I second this sir. I started playing and still play this game because it IS NOT like FFXI. But, now they are removing or beginning to remove most of what was unique about this game. I cant wait to see what they will revert next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun_Anam
Neither of those had the same races this XI or XIV have. if anything, XIV is a glorified clone of XI. Same races, different world. They could have at least had male mithra and female galka already ready for play.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
SE just copy FFXI in FFXIV
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06-22-2011, 11:51 PMReika
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06-23-2011, 12:01 AMElexiaWhat she was referring to was how Tanaka explicitly stated that he designed FFXI to be what they couldn't do with FFIII due to technology limitations. He was inspired by EQ and felt that FFIII would be the perfect candidate for an online FF title. FFII comes into play by the weapon system used in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reika
There's so much hate and loathing for FFXI (especially from those who never played it or played it for a small period of time) yet it not only paid for this mess of a project, it's literally what kept Square's games rolling in for more than 5 years. XI isn't a demon, it's actually how XIV should have been made on the basic of levels. -
06-23-2011, 12:07 AMCarzilla
wow now people want an ffxi clone. you guys dont know what u want. I have wanted them to build off of FFXI from the begining though lol. SE JUST "BUILD OFF OF" FFXI cuz thats what you should of done from the start. buffs, classes & spells just transfer em over and tweak them to your new combat system. xiv should not be a clone it should be an advancement from xi Which is why yu build off of your previous title..
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06-23-2011, 12:13 AMReikadude, people have wanted a XI clone since day 1....Quote:
Originally Posted by Carzilla
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06-23-2011, 12:21 AMElexia
Only those who hate FFXI (for whatever reason) assume people want a FFXI clone when infact most everyone who wants a "FFXI-2" have specifically stated they're talking about building on the basics it laid down, you know like how FFVI built on FFV, IV, III, II and I?
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06-23-2011, 12:23 AMRydinI agree... FFXI was awesome... but the numbers (While profitable) weren't enough for SE... Maybe that was their biggest mistake... but they saw offline FF titles doing 6 to 10 million each and saw FFXI expansions doing a quarter mill at best....Quote:
Originally Posted by Elexia
I know, I know... Offline and online are different
But they also saw Warcraft III (an offline game) do 3.5 mill but then the online game of the franchise (WoW) Did 12 million... with absolutely no Japanese playerbase...
Yes, SE failed to learn anything from FFXI.... But I can see what they were thinking...
SE is the Republican party and FFXI is like their George Bush.... You have to distance yourself from him because his approval rating was so low....
And therein lies the problem... SE used the same races from FFXI.... and in almost every other facet... in all the interviews.. they explicitly said "This game is definitely not FFXI" as if to say "OK, millions of people can buy it now"
What they failed to realize is that FFXI didn't fail on its own merit....
It was ahead of its time... At a time when Online games were still for the basement nerds...
It used a hard drive that no one owned and the PS2 Slim didn't even support
But there were parts of FFXI that did turn people away....
FFXI-2 would do even less numbers than the original no matter how good it looked (See WoW: Cataclysm)
Before you flame me... I agree FFXI was revolutionary and many many things should have been, if not carried directly over, they at least should have been used to inspire the systems and mechanics of this game...
The 3 major selling points of 11 were that it was story driven... that it had MANY NM's... and that it had so much to do that you just couldn't get it all done, that was made up of end game areas that were made to be extremely repeatable... challenging and fun
Peoples main gripe (I swear to God if someone mentions an AH, which I'm neither for or against, I just think it wont save or sink this game and is not a priority so shut your mouth) is why certain features are missing in this game... when FFXi had really functional ways of doing them....
Like to attack the same MOB as a party member, there should be an easier way to do this, and it just so happens that FFXI had /assist....
So I understand where people are coming from when they say copy FFXI.. I just think the wording of that puts a lot of people off... because copy means clone....
