Lets go everywhere instantly lololol

Restrict teleporting to be from one crystal to another only, and you can only teleport to camps you have already been to. XIV was ridiculous in that it let you teleport to anywhere at any time on any job, and you could even teleport other people to camps they have never been to which is straight-up hax.

Aetheryte camps and nodes were pretty damn commonplace in XIV so this shouldn't be an issue for anyone. I really feel this is such an easy compromise but don't see other people saying it too often. Could even keep the return option around but restrict it to a 1 hour cooldown or something.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

Instant kill boss button because I don't have time to keep trying if I lose the first time. Nobody else has to use it though, just the people who don't have time like me. There will also be a 100% drop rate button as well. Actually when I'm making my character there will be a 100% Progress finished option that i will choose, log in and log out because I finished the game in like 10 minutes (while creating my character). Damn, I'll have this game finished within the 30 day trial period! This will be one less thing to take up my precious time!

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Let's be real here. It's not like choosing between using teleportation or not goes to this kind of extreme. It's a difference in x amount minutes, which you may or may not have depending on the circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Uriahnool

Playing ffxi for a short while, I really do appreciate not being able to teleport anywhere at any time. It's like having a cheat in the game. Sure it's fun to be able to have god-like skills and instantly be in any far corner of the map at any time, but it takes away the depth to the game and cheapens the experience of travel. I think airships, mounts and boats should be enough for the majority of travel in game. If an NPC (such as a moogle in town) had the ability to offer teleports, that would even be OK.

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Once you've been playing FFXI for several years, can you really tell me you don't want to use shortcuts where applicable? I use outpost warps everyday, because frankly, I'm not going to ride/walk from Jeuno or San d'Oria to Kuftal Tunnel everyday. It'd take me an hour just to get to camp, when sometimes that's all the time I have to play. Outpost Warp to Vollbow > boom, I'm at camp within 5 minutes.

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Originally Posted by IloveYouPumpkin

Teleporting is currently sad and lame. I don't mind teleporting sometimes but when it gets to the point that you're teleporting everywhere it puts a cheap feeling to everything. The most important thing becomes getting from A to B while everything in between is just an obstacle. Instant action! It gets dull quickly and you don't get that feeling you'd get with the last generation of MMO's which is essential to this type of game . I'd prefer more transportation like zepplins, trains and boats with mini-games you can do while traveling. Anything to not turn it into a tele-fest. It should be limited.. like a certain class can do it. If the maps are interesting people will want to go to them instead of skipping everything along the way.

In my opinion.

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First of all, I'd like to say that having to pay other higher-level people in Jeuno for teleports in FF11 (along with random amounts to ride chocobos) was one of the many reasons I didn't stick with the game... along with the fact that it just took FOREVER to get anywhere or do anything significant, especially if some random goblin or something aggro'd you and then you'd have to run ALL THE WAY TO ANOTHER ZONE to get it off you before it killed you, or else hope someone was kind enough to pull it off you, or raise you after you died, because otherwise you'd have to repeat the whole process over again. :mad: Sorry, but I found that very frustrating starting out, although I admit, this was several years back (2007, 2008-ish?) and I was used to playing PSU at the time where the action was a lot faster and you could literally zerg through everything, lol...

Most games I see nowadays that use large maps will let you warp back to certain places after you've already been there, for convenience's sake. FF14 did this already, but I think it would be better if people who already had access to the nodes couldn't teleport other people who didn't have them until they had actually walked/rode out there themselves. This would make players have to explore areas first, instead of being able to effectively skip to wherever they wanted. Only being able to teleport between nodes could also work.

After that, there needs to be enough incentive to STAY in certain areas: NM's, dungeons, numerous quests, important NPC's, shops that provide unique items you can't find anywhere else in the game, etc.

