The Monk Temple

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Originally Posted by enil

kukurumei, you really add nothing to the discussion, you keep telling people to not use DoTs/Bootshine and other abilities because its TOO HARD.
Difficulty is entirely subjective, it's not something you can determine for someone else, yes I would recommend a simpler rotation to someone who has problems doing something more optimal or changing the way they fight for the boss but you should always be trying to achieve the maximum dps for each fight especially in a theorycrafting thread. You are telling people to be mediocre because it's too much effort otherwise.

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It looks to me like people wants to slack on their roles and try to make it as global and common as possible (a la "why do you always hit from the side, isn't your class really positional?" - "yeah but every monk is doing these rotations because it doesn't really pay off") so that they're not looked down on / compared to other monks who actually play their class to the fullest :p

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Originally Posted by enil

kukurumei, you really add nothing to the discussion, you keep telling people to not use DoTs/Bootshine and other abilities because its TOO HARD.
Difficulty is entirely subjective, it's not something you can determine for someone else, yes I would recommend a simpler rotation to someone who has problems doing something more optimal or changing the way they fight for the boss but you should always be trying to achieve the maximum dps for each fight especially in a theorycrafting thread. You are telling people to be mediocre because it's too much effort otherwise.

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That's an elitist attitude.

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knowing the dungeon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>skills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rotation.

This thread is about discussing and giving out advice, not be "if you cant be super mnk, don't play mnk" That's bullcrap and gives mnks their rightly deserved bad name.

Since mnks in particular have a large cliff, I'll say it again: 90% of your effectiveness is done simply 1-2-3. So I tell people 1-2-3 it. It works, stop having a bee up your rear. Once you know 1-2-3 works, 3+1 3+2 3+3 comes easily.

If you're doing super mnk, you don't need to be taking advice, but don't expect people to be super mnk or bust.

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Originally Posted by Vektrat

It looks to me like people wants to slack on their roles and try to make it as global and common as possible (a la "why do you always hit from the side, isn't your class really positional?" - "yeah but every monk is doing these rotations because it doesn't really pay off") so that they're not looked down on / compared to other monks who actually play their class to the fullest :p

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How about people actually winning. Who cares if you slack or don't slack or just drunk. Pay attention to cues, do what you are suppose to be doing, and be where you should be. That wins the battle.

All you are boiling down to it is, go big or bust...and in reality, this is game is designed the exact opposite. All you're doing is squeezing out another 10%, that doesn't really make a difference between winning and loosing most of the time.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

That's an elitist attitude.

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knowing the dungeon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>skills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rotation.

This thread is about discussing and giving out advice, not be "if you cant be super mnk, don't play mnk" That's bullcrap and gives mnks their rightly deserved bad name.

How about people actually winning.

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Then you're in the wrong forum, this thread is about discussing and giving advice to MONKS.

Everybody knows that dungeon > rotation > skills (honestly, it's the other way around), but people interested to get better at dungeons will go to the dungeon section.

People is here to maximize MNK performance, yes, it is not the first in the chain, but either they don't care, or either they already know the first one and want to progress further with the following, so let them become better at MNK.

And if they are not here to max MNK performance and just want to get "OK" results, then they will read one of your comments and be happy, but if people is actively asking and pushing to try to go past this slack-phase, then don't try convincing them of the opposite.

Maybe it is just a 2% performance increase (it is actually greater than that), well what if it was? People still wants to reach it. I personally enjoy trying to play ANY class to its maximum, and MNK is no exception regardless of its difficulty, in the end I may fail or not, but I prefer to try than to feel like I'm half-playing the game in a boring way. At least for myself I'm not happy with being an OK monk, I always aim to be an exceptional one.

And let me tell you one thing, you may still be winning by average-performing, but you'd be contributing more if you worked it harder. Things get easier as the team AND INDIVIDUALS gets better at doing stuff, and this is also progress, if you're happy with your team having to carry you, that's ok for me as long as I'm not there. For many, it is not over once you win the encounter, and just out of respect if there's people in your team that feel like this, you should at least not try to turn them into players that aren't happy to aim for the best performance possible, because if they slacked it would still be a win.

