#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Auteur

Because it is in SE's interest to avoid single points of failure in the "casual" or regular MSQ content that everyone has to go through. The healer is the redundancy for DPS and tank. The second DPS is also the redundancy for the first DPS because of no enrage timer. With the exception of RDM/summ rez, there is no redundancy for a healer. Therefore healer is the most likely the one to get the "axe" in terms of complexity or stakes because SE's primary goal for MSQ or "casual" content is accessibility. Again, Wildstar was not economically viable and complexity does not work for the baseline "casual" content; it just doesn't sell or retain.

I think for SE to be comfortable taking the guard rails off healer for MSQ content, every DPS class and tank would have to be given a resurrection ability. Sounds extreme, but this means that healer has a natural redundancy built in now (where healer otherwise is the sole role that does not have a redundancy), and then the concerns about healer being single point of failure are lessened. If anything, the "strike promoters" should be arguing everyone gets a rez so SE feels more comfortable of lowering the healer guardrails.

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Eh, disagree on the second healer not being redundant, good healers can solo heal all content, even ultimates.

Because there's no limit to how many people you can hit with an AoE heal (Well, besides how many people you can have in your party) if you can heal 4 people, you can heal 8. It especially becomes less of a problem when people aren't getting blasted by failing mechanics constantly.

It's especially less of an issue if you're playing AST/WHM because god forbid you run out of OGCD heals you can just use Medica/Aspected Helios once, and because of how infrequent damage is in 99% of content the regen does all the heavy lifting for you.

The second healer is just there to make healing easier, and honestly because of how bad most healers are at letting regens do their work you can just ignore healing the party entirely if you're a second healer. For some reason DF healers have gotta keep that overheal% above 150% and pop big cooldowns at even the slightest scratch or scrape.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Finally this will sound harsh, but if healing is too much responsibility choose another role. It comes with the healing territory and it’s why a lot of healers love the role. It’s not to just watch my team while dead and no one can rez me and think “thank god I don’t need to even be here!”

I don’t play tank much because I don’t like those responsibilities. They stress me out. I’m not asking them to make tanking not needed so I can play it and not have any pressure.

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This is trying to have it both ways for MSQ. Again, the MMO industry tried a game with high stakes for everybody for even baseline content in Wildstar and it failed miserably. Healer is a mandatory role queue for MSQ. You can't be arguing on the one hand to place the stakes on healer high, which can deter people, while at the same time arguing "if you can't handle it then go play another class." That's how you promote a skewed role queue combination for baseline content and QOL issues for everybody due to lack of interest in playing healer due to vote kicking/player frustration/single point of failure issues (again Wildstar tried to up the stakes and place high stress on everybody, and it failed miserably).

Tank and healer both have the problem as mandatory role queues that the MMO industry has to balance complexity while avoiding single point of failure and player retention problems. One of the answers I proposed is creating the redundancy for the healer by giving every single other class a resurrection. The person who claimed tank does not have a redundancy is technically incorrect due to the presence of healer LB3 in raids and in theory a healer could raise and keep the party up just long enough in MSQ content to allow the party to recover (again, we are using MSQ as the baseline here and not savage/extreme). If you give the healer the redundancy of everyone has a rez, and healer is currently the only role without a redundancy, you have a better argument that SE no longer needs to maintain the guardrails for healer relative to the other roles. I think people are discounting how important redundancy is in game design here and one of the fundamental flaws with healer is that healer is the only role without redundancy.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

This is trying to have it both ways for MSQ. Again, the MMO industry tried a game with high stakes for everybody for even baseline content in Wildstar and it failed miserably. Healer is a mandatory role queue for MSQ. You can't be arguing on the one hand to place the stakes on healer high, which can deter people, while at the same time arguing "if you can't handle it then go play another class." That's how you promote a skewed role queue combination for baseline content.

Tank and healer both have the problem as mandatory role queues that the MMO industry has to balance complexity while avoiding single point of failure and player retention problems. One of the answers I proposed is creating the redundancy for the healer by giving every single other class a resurrection. The person who claimed tank does not have a redundancy is technically incorrect due to the presence of healer LB3 in raids and in theory a healer could raise and keep the party up just long enough in MSQ content to allow the party to recover (again, we are using MSQ as the baseline here and not savage/extreme). If you give the healer the redundancy of everyone has a rez, and healer is currently the only role without a redundancy, you have a better argument that SE no longer needs to maintain the guardrails for healer relative to the other roles. I think people are discounting how important redundancy is in game design here and one of the fundamental flaws with healer is that healer is the only role without redundancy.

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You have been told no less than 3 times you can finish the msq with trusts if you can’t handle those dungeons. This is available to all roles.

Healers are already less common in every mmo I’ve played. It’s why most of a party is filled by non healers. Healers are unpopular in XIV because they are boring. The msq for healers is easy as F so that didn’t work.

