So what do you think the level cap will be raised to with the expansion pack?

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

I think the patch delays thus far have been attributed to things like developing the PS4 client, the Chinese client, and the DX11 client in sequence. Once everything is finally uniform, I'm sure that the development time between patches will drop.

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Mwuah, we'll have to wait and see I'm sure. However, thus far my general experience with MMO's and game developers in general is that deadlines are usually never met. And if they are, it tends to be done in a rather buggy form simply to end up being patched again a few weeks later. So I'd be surprised to see FF XIV start pushing content patches at 3 months dead on, without compromising quantity and quality of the patches.

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Originally Posted by Fornix

It is. Their intention is every 3 months, but usually it turns into around 110 - 120 days. So somewhere May - June 2015 would be more likely for the expansion pack to his if that pace is kept up. With in that case it still being fresh directly prior to E3 may not be a bad thing either.

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So you're thinking a little before the 2 year anniversary would be the spot? That's a good a mount of time to develop an expansion.

edit: Does any one have a link to information about the direct X 11 client or more information?

+10 Levels would also make the most sense:
SMN example-
50 level break quest?(Possibly repeated every 5 lvls)
50 Levi
55 level break quest?(Possibly repeated every 5 lvls)
55 Ramuh
55 af2 from quest
60 Shiva
60 af2 from quest pt2

with that of course af+1 is the new tomes or whatever crap they decide to use this time around.

but 10 levels may hold players down for a year, but at the rate of completion, the story and the patches till 4.0 will have to be amazing and push the limits of the new lvl and ilvl.

also it seems that the start 3.0 will be the end of the primals included in the story? cant imagine savage primals -.- same fights, boring. so they have to think of new things to add to keep player interest.

but if they added new primals (sad that diabolos, siren, and now fenrir are dungeon bosses:/), then smn (example) have to wait till 4.0s new level cap and hope to attain them.

inb4: world of darkness/3rdcoil leveling parties lol (SCoB T3 infinite mobs?). day 1 60s everywhere and massive Leveling/SB parties while doing it xD

though im sure everything in game will scale down to fit the new lvl and dungeons and stuff lol but i see fate/leve grinding in new zones. kinda like 2.0 fresh

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Originally Posted by Fornix

Mwuah, we'll have to wait and see I'm sure. However, thus far my general experience with MMO's and game developers in general is that deadlines are usually never met. And if they are, it tends to be done in a rather buggy form simply to end up being patched again a few weeks later. So I'd be surprised to see FF XIV start pushing content patches at 3 months dead on, without compromising quantity and quality of the patches.

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Well they certainly have the people necessary to accomplish such a feat and, with FFXIV currently being one of SE's greatest successes in years, they should also have the funding as well.

I think, once the DX11 client actually gets finished, then everyone working on those clients will get reassigned to the content dev teams and speed things up considerably. But as of right now, those clients are acting as a weight on FFXIV's patch release schedule.

What does it matter if they even raise the level cap, you'll still be forced to use the same combos because of the restricted combat system.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

What does it matter if they even raise the level cap, you'll still be forced to use the same combos because of the restricted combat system.

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Yes because new skills and traits certainly don't change how you play your job. I suppose you still use transpose, ignore all procs, and just never put f3 and b3 on your bar.

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

Yes because new skills and traits certainly don't change how you play your job. I suppose you still use transpose, ignore all procs, and just never put f3 and b3 on your bar.

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Can't follow everyone else, gotta be my own wizard.

Just saying they can't new styles of playing the same class, unless they rehaul the system. You can only have hotkey so many abilities.

I can dig it

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Can't follow everyone else, gotta be my own wizard.

Just saying they can't new styles of playing the same class, unless they rehaul the system. You can only have hotkey so many abilities.

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On a cross hotbar, that's 16 hotkeys x 8 hotbar configurations for a total of 128 available hotkeys on a full cross hotbar. I don't think anyone really needs much more than that.

Seriously. The hotkey limit is nowhere near being reached, if a couple new skills makes this game overly complicated for you then an MMO may not be the right type of game for you.
Not to mention traits are important. New abilities can replace older ones and cause significant rotation changes.

You may lack the creativity to think of how new abilities will work, but thankfully, it's not your job to design the game.
Not that SE has shown any significant creativity in the past few patches, but the point stands on principle.

What does it even matter with the open word design philosophy they have?

