The tawdry female bosses are tiresome, and we could do with more male fanservice.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

We have plenty if variety when it comes the female form with bosses. Just because a few are sexy doesn't mean they are bad.

But I will agree with more male bosses like Vauthry, I guess if you find them lacking. :/

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Agree, attacking a boss just because it's a sexy woman is very low level.
I just want Square Enix to know that we love their sexy female boss designs, please don't turn into sony just because another person wants to stare at a man's ass; which is fine but they don't have to put down the women characters in order to enjoy the man's ass.

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please don't turn into sony just because another person wants to stare at a man's ass;

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I don't understand this comment.
What did / does Sony do?

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I just want to see more monstrous female bosses... like Twintania, Tioman, Dotoli Ciloc (Ixali Beastman) and Rukshs Dheem (Queen). It's silly that male bosses can be anything they want to be (but not skimpily dressed), but female bosses are mostly humanoid.

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I too am in favor of more monstergirls for non-cowards. :o

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Agree, attacking a boss just because it's a sexy woman is very low level.
I just want Square Enix to know that we love their sexy female boss designs, please don't turn into sony just because another person wants to stare at a man's ass; which is fine but they don't have to put down the women characters in order to enjoy the man's ass.

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I'd have to reread the thread, but I don't think anyone is saying stop with the sexy females. It's more of 'lets add some sexy guys to balance it out'.

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I don't understand this comment.
What did / does Sony do?

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Sony actively censors any anime looking games. For some reason they really hate it but allowed Naughty Dog to show a full blown disturbing as hell sex scene in TLOU2.

Ironically, Japan cut that scene completely out of their version of the game. And let me tell you, they are LUCKY they didn't have to witness that horrendous scene.

Do the games they censor involve anime looking girls below 18 years old (or look under 18)? If so, that's probably why they censor them. As uncomfortable that one scene in TLoU2 was, it was a scene with two consenting adults in a game rated for adults (R18+ in Australia and yes, it was uncensored for us).

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Do the games they censor involve anime looking girls below 18 years old (or look under 18)? If so, that's probably why they censor them. As uncomfortable that one scene in TLoU2 was, it was a scene with two consenting adults in a game rated for adults (R18+ in Australia and yes, it was uncensored for us).

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No, they censor all japanese made fanservice for female bodies, thats why square created their ethics department so they can properly censor games before sony asks them to do expensive changes to games, but they do allow underage boy love sex scenes, life is strange has one apparently.

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Do the games they censor involve anime looking girls below 18 years old (or look under 18)? If so, that's probably why they censor them. As uncomfortable that one scene in TLoU2 was, it was a scene with two consenting adults in a game rated for adults (R18+ in Australia and yes, it was uncensored for us).

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Devil May Cry 5 got censor with lens flares, all characters are adults in that game. After TLoU2 the double standard is undeniable.

As a female myself I really wish we would get more ugly beastly female bosses (there are some but the good looking ones are more) and at the same time more good looking male bosses without the huge mass of muscles.

iam a straight guy, born and raise with anime so sadly i actually dont mind with all that "waifu", in every game with "create your own character' i always play as female because i will try to dress them in either sexy or cool "ice queen" way (unless in a game where you can create gundam because that will be my priority one!)

all i can say is "cant satisfy everyone", i mean like it or not FF14 maybe cater toward casual player but inside these casual is still majority of man so sexism is still one of the aspect they need to do to keep the audience happy, remember this is made in japan not west (you know how japan and echi goes hand in hand in video games)

but you must give them props to actually also give some "service" toward girl too, not many mmorpg do this (and probably none?) so yeah while it still edge toward "man of culture", they still think for girls too.

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Originally Posted by PondHollow

So many of them are so obscene I'm hesitant to post them here, but you can have a look - https://twitter.com/meteorswimmer/st...50690592116736

Meanwhile, the Godberts and Sephirots are few and rarely have a nice face or a robust view.

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I love female boses actually, but I would like to see male bosses be more fan-servicy and sexy as well, so I partially agree. I think female bosses look like goddesses and super powerful

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Sony actively censors any anime looking games. For some reason they really hate it but allowed Naughty Dog to show a full blown disturbing as hell sex scene in TLOU2.