It would also help TREMENDOUSLY to see stuff like level-sync and merit points come back, so players of any level would still have reason to play together without feeling like the lower-level players are holding back the higher-level ones. It sucked that most of the good content of FF14 was all endgame Lv45+ stuff. If a friend of mine JUST started out in the game, the only real thing we could do together is power-level him - meaning I wouldn't get much out of it gameplay-wise, and all he'd have to do is stand there and derp out, not properly learning how to play his job... :rolleyes:

Another thing Yoshida's team could do is make certain areas of the game only accessible through specific mounts, or with airships, magitek armor, boats, etc. Goobbues could smash through certain rock walls to reveal hidden caves, coeurls could electrify and power generators for machinery, boats could travel to remote islands... remember using gold chocobos in games like FF7 and FF9 to get to hidden areas and find treasure? There's SO MUCH they could do with this.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

I really don't see the problem with teleports if you've been to the destination once. Sometimes you just don't have the time to ride chocoback everywhere. As another poster put it, a group isn't going to want to wait for you in front of a dungeon while you're choco'ing from wherever the hell you are. As far as I'm concerned, the anima system pre-Hamlet was limiting enough that you had to ration it out, else you'd blow through it all and you would be forced to travel by land.

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Well said. I still think that they could do away with anima if they followed what I posted above.

Everyone plays for their own reasons and enjoys different things, but traveling around in an MMO is the most boring part to me. Not exploring- I like exploring. But, when I'm just trying to get a quest done and I have to go halfway across the map, across lands I've already explored and know by heart, that's a tedious timesink for me.

I'm 100% fine with teleportation being the main system of transport- since it's already limited based on anima. Plus, we'll have to explore to fill in all the maps and get the crystals in XIV, so I'll have to walk all over the map at least once.

Please dont restrict or remove teleporting in anyway.

I like it, I dont have time to spend an hour travelling across a map, especially when I might need to do it every day and after the 50th time it just isnt that splended and exciting anymore.

Teleporting improves the game for me and removes a massive and absolute waste of a timesink that is "Travelling."

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Originally Posted by UmJammerSully

Restrict teleporting to be from one crystal to another only

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This for me.

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Restrict teleporting to be from one crystal to another only, and you can only teleport to camps you have already been to. XIV was ridiculous in that it let you teleport to anywhere at any time on any job, and you could even teleport other people to camps they have never been to which is straight-up hax.

Aetheryte camps and nodes were pretty damn commonplace in XIV so this shouldn't be an issue for anyone. I really feel this is such an easy compromise but don't see other people saying it too often. Could even keep the return option around but restrict it to a 1 hour cooldown or something.

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I like that idea - I know I've mentioned it like 3 times now but seriously, WoW's system.

The flying network:
- must start at a node (not hoping to a node from the middle of no where)
- costs a currency that you have the option of not depleting (gold, while in SE system anima you can just run out and be screwed)
- takes a small amount of time to encourage scale of the world

You can do all of that in SE system too.
The last one would be the weirdest though - I think you may have to create an overworld map (like airships in classic FF and FFXI) and then have your character travel up out of the zone into the overworld and then down out of the overworld into the zone. Could have your character go through zone to zone but the loading screen 3 times in a row might be a bit abrasive.


Currently WoW has a more hardcore (rpg"y") travel system then FFXIV.. lol!

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I like that idea - I know I've mentioned it like 3 times now but seriously, WoW's system.

The flying network:
- must start at a node (not hoping to a node from the middle of no where)
- costs a currency that you have the option of not depleting (gold, while in SE system anima you can just run out and be screwed)
- takes a small amount of time to encourage scale of the world

You can do all of that in SE system too.
The last one would be the weirdest though - I think you may have to create an overworld map (like airships in classic FF and FFXI) and then have your character travel up out of the zone into the overworld and then down out of the overworld into the zone. Could have your character go through zone to zone but the loading screen 3 times in a row might be a bit abrasive.


Currently WoW has a more hardcore (rpg"y") travel system then FFXIV.. lol!

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This idea only encourages blood port. So, what's the different between returning to my home point and teleporting from that point and teleporting from the middle of no where? I don't understand this idea...

Oh look, I'm going to kill myself so I can teleport to that crystal I set as hp, so I can teleport to another crystal. DUMB!!!

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I like that idea - I know I've mentioned it like 3 times now but seriously, WoW's system.

The flying network:
- must start at a node (not hoping to a node from the middle of no where)
- costs a currency that you have the option of not depleting (gold, while in SE system anima you can just run out and be screwed)
- takes a small amount of time to encourage scale of the world

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I've made my feelings on XI's "exploration/traveling" in the other 50 bazillion threads with this EXACT SAME topic...

