expanded healing abilities because they are healers. See how that works?

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Do you see how that works? Dps get useful skills and healers, who barely need to heal, get redundant healing skills when functionally they would use new dps abilities more.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

Do you see how that works? Dps get useful skills and healers, who barely need to heal, get redundant healing skills when functionally they would use new dps abilities more.

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I keep hearing this "barely need to heal" but am not seeing it in every day practice. Incoming parse from an established group farming an encounter.

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

And there seems to be an entire team of Devs that aren't in agreement with your sentiment.

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Then I hope the devs enjoy the game. I know this might be a shocking realization, but the game is meant to be played by players, not the devs. If you think that they are automatically correct just because they're the ones in charge, you are saying every game ever created, even the failures, are indisputable successes.

Please, Mr Lv80 Paladin with about as much healing experience as a toddler does with nuclear fission, just walk away. I'm really of half a mind to say you're just trolling for provocation because you've done literally nothing else but pick fights with two sentence responses that only provide insight into your ignorance of what healing is beyond HP go up.

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

That's because it's called a DPS job. Healers get expanded healing abilities because they are healers. See how that works?

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Right, so tanks should tank then?

6.0 should remove Riot Blade, Royal Authority, Prominence, Circle of Scorn, Holy Spirit, Confiteor, Atonement, Holy Circle, Maim, Storm's Path, Mythril Tempest, Decimate, Fell Cleave, Upheaval, Chaotic Cyclone, Storm's Eye, Syphon Strike, Souleater, Flood of Shadow, Edge of Shadow, Abyssal Drain, Carve and Spit, Bloodspiller, Quietus, Stalwart Soul, Brutal Shell, Blasting Zone, Solid Barrel, Burst Strike, Demon Slaughter, Gnashing Fang, Savage Claw, Wicked Talon, Continuation, Bow Shock, and Fated Circle.

Paladin should be Goring Blade -> Fast Blade -> Fast Blade -> Fast Blade -> Fast Blade -> Fast Blade -> Fast Blade -> Fast Blade -> Fast Blade -> Fast Blade

Warrior should be Heavy Swing -> Heavy Swing -> Heavy Swing -> Heavy Swing -> Heavy Swing -> Heavy Swing -> Heavy Swing -> Heavy Swing (No DoT to keep its identity as the easy tank)

Dark Knight should be Salted Earth -> Hard Slash -> Hard Slash -> Hard Slash -> Hard Slash -> Hard Slash -> Hard Slash -> Hard Slash -> Hard Slash

Gunbreaker should be Sonic Break -> Keen Edge -> Keen Edge -> Keen Edge -> Keen Edge -> Keen Edge -> Keen Edge -> Keen Edge -> Keen Edge -> Keen Edge

The rest of their hotbar should be completely filled with Rampart clones. They should have 25 mitigation cooldowns available per minute to deal with the 1 tank buster that happens in that time span. That would be fun, right?

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Oh, by the way. Your active character literally doesn't have a job stone equipped (Gladiator Lv 80, obviously a troll) and yet your DPS rotation is still more complex than a level 80 healer who does have a job stone equipped. I thought tanks were supposed to tank? They're not called DPS. Get that pesky Rage of Halone off your bars, you have no business using that without a red job icon.

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

I keep hearing this "barely need to heal" but am not seeing it in every day practice. Incoming parse from an established group farming an encounter.

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if you dont see how little healers have to actually heal then youre not looking at the actual hp bars and damage taken. I also dont know how you can just dismiss proof of the very thing you apparently dont see.

But whatever, if you dont like the evidence that people link, how about you provide it. What content then are you doing that needs so much healing? can you provide us a log, any log, from this expansion where both healers are constantly healing AND:
- have 90+% gcd uptime
- actually use their ogcd heals more than once
- have less than 50% overheal


also a fun observation:
Neo Exdeath, a fight from the very first raid tier in stormblood: the boss dealt a total of 13,171 damage to the party.
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/cnbGm...e=damage-taken

Eden's Verse: Furor (savage), a fight more than a whole expansion later: the boss dealt a total of 17,826 damage to the party
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/FAgJ2...e=damage-taken


yeah ok

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Originally Posted by Boizinho

Right, so tanks should tank then?

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Oh those amazing Apples vs Oranges~

And that's what tanks do! Healers heal and DPS, every once, in while do a rotation to contribute to the team effort~

I would be more than happy to take a healer's heals, when tanking, and they can do the tank rotation.