Ironically, Japan cut that scene completely out of their version of the game. And let me tell you, they are LUCKY they didn't have to witness that horrendous scene.

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Disturbing? How is a strong independent woman who worked for her musculature now "disturbing"? :mad:

I really don't understand the need to want this.
Its literally a boss you're going to kill in like 5mins if its a dungeon boss or 14mins if its a ex primal, who cares if theyre a female or male.

Why are people even checking out the boss when you're going to be focusing on the mechs half the time. Heck idk if its me but I look at my hotbar, boss cast bar and mechs more than I look at the actual boss unless they have some movement mech.

and as much as people wanna complain, attractive female bosses are just more popular in the community. You don't see fan art of Omega-M, Seiryu and innocence and those are some of the most attractive male boss.
if anything...they're not bosses but at least you have eye candy where it "actually" matters in the NPCs.

Thancred, Aymeric, Raubahn, Hien, Emet? (idk someone might like him), Mnk/Drk WoL, Gaius, Zeno
For females, the only thing the dudes have to thirst over is....yugiri? lyse? yotsuyu?

Heck...lyse and yotsuyu are the only females with an actual unique model and one of them is dead.
All the other girls are faces you can use yourself to cosplay.

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and as much as people wanna complain, attractive female bosses are just more popular in the community. You don't see fan art of Omega-M, Seiryu and innocence and those are some of the most attractive male boss.

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You aren't looking at the right art tags.

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and as much as people wanna complain, attractive female bosses are just more popular in the community. You don't see fan art of Omega-M, Seiryu and innocence and those are some of the most attractive male boss.
if anything...they're not bosses but at least you have eye candy where it "actually" matters in the NPCs.

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You have no idea how much fanarts those bosses you listed get, especially in the JP side of things people who enjoy male bosses/male npc's create fanart or fanworks in general, like crazy. So no, male characters (be it in boss form, the few humanoid ones we have) are as popular as female ones. The only difference, like you yourself pointed out, is that those male bosses usually have more depth to them, aka Zenos, [redacted shadowbringers boss], Innocence, Omega-M (who is as popular as A) etc. And that's really a shame, I wish we got more female characters who can leave a deep impact on us as did male npc's like the ones you listed. More often than not I find their female npc's lacking or just representing a stereotype where no depth is requiered, they have a bad habit of dying/not playing a big role in the msq. Personally Yotsuyu was never appealing to me as a character so I couldn't really bond with her on a level that many people do with Emet for example.

To get back to OP's point. Yes, more sexy male bosses, thank you. Without having to stop giving us sexy female bosses.

Why must all the scantily clad bosses be female? Need I remind people there was an actual army of men that went to battle entirely naked? I've no issues with bosses designed with sex appeal. I just think it, like everything else, should be equal-opportunity. Wet get a female boss in a chainmail bikini? Give us a male boss in a codpiece to please.

We get a very pretty and well endowed looking female boss with emphasis on the chest and face? Give us a male boss that's well-endowed and emphasize the crotch, chest, and biceps then.

I think the big issue is that a lot of our female bosses are very humanoid and stereotypically attractive looking, but very, very few of our male bosses are humanoid-and-attractive looking... We have Scathach, Shiva, Ruby Princess, this new dungeon girl, Lakshmi, female Omega, etc. But on the side of "stereotypically attractive" male bosses we have like... male omega and Innocence. Maybe Lahabrea in the Praetorium by virtue of his using Thancred. Most male characters that are well-loved by fans (i.e. Aymeric, G'raha, etc.) don't end up in/near boss fights, and even male characters that do end up like Hades with a monster transformation for the actual boss fight or wearing a helmet the whole fight, lmao I forgot Zenos even existed... And there might be people who find bosses like Sephirot attractive but I would wager that he doesn't appeal to the general female player populace the same way, say, the new dungeon girl's design has wide-spread appeal.