But I just wanted to comment on the Flight Paths mentioned here... They've changed... a lot.

you no longer have to travel to the nodes to get them anymore, they unlock with level progression usually in a range of 10 lvls above you, you CAN unlock them on your own, but you'll be severely under leveled.

Basic riding has dropped to lvl 20 and the skill and a mount will cost about 10 gold, which you should have well over a 100g at lvl 20 with they rewards post Cata quests give out, and flying mounts are usable in both Outlands and the Old Kingdom at lvl 60 and that will only run you ~400g. Even Druid flight forms are completely free now.

basically these days, with low lvl riding, hearthstones and warp enchants, and flying, the Flight Paths are an disused and archaic vestige of Vanilla release that these days may as well be removed and I bet no one would really notice.


edit: oh yeah, and one of the two earliest guild perks increase flight path speeds by up to 25% and their speed was already increased in an earlier patch...

you need to explore IMO, the fact that you couldnt get to the gates but you could get to the camps with help kinda made you explore a little. I hope this stays. It would be to easy to just teleport around (meaning get teleported by someone so you dont have to walk). I guess some of us are lazy.

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This idea only encourages blood port. So, what's the different between returning to my home point and teleporting from that point and teleporting from the middle of no where? I don't understand this idea...

Oh look, I'm going to kill myself so I can teleport to that crystal I set as hp, so I can teleport to another crystal. DUMB!!!

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You can already blood port no difference.

@Pandastirfry ah thanks for the update, I played up to where they started to get crazy with expansions lol

yep. waiting 15 minutes for the ferry only to miss it, then wait another 20 min to finally get on. then 15 mins on the ferry itself. a one hour process just to get somewhere to even *begin* to be productive. time of my life. can't wait to do it again.

sounds great, sign me up.

@ Orophin - I played FFXI for like 9 years and the traveling system in that game doesn't bother me. It doesn't take me an hour to get anywhere. I didn't even do the supply quests so I cant OP warp and I'm still able to travel without wasting hours. Traveling anywhere you want within minutes is absurd. Now earning the right to travel quicker is the right way to go, such as.. earning a chocobo license, earning an airship pass, earning the right to OP warp, earning the teleport scrolls to teleport as a whitemage to a crystal you have visited before. Paying for a ferry, paying another whm to teleport you to a crystal you have been before.

If you don't have more then an hour, the simple fact is... some games are not for everyone.

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Originally Posted by fusional

yep. waiting 15 minutes for the ferry only to miss it, then wait another 20 min to finally get on. then 15 mins on the ferry itself. a one hour process just to get somewhere to even *begin* to be productive. time of my life. can't wait to do it again.

sounds great, sign me up.

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That, and the times where monsters randomly attack the ship, and some random idiot/asshole pulls them into the cabin where everyone's trying to stay away from them, and then people arrive dead or get glitched off the map in transit... I've heard the stories. :rolleyes:

Granted , I'm not opposed to seeing scenarios like that again in FF14, but it would need to be a lot less annoying.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

If you don't have more then an hour, the simple fact is... some games are not for everyone.

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not the point at all. i generally always have more than an hour to sit down and play, but i'm trying to be productive. look at my lodestone history. if i'm logging on, i'm doing things. i want my time to be spent working toward things, not waiting around or traveling.

it was the same in xi. i participated in actual HNMLS endgame. we had stuff to do, places to be. we didn't just sit around roleplaying or chatting or shouting stupidity in jeuno. part of the challenge was getting where you needed to be in time to claim, sure, but that should only go so far. if you want chocobos to be the main source of travel, make them faster (xiv chocos have a good speed, better than xi). if you don't want to teleport everywhere, have more quick travel options and make them faster (ie: more airship docks, less wait time in between flights/boats, flight paths like WoW).

seems like the only people complaining about anima are the people who have a lot of it and think this translates to it being infinite, and assume everyone else has the same problem. some of us are productive. we run low on anima. it becomes a resource we have to carefully manage. the system is fine and if anything the only real tweak that should've been made was to make it like xi where you needed to corresponding gate crystal before you could teleport or be teleported there.

playing a game for X number of years is irrelevant. two people can play a game for wildly different time periods and still accomplish roughly the same amount of stuff. some people may get quite a lot more done in quite a lot less time. making travel too much of a hassle creates an artificial roadblock for productivity. and we already tried that in 1.0 with the stamina and fatigue systems. they didn't work. you can't bottleneck productivity like that in a game people pay to play.

and besides, you think teleporting around in this game is bad? play gw2 for a day. that's *literally the only method of travel* there.

anyway in the end, throwing out a phrase like "some games are not for everyone" can easily backfire. maybe this game isn't for you?