It gets a tad bit more complicated at LV 50 when you get Perfect Balance and Dragon Kick

...Why drop any of your Opo-Opo Bonus moves from the rotation? 100% critical hit rates from Bootshine and the 10% blunt resistance decrease are both pretty helpful to your overall DoT. Touch of Death, Demolish, and Fracture are not bad either but It's a priority to make sure you stay in Greased Lightning as best as you can during fights.

So I was doing some "Testing" on a Striking dummy with DoTs Fracture, Demo, and ToD and it seems better to try not to keep them in your rotation. Maybe at the start Frature and Demo was out doing ToD. Now when they crit hit they did ok dmg, but no where near close enough to a crit hit on your other skills so I don't think they are worth using. I was testing them for about 2hrs.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

So I was doing some "Testing" on a Striking dummy with DoTs Fracture, Demo, and ToD and it seems better to try not to keep them in your rotation. Maybe at the start Frature and Demo was out doing ToD. Now when they crit hit they did ok dmg, but no where near close enough to a crit hit on your other skills so I don't think they are worth using. I was testing them for about 2hrs.

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Try to think more deeply ...

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Originally Posted by Arkista

So I was doing some "Testing" on a Striking dummy with DoTs Fracture, Demo, and ToD and it seems better to try not to keep them in your rotation. Maybe at the start Frature and Demo was out doing ToD. Now when they crit hit they did ok dmg, but no where near close enough to a crit hit on your other skills so I don't think they are worth using. I was testing them for about 2hrs.

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Under full buffs I find my Demolish and Fracture ticking for well over 100 damage each, not even counting crits. That alone puts their total damage over any other attack you can do as long as they can tick for their full duration.

Pls monk sayin dont use dots are so stupid... keep those 3 dots up, dont mess up ur GL and you will be fine.

This make no sense. I was testing on dummies. If I use Bootshine in rotation I lose 20-30 DPS.

If I just use Dragon Kick -> Twin Snake -> Snap Punch//Demolish while keeping Fracture and ToD up seem best dps. I have no idea why using True Strike and Bootshine in rotation the parser is giving me DPS loss. Maybe its the time required to reposition?

Opinions?

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Originally Posted by ilJumperMT

This make no sense. I was testing on dummies. If I use Bootshine in rotation I lose 20-30 DPS.

If I just use Dragon Kick -> Twin Snake -> Snap Punch//Demolish while keeping Fracture and ToD up seem best dps. I have no idea why using True Strike and Bootshine in rotation the parser is giving me DPS loss. Maybe its the time required to reposition?

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between bootshine and dragon kick: It's because of the 10% blunt damage debuff you put on the enemy, if it was a few seconds longer you'd might be able to go bs, dk,bs, dk, like demo/snap instead of only dragon kick. However if there is another monk in your group, one of you can keep the dragonkick debuff up, and the other person will also benefit from it and then they can use bootshine instead by piggy backing off the other monk applying the debuff for the most group dps.

between twin snakes and true strike: it's because twin snakes gives +10% to ALL damage, you don't want that thing to fall and it only lasts 12s, if it lasted 6-8s longer, then you can switch between twin and true like you would demo/snap.

and no it doesn't have to do anything with time to reposition which you can easily do within the global cooldown window.

so you want:
DK>twin>demo/snap
BS>twin>demo/snap if in a group with another monk who agreed to be the one applying dragon kick.

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Originally Posted by ilJumperMT

This make no sense. I was testing on dummies. If I use Bootshine in rotation I lose 20-30 DPS.

If I just use Dragon Kick -> Twin Snake -> Snap Punch//Demolish while keeping Fracture and ToD up seem best dps. I have no idea why using True Strike and Bootshine in rotation the parser is giving me DPS loss. Maybe its the time required to reposition?

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I believe the only thing that could make you lose DPS on a Target Dummy while doing the mathematically best rotation (including Bootshine and True Strike), would be you not facing the target while repositioning ("missing" autoattacks), but then again, no clue.