So from a female player's perspective: A little fanservice with some male bosses from time to time wouldn't hurt! I don't even need or want skimpy outfits, just... Why is a good-looking face on a male boss so hard to come by??? D;

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We get a very pretty and well endowed looking female boss with emphasis on the chest and face? Give us a male boss that's well-endowed and emphasize the crotch, chest, and biceps then.

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If they did add male bosses with sex appeal at the forefront of the design this is now how Japan would design them lol.
If anything you'd get more bosses that look like Aymeric.
Slender and long hair and supple and a pretty boy.

Why are most female bosses sexy? Because women by nature are sexy. Men by nature are rough, rugged, and more animalistic/aggressive. That's reflected in the ratio of sexy women compared to the animal/deformed ones. The reverse is true for the male bosses
Easiest question to answer. The nature of the sexes hasn't changed since the creator put humans on this planet about 6 million years ago.

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You have no idea how much fanarts those bosses you listed get, especially in the JP

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In the Jp sides of things, the females get drawn more than the males.

Usual when they draw the male. Its always shipped with their own WoL.
Probably should have just said they don't get drawn as much as the females since people are taking as I said they don't drawn at all.
You're lying to yourself if you think the males are as popular as the females though (bosses) Not MSQ story character bosses.

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Originally Posted by Roda

You aren't looking at the right art tags.

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Oh I am and the male bosses don't get drawn no where near as much as the female bosses. Probably should have said that rather than they don't get drawn since that what people want to pick apart.
Reason being is that the female trump the male bosses is for the sole fact that they have WAY more nsfw on top of already having equal to or more sfw than the males.

The only two problems I've had with female bosses are when Ryne becomes Shiva- her light form is half naked & she's under or around 16, I know japan is known to fetishize under-age characters for various reasons---- and two, when female bosses have better hairstyles than whats available to the playerbase.

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all i can say is "cant satisfy everyone", i mean like it or not FF14 maybe cater toward casual player but inside these casual is still majority of man so sexism is still one of the aspect they need to do to keep the audience happy, remember this is made in japan not west (you know how japan and echi goes hand in hand in video games

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Why is something appealing to guys 'sexism', but appealing to girls is fine?

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The only two problems I've had with female bosses are when Ryne becomes Shiva- her light form is half naked & she's under or around 16, I know japan is known to fetishize under-age characters for various reasons---- and two, when female bosses have better hairstyles than whats available to the playerbase.

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Don't look up her Savage-only form. Especially do not look up the cutscene that plays when that form is introduced.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Why is something appealing to guys 'sexism', but appealing to girls is fine?

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i dont like it either, but thats how society see it nowadays.

man love anime and waifu = eew go away you creep
girl love handsome guy and bl stuff = you go girls!

its kinda sad but thats how it is. i just think it as the counter balance, because man have a lot stuff to delve into, like seriously the amount of anime, waifu, echiness that was cater toward man of culture is just absurd compare to girl, so i just think it as "unavoidable risk"

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Why is something appealing to guys 'sexism', but appealing to girls is fine?

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To be fair, I think putting good-looking dudes in the game would be appealing to guys, and for them too. :)

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

To be fair, I think putting good-looking dudes in the game would be appealing to guys, and for them too. :)

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I could see that. I liked Byakko's appearance, minus the weird tiger-face right arm and he's basically naked. I guess it's just a matter of how you view things. I think Byakko's design is appealing because it radiates power and something strive towards physically.

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As a female myself I really wish we would get more ugly beastly female bosses (there are some but the good looking ones are more) and at the same time more good looking male bosses without the huge mass of muscles.

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So...The last boss of the most recent dungeon? I dunno, seems to fit the female side of what you were asking.Maybe just me.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Disturbing? How is a strong independent woman who worked for her musculature now "disturbing"? :mad:

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I said "disturbing as hell sex scene". I didn't mention Abby's look. If you like here, then that's great. Good for you.

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Why is something appealing to guys 'sexism', but appealing to girls is fine?

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It's the amount of representation that's at issue.