I would love getting to 60 be something worth celebrating but if it's just facerolling through trash mobs like 1-50 progression then color me disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Didn't mean forever, just said the fact i didn't read that on the link... ^^;
I knew 3.0 should have lv increase. I think, it could be increased to lv100.
Otherwise everyone will cap all jobs on the next day.

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I read 3.0 would have lv increase on the letter from producer

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that's not gonna happen. If they increased lv cap to 100, we'd get 12-13 class skills, 13 traits, 10 job skills/job. that would be 3x the job skills than we already have, and twice the class skills.
it would be kinda bothersome to use that many skills. and it would be boring if it made some old skills, obsolete.
but then again, just raising lv to 60, seems kinda small jump. they will at least add levi/ramuh egis, so minimum lv 60, i'd say.

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

Seriously. The hotkey limit is nowhere near being reached, if a couple new skills makes this game overly complicated for you then an MMO may not be the right type of game for you.
Not to mention traits are important. New abilities can replace older ones and cause significant rotation changes.

You may lack the creativity to think of how new abilities will work, but thankfully, it's not your job to design the game.
Not that SE has shown any significant creativity in the past few patches, but the point stands on principle.

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I see it the same way. New abilities aren't even really what i look forward to with an expansion pack. It's more about the skill it takes to continue to progress through content.

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Originally Posted by Fornix

Back in the old days of MMO's games tended to cap out at 99, 120, 150, or even higher. For newer players this sounded like a steep climb to make, just to get to the fun. And games tended to be left aside.

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We must define "old school" mmos differently. The only mainstream one I can really think of thatstarted with a cap near 100 was lineage. A number of the first mmos were skill based advancement and very different from modern mmos. The first 3d mmos like EQ and DAoC started with lvl cap of 50. A bit later WoW came out with a cap of 60.

In either case levels do not equal content so it matters little to me what number they put on it. The expansion of class abilities/traits is what I want to see. Non gear related character advancement content is my hope regardless of how many levels it is.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

On a cross hotbar, that's 16 hotkeys x 8 hotbar configurations for a total of 128 available hotkeys on a full cross hotbar.

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Until they drop the current hotbar scheme for controllers I think very few people can actually play effectively using every single position on their 8 hotbars. Just remembering where skills are on the 8 hotbars not to mention keeping track of their cooldowns is probably an impossible task for most players. For me personally as a ... let's call it more seasoned ... gamer I can effectively use 8 of those 128 positions, the onse on the right hand keys in the active hotbar. Toggling between hotbars requires finger movements that I am sure I could train but that are completely unnatural and since the left thumb in most fights is on the analogue stick to move then the directional buttons are useless except in periods I know I can stand still. Bring back the 1.23 setup for controllers as well and I will agree with you.

i think the leave is raising by 15 simply because of the summoner, it would gain 3 new ego's and thats assuming each ego is at every 5 leaves so 55 60 and then 65

10 levels. Because when you do it like WoW.. you do it like WoW all the way.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

that's not gonna happen. If they increased lv cap to 100, we'd get 12-13 class skills, 13 traits, 10 job skills/job. that would be 3x the job skills than we already have, and twice the class skills.
it would be kinda bothersome to use that many skills.

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I would assume they would increase the gaps that future class abilities and traits are learned. If you look through all of your class abilities and traits you'll see groups learned within certain level gaps. I expect this process to continue as the cap is raised. From 51-99 (assuming standard FF level cap) I imagine we'll only see 5-7 class skills, 5 traits and then 5-10 job abilities. They may even not give us new job abilities on some levels but upgrade previous ones as a reward for exceptionally challenging solo fights.

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

i think the leave is raising by 15 simply because of the summoner, it would gain 3 new ego's and thats assuming each ego is at every 5 leaves so 55 60 and then 65

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IDK why, but some ppl seem to expect to get 3 new egi's so they can summon every primal. Probably should forget about that happening, before you get disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

IDK why, but some ppl seem to expect to get 3 new egi's so they can summon every primal. Probably should forget about that happening, before you get disappointed.

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Yoshi already stated that we will be getting new egis and that the current ones will be undergoing rebalancing for their addition with the level cap.

Yeah but I'd expect 1 or maybe 2. Yoshi said that he was waiting for the xpac because when SMNs get a new ability others should too. I really highly doubt everyone is going to get 3+ new abilities.
But, who knows. I just think expecting 3 is setting yourself up for disappointment.

