Its a shame Paladins have to be tanks. I understand.

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As far as I know, its a bannable offense and I think SE should crack down on this behaviour considerably. There is a reason its banned and you shouldn't ignore rules just because you personally don't like them.

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They cannot, as I said.

Scanning peoples PCs is illegal, anti cheat is something Yoshida is against (Invasion of privacy). It's used to help raid teams seek their peeps for Savage/Ultimate raids, and it's really helpful to cut down traps.

Why must you(and every other huff n puffer) infer to wow players as the culprit? Swathes of people can and will be like that in general.

I've had parties that do the exact opposite, the healer usually gets their panties bunched up when I try to wall to wall... I'm like okay and pull less.

Maybe you should try to communicate you're not comfortable pulling wall2wall/large packs of mobs. Most can understand. Those that can't, well... no use trying to placate everyone.

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As far as I know, its a bannable offense and I think SE should crack down on this behaviour considerably. There is a reason its banned and you shouldn't ignore rules just because you personally don't like them.

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The only way it's bannable if the person using a parser gets a big inflated head and begins harassing people-- that becomes a punishable offense. Otherwise it's not that big an issue.

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So you ran into some bad eggs who called you nasty names. Seems like you're extrapolating from this and using the very convenient toxic WOW player boogeyman to blame an entire community. As others have said before, dungeons are a collaborative effort. If the other players aren't willing to accommodate you - just leave. You don't have to grit your teeth, moaning about the toxic players under your breath while willfully suffering in the dungeon. Take the penalty (and you have 3 strikes, I find it hard to believe that all 3 attempts will be a failure) and try again. But at the end of the day, understand that single pulling will always be less efficient (and frowned upon) compared to wall to wall pulls. Perhaps you should try running trusts instead if you want to go at your own pace, the NPCs certainly won't mind.

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I can just imagine AI Alisaie giving lip if your WoL is a tank and you're not wall to wall pulling lol

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I can just imagine AI Alisaie giving lip if your WoL is a tank and you're not wall to wall pulling lol

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I'd be fine with that if she finally puts her aoe spells on her hotbars.

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So I'm experiencing what it is like to be a tank and I have to say to all the tanks out there;

"I am sorry but you must have the patience of a saint"

Honestly, it is probably the role that gets the most abuse in the game. If you want to go slower because you are still learning how to tank and interrupt abilities, you get yelled at by DPS.

If you want to pull one group at a time, you get yelled at...

Its such a toxic experience, I am not surprised the Roulette wants tanks most of the time.

I wanted to level a Paladin because they have the coolest armour (In my opinion) but the toxic nature of tanking has REALLY put me off levelling one. The toxicity in this game has made a massive spike since we started getting a huge influx of WoW refugees here. Coincidence...?

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Do trusts and FATEs or Bozja. There are options if you want a Job to 90 but don't want to play with others.

I rarely get abused as a tank and when it does happen it's always a freaking healer who wants to rescue me into another pull because they think I've stopped when I'm just trying to establish aggro on the pack I was on..that's the only time I will /leaveinstance. I will never single pull an entire dungeon UNLESS the healer/dps is horrendously bad - and that is also rare.

This is contrast to when I'm a healer though. Most tanks have a field day with me and their 0 CD use or pulling more than their bodies can handle.

Oh ffs.

I don't even know why people call them "single pulls".
They are half pulls.
99% of people pull at least 2 packs at a time; there are almost always only 2 packs available. THOSE are the "pulls".

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The toxicity in this game has made a massive spike since we started getting a huge influx of WoW refugees here. Coincidence...?

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The only toxicity that spikes, are stupid comments like this.

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No, that is simply not true. No other role has you babysitting a bunch of children that are constantly whining for you to "go faster" which heavily increases your chances to make mistakes. As a healer main, I have never told my tank to pull more then they feel capable of just to get the dungeon finished a couple minutes faster. It is done, when its done and I wish the DPS had the same maturity.

This is the problem when we've had an influx of the WoW playerbase (which tends to be younger then the core FFXIV playerbase). Its why this game had such a wonderful community for so much longer as the game appealed to an older, more mature playerbase.