There are far more sexy, scantily clad female human normal/near-normal NPC models than sexy, scantily clad male human normal/near-normal NPC models. When there's such a massive difference in representation, you're going to get claims of sexism because not all the preferences of the player base are getting equal representation. It's been an issue pretty much throughout video game history. The industry is still defaulting NPC models (and advertising) to appeal to the straight males (which can have a side benefit of appealing to non-straight females) while mostly ignoring the straight females and non-straight males.

Try drawing up a list of all the sexy, scantily clad male human normal NPC models in the game then compare it to a list of ll the sexy, scantily clad female human normal NPC models. Straight females and non-straight males would love to see their preferences represented just as much as straight males and non-straight females get their preferences represented.

If representation were close to equal, most of the claims of sexism would disappear (won't claim all, we all know some people are still going to complain regardless).

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It's the amount of representation that's at issue.

There are far more sexy, scantily clad female human normal/near-normal NPC models than sexy, scantily clad male human normal/near-normal NPC models. When there's such a massive difference in representation, you're going to get claims of sexism because not all the preferences of the player base are getting equal representation. It's been an issue pretty much throughout video game history. The industry is still defaulting NPC models (and advertising) to appeal to the straight males (which can have a side benefit of appealing to non-straight females) while mostly ignoring the straight females and non-straight males.

Try drawing up a list of all the sexy, scantily clad male human normal NPC models in the game then compare it to a list of ll the sexy, scantily clad female human normal NPC models. Straight females and non-straight males would love to see their preferences represented just as much as straight males and non-straight females get their preferences represented.

If representation were close to equal, most of the claims of sexism would disappear (won't claim all, we all know some people are still going to complain regardless).

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Whether people like it or not gamers, as in those who have multiple consoles, large game libraries, are more prone to buying new games/systems at release, etc, are predominately male. That's not sexism, that's just statistics.

Barring that, I'd have to agree with Amnmaat that women are traditionally viewed as beautiful, elegant and graceful while guys are viewed as rugged and rough. I think the designs are meant to reflect that.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It's the amount of representation that's at issue.
The industry is still defaulting NPC models (and advertising) to appeal to the straight males (which can have a side benefit of appealing to non-straight females) while mostly ignoring the straight females and non-straight males.

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I disagree with this. In the older days of gaming? for sure. Not even a debate. But now? Not some much.
Manly Western Devs. Stopped making attractive female characters and really only make the males attractive while all the females tend to be pretty freaking fuggly with B cups to make sure its not too sexy because the "NOOO HER BACK WILL HURT" meme.

Kinda why I'm glad most japanese devs stick to their guns and not appealing to the people that don't even play their games.
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https://i.imgur.com/A1zpGxq.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/0MqmL6Z.jpg

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Whether people like it or not gamers, as in those who have multiple consoles, large game libraries, are more prone to buying new games/systems at release, etc, are predominately male. That's not sexism, that's just statistics.

Barring that, I'd have to agree with Amnmaat that women are traditionally viewed as beautiful, elegant and graceful while guys are viewed as rugged and rough. I think the designs are meant to reflect that.

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I'm not calling who's buying them sexism. I'm calling catering predominantly to that one market segment sexism, because it is.

Did you ever stop to consider that maybe the reason why males make up the majority of gamers (by your definition) is because so many games sexualize females without also sexualizing males? It turns off female and many non-straight male buyers because their own interests aren't represented in like fashion. Balance that out and the game industry will see a surge in multiple title sales to those who aren't straight male, creating even more gamers building game libraries.

Would you stop buying games just because they started adding just as many sexualized male NPCs as they did female? Would you and other straight males somehow feel threatened if male characters started getting the same treatment that female characters get?

It doesn't matter how the genders have been traditionally viewed. Society is changing. What matters is how they should be view going forward.

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I'm not calling who's buying them sexism. I'm calling catering predominantly to that one market segment sexism, because it is.

Did you ever stop to consider that maybe the reason why males make up the majority of gamers (by your definition) is because so many games sexualize females without also sexualizing males? It turns off female and many non-straight male buyers because their own interests aren't represented in like fashion. Balance that out and the game industry will see a surge in multiple title sales to those who aren't straight male, creating even more gamers building game libraries.