There is no wasted time repositioning if you move while on GCD / you are not far from the new position to start with

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Originally Posted by Zigkid3

between bootshine and dragon kick: It's because of the 10% blunt damage debuff you put on the enemy, if it was a few seconds longer you'd might be able to go bs, dk,bs, dk, like demo/snap instead of only dragon kick. However if there is another monk in your group, one of you can keep the dragonkick debuff up, and the other person will also benefit from it and then they can use bootshine instead by piggy backing off the other monk applying the debuff for the most group dps.

between twin snakes and true strike: it's because twin snakes gives +10% to ALL damage, you don't want that thing to fall and it only lasts 12s, if it lasted 6-8s longer, then you can switch between twin and true like you would demo/snap.

and no it doesn't have to do anything with time to reposition which you can easily do within the global cooldown window.

so you want:
DK>twin>demo/snap
BS>twin>demo/snap if in a group with another monk who agreed to be the one applying dragon kick.

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I was testing on dummies, I used Bootshine when DK debuff was up. I never left DK debuff to ever drop.

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Originally Posted by Vektrat

I believe the only thing that could make you lose DPS on a Target Dummy while doing the mathematically best rotation (including Bootshine and True Strike), would be you not facing the target while repositioning ("missing" autoattacks), but then again, no clue.

There is no wasted time repositioning if you move while on GCD / you are not far from the new position to start with

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I used lock on to make sure I do not miss auto attacks, and I moved during GCD. You can even move during attack animation, the hit place is registered from start of attack animation. You dont need to let it to finish.

This makes absolutely no sense. Mathematically Alternating between DK and Bootshine would be best DPS, but no matter how much testing I do on dummies, just sitting my arse on side ignoring Bootshine is the best DPS I can get....

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Originally Posted by ilJumperMT

This make no sense. I was testing on dummies. If I use Bootshine in rotation I lose 20-30 DPS.

If I just use Dragon Kick -> Twin Snake -> Snap Punch//Demolish while keeping Fracture and ToD up seem best dps. I have no idea why using True Strike and Bootshine in rotation the parser is giving me DPS loss. Maybe its the time required to reposition?

Opinions?

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If you Use BS AND refresh tod AND refresh fracture between 2 DK, you will lose the blunt debuff for a not negligible duration : If you have a low SS rating, you will land a snap punch + a DK + 1-2 AA without the debuff on, it's a loss that BS can't balance.
But there is something else, 20-30 dps loss seems to be way too big.

Also if you have 30% crit (60% with IR), you should not use BS when you're under IR, but I don't think you can reach 30% crit with the actual gear.

For True strike, never use it if you don't have 495+ SS.

Edit : Also, you need to look your crit rate for each test you have done, you are limited by TP, you can't have accurate test, 3-4 mins isn't enough.

Bootshine and dots are most definitely a dps increase. Not sure about true strike since I don't have the skill speed to pull it off.
The parsers are still unreliable, especially when it comes to dots (which it has to simulate anyway). If you can keep up all the buffs/debuffs properly and pull off the rotation(albeit on a training dummy), then there can't be a dps loss.
This is evidence against the parser, not the rotation.

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Originally Posted by ilJumperMT

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How many times did you test?
Crit rates are somewhat random - you would need to repeat the test multiple times or manually normalise crit rates to get accurate data.
Twin snakes buff is only 12 seconds - if you alternate Twin Snakes - True Strike - Twin Snakes and put fracture or ToD in the middle, Twin snakes buff will drop. 10% Damage on 1-2 GCDS + auto attacks is a major loss of damage. Do not use True Strike if you are refreshing fracture/tod.

Similarly DK will drop if you use both fracture and tod in between rotating DK/Bootshine. (15 seconds duration - with 2.00GCD it's 16 seconds to do a full alternating rotation + tod/fracture).

Check your parse - did your bootshine ever not crit - check the amount of autoattacks, maybe you are dropping attacks somehow? Did GL ever drop? etc.
FFXIVAPP still isn't perfect for DoTs.

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Originally Posted by enil

How many times did you test?
Crit rates are somewhat random - you would need to repeat the test multiple times or manually normalise crit rates to get accurate data.
Twin snakes buff is only 12 seconds - if you alternate Twin Snakes - True Strike - Twin Snakes and put fracture or ToD in the middle, Twin snakes buff will drop. 10% Damage on 1-2 GCDS + auto attacks is a major loss of damage. Do not use True Strike if you are refreshing fracture/tod.

Similarly DK will drop if you use both fracture and tod in between rotating DK/Bootshine. (15 seconds duration - with 2.00GCD it's 16 seconds to do a full alternating rotation + tod/fracture).

