Will we EVER be able to glamour gear that we cannot wear???

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

What need is there to know someone's class outside of a party situation, though? I've been racking my brain and I can't think of a single reason why you would need to know that.

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And I cant think of a single reason why jobs should be able to wear another jobs gear.

i still want to see a mage without physical training wear a full plate armor and try to move with it. *laughs* that the whole reason of why armor are jobs locked and level locked.
in everyday life you can wear everything you want, yep, do that means you will be able to move like you want that another problem.

about the tank in loincloth, why not... i means it don't add clothes but take out them haha, but i'm against the idea to take out restriction of class or level simply because you want to look like a badass warrior as mage or the inverse... a bit of coherence is more than welcome.

oh by the way, what you wear everyday is more civvies clothing, not really jobs equipement, in the game they exist and are generally level 1 and no class restriction.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

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Lore-wise npcs *do* cross class training; this was really seen in 1.0, but there are some mentions of npcs training in another class.

I forgot the name, but a CRP guildleve talks about ARC/ LNC needed more CNJ staves so they can learn a bit on conjury to help in battle.
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/image...orn_Squire.png
And the various Ishgardian CNJ-Knights (Legacy players can still the chainmail set wear btw)

There is this: 2 MRDs and a ARC wearing an recolored mage-robe found in Cutter's Cry
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mZIBT0CkFJw/hqdefault.jpg

But yeah, some of the restrictions should be there, but they should atleast be loosen it up abit and open more options for all

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Then we should allow white mages to cast all black mage spells as well.

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Point me to the lore that says a White Mages spell power is based on their clothing. =) I would love to see your lore sources.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i still want to see a mage without physical training wear a full plate armor and try to move with it. *laughs* that the whole reason of why armor are jobs locked and level locked.
in everyday life you can wear everything you want, yep, do that means you will be able to move like you want that another problem.

about the tank in loincloth, why not... i means it don't add clothes but take out them haha, but i'm against the idea to take out restriction of class or level simply because you want to look like a badass warrior as mage or the inverse... a bit of coherence is more than welcome.

oh by the way, what you wear everyday is more civvies clothing, not really jobs equipement, in the game they exist and are generally level 1 and no class restriction.

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Medieval Full Plate, the kind they actually used for war is actually LIGHTER then a heavy robe. It would give you more movement and move faster then a man wearing a heavy robe. You obviously don't know armor, a US soldier wears almost twice as much armor in Kevlar then a medieval knight used to wear.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh5...3-3_shortfilms

Sorry, but a mage can wear plate armor fine. It is not THAT restrictive. THAT is a Myth.

It was just uncommon and very expensive. Only the wealthy were knights. However that expense does not relate much to Final Fantasy. Metals and Craft are much cheaper.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i still want to see a mage without physical training wear a full plate armor and try to move with it. *laughs*

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http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...NPC_Render.jpg

Louisoix's sabatons would like to have a word with you. :P

If you have dated gear, it can be glamoured on anything. So if you still have stuff hanging around on your calamity salvager, that's one solution.
But here's an idea. Bring an event that allows us to earn some dated gear. Let's excavate some pre-calamity graves and allow us to get some basic gear from back in the day. The same items that already exist in the game today. If it is popular enough, then perhaps bring the event back again and add in some "new" dated gear to keep the looks fresh but the lore appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Weapon display can be turned off and the other player have to be in the party to see his class icon.

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You can't hide your weapon when you're using it, and if they aren't in the party you can always examine them.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

And I cant think of a single reason why jobs should be able to wear another jobs gear.

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Then you didn't think very hard.

AF gear sure, it doesn't make sense to let another job glamour it. But the Kirumu Coat or Wolfram Cuirass, for example, have zero special reason why they couldn't be glamoured to other jobs.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

And I cant think of a single reason why jobs should be able to wear another jobs gear.

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Please tell me why I can have two palette-swapped versions of the exact same shirt (Divine Light and Divine Hero) and yet only be allowed to glamour one of them. Does my character magically lose the ability to button up the red shirt when she is a different job? It's exactly the same as the white one-- literally the only difference between those two pieces of gear is the color. There is zero logical reason not to allow BRDs and NINs to glamour both shirts.

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Originally Posted by Orspeth

You dumb? Do you honestly think everyone would choose to wear the same thing or to look all alike if we could all glamour mix'n'match anything we wanted? There would be more variety and many, many more different looks available. This could only enrich the experience, not diminish it.