If I had a dollar for everytime I walked up to the airship only to be glitched out of it and watch it sail off......

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not the point at all. i generally always have more than an hour to sit down and play, but i'm trying to be productive. look at my lodestone history. if i'm logging on, i'm doing things. i want my time to be spent working toward things, not waiting around or traveling.

it was the same in xi. i participated in actual HNMLS endgame. we had stuff to do, places to be. we didn't just sit around roleplaying or chatting or shouting stupidity in jeuno. part of the challenge was getting where you needed to be in time to claim, sure, but that should only go so far. if you want chocobos to be the main source of travel, make them faster (xiv chocos have a good speed, better than xi). if you don't want to teleport everywhere, have more quick travel options and make them faster (ie: more airship docks, less wait time in between flights/boats, flight paths like WoW).

seems like the only people complaining about anima are the people who have a lot of it and think this translates to it being infinite, and assume everyone else has the same problem. some of us are productive. we run low on anima. it becomes a resource we have to carefully manage. the system is fine and if anything the only real tweak that should've been made was to make it like xi where you needed to corresponding gate crystal before you could teleport or be teleported there.

playing a game for X number of years is irrelevant. two people can play a game for wildly different time periods and still accomplish roughly the same amount of stuff. some people may get quite a lot more done in quite a lot less time. making travel too much of a hassle creates an artificial roadblock for productivity. and we already tried that in 1.0 with the stamina and fatigue systems. they didn't work. you can't bottleneck productivity like that in a game people pay to play.

and besides, you think teleporting around in this game is bad? play gw2 for a day. that's *literally the only method of travel* there.

anyway in the end, throwing out a phrase like "some games are not for everyone" can easily backfire. maybe this game isn't for you?

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The sentence you quoted was in response to the Orophin. Also, the number of years I played is relevant when again.. the guy I was responded to said play for so many years and come back and tell me you don't like shortcuts.. thanks for trying though.

Traveling adds needed longevity to a game. if you want to be productive, traveling is going to add a bit more time to that productivity therefore increasing the time it takes for you to finish the game. Not everyone is as impatient as you. An MMO that can be finished within months is garbage.

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@ Orophin - I played FFXI for like 9 years and the traveling system in that game doesn't bother me. It doesn't take me an hour to get anywhere. I didn't even do the supply quests so I cant OP warp and I'm still able to travel without wasting hours. Traveling anywhere you want within minutes is absurd. Now earning the right to travel quicker is the right way to go, such as.. earning a chocobo license, earning an airship pass, earning the right to OP warp, earning the teleport scrolls to teleport as a whitemage to a crystal you have visited before. Paying for a ferry, paying another whm to teleport you to a crystal you have been before.

If you don't have more then an hour, the simple fact is... some games are not for everyone.

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Apparently you haven't been playing the game for the last year, in FFXI now, the Voidwatch system allows you to teleport to quite a number of places instantly.

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Originally Posted by fusional

not the point at all. i generally always have more than an hour to sit down and play, but i'm trying to be productive. look at my lodestone history. if i'm logging on, i'm doing things. i want my time to be spent working toward things, not waiting around or traveling.

it was the same in xi. i participated in actual HNMLS endgame. we had stuff to do, places to be. we didn't just sit around roleplaying or chatting or shouting stupidity in jeuno. part of the challenge was getting where you needed to be in time to claim, sure, but that should only go so far. if you want chocobos to be the main source of travel, make them faster (xiv chocos have a good speed, better than xi). if you don't want to teleport everywhere, have more quick travel options and make them faster (ie: more airship docks, less wait time in between flights/boats, flight paths like WoW).