Check your parse - did your bootshine ever not crit - check the amount of autoattacks, maybe you are dropping attacks somehow? Did GL ever drop? etc.
FFXIVAPP still isn't perfect for DoTs.

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Bootshine is 100% crit...

I tested over 10 times each rotation. It always balanced out after long time (3-5 min per test)

Don't have time to bullshit with the DPS meters but I can tell you as a MNK in full DL and +Relic wep(aka not the greatest gear) on Turn 5 on a non-legacy server, adding in Bootshine and True Strike for every other rotation is a DPS increase. As well as DOTs(ToD/Demolish) which play important roles in some boss fights. Have to switch to an add? Get the timing down and apply your DOTs before the add spawns. Don't want to pull threat on the add? Apply DOTs to give the tank enough time to get his enmity high enough. Your goal as a MNK is to constantly move your chain 24/7, so never stop attacking EVER. DoTs should really be up as often as possible and you should always be moving your chain 24/7, it helps with GL stacks never failing during boss fights while you're moving around. Fracture is cool but for long fights like Turn 4 in the Coil its not worth using since you already TP drained during AoE phases WITH a TP song up during that.

After playing a DRG to 41, SMN/BLM to 50, WAR is 38(will be my next 50) then most likely the DRG and bitching about MNKs greased lightning stacks. I honestly think its perfect fine, maybe a 3sec increase to make it less annoying. I just learned to ignore it for the must part and just try to keep attacking 24/7, of course you want to time your CDs with it but aside from that just ignore to keep your sanity. Focus on learning boss mechanics and watching threat, everything else will fall in order. I have grown to love MNK again after hating it for a week. Anything that doesn't move your chain is probably not worth using 90% of the time expect for ToD.

As a mnk you have to use bootshine. You are giving up a ton of dps if you aren't. Don't oversimplify a job because you find it complicated. Seek to learn it properly.

Heres advice: 95% of your time is spent on the mobs flank. When you go to use bootshine or ts on rear, it should be one motion. By the time the animation is done you should be back at the flank. Make it one fluid move from flank to rear to flank. You don't have to come to a dead stop to use those rear skills.

I just discover that with low SS, if you use true strike, even if the twin snake fade out before your second twin snake hit, the +10% buff affect it anyway.
It's better than i thought but adding 1/2 ID in your rotation is still better than using True Strike, except if you're low TP.

I love and hate monk lol.

After reading various pages, it seems that True Strike isn't to be used until a certain gear level or SkSp level. So Twin will be used at all times until then?
At 45, I've been putting Dots up first then working into rotation weaving ToD/Fracture/Demo as I went. Since I don't have DK yet, at 50, would it be more wise to dot up first? or get Twin/IR/etc and mob debuffed then dot them and work from there?

edit: Also I haven't noticed, but do we have any sort of Stat weights to aim for?

Obviously STR is our prime stat, but what of Crit/det/SkSp/accy, etc..

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Originally Posted by Shyle

After reading various pages, it seems that True Strike isn't to be used until a certain gear level or SkSp level. So Twin will be used at all times until then?
At 45, I've been putting Dots up first then working into rotation weaving ToD/Fracture/Demo as I went. Since I don't have DK yet, at 50, would it be more wise to dot up first? or get Twin/IR/etc and mob debuffed then dot them and work from there?

edit: Also I haven't noticed, but do we have any sort of Stat weights to aim for?

Obviously STR is our prime stat, but what of Crit/det/SkSp/accy, etc..

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A good number to aim for regarding Skill Speed is 491 and a accuracy of 480 for Coil of Bahamut. As for crit and determination, I always favor the former and treat determination as a supplemental stat on the gear.

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Originally Posted by Shyle

After reading various pages, it seems that True Strike isn't to be used until a certain gear level or SkSp level. So Twin will be used at all times until then?
At 45, I've been putting Dots up first then working into rotation weaving ToD/Fracture/Demo as I went. Since I don't have DK yet, at 50, would it be more wise to dot up first? or get Twin/IR/etc and mob debuffed then dot them and work from there?

edit: Also I haven't noticed, but do we have any sort of Stat weights to aim for?

Obviously STR is our prime stat, but what of Crit/det/SkSp/accy, etc..

