Lack of updates on Viera and Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Viera & Hrothgar have been out now for over a year. Things have just been shut down the last few months with COVID. Just sayin'.

Now what always gets me is that Au Ra were released as a complete race. They had access to all hairstyles & hats right from the beginning. Why on earth did they not plan for Viera & Hrothgar to receive the same treatment? I understand that there was a bit of a time crunch with the release of ShB, but that should have been a priority to get Viera and Hroth brought up to speed after release.

I know people have mentioned that they both use unique meshes (no idea if this is accurate), but even if that were to be the case,even that isn't a great excuse in my mind. The devs should have allotted whatever time was needed in order to make them complete. And if this is something where the upper management at SE didn't allow the time or funding, then shame on the company for allowing them to stay half-arsed.

I mean, sure, I guess they did warn us early on that they would have limitations, but even still, that's pretty lame. I've never seen new races handled like that in other games. It boggles the mind. This is SE's cash cow, but at times it definitely does not feel like it. Between all the clunky inventory & glamour systems, housing woes, incomplete races, less new content being released with patches, it's starting to get old. ;X

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It's been quite awhile since I really played SWTOR, but they released Togruta who have very limited customization and no access to headgear. Though, they did also have Twi'lek previously were in a similar circumstance. Though, those SWTOR races are kind of to the extreme, they don't even have hair.

They do consider these races complete though. These races are "limited", rather than incomplete. Pretty sure there is an actual quote somewhere too, that they consider viera/hrothgar finished.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I just find this response hilarious when it is a non Viera/Hrothgar made towards a Viera
Well, apparently not every Viera cares

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Ridiculous. First off, that dude posts on an alt, and even if that wasn't the case, are non-viera/hrothgar players not supposed to have an opinion? What about players who were viera/hrothgar previously and just fantasiad off of it?

Also, I called it:

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Are you really expecting that they would have time and energy to care about this minor issue after entire COVID-19 dilemma? I would say that we will be lucky if we can get entire 6.3 patch on time atm. Lack of hair styles will not damaging your game experiences just be patient. It is not going to be something they will pay attention to in 2020

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I haven't read the rest of this thread, but I'm sure someone is going to say "well, Covid".. like uhh.. we didn't have anything new for viera/hrothgar for like 7 months before Covid really hit. We still have literally nothing, and it's crazy! I made a joke the other day how we probably won't see any updates for them until the next expansion, but more and more I believe it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It's been quite awhile since I really played SWTOR, but they released Togruta who have very limited customization and no access to headgear. Though, they did also have Twi'lek previously were in a similar circumstance. Though, those SWTOR races are kind of to the extreme, they don't even have hair.

They do consider these races complete though. These races are "limited", rather than incomplete. Pretty sure there is an actual quote somewhere too, they consider viera/hrothgar finished.

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Ahhh, I will admit I never made it too far in SWTOR. I was bummed I couldn't pick the race I wanted at the beginning and that turned me off. I think it was actually the Togruta I wanted. Figures. lol. :p

I do vaguely remember the early chats about Viera & Hroth implying they'd be more limited, but that still feels bad. :/ IIRC, they had originally said that they would bring some of the shared-hairstyles to at least Viera (RIP Hroth), but then that later changed that to them both getting unique-styles only. Wee bit over a year now, and neither has anything new to show off.

This may be my absolute lack of any programming skills shining through, but it seems like it wouldn't have been a huge leap to bring the hairstyles to at least Viera. I'm not seeing how their heads are that different than the existing races that they couldn't slap the various styles on 'em. Ears would probably pop out in weird spots on some styles (the plaits come to mind), but this is also a game where tails clip through skirts all day long, bunny ears shoot through cowls, hands clip with brand-new cash shop items...so it doesn't seem they're overly fussed with how things clip in game. :P

Hroth, well, I dunno what to do with them. But it seems like Viera & Hroth are connected at the hip, and unless both races can have something new, then neither will get it.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Are you really expecting that they would have time and energy to care about this minor issue after entire COVID-19 dilemma? I would say that we will be lucky if we can get entire 6.3 patch on time atm. Lack of hair styles will not damaging your game experiences just be patient. It is not going to be something they will pay attention to in 2020

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After they spent what felt like 20 minutes talking about stickers for gpose clearly they do have time and energy for all sorts of nonsense.