seems like the only people complaining about anima are the people who have a lot of it and think this translates to it being infinite, and assume everyone else has the same problem. some of us are productive. we run low on anima. it becomes a resource we have to carefully manage. the system is fine and if anything the only real tweak that should've been made was to make it like xi where you needed to corresponding gate crystal before you could teleport or be teleported there.

playing a game for X number of years is irrelevant. two people can play a game for wildly different time periods and still accomplish roughly the same amount of stuff. some people may get quite a lot more done in quite a lot less time. making travel too much of a hassle creates an artificial roadblock for productivity. and we already tried that in 1.0 with the stamina and fatigue systems. they didn't work. you can't bottleneck productivity like that in a game people pay to play.

and besides, you think teleporting around in this game is bad? play gw2 for a day. that's *literally the only method of travel* there.

anyway in the end, throwing out a phrase like "some games are not for everyone" can easily backfire. maybe this game isn't for you?

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You guys keep romanticizing the travel in FFXI, but fusional's point stands. People have places to be to do the endgame content, which is exactly why they added the teleports to Voidwatch. Not many things suck more than having 15 people standing around Bismarck's planar rift having to wait on THAT ONE GUY who didn't have the clears up that point so he has to take the boat. That boat that only leaves the dock on the right route every 30 minutes.

Don't be that guy.

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Apparently you haven't been playing the game for the last year, in FFXI now, the Voidwatch system allows you to teleport to quite a number of places instantly.



You guys keep romanticizing the travel in FFXI, but fusional's point stands. People have places to be to do the endgame content, which is exactly why they added the teleports to Voidwatch. Not many things suck more than having 15 people standing around Bismarck's planar rift having to wait on THAT ONE GUY who didn't have the clears up that point so he has to take the boat. That boat that only leaves the dock on the right route every 30 minutes.

Don't be that guy.

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Don't invite that guy then, case closed. I played FFXI (with void watch) and FFXIV with people who were always behind either it be in missions, not enough anima, what have you. Doesn't matter, you don't see me on here asking for a skip missions button so that moron can stop holding us all up after joining a party hes not ready for.

your the same person who joins a PUG party and ninja drops if people aren't all there in minutes, or you lose once. Learn patience.

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If you don't have more then an hour, the simple fact is... some games are not for everyone.

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That's great, except Yoshi-P is developing this game for people from the most casual to the most hardcore, so I don't buy this argument.

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Big post and I don't mean to take away from what you said, but you hit the nail on the head. I agree completely, especially about the part with anima being a resource to manage. When I'm actively doing stuff in game, I'm using my anima. When I get down to 20-30 anima, that's when I start trying to conserve it, and that's when I'll use my chocobo more often.

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If I had a dollar for everytime I walked up to the airship only to be glitched out of it and watch it sail off......

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Still happened to me in FF14. I had impeccable timing when it came to that thing.

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The sentence you quoted was in response to the Orophin. Also, the number of years I played is relevant when again.. the guy I was responded to said play for so many years and come back and tell me you don't like shortcuts.. thanks for trying though.

Traveling adds needed longevity to a game. if you want to be productive, traveling is going to add a bit more time to that productivity therefore increasing the time it takes for you to finish the game. Not everyone is as impatient as you. An MMO that can be finished within months is garbage.

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Traveling is a horrible option for making a game seemly last longer. Next you're going to tell me FFXI was "hard" because NMs were on a 21-24 hour timer with 30 minute intervals. People seem to have trouble distinguishing between what's difficult and what's simply time-consuming. The same thinking is here with "this content will last longer if I take the slowest possible way everywhere."

If you want to ride or run around everywhere go for it, but we already have the teleporting system in game and it's here to stay.

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If you want to ride or run around everywhere go for it, but we already have the teleporting system in game and it's here to stay.

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I wouldn't be so sure about this. There was a story posted on the lodestone a while back that alluded to anima going away (or changing). Also, the maps have totally changed, there isn't a TP crystal around every corner anymore. means some walkin will have to be done.

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gonna nyan cat all around this muthafugga

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As cool as it would be to go back to a world where teleportation is very limited, how would you write that into the lore? Magical technology regressed? I'm all for far more limitations on teleportation anyway. I'm also impressed by DubstepNinja's signature. "Constant Surprises" by Little Dragon! My favourite Little Dragon song is "Place To Belong".