Well if they increase it to 60 there's a good chance that we'll get 3 abilities. Potentially 2 job abilities (55 & 60) and potentially 1-2 class abilities (54 & 58) if they stick to the current level gaps in skills.

They could give one of the new summon abilities to ACN so SCH gets another pet. While Lily is just supposed to have the two forms of dusk and dawn it doesn't mean future SCH quests can't find new power to call out Lily as herself in a new form. The other 2 could then go to SMN to give SMN 6 egi's and SCH 3 fairies.

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

i think the leave is raising by 15 simply because of the summoner, it would gain 3 new ego's and thats assuming each ego is at every 5 leaves so 55 60 and then 65

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Maybe even so they can release one expansion as 3.0, and then within 6 months release another expansion pack as 4.0. So we could raise 20 levels in one year as two expansion packs.

As long as they don't do something like... up the level cap to 75 and leave it there for 7 years...

Then jump it up to 99.




Wouldn't that be balls.






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I think it'll be raised by 10. Enough to give each job another slot for cross class. But as the level cap raises, there needs to be more classes to be able to pick skills from.

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Originally Posted by Nevaldus

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/4442...dreams-of-ice/

This site states it will be a potential increase to item level, not level.

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An increase of ilevel we have already with every 2nd main patch. We don't need an epansion pack for this.

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Originally Posted by ShiloEET

I see it the same way. New abilities aren't even really what i look forward to with an expansion pack. It's more about the skill it takes to continue to progress through content.

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hoho...skill...you just need to memorize skill patterns, and move accordingly.
I have ADD, and cleared T9, so...

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Originally Posted by MartaDemireux

I would assume they would increase the gaps that future class abilities and traits are learned. If you look through all of your class abilities and traits you'll see groups learned within certain level gaps. I expect this process to continue as the cap is raised. From 51-99 (assuming standard FF level cap) I imagine we'll only see 5-7 class skills, 5 traits and then 5-10 job abilities. They may even not give us new job abilities on some levels but upgrade previous ones as a reward for exceptionally challenging solo fights.

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i think that's just cause otherwise they wouldn't be able to fit in all the current skills. Also it would be really boring at low lv, if you only got skills every 4 lv.
but i suppose they could add class skills every 5 lv, like with job skills, after 50.
there was a lot of skills in 1.x, that were removed, which they could re-use. also XI has lots of skills. the melee jobs there, had some 13-15 skills, most of which we dont have in XIV. and the casters have like 75+ skills, most of which would be irrelevant in XIV, but ya.
Also, solo content is never exceptionally challenging, in this game :) That's a design choice. They even nerfed lots of content, cause it was oh so hard, and oh so bothersome to use an antidote, to kill a certain gargoyle.
I hope they eventually do add 10-15 more job skills, to expand a bit on their use.

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

IDK why, but some ppl seem to expect to get 3 new egi's so they can summon every primal. Probably should forget about that happening, before you get disappointed.

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why not? Yoshi already said we're getting levi/ramuh, when lv cap goes up.
they are changing the egis though, so it depends on what they are doing with them. But it would be boring if they couldn't eventually summon all the primals; well aside from the elder primals.

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Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

Yeah but I'd expect 1 or maybe 2. Yoshi said that he was waiting for the xpac because when SMNs get a new ability others should too. I really highly doubt everyone is going to get 3+ new abilities.
But, who knows. I just think expecting 3 is setting yourself up for disappointment.

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well since they are going with the equality thing, if SMN gets levi/ramuh, then every other job should get 2 skills as well :) since we get job skills every 5lv, new lv cap will at least be 60, and that will probably include some class skills as well, and traits.

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Originally Posted by ShiloEET

Maybe even so they can release one expansion as 3.0, and then within 6 months release another expansion pack as 4.0. So we could raise 20 levels in one year as two expansion packs.

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I highly doubt that they will release a new xpack, within 6 months. That's not enough time to develop anything major. I'd expect xpacks to come 1-2 years apart.

Raddacci. Do you think that leveling up in a game like this make the player prepared for the Content in Turn 9? or do you need skill from other games outside sources?

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Originally Posted by ShiloEET

Raddacci. Do you think that leveling up in a game like this make the player prepared for the Content in Turn 9? or do you need skill from other games outside sources?