(Disclaimer: Don't feel particularly strongly about the stickers personally, I realize it's different people working on stuff, just on the topic of having energy to care about "minor issues".)

Eh, I'm fine with the situation I know people seem to hate when someone points out this is what we signed up for, but it was. We weren't even going to get glasses or anything till some Devs did it themselves. I'd never say no to more but I also accept this is a low priority issue in an already abnormal time for the devs, they're behind and already said they'll likely never make up all the time lost, but in an effort to make up some of it, whats the first thing you drop/dile back on? Low priority stuff, I don't expect to hear anything about it now untill 6.0 but if things stayed as they are I'm still content and just happy I can be a Bun.

Honestly rather than some band-aid hairs and hats I'd rarther they just all in on a character overhaul for us all, I can't remember the interview but a while back Yoshi said he wanted to game to go like 20+ years or something and acknowledged that for it to make it that far the engine would at some point need to get looked at and that would be the time to look at graphics and character models.
My guess for that would be arround 7.0 as it makes sense, new story arc new beginning, it sells into itself.

I would be will to put money on the reason you're not getting hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar is because they are working on Male Viera and Female Hrothgar. When their out then you will get hairstyles so they don't have to go back redo unisex hairstyles. That's my theory anyway.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I would be will to put money on the reason you're not getting hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar is because they are working on Male Viera and Female Hrothgar. When their out then you will get hairstyles so they don't have to go back redo unisex hairstyles. That's my theory anyway.

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It was a tough decision, but we decided to do our best to meet both the player feedback and our development team’s vision. It will be very costly to add a new race or genders. So I won’t say no, but I would not like to set expectations high.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

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lol I meant that they were probably working on them for 6.0. Not a upcoming patch.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

lol I meant that they were probably working on them for 6.0. Not a upcoming patch.

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Of course, but the point still stands.

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It will be very costly to add a new race or genders. So I won’t say no, but I would not like to set expectations high.

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Does not inspire much confidence in me for a 6.0 release of the other 2 genders.

It just annoys me, that when they release brand new hairstyles post-Viera/Hrothgar, that they don't even make those work for them!

It's just like "Lolz, here's a new hairstyle for the other races, but Viera and Hrothgar, it's not for you! Tee hee!"

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Originally Posted by Theskymarble

TLDR: I like both races but sad about lack of updates

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Have faith. Despite the covid, I tend to think we have good things coming our way, either soon or in 6.0. There has to be some reason why they cut back on content development compared to earlier xpacs. We have been getting less content, despite ShB being seen as a financial success. And the Nier Raid actually means less development, not more, because they have a lot pre-existing concepts and assets to use, compared to creating a raid from complete scratch. I was thinking about this over the weekend, and maybe Im being an optimist, but maybe theyre working on something big for us. I just dont think YoshiP or the devs are throwing us under the bus while they sip Champaign. If it was just about fixing Viera and Hrothgar, they couldve done that by now unless theyre stalling on it or they have something bigger planned. As in, theyre not going to bother releasing small updates if they plan on doing a large overhaul. And if theyre doing a large overhaul, it would explain a lot why things are relatively low key in terms of content and fixes.

I dont know, maybe this is a bad idea, but I think Im going to start holding my breath here. I think something good is on the way.

considering there is Hrothgar in the Relic quest area with manes those faces cant even have clearly means there is a update on the horizon.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

considering there is Hrothgar in the Relic quest area with manes those faces cant even have clearly means there is a update on the horizon.