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Originally Posted by Boizinho

Any monkey can play a ShB healer in Duty Finder content. This kind of ego might be warranted in WoW, but it's definitely not in FFXIV. Healing is the easiest role, even in Savage, and people typically refuse to play it because it's extremely boring. Someone has to press the "heal party after raid-wide" button every 30 seconds, but you're not special for taking on that role at all. You sound like a minimum wage employee at a grocery store bragging about "I'm the reason the food is on the shelf for you to put in your cart. I'M the reason why you were able to pay for it with your credit card so the anti-theft scanner doesn't beep." It's honestly a pathetic thing to have a superiority complex about. You didn't pick the role to be essential, you picked the role to be lazy. Anyone can press the heal party button after the hurt party spell. Most people strive to be better than that. You don't.

Also, despite it being mind-numbingly boring, I typically do queue as healer simply to ensure that the slot isn't filled by someone like you. There's absolutely nothing worse in this game than queuing into a group with an entitled and lazy healer with princess syndrome. Every single Duty Finder horror story is a result of attitudes like yours.

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Healers are more complicated than DPS and tanks in savage content. AST is arguably the most complicated role in the game to play optimally and they only have 2 DPS buttons to press on GCD. Not only because you don't have an actual rotation that you strictly follow like DPS and tanks, but because optimal play requires managing 1min long oGCD cds and the cooperation of your co-healer and party members if you are not out gearing the content. The second factor is entirely not dependant on individual skills.

It was easier for me to play Summoner in savage prog than it was to play White mage. Optimal play is actually so easy to reach with DPS role, you can do that even if 5 people have died throughout the savage run. People legit have nothing going on with DPS roles. Nothing to look or watch out for that a healer doesn't have to, outside of a simple 1-2-3 rotation filler. They have no responsibility whatsoever outside using Addle on the boss before big raid-wides. They are simply pressing the exact same buttons that they would have pressed when attacking a dummy while watching what the boss is going to do next. If anything DPS jobs have the most predictable pattern of playstyle which is what I find truly boring. Not being able to do anything else outside 1-2-3.

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Originally Posted by QooEr

if you dont see how little healers have to actually heal then youre not looking at the actual hp bars and damage taken. I also dont know how you can just dismiss proof of the very thing you apparently dont see.

But whatever, if you dont like the evidence that people link, how about you provide it. What content then are you doing that needs so much healing? can you provide us a log, any log, from this expansion where both healers are constantly healing AND:
- have 90+% gcd uptime
- actually use their ogcd heals more than once
- have less than 50% overheal


also a fun observation:
Neo Exdeath, a fight from the very first raid tier in stormblood: the boss dealt a total of 13,171 damage to the party.
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/cnbGm...e=damage-taken

Eden's Verse: Furor (savage), a fight more than a whole expansion later: the boss dealt a total of 17,826 damage to the party
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/FAgJ2...e=damage-taken


yeah ok

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Encounters not forcing enough mandatory healing does not equate into healers needing some kind of elaborate dos rotation.

And here is the rub again: an organized group that has an encounter on farm mode can minimize dmg by doing the encounter flawlessly because they know how to do all the mechanics properly. Join any duty finder group and all of that falls away.

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

Encounters not forcing enough mandatory healing does not equate into healers needing some kind of elaborate dos rotation.

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I never mentioned dps rotations. i asked you to provide me evidence of your claim "I keep hearing this "barely need to heal" but am not seeing it in every day practice"
You also implicitly agreed that theres very little damage in recent encounters. "Encounters not forcing enough mandatory healing[...]"

...so which one is it then?

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

And here is the rub again: an organized group that has an encounter on farm mode can minimize dmg by doing the encounter flawlessly because they know how to do all the mechanics properly. Join any duty finder group and all of that falls away.