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Ding, ding, wrong. Big pools have been around since ARR, WoW people had nothing to do with it.

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As far as I know, its a bannable offense and I think SE should crack down on this behaviour considerably. There is a reason its banned and you shouldn't ignore rules just because you personally don't like them.

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It's always the people who don't consistently raid who have this genuinely awful take. I've yet to run across someone who takes the scene seriously who's anti-parse.

If I can wall pull, I wall pull. The only exception is if the healer says they're new and want to take it slow, and then I graciously acquiesce to the request and pull 2 groups max. It's boring not to pull 2+ packs at all times.

I love the more hair raising pulls in general.

If the damage seems very slow or the healer seems to be struggling, I dial back on the pulls, paying mind to the fact that my party members might be new, still learning their abilities, or struggling. Perhaps not wearing the best gear. I don't like doing this, but I don't complain.

All I can say about your problem is that you can't expect to drive half the speed of traffic and get legislation changed, even if the problem is that your car can't go faster.

Sorry, but if you're pulling single packs you're not even really tanking.
And you're making the experience miserable for other 3 persons. Who, even if polite and not saying anything about it, will be dying inside and just wish they hadn't queued.

It's not even a safer way to pull, unless it's a particularly pesky dungeon with undergeared/inexperienced tank or healer (ex stone vigil), simply because doing smaller pulls means doing more pulls, and doing more pulls means you won't have enough cds for all of them, and the healer will also be running out of stuff. At the end of the day it's slower, soul-draining, and more stressful.

People asking you to pull more aren't bullying you, they're basically pleading you not to be an asshole.

If you still wanna tank, take that anger you have and use to tank. The way I actually graduated from baby/lame tank to actual tank, back in the day, was some annoying healer pulling more enemies at me than I wanted. In the end I thought: oh you want me to tank it all? I'll tank it all motherfucker, I don't care if we all die, this is on you. And I tanked fine and since then I've never been scared of normal pulls anymore. Cause let's face it, pulling single packs it's not pulling, you can do that with a carbuncle in place of a tank.
Otherwise, if you don't wanna wear the grown-up-pants, you can always go with squadron or trust, or make your own likeminded group.

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Ding, ding, wrong. Big pools have been around since ARR, WoW people had nothing to do with it.

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*profusely sweating with Wanderer's Palace wall-to-wall pulls as a healer*

But seriously, I'm from JP server so I have never encountered that kind of tank. Sure there are the daredevils, and sure there are the slowpokes, and there are the "im saving all my cds for oh-sh*t moments" tank. But ultimately they are open for discussion. Small chats like "can we take it slow? I'm new" or "Tank you can pull more, I got your back" is quite magical at turning the pace of the dungeon.

On the other hand, being <insert a role here> does not entitle you to anything. As someone said in the post. It's a dungeon of 4, not 1.

Oh, and I don't think WoW's toxicity is being carried over here. And yes there have been toxic players since ARR, even XIV can't escape that. Community is nice simply because it's contagious IMO. If everyone smiles at you saying good morning when you take a morning walk, chances are you'll probably do the same after a while.

Short story. I was doing practice runs for E5S (Eden Ramuh Savage) when someone in the party said "I'm sorry my practice time is better spent without this m*r*n" and he pointed at me, then left. Few days after I practiced again and saw him in the party, then I said "I'm sorry I'm not gonna waste his time again", pointed to him, then I left. Moments later the leader PMed me saying "Hey man we're all practicing here why so much fear?". And then I explained it to him (or her idk) about the previous run. He asked if I wanted to join again, I did, and he's still there. Leader proceeds by saying "if you can't take an idiot, go to Duty Completion tag or just leave right now" and proceeds to queue. Eventually we didn't clear but he sticks around until 78 mins in.

Really? I've been leveling my first tank just recently through dungeons exclusively, and I've found nothing but nice people allowing me to pull at my own pace.

Just once I ran into one inpatient little potato that would pull ahead of me but stopped quickly after asking him to drop it. At least to me, this is heaven compared to learning how to Tank in WoW, as if learning routes, rotations and strategies wasn't grueling enough, you'd have to deal with people popping a vein the second you showed the slightest sign of inexperience and immediately dropping the group, not before popping a few gamer words for good measure.