Yes YOU can say you'd play FFXI-2 but SE is not pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into a 500,000 max player base.... deal with it -
06-23-2011, 12:24 AMReikaHave you seen the extremely humorous yet strangely serious posts about 'make this like this and this like this' and it was all details from FFXI? I'm pretty sure they are all buried under hundreds of different threads by now.Quote:
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06-23-2011, 12:26 AMRydinQuote:
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06-23-2011, 12:42 AMMimmo
IMO They should've built XIV off of XI. I have no doubt about that. People that play WoW are gonna expect a WoW2 that resembles the first one. FFXI had something original, they had to use that game as the base and build it up from there.
Many people are saying that FFXIV has so much potential, but i just dont see it.
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06-23-2011, 12:46 AMRydinThats a matter of opinion... but from a business standpoint it definitely had (or has?!?!?) potential to make a lot of money....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimmo
FFXIV "COULD" do 1 mill in Japan alone.... or maybe "Could have" and the opportunity is gone...
The ultimate point is a really good FF MMO could do millions in subs... I like FFXi but an FFXI-2 absolutely could not... Deal with it -
06-23-2011, 01:04 AMReikaJust so you know, WoW2 is known as Rift.... Complete copy with only visual differences and different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimmo
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06-23-2011, 01:06 AMDemacia
This thread has reached phenomenal levels of stupidity. What a surprise.
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06-23-2011, 01:08 AMAlexiaKiddExactly I don't really see anyone asking for a direct clone but asking for ideas and system from FFXI that worked and worked well to be looked at and then made even better for FFXIV.Quote:
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Campaign is an excellent example of something that could be reworked and revamped into FFXIV for the Company system. FoV is another example of something that they should look at when looking at the Guildleve system. -
06-23-2011, 01:23 AMRydinthat is a dangerous comment Alexia....Quote:
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Only because it is a good idea that is now in peoples heads and when Companies don't add up to that, when companies amount to new sidequests only with a Garlean theme, people are going to be in a n uproar -
06-23-2011, 01:25 AMReikaI don't think anyone is against some things being brought over or similar to other MMO's. But I have seen quite a few posts that want WAY too many things to be just directly copied over, with no improvement. And a few threads that want everything to be copied over. People that want auto attack back and stamina removed instead of hoping stamina regen gets increased, basic attacks become more unique, and a haste spell gets added. people that want to completely abolish battle regimen and return skill chains and magic burst instead of improving it in terms of damage potential, effects, and ease of utilization. people that want the armory system scrapped instead of tweaking, adjusting, and adding skills/spells that make the class clearly different from the other. People that want job/subjob back, changed by moogles in a mog house of course. People that want the Market wards totally scrapped and have an AH instead because its been there and done that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd
One of the MAJOR things that screams 'I just want a copy' is people asking for the /sea all classname command back. I mean COME ON! this is an age where there are GUI's that take care of commands like that, and they want to freakin type it out over and over... at least ask for a GUI that does that and not some damn text command...... *Ahem*
What would be way better for this game if they build on what they had and make the necessary modifications. -
06-23-2011, 01:42 AMLenneth_ValkyrieI hope not...Quote:
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06-23-2011, 02:03 AMDreamer
Considering that I hated what little I played of FFXI, I really don't want FFXIV to take too much from it.
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06-23-2011, 02:05 AMAshthraWhich is why I stopped playing Rift after about a month and a half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reika
I agree with Reika for the most part, except about the AH. Seriously, Market Wards function as a crappier version of it in every possible way, at this point, so they might as well cut their losses and put in a system that doesn't reek of donkey crap. (But keep the retainers -- I like them.) Also, a search GUI would be ideal, but a text search command is better than no search command at all. I figure that's a bit more in the line of, "Could we get a way to find people please?" rather than going, "OMG MAKE THIS FFXI RIGHT NOW!" I also want chocobos, but only because I'm getting sick of running everywhere; that doesn't necessarily mean I want a FFXI clone.
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06-23-2011, 02:25 AMPlatinumstorm
Please never do this.