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As cool as it would be to go back to a world where teleportation is very limited, how would you write that into the lore? Magical technology regressed? I'm all for far more limitations on teleportation anyway. I'm also impressed by DubstepNinja's signature. "Constant Surprises" by Little Dragon! My favourite Little Dragon song is "Place To Belong".

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Atomos ate all yo aether - boom limited crystals lol.

SE check out early WoW though.. The 1.0 before hamlet anima system was pretty lame to be stuck with 0 anima, but everyone expects you to have it ready for parties. Would prefer a flight network system (can aether lifestream theme it) with travel time.

Teleporting cuts a large amount of tedium out of your gaming experience. When you just want to get there and not waste time doing it, then shortcuts really help, but they are optional; you aren't forced to take them. Conversely, any time you think you're taking the transport system for granted as an esteemed adventurer with many options at hand, start a new character and you'll realise just how amazing expedient travel is.

I will agree though that it really should require you to visit the place before you can teleport or be teleported to it. Anything else is just far too easy and there's no sense of accomplishment whatsoever.

It also makes sense to offer improved transport options as rewards; the more effort put in, the easier it is to get around. Even with the FFXI Voidwatch system that some people have mentioned, the majority of locations you could teleport to had to be earned through content progression. They certainly weren't gifted to us.

In regards to Guasta_Ryets' comment regarding Eorzea's lore: It actually makes more sense if it's limited by several factors and not just a free-for-all where you're able to teleport anywhere, anytime, instantly and for hardly any effort. To a large degree, Square-Enix have to ignore lore in these matters since it goes directly against gameplay if they force you to run or ride everywhere. Since it never got explicitly detailed how the aethernet worked in v1, they can get away with retconning it for ARR...

I'd be OK with a system that only allows travel between crystals and not just from anywhere. Maybe require an Aetherite Pass or a small fee to do so? I understand that at end-game telephoning should be something possible, especially when you've been everywhere 500 times - but limiting it to people who actually earned that luxury would be far better than any new player to be able to do the same.

To me, teleporting in 1.0 seems to be a feature left over from beta testing that should have been re-worked or removed once everything was set in place. When we first started and there were no airships and no chocobos, I could see where having teleporting saved the gameplay a bit. But when a game is designed to incorporate lore and be immmersive, to see all the airships in the sky and ships at the docks and say "lol, i'm just going to magically appear on the other side of the ocean instead." That ruins the experience.

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yep. waiting 15 minutes for the ferry only to miss it, then wait another 20 min to finally get on. then 15 mins on the ferry itself. a one hour process just to get somewhere to even *begin* to be productive. time of my life. can't wait to do it again.

sounds great, sign me up.

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With an airship, outpost warp or Crag/Crystal warp, you could bypass the ferry ride.

Also bear in mind that the ferry was great for people who enjoyed and/or provided for their character via fishing, so it's not like it was just "pointless time wasting". Even when not fishing, I found it perfect to take a t/o, hit the rest-room, get something to eat/drink, etc.

Of course, I wasn't the "go go go, run run run" type of player. I was punctual and where I needed to be when I needed to be there for group events. And even with XI's travel system, I never saw a problem with it. Just organize yourself accordingly.

I personally think XI's system was fine.

You start off with exactly as much "mobility" as you need - your two legs. By the time you're ready for a chocobo is when you'll be starting to do more traveling. That first trek to Jeuno is a milestone for every player. It's a challenge and a pretty scary trip, which makes successfully arriving all the more exciting and satisfying. Getting your chocobo is an awesome reward as you are able to instantly see the difference it makes. Your mobility is substantially increased.

Next up is the airship pass, which also comes at just about the right time as you're starting to travel between nations a lot more.

And of course, along the way you have your Crag crystals, outpost warps and staging points out in Aht Urghan. I know they've added even more since then. The point is, each of those has to be earned/unlocked before they can be used, and I think that's exactly the way it should be.

Anything that was of value or use to your character in XI required some effort and/or time to acquire, transportation included. I always enjoyed that aspect of it.

The only effort required is to unlock those things for the first time. After that, it's a matter of getting the teleport out there, or using whatever means are available. Transportation in XI was extremely flexible and efficient after a while.