If i could type in here some of the things I was subjected to during my 14 years of playing WoW, I'd get IP banned by SE.

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*profusely sweating with Wanderer's Palace wall-to-wall pulls as a healer*

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Oh my, that was my nightmare, as healer.
I remember when the only tomes options were WP and AK, I'd just spam AK because of how much I hated WP. (but then the anxiety of being chased was a big part of it too)

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No, that is simply not true. No other role has you babysitting a bunch of children that are constantly whining for you to "go faster" which heavily increases your chances to make mistakes. As a healer main, I have never told my tank to pull more then they feel capable of just to get the dungeon finished a couple minutes faster. It is done, when its done and I wish the DPS had the same maturity.

This is the problem when we've had an influx of the WoW playerbase (which tends to be younger then the core FFXIV playerbase). Its why this game had such a wonderful community for so much longer as the game appealed to an older, more mature playerbase.

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You guys really need to stop the extreme hate for WoW players. You really do because this stuff has been a thing since ARR. XIV players talk so much crap about WoW players and shift blame but I never see it on their forum's lmao just stop.

Also I would assume most WoW players are older. There are way more younger crowd in XIV than WoW. While WoW has a rather... questionable community at times, this game has it's fair share of bad apples way before the Exodus of WoW players so you can stop that too.

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I wanted to level a Paladin because they have the coolest armour (In my opinion) but the toxic nature of tanking has REALLY put me off levelling one. The toxicity in this game has made a massive spike since we started getting a huge influx of WoW refugees here. Coincidence...?

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I'm surprised you've put up with so much of the feedback from this thread. Anyway, I suspect part of the problem is the DC you're on. As far as I understand it, Faerie is part of the DC that has the most serious raiding groups, and on top of that, I know for sure it's the DC that got the most attention from the WoW crowd due to a certain streamer going to one of the other servers in that same DC.

If you were on Coeurl, I'd just invite you to our FC. We're a chill group that try to run things together. Running with friends is a great way to learn a new role and avoid the problems you're describing. I can even help with learning tank as I've more or less gotten stuck with having to main it even though I'd prefer RDM due to no one else I play with really being willing to run tank. Actually, they don't like running healer either most of the time, so I've had runs where I go in on PLD without a healer and we either undersize (not unsync) dungeons or go 1 tank + 3 DPS. Those runs can be tons of fun that you won't have through the normal duty finder.

Maybe once DC travel opens up, try visiting some world on one of the other two NA datacenters and see if dungeon runs are more pleasant there. With the recent news, it sounds like we won't have to wait too much longer for that feature.

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a great way to learn a new role

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humour me; what's there to learn about tanking that's new after lvl 30? ignore DPS abilities you gain, I'm talking about tank exclusive things
because the role is literally the same at lvl 16 as it is at lvl 90: pulling as much as possible, pressing your CDs and DPSing the mobs down that have aggro on you

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humour me; what's there to learn about tanking that's new after lvl 30? ignore DPS abilities you gain, I'm talking about tank exclusive things
because the role is literally the same at lvl 16 as it is at lvl 90: pulling as much as possible, pressing your CDs and DPSing the mobs down that have aggro on you

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You don't get to deal with proper tank busters or tank swap mechanics until long after lvl 30. Using immunities is another thing that you don't encounter at low lvl. While some are pretty straight forward to use, if you're a drk you might want to abstain from or delay popping Living Dead if your healer's mana is looking grim and you don't have a whm with you.

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humour me;

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No thanks.

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So I'm experiencing what it is like to be a tank and I have to say to all the tanks out there;

"I am sorry but you must have the patience of a saint"

Honestly, it is probably the role that gets the most abuse in the game. If you want to go slower because you are still learning how to tank and interrupt abilities, you get yelled at by DPS.

If you want to pull one group at a time, you get yelled at...

Its such a toxic experience, I am not surprised the Roulette wants tanks most of the time.

I wanted to level a Paladin because they have the coolest armour (In my opinion) but the toxic nature of tanking has REALLY put me off levelling one. The toxicity in this game has made a massive spike since we started getting a huge influx of WoW refugees here. Coincidence...?