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Hrothgar really butchered everything. If it wasn't for that fatal decision to lock Hrothgar's hair to face we would already have gotten new hairstyles for both races. Let's hope they're finally unlocking the hair from face so that going forth both male Hrothgar and female Viera can get new hairstyles regularly.

In the end this is a problem of their own making, Yoshida wanted an animal race so badly that he shoehorned it in before even considering Viera.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Have faith. Despite the covid, I tend to think we have good things coming our way, either soon or in 6.0. (...)

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That's still two years of no upate for these races, unfortunately. I'd be happy to get something but still a bit salty. It's my own fault too cause I have my hopes up before each patch and then I'm disappointed :P.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

considering there is Hrothgar in the Relic quest area with manes those faces cant even have clearly means there is a update on the horizon.

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I dunno man...
There are plenty of NPCs with custom faces we can't recreate in the character creator.

They did already reduced the dungeons to one instead of 2.


Now there is also Corona and even the new updates themselves have been delayed (without new Viera and hrothgar stuff).


Pretty sure the furries are very low priority on their list + now with covid too. Wouldn't surprise me we'll get the new expansion (in about a year) and still no new things on them.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I dunno man...
There are plenty of NPCs with custom faces we can't recreate in the character creator.

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Normally these NPCs have lines and are characters important to a story, they's not normally just randomly walking around.

I mean, it's smart to be skeptical ... but the devs have legit said that Hrothgar are getting new faces and manes and that Viera are getting new hair and now we see Hrothgar with face/ mane options that have not been seen in game before. I mean ... seems legit.
*Shrug

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Hrothgar really butchered everything. If it wasn't for that fatal decision to lock Hrothgar's hair to face we would already have gotten new hairstyles for both races.

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I love how you're marching around spreading this bs so boldly.

You must have high blood pressure.

the problem is that they said yes these two races will be getting new things ... (someday)
i will be ok if yoshida said it clearly (no) you won't be getting anything new . but this wait is absurd !
at least give us a date i don't mind if it's a year or two from now but at least i won't wait every live letter or patch for any news about these races .

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Normally these NPCs have lines and are characters important to a story, they's not normally just randomly walking around.

I mean, it's smart to be skeptical ... but the devs have legit said that Hrothgar are getting new faces and manes and that Viera are getting new hair and now we see Hrothgar with face/ mane options that have not been seen in game before. I mean ... seems legit.
*Shrug



I love how you're marching around spreading this bs so boldly.

You must have high blood pressure.

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It's called logic and connecting the dots. If Viera started getting a bunch of hairstyles and Hrothgar got nothing, how do you think that would be received?

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Originally Posted by lalin

the problem is that they said yes these two races will be getting new things ... (someday)
i will be ok if yoshida said it clearly (no) you won't be getting anything new . but this wait is absurd !
at least give us a date i don't mind if it's a year or two from now but at least i won't wait every live letter or patch for any news about these races .

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I agree! An ETA would be amazing as far as the hrothgar & viera updates.
I'd also like to see Hilda's Ponytail be released to the playerbase- but it's too nice of a hairstyle, which means it wont happen lol

They released two limited races and two (weapon glamour-wise) limited jobs.
So far development time's been spent on issues I wager SE feels are more important, like adding stickers to gpose...

It took how long for GNB/DNC to even get a shinryu weapon? That's what, 1 of how many SB trial weapons? Not to even include the other lacking options that'd be level relevant, i.e. they gave DNC/GNB sunburst weapons from Diadem (which they nixxed to retool for IshResto), but not anything from the Alexander raid series...

My expectations are either next expac or not at all.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

It's called logic and connecting the dots. If Viera started getting a bunch of hairstyles and Hrothgar got nothing, how do you think that would be received?

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For me personally, I wouldn't really care (hell, when I played male Roegadyn, he was usually always bald. Worked for the leatherman look I was going for)? The mane on the Hrothgar face I like the most is great. First thing SE should do for Hrothgar is let all manes be accessible for all faces (that way you're not spending real money for a different mane glued to a face. THAT is a huge issue that needs to be fixed ASAP).