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Pot, Kettle, etc, if you seriously think what i said meant any of that, its due to the fact everyone will be able to wear anything, and there will be no exclusive. we have plenty of things already to mix and match, do you desperatly REALLY want to wear every jobs set? It takes a bit of common sense to understand why wearing different jobs gear when you can't wear it normally, makes no sense.

In other words, It's not happening, Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Point me to the lore that says a White Mages spell power is based on their clothing. =) I would love to see your lore sources

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Looks like you failed to comprehend correctly. as none of that made any sense to what i was getting at.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

It takes a bit of common sense to understand why wearing different jobs gear when you can't wear it normally, makes no sense.

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I think you're confusing "sense" with arbitrary reasoning.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

Please tell me why I can have two palette-swapped versions of the exact same shirt (Divine Light and Divine Hero) and yet only be allowed to glamour one of them. Does my character magically lose the ability to button up the red shirt when she is a different job? It's exactly the same as the white one-- literally the only difference between those two pieces of gear is the color. There is zero logical reason not to allow BRDs and NINs to glamour both shirts.

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This counterpoints the above quite nicely. There is no sensible reason why, it simply is, because videogames.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Pot, Kettle, etc, if you seriously think what i said meant any of that, its due to the fact everyone will be able to wear anything, and there will be no exclusive. we have plenty of things already to mix and match, do you desperatly REALLY want to wear every jobs set? It takes a bit of common sense to understand why wearing different jobs gear when you can't wear it normally, makes no sense.

In other words, It's not happening, Get over it.

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There's no coherency in your argument. More options = greater opportunity to make your character feel as you want it, be it unique or not. If you don't want to glamour plate on a mage or whatever, then nothing forces you, but the people who want to do so should be able to.

Talk about getting over it. You need to get over what other people do with their characters.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

I think you're confusing "sense" with arbitrary reasoning.


This counterpoints the above quite nicely. There is no sensible reason why, it simply is, because videogames.

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It dosn't it's just a simple failure of understanding how the glamour system in this game works. Regardless of the "sense" it makes.

But this is getting tired. Simply put: if you cannot equip the gear normally, you cannot wear it. Complaining about it all day and night isn't going to change it. But that is all these forums are mostly.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

There's no coherency in your argument. More options = greater opportunity to make your character feel as you want it, be it unique or not. If you don't want to glamour plate on a mage or whatever, then nothing forces you, but the people who want to do so should be able to.

Talk about getting over it. You need to get over what other people do with their characters.

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See last post. Not going to bother anymore, feel free to dream about it,

Actually, i would also like all animations for every race/gender to be put on everyone. while we're at it, Make it happen, SE.

Please SE. Let me make a heavily armored ninja.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Since that restriction has been removed, why not just open them up entirely to be used in the glamour system?

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Oh I can't wait to see those dragoons doing jumps in their white mage armor.

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Originally Posted by Akselier

Oh I can't wait to see those dragoons doing jumps in their white mage armor.

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Is that truly any worse than seeing your tank run through dungeons naked?


To add to my earlier comment, while I don't see any reason to NOT allow AF and all other gear to be glamoured freely, I personally would not be upset if they kept AF locked to just the job. I understand both sides of the argument relating to AF, but there really is no reason to keep all the other gear locked.


With the new expansion, they are already reusing skins on new armor for new classes(example: the Hussar gear is now used for DoH/all classes), so why the barrier?

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Originally Posted by myahele

It's not a technical issue at all, just a design/ artistic choice that the devs aren't consistent in.

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Do you ever pay attention to this game systems?
Let's say they are wacky and hardly connect at all. The very notion of using an item that you cannot equip would blow up the whole game :P

My main issue with this is really the fact that while we have these restrictions, NPCs do not have the restrictions at all

OH one more point I would like to make:
When people try to use the argument of "the heavy armor is too heavy for a mage without physical training"
Not when glamour is just the image of the armor over your robes, not the actual physical armor

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Originally Posted by Ditto

And I cant think of a single reason why jobs should be able to wear another jobs gear.

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Well, your character is still the same person, regardless of what weapon they're holding at the moment.

Well i can already look like a mage as a drk. And everyone can look like a crafter, or a beachgoer.

Silly already went out the door with those jester caps.

SE's reasoning was garbage the minute they said it. So i would welcome a little more freedom with the glamour choices.

Ishgard certainly has no problem decking their conjurers in haubergeons and the like.