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06-23-2011, 02:30 AMDemaciaConsidering what little you played of FFXI, I don't really think your opinion has any weight.Quote:
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06-23-2011, 02:31 AMDemaciaThey cut their FFXIV discs and post pictures of it online. What do you expect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashthra
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06-23-2011, 02:44 AMLenneth_Valkyrie
Really..? that's like throwing money away.. .-.
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06-23-2011, 02:46 AMReikaLinkQuote:
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06-23-2011, 05:25 AMShinigamiKayla
I'm in the car speeding from the past~ But it's raining on my windshield tonight tonight~ I'm in the car speeding from the past~ But it's raining on my windshield tonight tonight~ Praying it won't last tonight~ Tonight the world is much smaller With room for only you and me~ It feels like I'm falling backwards Into how i used to be~ -twirls-
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06-23-2011, 05:34 AMReinheartHmm from what I know looking at JP side of the forums it's pretty much quiet LOL only responses, additions that gets on their are pretty well written stuff. Doesn't mean 0 trolls, I see couple in there, but nothing like this side w I'm sure all the JP trolls are trolling on 2CH more lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ashthra
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06-23-2011, 05:38 AMzaviermhigo
I hope JPs do dramatic shit, because we're not overly dramatic, besides having dramatic trolls. Honestly reading the japanese forums, we all want the same crap, so they should just give it to us. If they can't fail on Crystal tools and they way they develop things, its a slow engine, regardless of how slow/fast it takes to program things. Crystal tools sucks.
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06-23-2011, 05:55 AMAshthraScreenshots please.Quote:
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06-23-2011, 06:10 AMPetoriWasn't this on 2ch?Quote:
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06-23-2011, 06:39 AMDreamerIf market wards are removed, retainers are basically just banks, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashthra
How convenient; with such a trollish response, I feel exactly the same way.Quote:
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06-23-2011, 06:52 AMReinheartnot gonna put image link... i'll link to the site that has the image http://freeride7.blog82.fc2.com/blog-entry-1297.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Petori
I wouldn't do that to the CE version, you know this game if it does fail (AND I HOPE NOT) it can become the first FF that got the worst rating on every region market. And can also turn around and become the first MMO to go into sh** hole and come back and become one of the top 3 games in MMO history...
It's all up to the YoshiP and his dev's team work + all our feed backs supporting them (and hopefully they listen to all the good ideas we all have in here...) -
06-23-2011, 06:56 AMVerecund
They should probably just get rid of retainers and implement bank NPCs and some kind of AH. Think what an unecessary pain having all those retainers standing around is on the server load :P
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06-23-2011, 07:03 AMReikaAh thank you for the link. What a horrible thing to do to a cd!.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinheart
I think FFXIV will improve. It wasn't really all that bad to me really, just needs some improvements and additions. Too bad the 'improvements' involve scrapping just about every aspect of the current systems, thanks to us... They could have done it without hitting the revert button, but that is what I see happening now. So don't worry OP, things will start to feel like FFXI over time. -
06-23-2011, 07:06 AMRydinWhy does it have to be called an AH... even if they do away with the market wards.... they could go to menu/counter based purchasing....Quote:
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06-23-2011, 07:33 AMSuiriekoQuote:
Considering that I hated what little I played of FFXI, I really don't want FFXIV to take too much from it.
You really don't even know what made FFXI actually good and successful as opposed to how poorly FFXIV started. Based on what you said, I can probably guess that you more than likely have never leveled a job past 20 to maybe 25, Never even unlock subjobs. You've barely even begun to scratch the very tip of the iceberg of what made FFXI actually enjoyable and fun. How am I doing so far?
Personally, I rather have FFXIV feel like FFXIV and not like "FFXI-2" as people have put it, however, this isn't an excuse to not take some features of what made FFXI actually good and enjoyable. Of course there are some features in FFXI that I hope to never see in FFXIV.
Bottomline is: Outside of the similarities between the races between the two games, SquareEnix made FFXIV as different as possible from FFXI, that many of the features in FFXIV made this blatantly obvious that it's insane. You can have a lot of the features FFXI, and it will still be a different game.