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Who said the logs i linked werent from PF? i can give you plenty of other logs from several fights i did on PF this expansion where the bosses dealt comparable damage to neo exdeath.

i've lurked this forum long enough to realize that some portion of the player base just doesn't want healing to be a demanding job and will vocally oppose any efforts to raise the barrier to entry. I disagree with those people, but honestly I don't think it's worth arguing the point anymore. the devs have shown that they are firmly committed to maximum accessibility, and it's not like the other roles don't already allow minimum effort players to squeak by in their own way. it's just the nature of a hyper-casual queue based MMO.

what I don't get, though - what I've never seen argued cogently even once - is how giving healers more DPS buttons would actually raise the barrier to entry. of course, it would make optimal play more difficult (that's the point!) but if you're already unconcerned with maximizing your DPS, it's not going to change anything for you. I don't buy the argument that more abilities would scare off new players, because new players have no problem flocking to DPS jobs with twice the complexity of healers and then just disregarding most of the mechanics. what's the sense in designing jobs around people who are going to press buttons more or less at random anyways? it's also worth noting that MSQ/overworld battles are a significant part of the new player experience, and they feel TERRIBLE on healer with their current DPS options. I think that unbelievably tedious encounters are far more likely to make a new player quit than somehow getting confused by a few DPS buttons.

the only drawback I see to augmenting healer DPS kits is button bloat - but it's pretty hard to argue that healers need all of their healing buttons currently, and the folks clamoring for simplicity shouldn't object to losing a heal or two anyways. if encounter design demanded more from healers than it might feel bad losing some healing tools, but veteran players should know by now that encounter design is NEVER going to radically change such that healers are required to constantly be healing. hey, I wish that healing was more demanding too! but that's not the game that we have, and it's not the game we're ever going to have. using that argument in favor of gimped healer DPS feels pretty disingenuous to me at this point. in fact it says a lot about how poorly designed healers are that even Squenix's staunchest defenders realize there's a massive gap between the way the role is designed and the way the game actually plays.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

There's that constant Sylphie strawman. Complexity between zero and "5D chess" is all equivalent. Having zero complexity is exactly the same as having a small amount of it.

Playing a DPS may not be the most mentally taxing thing you've ever had to do, but it's certainly one thing healers aren't- fun. I refuse to believe Sylphies actually think Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare is fun. It's the worst deliberate RPG class design I've ever seen.

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It’s fine because what’s fun is the boss dying. For example in old Tales of abyss games I spammed demon fang and never used other artes. Many did that why? Because it’s fun to fight and kill things not the complexity to it.

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Originally Posted by Boizinho

Remind me, which DPS job has a rotation that never gets any more complex after level 4?



People with crippling physical disabilities have cleared Savage. Stop making excuses. If you typed all these posts yourself, you have what it takes to play an MMO at a level above the absolute bare minimum. We know what it takes because we do it in every encounter.

Look, here's the deal. It's obvious that you're already not playing your job to its fullest potential and you really, obviously don't care that you aren't. If they made healers more complex or more interesting or, god forbid, raised the skill ceiling a bit, nothing would change for you. You'd go from someone who's too lazy to do more than the bare minimum, to someone who's too lazy to do more than the bare minimum. If they add 3 more buttons to the DPS rotation, just don't press them. Just like you're already probably playing very poorly and not caring because you're "carrying" the group by queuing as the green job.

You're already proud of the fact that you're not even close to the skill cap as it is now, so you should have no problem with it being raised. Anyone who cares to improve is already better at playing a healer than you are.

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I care to improve when I’m rewarded for it. Aka when I’m forced to for better gear in end game content. If I need to improve and get rewarded with savage gear bis then sure if not then why bother?

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Healers are more complicated than DPS and tanks in savage content. AST is arguably the most complicated role in the game to play optimally and they only have 2 DPS buttons to press on GCD. Not only because you don't have an actual rotation that you strictly follow like DPS and tanks, but because optimal play requires managing 1min long oGCD cds and the cooperation of your co-healer and party members if you are not out gearing the content. The second factor is entirely not dependant on individual skills.

It was easier for me to play Summoner in savage prog than it was to play White mage. Optimal play is actually so easy to reach with DPS role, you can do that even if 5 people have died throughout the savage run. People legit have nothing going on with DPS roles. Nothing to look or watch out for that a healer doesn't have to, outside of a simple 1-2-3 rotation filler. They have no responsibility whatsoever outside using Addle on the boss before big raid-wides. They are simply pressing the exact same buttons that they would have pressed when attacking a dummy while watching what the boss is going to do next. If anything DPS jobs have the most predictable pattern of playstyle which is what I find truly boring. Not being able to do anything else outside 1-2-3.

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Thank you this. Dps is just rotation kill. Healer has to keep everyone alive, revive, dps and adjust constantly. It’s far more interactive UNLESS you have a perfect party at which point don’t bitch you are bored be happy you are doing less. It’s a “day off” basically.

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

Encounters not forcing enough mandatory healing does not equate into healers needing some kind of elaborate dos rotation.