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Originally Posted by Zari

I think AF gear should stay restricted.
Everything else should be free to glamour
ESPECIALLY when NPCs can wear gear they shouldnt be able to as their class.
Ex) Papalymo with armor gloves, the pirate/bandit leader in the AST story wearing the infantry skirt while they are an ACN

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Papalymo wear dated gear. Dated gear is "all classes".
Every gear before the big "recipe and gear revamp" in 1.20 (?) was all classes. Only that only specific classes got 100% of the stats on them.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Papalymo wear dated gear. Dated gear is "all classes"

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Papalymo wore that getup before it was dated.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Papalymo wear dated gear. Dated gear is "all classes".
Every gear before the big "recipe and gear revamp" in 1.20 (?) was all classes. Only that only specific classes got 100% of the stats on them.

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Yeah but even then you see a ton of npcs wearing non-dated gear that they shouldnt be able to wear as their class

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

It dosn't it's just a simple failure of understanding how the glamour system in this game works. Regardless of the "sense" it makes.

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I think everyone here understands how the glamour system currently works. The topic of this thread, though, isn't about how it currently works. It's asking about a requested change to how it works and whether people would prefer it to work differently. Currently, you're right. We cannot glamour gear that our current job cannot wear. But the discussion is about whether or not we should be able to if the rules were going to be changed.

Why do you think the rule should stay as it is? Earlier you stated that "It takes a bit of common sense to understand why wearing different jobs gear when you can't wear it normally, makes no sense." Yet now when it's pointed out how little sense some of the restrictions make (especially on gear that's nothing but a palette-swap away from stuff you can wear), you're instead saying that it's just the way it works regardless of "sense". So which is it? Or were all your posts about how a change wouldn't make sense really intended to just point out what the current system is?

Maybe I would give MCH a shot if I could glamour it with heavy armor like many of the Final Fantasy game Infantry mobs do :/

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

I think everyone here understands how the glamour system currently works. The topic of this thread, though, isn't about how it currently works. It's asking about a requested change to how it works and whether people would prefer it to work differently. Currently, you're right. We cannot glamour gear that our current job cannot wear.

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Apparently not, If people understood how it works, they wouldn't be here asking why their war cannot equip ninja gear. as it was said, many times already, they cannot equip the gear normally, so it can't be glamoured, so all the defenders rushed in with "why can we wear swimsuits, chocobo oufits etc etc, but not job specfic gear?"

Because you can wear swimsuits etc on any job. thus you can glamour it, the only "argument" here is simply people crying that they cant wear job restricted armor. but want to. Which will never happen. which is why i said it takes common sense, to know that something like this will never happen. and this topic wouldn't still be going with "waaa why cant i wear everything!"

So i do not think everyone understands how it works, or rather, they do NOT want it to work like that, unless you are admitting this topic is more or less "i want it, damn lore. reasoning, logic" My only mistake is not realizing how complaint topics works, that they are for complaining, and wasted posts.

There, now off i go. Back to your wishes and dreams.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Apparently not, If people understood how it works, they wouldn't be here asking why their war cannot equip ninja gear. as it was said, many times already, they cannot equip the gear normally, so it can't be glamoured, so all the defenders rushed in with "why can we wear swimsuits, chocobo oufits etc etc, but not job specfic gear?"

Because you can wear swimsuits etc on any job. thus you can glamour it, the only "argument" here is simply people crying that they cant wear job restricted armor. but want to. Which will never happen. which is why i said it takes common sense, to know that something like this will never happen. and this topic wouldn't still be going with "waaa why cant i wear everything!"

So i do not think everyone understands how it works, or rather, they do NOT want it to work like that, unless you are admitting this topic is more or less "i want it, damn lore. reasoning, logic" My only mistake is not realizing how complaint topics works, that they are for complaining, and wasted posts.

There, now off i go. Back to your wishes and dreams.

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I'll bold it, maybe you'll get it to sink in:

We understand how the current glamour system works, this thread however is discussing changing the current glamour system to allow players, yourself included, to have more options in the appearance of their characters.

If you don't get it by now, yer either an idiot, a troll, or deliberately obtuse. Pick one.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

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You're being deliberately obtuse at this point.

They are asking "why" to try and understand what reasoning, from a game design perspective, there are class/job restrictions on items, and for what reasoning should this stay, and for what reasoning NPCs don't also follow this logic. We ALL understand that it's not currently possible to do this in-game, we are pondering why these restrictions are implemented and why they are inconsistent. We're pointing out, that the "common sense" reasoning, is inconsistent and completely arbitrary, and asserting that it is "common sense" without any supporting evidence isn't an argument at all, it's being contrarian for the sake of itself. A simple, "I don't want it to work that way." would suffice, without implying that anyone who wants it otherwise is somehow lesser than you in your reasoning capability.

Much less you're being rude and dismissive of others desires as "wishes and dreams" and seem arrogantly convinced that it "will never happen."