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- I only bother with True Strike when I fancy it or when I can't reach the mob's flank for whatever reason (i.e. Demon Wall). Uninterrupted I can usually come back around to and use Twin Snakes again right as the buff is falling off. There's relatively little harm in just using Twin Snakes full time. The damage gained from not losing the buff outweighs the slight amount of damage lost from the potency difference between Twin and True.

- If the target will live long enough (and they'll receive the full duration!) it's usually best to wait until stack 2 or 3 of GL before applying and maintaining your DoTs. If the target goes immune frequently (such as Ifrit HM) it's best to put up your DoTs earlier than usual.

- I've never really seen agreed upon, set in stone, stat weights. However, accuracy is first and foremost, but base accuracy seems to be more than enough until Coils in which case I've heard the magic number for 100% hit rate is around 470 (which is easily obtainable with Darklight). After that Crit, Skill Speed, and Determination seem to be more personal preference than anything.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

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Awesome Thx for the info :)

Is BS suppose to be a 100% Crit Hit behind the target every time?

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Originally Posted by Arkista

Is BS suppose to be a 100% Crit Hit behind the target every time?

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In the first Stance/Opo Opo yes its a 100% crit chance which makes its a HUGE DPS increase in your rotation. True Strike only gets 5% from the back which is kinda meh but you get a 10 potency increase of Twin Snakes no matter what position,

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Originally Posted by Arkista

Is BS suppose to be a 100% Crit Hit behind the target every time?

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Only during Opo-opo stance, so only after your initial cycle. The same goes for Dragon Kick's debuff. Because neither skill will receive their stance bonus at the start it's always better to open with Dragon Kick due to the potency difference, at least provided you can flank the enemy.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Only during Opo-opo stance, so only after your initial cycle. The same goes for Dragon Kick's debuff. Because neither skill will receive their stance bonus at the start it's always better to open with Dragon Kick due to the potency difference, at least provided you can flank the enemy.

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except during perfect balance, where every form bonus is active at all times.

Some mnks use balance to instantly GL3, but I prefer to use it on bursts most of the time. Rock breaker spam can clean a phase really quickly in some cases.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

As a mnk you have to use bootshine. You are giving up a ton of dps if you aren't. Don't oversimplify a job because you find it complicated. Seek to learn it properly.

Heres advice: 95% of your time is spent on the mobs flank. When you go to use bootshine or ts on rear, it should be one motion. By the time the animation is done you should be back at the flank. Make it one fluid move from flank to rear to flank. You don't have to come to a dead stop to use those rear skills.

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Theroically yes, but Boot is a huge liability on endgame, as oppose to spamming DK, which is really good, and even better on certain bosses (-10int)
1: Rear is dangerous, dangerous, and more dangerous
2: Moving target, flank has 2 sides, rear has 1.
3: Monsters and their 180 turns. You'll quickly notice a lot of boss/monsters will do 180-ignore-tank-turn to do skills
4: You are loosing 4seconds of Internal Release when you boot in your rotation

(this isn't to mention that as flank, you can run through a boss, east to west to avoid certain...skills, but cutting a boss back to front is sucidal)

DK is...just better. Boot has its moments, but unless you have a monster that is rear friendly...I wan to be as far away from rear as possible.

I don't think the rear is as dangerous as people make it out to be on endgame. All tail swipe moves have a cooldown on the boss and it's pretty safe.

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Originally Posted by Risbyn

I don't think the rear is as dangerous as people make it out to be on endgame. All tail swipe moves have a cooldown on the boss and it's pretty safe.

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Depends how good well your window timing is, and how much lag you can afford. Not to mention your own skill rotation, and movements of pt members.

Nothing worse then a tank, that runs through the boss and straight at you with a swipe.
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Or you could be in flank

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Depends how good well your window timing is, and how much lag you can afford. Not to mention your own skill rotation, and movements of pt members.

Nothing worse then a tank, that runs through the boss and straight at you with a swipe.
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Or you could be in flank

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I guess... maybe it's just a pug thing? I've never had any issue with any tail swipe in my FC runs of Coil/AK. If anything, the tanks like that I proc Turn 1 boss tail swipes to relieve some of the damage because he takes time to cast the tail swipe.