I don't understand what issue people would have with that kind of a setup - unless they really just want everything handed to them for simply showing up.

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Since it never got explicitly detailed how the aethernet worked in v1, they can get away with retconning it for ARR...

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http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...ews/num06.html

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Thats not very detailed lol - and Atomos sucking the aether from the crystals.. it could be changed without a retcon.

If they ever do plan on adding airship (sky expansion) I really hope aethergates gets bumped up to a end game reward or gets turned into a flight path system.

"Want to ride in my airship???"
"Nah, Ill wait for you at location - I'm going to flash there".

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Lots of good stuff

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This, everything you said right there +1

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Thats not very detailed lol

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Originally Posted by Jacien

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Loool

I meant its not detailed enough that the person you were quoting was talking about recalling and changing information.

+1 though XD

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

It's more this faux dilemma of "I don't have the time I used to!" which is really just a cover up for "I'm impatient and want my games to be like a vending machine where I can get whatever I want, where ever I want, when ever I want!"

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I couldn't press the like button any harder, it broke.

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Originally Posted by Inzoum

OH MY GOD GUYS

I just had this incredible idea!

If you feel teleporting makes it a little too easy to get from point A to point B, don't use it!

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Holy skritt! This guy killed this pointless thread with common sense!

More options for everyone! Person A wants to teleport to destination to deliver his levequest shipment while person B wants to take the scenic route on chocoback!

Win, win, right?

i like the tele system at later stages,

sure begin the game explore all the maps, have a feel of the world your in, but as a MMO player who likes sticking with a game for years time, its gonna get a bit old Teleporting would be better at that point.

imo make it very hard at the start, including a few challenges, and make it easier at later max levels, by then i think theres allot more to do with peoples limited time, End game, Farming, pvp, or w/e content there is, and theres gonna be a good some.

so therers a good side to being able to teleport easily, more time ingame to manage your Char and all that bigger picture stuff.. when u want to explore by all means !

^^)b

Think I did the math once on how much time I wasted playing XI strictly due to traveling just for shits, not playing the game itself. Some can argue playing a game is a waste of time since you're technically not doing anything productive IRL but I gotta camp those 3am Faf's for that ridil man. Shits important :D haha.

But ya it came out to just over a couple months in a span of 5years literally gone just traveling from point a to point b. Seeing the same shit I've seen countless times.

I'm cool with not having to do that again, I'd rather have that time wasted on fighting stuff like odin, revived Midgardsormr (c'mon think about it Yoshi-P ^^), or bahamut(hopefully? :D)

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Originally Posted by wind

Think I did the math once on how much time I wasted playing XI strictly due to traveling just for shits, not playing the game itself. Some can argue playing a game is a waste of time since you're technically not doing anything productive IRL but I gotta camp those 3am Faf's for that ridil man. Shits important :D haha.

But ya it came out to just over a couple months in a span of 5years literally gone just traveling from point a to point b. Seeing the same shit I've seen countless times.

I'm cool with not having to do that again, I'd rather have that time wasted on fighting stuff like odin, revived Midgardsormr (c'mon think about it Yoshi-P ^^), or bahamut(hopefully? :D)

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What this guy said! :D

oh i'm sorry, did you want to walk around the whole entire land like we did pre chocobo patch? feel free......

IlikeYouIloveYouPumpkin

It's a shame people don't seem interested unless it involves killing something these days.

I think people are missing a point... The OP wasn't bashing teleporting as a whole, just the extreme excess of teleporting. Everyone teleports everywhere at any time. There IS no exploration, no world immersion, no sense of grandeur when everyone on the entire server just 'bloop bloop bloops' everywhere. I can see how teleporting to far-off destinations is useful, but seeing shit like people teleporting from Ul'dah to Camp Black Brush; I mean, come on. Say perhaps you're off to hunt Dodore. There's no build-up or suspense in just teleporting 15 metres away and killing it. Enjoy yourself, immerse yourself wholly into the experience by running via Camp Crimson Bark or something, make it feel like a real hunt. This whole instant gratification scheme is a real game-killer, because it gets old fast. It's similar to having a big bad boss fall in 2 hits. Instant loot gratification, zero experience gratification.