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Tank main here.


You know how the popular saying goes: if nearly everyone you get grouped up with always seem to act toxic towards you... then perhaps you are the problem.
Then again, reading that extremely toxic last sentence there about WoW refugees and your super entitled "holier than thou" attitude tells me all I need to know as to what may be causing the issue.


Git gud, cease that cringe victim mentality, and actually learn how to play your job properly by starting with W2W pulls, which is considered as a tanking basic. Your time isn't any more valuable than your other three party members, so I suggest you actually learn how to tank right and stop griefing random strangers with time-wasting single pulls outside of pre-Lv. 50 content, which in turn is likely why they get fed up with you.


Or stick to healers/DPS jobs and leave tanking to those who have a mental fortitude thicker than paper and actually takes responsibility for their own short-comings/mistakes instead of playing victim. But then again, healers and DPS are equally important to the party as well, which means that attitude/mindset of yours doesn't really belong to any of the three roles.

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I'm surprised you've put up with so much of the feedback from this thread. Anyway, I suspect part of the problem is the DC you're on. As far as I understand it, Faerie is part of the DC that has the most serious raiding groups, and on top of that, I know for sure it's the DC that got the most attention from the WoW crowd due to a certain streamer going to one of the other servers in that same DC.

If you were on Coeurl, I'd just invite you to our FC. We're a chill group that try to run things together. Running with friends is a great way to learn a new role and avoid the problems you're describing. I can even help with learning tank as I've more or less gotten stuck with having to main it even though I'd prefer RDM due to no one else I play with really being willing to run tank. Actually, they don't like running healer either most of the time, so I've had runs where I go in on PLD without a healer and we either undersize (not unsync) dungeons or go 1 tank + 3 DPS. Those runs can be tons of fun that you won't have through the normal duty finder.

Maybe once DC travel opens up, try visiting some world on one of the other two NA datacenters and see if dungeon runs are more pleasant there. With the recent news, it sounds like we won't have to wait too much longer for that feature.

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Rly lol? So, now Raiding group's is problem, because people start doing big pulls in already braindead easy game? Maybe just, i don't know, start press more buttons and be better?

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As far as I know, its a bannable offense and I think SE should crack down on this behaviour considerably. There is a reason its banned and you shouldn't ignore rules just because you personally don't like them.

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There is only one scenario they will do something about it in general: When someone uses the DPS to harass someone ingame.
SQEX employees even use ACT in their private streams.

The only "big" thing they did since ARR was when the group that cleared The Epic of Alexander (Ultimate) first used a plugin called "Paisley Park"* that placed waymark presets instantly.
This was also observed by SQEX and they've disabled the ability to place waymarks in combat after that incident.

The devs watch the live streams of Savage and Ultimate races and they know people are using parsers as streamers don't make any buzz about hiding it as SQEX won't be doing anything as long it isn't used for cheating e. g. Paisley Park or harassment.

*Paisley Park is a waymark preset tool that allows you to save and load waymark presets to be used at any time without needing to do all the work manually.

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You don't get to deal with proper tank busters or tank swap mechanics until long after lvl 30. Using immunities is another thing that you don't encounter at low lvl. While some are pretty straight forward to use, if you're a drk you might want to abstain from or delay popping Living Dead if your healer's mana is looking grim and you don't have a whm with you.

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dungeons don't have tank swap mechanics, though
I'll give you the invulns, but that's mostly a DRK thing while they're just a big mitigation for the other 3 tanks

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No thanks.

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didn't expect anything else

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Rly lol? So, now Raiding group's is problem, because people start doing big pulls in already braindead easy game? Maybe just, i don't know, start press more buttons and be better?

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That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm essentially trying to point out that different datacenters have different cultures. Before world visit was a thing, it was even largely world-level cultures. The world-level cultures even survived to a degree until SE kicked the world population rebalancing into full gear which caused a massive influx of players used to large-server culture into what was previously small worlds.