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Originally Posted by Risbyn

I guess... maybe it's just a pug thing? I've never had any issue with any tail swipe in my FC runs of Coil/AK. If anything, the tanks like that I proc Turn 1 boss tail swipes to relieve some of the damage because he takes time to cast the tail swipe.

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Pug, but even good tanks do that(you will have to ask the tanks why). If they move to my flank, I just cut through to the opposite flank with no lost. (since most bosses are rectangular it's a short cut through)

And the lag..omg the lag, that red line is nowhere near and you can still get hit. Expect the worse, and everything becomes pleasant.

I will usually push it when I things are good, but I wouldn't stay in rear for one more second then necessary.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Pug, but even good tanks do that(you will have to ask the tanks why). If they move to my flank, I just cut through to the opposite flank with no lost. (since most bosses are rectangular it's a short cut through)

And the lag..omg the lag, that red line is nowhere near and you can still get hit. Expect the worse, and everything becomes pleasant.

I will usually push it when I things are good, but I wouldn't stay in rear for one more second then necessary.

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Ah, I get what you're saying. I can see the lag being an issue.

He only wants to slack and be mediocre which i'm ok with it, but he should stop trying to spread his mediocrity to other potential awesome mnks. There shouldn't be any case where you want to skip your BS if your DK buff( or debuf :p ) is up.

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Originally Posted by Pere

He only wants to slack and be mediocre which i'm ok with it, but he should stop trying to spread his mediocrity to other potential awesome mnks. There shouldn't be any case where you want to skip your BS if your DK buff( or debuf :p ) is up.

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Despite your attitude towards adapting to circumstances, at least I have shifted the conversation from "Do this" to "slacking". A far better denunciation, because you can't claim failure of a run.

If it gets more Monks past dungeons, I did my job. When they get half a dozen runs under their belts you will glad they're not "lazy" any longer.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Theroically yes, but Boot is a huge liability on endgame

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Its not. You keep saying this but its not. The only thing I haven't done is coil. Everything from noob dungeons to Titan HM (ive cleared Titan, no unnecessary hits) I can bootshine everything with no problem. Ak boss? Bootshine. In fact I can bootshine *after* he starts his rear aoe and *still* make it out in time. Same goes for Chimera/Hydra you name it. It takes all of a half second to bootshine. I dont even stop running when i bootshine. I bootshine while running and finish my animation at the flank I started from. Thats how you're *supposed* to do it.

The only place you cant use bootshine is demon wall. There's no excuse to not use it. 100% crit is *huge* dps increase. Dragon Kick is really only for debuff refresh.

EDIT: Ive *never* ever ever been hit using bootshine. So I have a hard time understanding why you keep thinking its a liability.

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Originally Posted by Spythe

In the first Stance/Opo Opo yes its a 100% crit chance which makes its a HUGE DPS increase in your rotation. True Strike only gets 5% from the back which is kinda meh but you get a 10 potency increase of Twin Snakes no matter what position,

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Well then my BS is broken because I don't always get a Crit Hit, Even when i'm testing on the striking dummy.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

Well then my BS is broken because I don't always get a Crit Hit, Even when i'm testing on the striking dummy.

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Then that means you weren't in Opo-opo stance. The bonus doesn't work on an opening even if you're under the effect of Perfect Balance (though that does let Dragon Kick immediately apply its debuff, which is weird).

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Despite your attitude towards adapting to circumstances, at least I have shifted the conversation from "Do this" to "slacking". A far better denunciation, because you can't claim failure of a run.

If it gets more Monks past dungeons, I did my job. When they get half a dozen runs under their belts you will glad they're not "lazy" any longer.

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I'd rather wipe 3-5 times with a mnk that wants to play properly than clear it first time with a lazy monk like you, in fact, when vote kick is introduced if i see any mnk doing what you claim is the best i will kick him because i think it is a disrepect to your party to not use the best combination when it takes 2 seconds to do it and no effort at all.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Then that means you weren't in Opo-opo stance. The bonus doesn't work on an opening even if you're under the effect of Perfect Balance (though that does let Dragon Kick immediately apply its debuff, which is weird).

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Ok I thought that when you have GL up you are in Opo-opo form at all times until it falls? If not then that would be why it doesn't always Crit hit for me. Only reason I think that you are in Opo form at all times when GL is kept up is that AoTD bonus is Silence which in Turn 2 of coils I use a lot and always see it proc.