If you're actually going to leave, please do. You're bringing nothing to the conversation except for a passive aggressive behavior that, at this point, I can only assume is intent on getting a rise out of people.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

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There is NOTHING to bring to this conversation other then denial. Nor was i being "rude" i simply stated why it can't be done, and i kept getting responses like yours (but less jumping to conclusions) Your assumption is also wrong, It's the same reason why female characters do not have male animations, it's an indentitiy issue. and square wants to keep that.

And i was already "done" with this, but i have to keep correcting mistakes like this. but i'll leave you and all else to this now.

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Originally Posted by Ayanno

I'll bold it, maybe you'll get it to sink in:

We understand how the current glamour system works, this thread however is discussing changing the current glamour system to allow players, yourself included, to have more options in the appearance of their characters.

If you don't get it by now, yer either an idiot, a troll, or deliberately obtuse. Pick one.

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Then ask for giving more gear models a "all classes" version

Bringing the devs to create more vanity gear is easier than bringing them to allow you to wear what you can't wear.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

There is NOTHING to bring to this conversation other then denial. Nor was i being "rude" i simply stated why it can't be done, and i kept getting responses like yours (but less jumping to conclusions) Your assumption is also wrong, It's the same reason why female characters do not have male animations, it's an indentitiy issue. and square wants to keep that.

And i was already "done" with this, but i have to keep correcting mistakes like this. but i'll leave you and all else to this now.

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Yeah, so instead of saying what your saying. Saying its valid. Simply say.

"I don't like it. This is my opinion."

Your making it sound like there is an issue with it. When you have argued with nothing. So there is no issue. Your just being a brat. =)

There is no lore issue with it.
There is no story issue with it.
There is no game issue with it, its just locked.
There is no technical issue with it. Since we can obviously "Try on" and then fill in the gaps with regular armor.
http://i.imgur.com/exkHfDc.png

So yeah.

I already know you don't like it.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Then ask for giving more gear models a "all classes" version

Bringing the devs to create more vanity gear is easier than bringing them to allow you to wear what you can't wear.

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How do you know that?
Are you so knowledgeable of the engine that you know that there isn't a variable they can toggle to allow an item to be glamour despite being unable to equip it?
Because if there was such a variable, then it would be as easy as just adding in an all-class item of the same model into the game, and it would require less content to be added.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

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I have jumped to no conclusions, I went through all of your posts before reaching my conclusion that you're being obtuse. Please take your self-righteous desire to "correct" matters of opinion somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

How do you know that?
Are you so knowledgeable of the engine that you know that there isn't a variable they can toggle to allow an item to be glamour despite being unable to equip it?
Because if there was such a variable, then it would be as easy as just adding in an all-class item of the same model into the game, and it would require less content to be added.

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Or just making it like "disciple of magic." or "disciple of war." instead of being restricted.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Then ask for giving more gear models a "all classes" version

Bringing the devs to create more vanity gear is easier than bringing them to allow you to wear what you can't wear.

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Actually its more complicated to keep the current restrictions. See the holy rainbow shirt of verb.

As was stated previously, a lot of these restrictions are simply nonsensical and inconsistent.

I would like more vanity gear, but that doesn't address the existing problem.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Because you can wear swimsuits etc on any job. thus you can glamour it, the only "argument" here is simply people crying that they cant wear job restricted armor. but want to. Which will never happen. which is why i said it takes common sense, to know that something like this will never happen. and this topic wouldn't still be going with "waaa why cant i wear everything!"

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Common sense would tell me that there is no way for any of us to know what will be implemented in the future.

And I would disagree with you that this is absolutely something that will never happen. FFXI, that other MMO made by SE, allows for glamouring across the board. These are obviously different games, different development teams, etc, but if it can be made a reality in one game, I definitely would not write this off as something that will never happen in XIV.

Am I the only one that dyed the alchemist coat red and ran around looking like the full metal alchemist? Lol it would be cool to glamour that on my blm. I understand many peoples opinions that class gear should remain class specific. What I'd like is more all class options. Like a lot more.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

How do you know that?
Are you so knowledgeable of the engine that you know that there isn't a variable they can toggle to allow an item to be glamour despite being unable to equip it?
Because if there was such a variable, then it would be as easy as just adding in an all-class item of the same model into the game, and it would require less content to be added.

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You doubt that copy/paste gear models and give them the "all classes" tag or changing the classes restrictions of already existing gears is easier than changing the glamour feature?

Also, the first one still give the devs control about what can use as a glamour on all classes, like no AF.