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06-23-2011, 07:52 AMElexiaHonestly..given how you said "what little I played of FFXI" is like me saying what little of Zelda OoT I played I disliked the entire game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
Here's the basics that FFXI did that XIV should have had at launch if they chose to build off of it:
Linkshell system - Commands including /lsmes. Pearl shading, so while there will be repeats, it at least at customizable coloring.
Search system - You can have a search comment with color coding based on categories.
/sea all (level range/job/names etc) type of searching
Party Flag.
Group Grinding - love it or hate it, even with solo natured games there has to be a reason to group and the grouping reason in XIV is very minimal.
Content Concepts - Guildleves are basically lesser forms of Field of Valor/Grounds of Valor. They're similar but they could have complimented it by adding in a Campaign or Assault type system which could be tied to fame which could unlock more content.
Working Job system - Again it's up to preference, but the job system worked very well. The only "imbalance" was the fact everyone would want to flock to what puts out the highest damage, which is true for every MMO in existence.
Interface - Client side goodness.
World/Lore/Atmosphere - XIV has a fair bit of it but you can't deny...well you said you barely played it so you probably can deny that it has great atmosphere, lore and world.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUHC-uoDrLE
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06-23-2011, 09:01 AMSeikninkuruYou can still play it; why don't you head on over there.Quote:
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06-23-2011, 09:29 AMRinLOn one side I like this idea, and on another I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnar
I understandthe desire to simply take everything good from eleven and place it in this game to improve it. If you think about it though, that's pretty much a band-aid fix. The only reason it is suggested is because players are so disappointed with this newest iteration in the Final Fantasy series.
I personally would like for the game to be shut down for a year or two. I do not mean to offend The players still enjoying it (and many are), but the best way to address this failed launch is to try again. Apologize, throw as much PR on the situation as you can, but shut things down.
Once the game is offline your teams can begin bringing this game up to where it needs to be. Have everyone on the current Dev team jump on eleven and form your own LS, then play together to max level. Every night have everyone write at least one unique thing they enjoyed. Use those experiences as a sort of storyboard to build this newest Final Fantasy with.
By doing this SE will be able to build something that is fun for the majority of it's players. Hundreds of quests that tie into the lore of his universe, reputation with your chosen nation, classes that actually feel unique, more fearsome NM's, a better economy. Pretty much a better game in every way, and all released at once as it should have been so players have something to do all the time.
This is what I think anyhow. This games kind of like an open wound right now, and keeping it open to the world while trying to fix things is just causing it to fester. Poor example, possibly, but you get what I mean. -
06-23-2011, 10:15 AMVischThis is the greatest post ever. I love you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnar
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06-23-2011, 01:46 PMDreamerNo. I don't play a game 'to get to the good parts.' If a game isn't engaging and entertaining from the start, it fails as a game, period. If I've reached level 20 and haven't been enjoying it, I'm not going to force myself to continue playing it just because it may start getting better. I'm playing FFXIV right now because for all of its flaws, I find it to be enjoyable enough that I want to continue playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suirieko
The same was true for WoW, Aion, LotRO, and City of Heroes. In all of those games I found the game fun from the start, not just after I'd invested a certain amount of time into it. WoW had its enchanting world and well-designed everything. Aion had its flight mechanics and cuteness. LotRO had its Tolkienesque world and storytelling. City of Heroes had a combat system more fun than any MMORPG I've played.
FFXIV a lot of interesting ideas, potential, a main storyline that I've enjoyed so far, and a battle-system that I really liked. Unfortunately, they seem set on removing most of the things that I do enjoy about the game.
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06-23-2011, 02:20 PMSeifQuote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
Honestly how dumb can a comment be?
Because changing the name to AH would be a massive card to market XIV to those who have left the game! What do YOU care if they do?
Personally it's all the same to me as long as I don't need to enter the MW system ever again but I DO care about the almost non existent player-base this game has for a free to play game.