Raiders play how they like to play. I've done a bit of savage raiding myself and even run a parser mostly for my own personal entertainment (and to gauge how well I'm doing) sometimes. Casual players just like to do things differently. Likewise, plenty of people here have given warnings that people on the Japanese worlds also have a completely different culture. Is there some particular reason everyone should play the same way?

I'm perfectly capable of wall to wall pulls, and I've had several instances of soloing bosses or keeping DPS alive even when the healer goes down without an RDM/SMN on the team. I just tend to hang with a crowd that often likes to just chill and take it easy and I have no problem with backing it off to 1-2 packs if that's what they want. The OP just sounds like he's on the wrong world and I was trying to give a helpful suggestion.

What more you need than defenses and AoE attacks? Tanks get to fail mechanics more often than not aswell. Sounds like a good deal to me.

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The OP just sounds like he's on the wrong world and I was trying to give a helpful suggestion.

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It means, OP need to adjust to that people, not people adjust to him.

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humour me; what's there to learn about tanking that's new after lvl 30? ignore DPS abilities you gain, I'm talking about tank exclusive things
because the role is literally the same at lvl 16 as it is at lvl 90: pulling as much as possible, pressing your CDs and DPSing the mobs down that have aggro on you

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Thinking about it there isn't much more complexity added to tanks after 30ish in 4 man content. You really want to be practicing tanking in trials and alliance raids, where you can see a bunch of tank resposibility stuff like tethers to grab or cleaves to bait. Susano normal even has those orbs that the off tank wants to eat.

No way to practice tank swaps before EX content.

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It means, OP need to adjust to that people, not people adjust to him.

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Perhaps a non-game example might highlight the point I'm trying to make better?

Suppose a far-left Democrat wanders into a far-right Republican convention. Should that person expect to change many minds? Should the Republicans expect to change that person's mind? It's not likely to go one way or the other. You also can't just sit there and declare that only one of the two parties is right. What would be the point of political parties otherwise?

No, instead that Democrat should probably just leave and go to wherever the Democrats were meeting up at.

Just pull everything OP! You can do it~

And even if we wipe, so what? We'll just try again :3

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Perhaps a non-game example might highlight the point I'm trying to make better?

Suppose a far-left Democrat wanders into a far-right Republican convention. Should that person expect to change many minds? Should the Republicans expect to change that person's mind? It's not likely to go one way or the other. You also can't just sit there and declare that only one of the two parties is right. What would be the point of political parties otherwise?

No, instead that Democrat should probably just leave and go to wherever the Democrats were meeting up at.

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First of - This example is not relevant to this topic at all. Second - From ToS:

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Separately, in Final Fantasy XIV, player communities may have their own specific set of loosely established rules and guidelines, which involve their own manners, morals, and etiquette. These community-specific rules and guidelines are not officially established as a unified set of rules for the entire community, so they may differ from one community to another. What may be acceptable in one community may be objectionable in another.

If there is a situation in which a person repeatedly says or does something that can be judged as intentionally trying to disrupt the peace, such as "intentionally ignoring the community-specific rules and guidelines while being aware of them" or "unwilling to learn of them," a report can be made.

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So, if OP going against community-specific rule - big pulls - and try to disrupt peace (what op doing right now) OP can get a warning/ban. So, OP need to adjust

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Seriously, people here are report happy or something.

You're not going to have a foot to stand on if you report someone for single pulling in roulette. NOW if you make a party finder stating big pulls and they still single pull that would be reportable because that's disrupting gameplay.

You can either be encouraging and maybe they will start to pull more or just eat the penalty and leave.

Also from the TOS

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It is prohibited to make statements such as:
"There's no way we can clear this with [suggestion]."
"Big pulls are normal here, so do it!"
"I don't care what you think, just follow my instructions."
"I'm not asking for your opinion."

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I'm against report about that. But number of snowflakes in that game gonna report OP for that. So he need to adjust.
Btw yeah, your example clearly show why new ToS is bad. We can see how 2 opinion gonna get ban.

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Btw yeah, your example clearly show why new ToS is bad.

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Agreed. Even with the new examples, personal interpretation can get you an easy 3 day break.

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This is the problem when we've had an influx of the WoW playerbase (which tends to be younger then the core FFXIV playerbase).