Once they do that, I don't really care what they do next... though one thing I'd really like is to make it so Hrothgar and Viera can wear Mogstation hats (and then everything else eventually maybe). I'm otherwise really happy FFXIV has a playable beast race.

Im just surprised that they aren't even adjusting hair they've added since the release of SHB to work for hroth / viera? well. maybe not hroth since hair is tied to face but at least viera??? theyve added a few hairstyles with ishgard restoration, why not just adjust them??

on the other hand: the king slime helmet is an old old helm from like 2014. dunno why they didnt adjust that either tho

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

It's called logic and connecting the dots. If Viera started getting a bunch of hairstyles and Hrothgar got nothing, how do you think that would be received?

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... That's legit the current situation. You realize that, right? Hrothgar got to spend RL money to change hair between the same FACE where as Viera hair is treated like normal. That's not fair nor is it the same thing. And from a design stand point it would be far easier to make Hrothgar manes seeing as they don't have highlights and mostly look like what a race of manly beast men would do if left alone to manage their hair ... big sections of hair roughly managed into something pleasing yet beastly. Viera hair? That ish gotta look like HQ human hair and we have gotten a grand total of 2 new HQ hair styles for reg races post release of Shbs.

They are not and have never been treated as equals. When they give Hrothgar new manes and faces I expect them to expect Hroths to pay up for it cause manes were legit seen as a character creation option and not as "hair". Do you think they're gonna force Viera to buy their hair on the mogstation?

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Do you think they're gonna force Viera to buy their hair on the mogstation?

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Lol Viera are wig wearing bald bunnies confirmed

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

When they give Hrothgar new manes and faces I expect them to expect Hroths to pay up for it

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As much as I hate the Viera hair situation, this is the most outrageous part about these 2 races.

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

I'd sadly say that this isn't going to be resolved until the next expansion, I doubt they'd touch upon it in patches (which is a shame)

Opening current hairstyles to Hroth/Viera shouldn't be that hard?
You'd then also have some people expecting the Hroth/Viera exclusive hairs for their race of choice as well.

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The sad thing is, that either they have to create a hairstyle that is wearable by every race or the other races will lose out. Over the expansion we already got less and less hairstyles with each patch, giving Hrothgar and Viera special race only styles will just decrease the overall hairstyles too. (Of course I would believe that a game that big should be able to handle getting more hairstyles per patch..but its seemingly not possible..)

Of course I would be fine with getting no new hairstyle if it means that Viera and Hrothgar will finally get one of theirs but in the end its just frustrating that they have created new races that hurt the rest of the game with their limitations..

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Unfortunately the community has proven that it can't handle information. Just look at sigs on this very forum for proof of that.

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Since I am one of those using sigs like that: Is it that bad to want SE to stick to what they have said/promised? For me its normal that you can trust the words that are coming out of a devs mouth because otherwise something is quite wrong. If they go and say that a housing timer is from an old time and wont ever be used then is it suprising that your customer is angry that you go against that? If you say that titles for Ishgard will stay the same and people believe that and now suddenly you turn around and say that you will probably change it then this is horrible.

Should I know stare at every comment and promise the dev says and be skeptical? Things can change but 1. communicate the change fast and 2. still try to stick to it if possible and 3. communicate stuff when they are nearly done to not fall into the situation at all.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Have faith. Despite the covid, I tend to think we have good things coming our way, either soon or in 6.0. There has to be some reason why they cut back on content development compared to earlier xpacs. We have been getting less content, despite ShB being seen as a financial success. And the Nier Raid actually means less development, not more, because they have a lot pre-existing concepts and assets to use, compared to creating a raid from complete scratch. I was thinking about this over the weekend, and maybe Im being an optimist, but maybe theyre working on something big for us. I just dont think YoshiP or the devs are throwing us under the bus while they sip Champaign. If it was just about fixing Viera and Hrothgar, they couldve done that by now unless theyre stalling on it or they have something bigger planned. As in, theyre not going to bother releasing small updates if they plan on doing a large overhaul. And if theyre doing a large overhaul, it would explain a lot why things are relatively low key in terms of content and fixes.