Would you stop buying games just because they started adding just as many sexualized male NPCs as they did female? Would you and other straight males somehow feel threatened if male characters started getting the same treatment that female characters get?

It doesn't matter how the genders have been traditionally viewed. Society is changing. What matters is how they should be view going forward.

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Believe it or not. Most female gamers don't really care about the sexualization of female characters, as well as male gamers don't care about the sexualization of male characters. Like seeing their abs or bare ass in some games.
If anything most see it as badass when they see a female wearing a sexy outfit rather than hot as if a guy would see it.

Its honestly the media, journalist and the SJW(that don't even play the games they're complaining about) that's really putting it on the spot light.

That's not to say some girls wouldn't get uncomfortable with some female characters just like how some boys wouldn't get uncomfortable with some males but if I'm honest. Those people are the minority and most gamers don't really give a s**t as long as the game they're playing that has said imaginary is good.

Also there has never been a study to truly pin point that more males play more video games than females world wide. As far as the US goes, its about almost even.
But it is a fact that more females play more casual games than males. (facebook games, moblie games, sims).

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I disagree with this. In the older days of gaming? for sure. Not even a debate. But now? Not some much.
Manly Western Devs. Stopped making attractive female characters and really only make the males attractive while all the females tend to be pretty freaking fuggly with B cups to make sure its not too sexy because the "NOOO HER BACK WILL HURT" meme.

Kinda why I'm glad most japanese devs stick to their guns and not appealing to the people that don't even play their games.
JP
https://i.imgur.com/A1zpGxq.jpg
NA
https://i.imgur.com/0MqmL6Z.jpg

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bruh tf.

Think what you will about TLOU2 (I have my own spicy opinions about it and I don't think all the designs are good), but Ellie's design in particular is fine. She's a young woman who grew up in a zombie apocalypse. She's pretty, but she's not going to be flouncing around in a dress with her knockers popping out. Aerith is also beautiful and a great design, but her beauty is quite literally unnatural.

I'm sorry your perception of female beauty has been so disturbingly warped and you find average looking women "fugly".

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Mild tangent aside, I'm not a fan of how OP worded it and I like my pretty lady bosses much as the next dude, but I agree that it would be nice to see some more fanservice for those that like men. It's very, VERY clear the market is there in the game considering the massive amounts of fanart and love for the male characters in this game.

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What exactly are you trying to debate here with these two pictures? They do not compare. If you are going to do comparisons in the future you should do it with characters that are applicable.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

Believe it or not. Most female gamers don't really care about the sexualization of female characters, as well as male gamers don't care about the sexualization of male characters. Like seeing their abs or bare ass in some games.
If anything most see it as badass when they see a female wearing a sexy outfit rather than hot as if a guy would see it.

Its honestly the media, journalist and the SJW(that don't even play the games they're complaining about) that's really putting it on the spot light.

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Who makes you the know it all on this information of what 'gamers' care about, the YouTubers you watch?

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Well I never said Ellie was ugly so get your panties out a bunch. I posted this for a comparison of how different designs are from JP devs to Western devs.
If I wanted to post something ugly I would have easily used something else. Goal wasn't to trash western female design, why I picked Ellie because shes the most popular.


See above. And they certainly do compare since they're made by two different types of devs. JP vs Western character design.
I was using "most" for a reason because I knew someone was gonna get offended some how and come in with the "well you can't speak for me".

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They do not. You need to take in account the setting these characters are designed for, personality, etc.

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bruh tf.

Think what you will about TLOU2 (I have my own spicy opinions about it and I don't think all the designs are good), but Ellie's design in particular is fine. She's a young woman who grew up in a zombie apocalypse. She's pretty, but she's not going to be flouncing around in a dress with her knockers popping out. Aerith is also beautiful and a great design, but her beauty is quite literally unnatural.

I'm sorry your perception of female beauty has been so disturbingly warped and you find average looking women "fugly".

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Mild tangent aside, I'm not a fan of how OP worded it and I like my pretty lady bosses much as the next dude, but I agree that it would be nice to see some more fanservice for those that like men. It's very, VERY clear the market is there in the game considering the massive amounts of fanart and love for the male characters in this game.