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i think all the content before T9, prepares you for T9.
there's low lv dungeons that introduce you to party play
there's mid lv dungeons, that introduce some mechanics.
high lv dungeons that may have some enrage timer, stacking debuff/buffs, that pushes you a bit.
easymode primals that introduce you to a bit more mechanic driven fights.
blabla
1st coil.
etc.

If you're new to games, and XIV is your first game, then sure, some end game stuff is probably going to be a bit overwhelming, but as long as you just memorize boss rotations, and your own skill rotations, you'll get there.
watching new players, it's usually trying to cope with *all the buttons* that is the biggest challenge....and split second decisions :D
But T9 is probably not the main goal, of someone who's new to gaming.
but yah, i'm probably speaking to much as an experienced gamer.

I'd want it to be level cap 60, but I'm guessing it'll be 55 so SE has to do less work in creating (porting old 1.0) abilities.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

i think all the content before T9, prepares you for T9.
there's low lv dungeons that introduce you to party play
there's mid lv dungeons, that introduce some mechanics.
high lv dungeons that may have some enrage timer, stacking debuff/buffs, that pushes you a bit.
easymode primals that introduce you to a bit more mechanic driven fights.
blabla
1st coil.
etc.

If you're new to games, and XIV is your first game, then sure, some end game stuff is probably going to be a bit overwhelming, but as long as you just memorize boss rotations, and your own skill rotations, you'll get there.
watching new players, it's usually trying to cope with *all the buttons* that is the biggest challenge....and split second decisions :D
But T9 is probably not the main goal, of someone who's new to gaming.
but yah, i'm probably speaking to much as an experienced gamer.

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Hopefully someone helps all noobies get to turn 9. im not new though.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

i think all the content before T9, prepares you for T9.
there's low lv dungeons that introduce you to party play
there's mid lv dungeons, that introduce some mechanics.
high lv dungeons that may have some enrage timer, stacking debuff/buffs, that pushes you a bit.
easymode primals that introduce you to a bit more mechanic driven fights.
blabla
1st coil.
etc.
If you're new to games, and XIV is your first game, then sure, some end game stuff is probably going to be a bit overwhelming, but as long as you just memorize boss rotations, and your own skill rotations, you'll get there.
watching new players, it's usually trying to cope with *all the buttons* that is the biggest challenge....and split second decisions :D
But T9 is probably not the main goal, of someone who's new to gaming.
but yah, i'm probably speaking to much as an experienced gamer.

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Considering the majority of Turns are simply a test of team coordination or DPS checks, I'm not understanding how different it is from the normal dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Mjytresz

Considering the majority of Turns are simply a test of team coordination or DPS checks, I'm not understanding how different it is from the normal dungeon.

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because there's 10 more mechanics to worry about, and a lot less forgiving?
normal dungeons barely need any coordination. you can clear them easily anyway.
it would be immensely difficult to clear coil, without TS/vent/whatever, unless everyone has it on farm already; and even then most groups do it a bit differently, so you get a lot of confusion, if you do some PUG.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

because there's 10 more mechanics to worry about, and a lot less forgiving?
normal dungeons barely need any coordination. you can clear them easily anyway.
it would be immensely difficult to clear coil, without TS/vent/whatever, unless everyone has it on farm already; and even then most groups do it a bit differently, so you get a lot of confusion, if you do some PUG.

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So....it boils down to team coordination and DPS checks? Thanks for verifying.

Remember when Demon Wall spawned bees? Yea, so do I.

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Originally Posted by Mjytresz

So....it boils down to team coordination and DPS checks? Thanks for verifying.

Remember when Demon Wall spawned bees? Yea, so do I.

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yes, and then they removed the bees, and some mobs, and nerfed the damage of all the boss' special attacks.
but it was good intro to raids, since there's lots of stuff like that, in coil.
fireball/conflags, snakes/divebombs, twisters/dreads.
vines/bees/bulb/pollen/bramble/devour.

Uh. So does that mean that the 8-man raids for 3.0 will be balanced enough for anyone to play?

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Originally Posted by ShiloEET

Uh. So does that mean that the 8-man raids for 3.0 will be balanced enough for anyone to play?

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If it is, I expect it not to be an end-game raid.

If Yoshida is saying the expansion is as big as the original content, then I hope the level cap is raised at least 10 levels. I also hope that leaves enough levels for Summoners to get Shiva, Leviathan, and Ramuh egis.