I dont know, maybe this is a bad idea, but I think Im going to start holding my breath here. I think something good is on the way.

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Are you thinking the devs might be working on a Neon Genesis:PSO2 style of update?

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Originally Posted by Nestama

For me personally, I wouldn't really care (hell, when I played male Roegadyn, he was usually always bald. Worked for the leatherman look I was going for)? The mane on the Hrothgar face I like the most is great. First thing SE should do for Hrothgar is let all manes be accessible for all faces (that way you're not spending real money for a different mane glued to a face. THAT is a huge issue that needs to be fixed ASAP).

Once they do that, I don't really care what they do next... though one thing I'd really like is to make it so Hrothgar and Viera can wear Mogstation hats (and then everything else eventually maybe). I'm otherwise really happy FFXIV has a playable beast race.

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As much as I see where Amnmaat is coming from and agree to an extend, I also agree here. Let's be real, Viera and specially Hroth have very limited hair options, but even when the other races have wha, over 40 to chose from, 90% of people use the same ~10, so it's not just a matter of how many options they have, it's also about how good they look.

I, personally, love my Hroth as is, and just having all the existing hairs available would do for me. That said, that's another issue they may encounter - either they unlock all hairstyles for either head, or would need 8 variants of each face, and from then on, 4 variants every time they may decide to add a new hairstyle, which would probably be even more of a hot mess regarding the CC and its infamous spaghetti code.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

... That's legit the current situation. You realize that, right? Hrothgar got to spend RL money to change hair between the same FACE where as Viera hair is treated like normal. That's not fair nor is it the same thing. And from a design stand point it would be far easier to make Hrothgar manes seeing as they don't have highlights and mostly look like what a race of manly beast men would do if left alone to manage their hair ... big sections of hair roughly managed into something pleasing yet beastly. Viera hair? That ish gotta look like HQ human hair and we have gotten a grand total of 2 new HQ hair styles for reg races post release of Shbs.

They are not and have never been treated as equals. When they give Hrothgar new manes and faces I expect them to expect Hroths to pay up for it cause manes were legit seen as a character creation option and not as "hair". Do you think they're gonna force Viera to buy their hair on the mogstation?

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How was that "current situation" received? They saw how almost every Hrothgar player was flabbergasted that they had to pay with a fantasia to change their hairstyle. After the reaction they have mirrored every Hrothgar/Viera decision 1:1, Nier headgear, dungeon headgear, etc.
The decisions they make at the job sound good in meetings but when they put the product out they realize they huge mistake they made. It's why 1.0 happens, something is a standard until the customers beat the dead horse to change the situation.

I went back to au ra(as it's my true calling) but when I was viera. I didn't car about hats. What I did care about what hairstyles. One of the reasons I won't ever play viera again.

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Originally Posted by Tanama

Are you thinking the devs might be working on a Neon Genesis:PSO2 style of update?

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Could you clarify? Im not familiar.

What I am under the impression is that they are cutting back development from current content to drop something big in our laps for the upcoming patches/xpac. Consider somethings here:
- Nier Raid will resuse assets broadly, and requires a lot less concept work than a raid from scratch because they already have something to work from. It doesnt mean its easy, but it means it's not as burdensome as a raid from scratch would be.
- Cutting down two dungeons to 1 per major patch. Thats literally a 50% cut in development in that department.
- Mogstation seems to be getting pushed harder (they used Mogstation money to give us more data centers, so having them push it again means they need revenue for something.)
- There has been no word that they cut down their dev team. From what Ive seen on places like Reddit a while back, the opposite seems true, theyre trying to expand their dev team.
- FFXIV ShB is a success, finanically, and currently is a big part of SEs overall income. Letting it degrade or sink doesnt make financial sense.
- There is obvious issues with Viera and Hrothgar in terms of customization. the fact were literally over a year into this xpac and theyve done very little ot address this is out of character. remember, the devs worked overtime behind YoshiPs back to bring us some headwear when they initially told us there wouldnt be any. They couldve easily by now done atleast some things to alleviate the issues the two races face, but almost nothing at this point?
- People obviously want the off sexes. The disappointment was palpable when Hrothgar was revealed. And rather than just catagorizing them both together for cleaner UI, they purposefully made them separate. Bit of a stretch on this one, but this is a deliberate choice. It left open the possibility of it.