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Well I never said Ellie was ugly so get your panties out a bunch. I posted this for a comparison of how different designs are from JP devs to Western devs.
If I wanted to post something ugly I would have easily used something else. Goal wasn't to trash western female design, why I picked Ellie because shes the most popular.

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What exactly are you trying to debate here with these two pictures? They do not compare. If you are going to do comparisons in the future you should do it with characters that are applicable.

Who makes you the know it all on this information of what 'gamers' care about, the YouTubers you watch?

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See above. And they certainly do compare since they're made by two different types of devs. JP vs Western character design.
I was using "most" for a reason because I knew someone was gonna get offended some how and come in with the "well you can't speak for me".

I mean, there's many more characters Naughty Dog has designed aside from Ellie. Tess, Marlene, Abby, Elena (my b), Chloe and probably more but these are the few who come into my head (since they hold story importance).

Also this is kinda delving into "anime vs western animation" territory.

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Well I never said Ellie was ugly so get your panties out a bunch. I posted this for a comparison of how different designs are from JP devs to Western devs.
If I wanted to post something ugly I would have easily used something else. Goal wasn't to trash western female design, why I picked Ellie because shes the most popular.


See above. And they certainly do compare since they're made by two different types of devs. JP vs Western character design.
I was using "most" for a reason because I knew someone was gonna get offended some how and come in with the "well you can't speak for me".

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Then why say this

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Stopped making attractive female characters and really only make the males attractive while all the females tend to be pretty freaking fuggly with B cups to make sure its not too sexy because the "NOOO HER BACK WILL HURT" meme.

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and then choose that picture?
It did seem to be your main point.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

Well I never said Ellie was ugly so get your panties out a bunch. I posted this for a comparison of how different designs are from JP devs to Western devs.
If I wanted to post something ugly I would have easily used something else. Goal wasn't to trash western female design, why I picked Ellie because shes the most popular.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

Manly Western Devs. Stopped making attractive female characters and really only make the males attractive while all the females tend to be pretty freaking fuggly with B cups to make sure its not too sexy because the "NOOO HER BACK WILL HURT" meme.

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Posted this. Then posted picture of Ellie as an example of aforementioned western dev's "pretty freaking fuggly with B cups". Literal galaxy brain argument.

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See above. And they certainly do compare since they're made by two different types of devs. JP vs Western character design.
I was using "most" for a reason because I knew someone was gonna get offended some how and come in with the "well you can't speak for me".

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They are two different genres of games. Pull characters out of Japanese horror/survival games and you'll see a lot more drab or average looking characters (see Resident Evil, Siren, Silent Hill). Likewise, pull a fantasy character out of a fantasy Western game and they'll likely be more boxom and beautiful (insert every Western bikini chain mail lady here... like the ladies from WoW).

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I'm not calling who's buying them sexism. I'm calling catering predominantly to that one market segment sexism, because it is.

Did you ever stop to consider that maybe the reason why males make up the majority of gamers (by your definition) is because so many games sexualize females without also sexualizing males? It turns off female and many non-straight male buyers because their own interests aren't represented in like fashion. Balance that out and the game industry will see a surge in multiple title sales to those who aren't straight male, creating even more gamers building game libraries.

Would you stop buying games just because they started adding just as many sexualized male NPCs as they did female? Would you and other straight males somehow feel threatened if male characters started getting the same treatment that female characters get?

It doesn't matter how the genders have been traditionally viewed. Society is changing. What matters is how they should be view going forward.

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I think you're a bit off base there. Gaming appeals to males more because they're about going on quests, of being a hero. Guys are attracted to competition and winning. This has been true since the Atari.

For every game out there that may have one or two female characters that some might consider "sexualized", there are dozens more that don't. Like any of the Super Mario games, Mega Man, the Legend of Zelda series, Gears of War, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc. None of those games have "sexualized" female characters and they're mostly played by dudes. How many girls went out and bought DOOM Eternal on release? If these female characters being "sexualized" are supposedly enough to keep girls from playing the games then why are they being cosplayed?