And here is the rub again: an organized group that has an encounter on farm mode can minimize dmg by doing the encounter flawlessly because they know how to do all the mechanics properly. Join any duty finder group and all of that falls away.

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This again times 1000. Stop acting like everyone is playing challenger/pro league and realize that yes those in diamond and below the people not in perfect high parse static groups exist.

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

Encounters not forcing enough mandatory healing does not equate into healers needing some kind of elaborate dos rotation.

And here is the rub again: an organized group that has an encounter on farm mode can minimize dmg by doing the encounter flawlessly because they know how to do all the mechanics properly. Join any duty finder group and all of that falls away.

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That's the thing though.

Your enjoyment should be able to rise when you are with a good group. Therefore, gameplay with minimal healing should be a design consideration.

If you get into a farm party in PF that actually is a farm party, the healer shouldn't be disappointed that they don't have to heal...

https://c.tenor.com/xwVllq_MsjoAAAAC...vey-scared.gif



Ignorance is a damn bliss with these "Two people" in this thread so far....


Anyone with a single brain cell can tell that "Spamming one button is not FUN

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Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in

Thank you this. Dps is just rotation kill. Healer has to keep everyone alive, revive, dps and adjust constantly. It’s far more interactive UNLESS you have a perfect party at which point don’t bitch you are bored be happy you are doing less. It’s a “day off” basically.

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its competely contradictory and paradoxical how you simultaneously brush off dps playstyle as "just rotation skill", and yet its somehow impossibly hard for a healer to do or even attempt to do what was described as, and i quote, "most predictable pattern of playstyle".


so is it easy or is it not easy? which one is it? if its so easy why cant a healer also do it? if its not easy then how do dps and tanks manage to keep their rotation while also having the situational awareness to deal with mechanics and use party-dependent tools such as cover, aetherial manipulation, verraise?

how does the cognitive load of pressing whispering dawn or medica ii after you see the boss cast a raidwide differ from a tank pressing rampart when they see the boss casting a tankbuster? how do red mages and summoners manage to notice a dead party member and raise them while also doing their rotation?

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Ignorance is a damn bliss with these "Two people" in this thread so far....

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Pretty much. The tl;dr is "Play healer:

• .. in the first week of each contents to indulge the chaos to not be bored."
• .. if you want to be bored until next new unfamiliar content comes around."
• .. with a group of stupid players to have something to heal."

Fancy. But no.
I can heal damage but not stupid. :rolleyes: That's too much to handle for me, even with all these bloated healing buttons, or maybe I need more! I'm no Lord and Savior!

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Originally Posted by VeolE

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Ignorance is a damn bliss with these "Two people" in this thread so far....


Anyone with a single brain cell can tell that "Spamming one button is not FUN

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I agree! Spamming a sequence of three+ buttons is when the true fun starts!

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

I agree! Spamming a sequence of three+ buttons is when the true fun starts!

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I mean.. Obvious troll aside, with that kind of reasoning every job should be a one-button spam since it doesn't seem to make any difference to you. At least it'll be super accessible. And by your standards, also fun.

The reality is that a line has to be drawn at some point. And there's a forum full of healer mains saying that it isn't in the right spot. And one gladiator saying it is? (I'm assuming that's what you're saying since, honestly, it just looks like you're being contrarian for the sake of it).
As for the healer here, I can't tell if this is your main or an alt but to make things short:
Yes, we do realize that if you play your class casually it doesn't really matter, but it equally wouldn't matter to those players if SE raised the ceiling a bit since they aren't at cap either way. The only pitfall is not creating too big a dps gap between player bases but there are plenty of ways healers could be more challenging while respecting that.

Edit: looking over forums again (not tired this time) looks like I'm getting baited by trolls. Live and learn.

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Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in

This again times 1000. Stop acting like everyone is playing challenger/pro league and realize that yes those in diamond and below the people not in perfect high parse static groups exist.

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Imagine thinking that pressing more than 1 button in a fight were all the damage is scripted outside very tiny segments and player mistakes (if you can even recover) is challenger/pro league level of play

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

Imagine thinking that pressing more than 1 button in a fight were all the damage is scripted outside very tiny segments and player mistakes (if you can even recover) is challenger/pro league level of play

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League of Legends is not a complicated game. Once you've played enough games, the behaviour of players becomes very predictable especially at the challenger level of play where stupidity levels should be kept at zero.