Theres a lot going on here that doesnt add up, unless they are planning something. I suspect it will either be a complete fix to hrothgar and viera, and possibly-maybe even the off sexes. But for the latter there is one major hurdle.
The issue with adding races, from what I understood from YoshiP or hte devs mentioning this, is everytime they create a new race, they have to manually fit the armors and gear. All of them. This isnt as big an issue in other MMOs because of how the character creator engine operates. It's more streamlined, where as FFXIV is running off a dated 1.0 engine. It must take them a ton of resources to keep setting up gear individually. This is, also from what I understood, part of the reason why Viera and Hrothgar were a pain in the ass to implement. The best way to solve this would to rebuild the character creation engine from the ground up. This part might be a stretch. It is incredibly expensive to rebuild the character design engine, but doing so would prolong the lifespan of the game, and resolve a lot of the development issues they run into. It would also allow them to more easily implement the off sexes. It is also an item that is in demand pretty much across the board. People want more customization for their characters.

But if they did, it would be a huge selling point for the next xpac and may be worth the cost.

Im not saying this is for sure, but I personally feel like something is up. There's just to many wierd things going on, Covid aside. Again, these are my personal feelings. Im not suggesting this is what is happening for sure. Im am saying that if something incredible isnt on the way, I am going to be sorely disappointed and wonder what the hell the devs were doing with all that spare time and funds.

Me as Bern: I am once again asking for Vierra and Hrothgar updates

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Could you clarify? Im not familiar.
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What he's referring to this.
Basically it's like the ultimate "Have your cake and eat it to". New game/ entry set 1k years in the future, new graphics engine, new combat systems, open world, FAR better Character Creation and ontop of that all of these visual updates are going into the current PSO2 that you can play right now ... and you can keep the same character with all your unlocked emotes and play them in either PSO2 or PSO2:NGS whenever you want. So they get to keep the PSO2 title and branding and playerbase but also overhaul the game

PSO2 is a very successful Japanese MMO that's going on 10 years at this point, it's new to the west but it looks dated af to many.

I can dig it. I've said for a long time that I don't think we're getting the other genders unless they cut back on content like Dngs or until they make a new MMO cause though this game is lovely and visually aged very well it's built upon a tower of old outdated systems and you can see the devs trying their best to do what they can with in these limits. The world of gaming has advanced a lot since this game was blitzed into being to save the franchise, and it's far too popular to let die yet many of the core problems and limits with it are things that would be easier solved by just making a new game instead of trying to fix this mess. Like, we just can't get Ass Sliders because it's a stupid amount of work because of system of how gear in this game is made. Making hats and helms fit beast heads? That's a thing GW2 can do ... but much like ass sliders, it would be a LOT of work to get into this game for the same reason. So I can dig the idea of them basically overhauling the whole thing with a new engine for a new story for your character that's basically a new game set in FF14.
They basically did that already with ARR.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

PSO2 is a very successful Japanese MMO that's going on 10 years at this point, it's new to the west but it looks dated af to many.