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Ah, another it must be them post (not thread thankfully). Sorry to tell you buddy but it is likely in fact mostly "FFXIV players" (as in not those who came from WoW last year in the great exodus, but heck we are all playing FFXIV). Big pulls have nothing to do with other games, big pulls have been a thing in this game since launch (I would honestly say most of the time its the norm but small pulls are 100% fine).

You may also be surprised that the age demographics in FFXIV are likely quite similar to WoW and may on average be younger than you expect for the former, just like the latter.

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So he need to adjust.
Btw yeah, your example clearly show why new ToS is bad. We can see how 2 opinion gonna get ban.

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Um, yeah, you might want to redact a few of your statements because I see variations of that 2nd example in your some of your recent posts in this thread (one is in the quote above). Don't worry, I don't plan on reporting anything either. In the context of what you're saying though, and the ToS, I have to wonder... if a player complains to a tank that they just need to pull bigger, and after the tank refuses that player then follows up with a report. When the GM reviews the report, would the player that made the report be the one to receive the penalty? I'd guess so, which is probably why I've filed very, very few reports outside of very obvious RMT/bot activity. It might even just be one where some random person decided to block my attempts to teleport one time with trade request spam and were being very obvious about what they were doing in chat.

But good grief! Here I am basically saying no one needs to change gameplay and just casually extending a friendly invite to someone to perhaps play with pre-mades of like-minded players who don't really care one way or the other what size pulls are and catching so much flak for it. If OP doesn't end up tanking for DF groups anymore (at least in the short term) as a result of starting to run tank in only premades, how would that be disruptive to the large-pull crowd?

Sure, their mindset is in the minority, but that doesn't make them automatically wrong.

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Um, yeah, you might want to redact a few of your statements because I see variations of that 2nd example in your some of your recent posts in this thread (one is in the quote above). Don't worry, I don't plan on reporting anything either. In the context of what you're saying though, and the ToS, I have to wonder... if a player complains to a tank that they just need to pull bigger, and after the tank refuses that player then follows up with a report. When the GM reviews the report, would the player that made the report be the one to receive the penalty? I'd guess so, which is probably why I've filed very, very few reports outside of very obvious RMT/bot activity. It might even just be one where some random person decided to block my attempts to teleport one time with trade request spam and were being very obvious about what they were doing in chat.

But good grief! Here I am basically saying no one needs to change gameplay and just casually extending a friendly invite to someone to perhaps play with pre-mades of like-minded players who don't really care one way or the other what size pulls are and catching so much flak for it. If OP doesn't end up tanking for DF groups anymore (at least in the short term) as a result of starting to run tank in only premades, how would that be disruptive to the large-pull crowd?

Sure, their mindset is in the minority, but that doesn't make them automatically wrong.

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I think GM work depends HOW you say it.

"Can you please pull more?" and "Pull big, stop being baby *INSERTRAGE*" - very different, and i think 100% you don't get punishment for 1st thing.

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Thinking about it there isn't much more complexity added to tanks after 30ish in 4 man content. You really want to be practicing tanking in trials and alliance raids, where you can see a bunch of tank resposibility stuff like tethers to grab or cleaves to bait. Susano normal even has those orbs that the off tank wants to eat.

No way to practice tank swaps before EX content.

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yup, which kind of sucks when you think about it

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Why do walls exist at all? Because that's the largest size pull the dungeon is designed for. So, actually, yes - Wall-to-wall pulls are part of the game's design. If they weren't, then the walls would be more frequent. Why allow tanks to pull two packs of mobs at all? Why do some walls end after two pulls, but some allow you to do three?

The mere fact of a wall's existence tells you everything you need to know about the intended pull size.

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Akshually the walls were originally introduced to stop the tank from pulling everything with the party following close by but not aggroing anything. The tank would then die in a corner next to the boss and get resurrected, thus skipping all the trash in the dungeon.

i get yelled at by healers for always pulling big because 'you take way too much damage' no, you should be using your skills properly and dpsing as a healer. if you can't keep me alive while curebotting in a big pull then what's the point of playing a healer in the first place? that's why i main healer in the first place.