I can dig it. I've said for a long time that I don't think we're getting the other genders unless they cut back on content like Dngs or until they make a new MMO cause though this game is lovely and visually aged very well it's built upon a tower of old outdated systems and you can see the devs trying their best to do what they can with in these limits. The world of gaming has advanced a lot since this game was blitzed into being to save the franchise, and it's far too popular to let die yet many of the core problems and limits with it are things that would be easier solved by just making a new game instead of trying to fix this mess. Like, we just can't get Ass Sliders because it's a stupid amount of work because of system of how gear in this game is made. Making hats and helms fit beast heads? That's a thing GW2 can do ... but much like ass sliders, it would be a LOT of work to get into this game for the same reason. So I can dig the idea of them basically overhauling the whole thing with a new engine for a new story for your character that's basically a new game set in FF14.
They basically did that already with ARR.

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A calamity will happen, since I agree with you on most of these points.
What Yoshida and his people should be considering is basically this; upgrade textures, game engine, but not the graphics.

What they should do is not update the graphics beyond adding more bones to characters and clothing. Why do I say this? It would take way too many years to do upgrade the graphics and we'd lose too many things like minions, mounts, hairstyles; we'd just lose too much if they rebuild the game from the ground up graphically. Keep the same graphics, so to speak, but port it over to a new engine. The engine is really XIV's problem, not so much the graphics. In my opinion this is the best solution out of any, because it keeps all the work they've worked hard on while allowing them to make the game with fresh 2020 code, server code, and game engine. A new engine would definitely fix the problem with clipping and sliders and how the server transfers data to the game.

So I wonder, would people be ok with no graphical upgrades but instead just engine upgrades which would allow for more detailed physics, clothing, and character creation?

I went viera ever since shadowbringer expansion came out and still haven't changed yet but I keep thinking of switching back to hyur. I have definitely grown tired of looking at the same 8 identical hairstyles with only difference is the bangs. I have thrown out majority hats I could not wear but what makes it more frustrating is that you can't even wear majority achievement hats like crowns that could easily just make it smaller so it fits on viera/hrotghar.

And making new hairstyles isn't even that time consuming especially for vieras, waiting a year with no updates to the newest races is just stupid...New patch is on the way with no information regarding the new races yet again...And another patch where they gonna give new hairstyles to every other race except for the new one.

Is it so hard to just give one new hairstyle/new face for hrotghar/viera? Just anything at all would be so much more better than being out in the cold while looking everyone else unwrapping their new presents but you can't use them unless you pay for another fantasia...

At this point, if they do release only one for each on their first update, I'd wanna peaceful protest, so hopefully we get like a large amount of them at once for each and that's why it's been taking so long.

I miss my Gyr Albania plat and Artifact hats. ; ;

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

At this point, if they do release only one for each on their first update, I'd wanna peaceful protest, so hopefully we get like a large amount of them at once for each and that's why it's been taking so long.

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I really hope so, one is still better than none but not by much.. I'm hoping for between 5-7 unique ones (actually unique, not counting the fringe/no fringe as a full style) and whichever Modern Aesthetics they managed to adapt, but that already feels overly optimistic so not holding my breath for that.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

At this point, pretty much every playable race is in need of an update to the character customisation system. Let's not forget that Highlander men have been stuck without the option for real eyebrows since the launch of ARR.

Perhaps the delay is due to everything being bunched together for a major overhaul, especially since one of the game's major competitors is doing just that with its upcoming expansion.

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And which MMO is that? WoW? The MMO that's been on life support since they tried reeling players back in with classic to hold them there until Shadowlands?

On a side note - For this thread and those wondering about the "Updates". I think you guys forget that Yoshi-P said he didn't want to add new races because of the resources and manpower. This was before ShB came out. But they did anyways. So when you take that into consideration, Hrothgar and Viera will always be at the very back in terms of importance. Actual content comes first. But i'm fairly sure at the next fanfest we will see a surprise video of our male Viera and female Hrothgar. I assume that's why it's been fairly quiet for a while and maybe some other surprises.

Also on another note - I've said this before in other threads. They should scrap Hrothgar. We already have a cat race. I'd prefer Lupin, the wolf race.