Most players of games like challenge and find fulfillment out of not just being barely competent, but good. Learning and overcoming challenge.

There is a middle ground between hardcore and what xiv is.

I have an issue with the mentality that games should provide no challenge and players should face no hurdles whatsoever. Failing with terrible players should happen and then those terrible players can get better and be happy when they clear something.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

This is trying to have it both ways for MSQ. Again, the MMO industry tried a game with high stakes for everybody for even baseline content in Wildstar and it failed miserably.

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Stop bringing up Wildstar, that game died because it had a terrible, bug filled launch moreso then anything else. I know cause I was there.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

This is trying to have it both ways for MSQ. Again, the MMO industry tried a game with high stakes for everybody for even baseline content in Wildstar and it failed miserably.

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No, Wildstar failed because its devs built a "raid-or-die" MMO and then made the raids require 40 people.

People who have played WoW Classic realized that, with the better understanding of the game mechanics that WoW players have now, the old 40-man raids from Vanilla were never actually all that difficult. The hardest part was just getting 40 people together on one night.

There were high stakes for healers in WoW back during what its players unanimously agree were its glory days: Burning Crusade and Wrath. Those were the days of Heroic dungeons where parties had to watch for patrols, and every pull involved multiple pre-planned uses of CC. And yet, things still got cleared by non-raiders. Huh.

And there were high stakes for healers in FF14 back during what its players unanimously agree were its (mechanical) glory days: HW and SB. Those were the days of Cleric Stance, and multiple DoTs to juggle, and AST's old card system, and needing to Esuna WARs when they used Berserk. And yet, things still got cleared by non-raiders. Huh.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

The person who claimed tank does not have a redundancy is technically incorrect due to the presence of healer LB3 in raids and in theory a healer could raise and keep the party up just long enough in MSQ content to allow the party to recover (again, we are using MSQ as the baseline here and not savage/extreme).

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You say that healer jobs aren't allowed the slightest bit of complexity because lil' babby heawers need to be carried through the MSQ uwu. And then you turn around and argue "well asckslhuallyyly, tanks have a redundancy because LB3, which is only available in raids and not MSQ dungeons."

Pick a lane already.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I have an issue with the mentality that games should provide no challenge and players should face no hurdles whatsoever. Failing with terrible players should happen and then those terrible players can get better and be happy when they clear something.

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This is more of a complaint about society and general gaming industry trends. My personal opinion is that the mainstream gaming industry (and ff14 with SE is in the mainstream camp imo) has leaned towards instant gratification, "participation" trophies, appealing to lowest common denominator (get people their clears through baseline story and don't gatekeep, ex we will never see an OG steps of faith ever again) because that is what sells and that is the economic world we live in. Gamers on this forum and on reddit are a minority and imo the "silent majority" is what SE wants to appeal to because that's where the money is and the market has spoken.

I think on the other end SE acknowledges the decreasing amount of patience higher end gamers have (I want to clear this now and zero tolerance for players making mistakes, get out of my queue) and that also leads SE to the same conclusion of "reducing the baseline" because the corporate perception of higher end gamers is that they scare away the silent majority of customers and they actually become a detriment to player retention as a whole. Consider why PvP MMOs never gone mainstream and League of Legends in the West has a constant player retention/toxicity discussion.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

This is more of a complaint about society and general gaming industry trends. My personal opinion is that the mainstream gaming industry (and ff14 with SE is in the mainstream camp imo) has leaned towards instant gratification, "participation" trophies, appealing to lowest common denominator (get people their clears through baseline story and don't gatekeep, ex we will never see an OG steps of faith ever again) because that is what sells and that is the economic world we live in. Gamers on this forum and on reddit are a minority and imo the "silent majority" is what SE wants to appeal to because that's where the money is and the market has spoken.

I think on the other end SE acknowledges the decreasing amount of patience higher end gamers have (I want to clear this now and zero tolerance for players making mistakes, get out of my queue) and that also leads SE to the same conclusion of "reducing the baseline" because the corporate perception of higher end gamers is that they scare away the silent majority of customers and they actually become a detriment to player retention as a whole. Consider why PvP MMOs never gone mainstream and League of Legends in the West has a constant player retention/toxicity discussion.

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And it’s unfortunate. In older mmos difficulty created communities. Everyone knew who the good healers were and the good tanks and the good dps and you wanted them on your friend list. Xiv participation trophy gameplay we are all interchangeable nobodies. Probably great for business but to me it’s just inferior.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

And it’s unfortunate. In older mmos difficulty created communities. Everyone knew who the good healers were and the good tanks and the good dos and you wanted them on your friend list. Xiv participation trophy gameplay we are all interchangeable nobodies. Probably great for business but to me it’s just inferior.

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The pugslinger guy name calling is missing my points entirely and being too emotional. I'm trying to offer my analysis from the business side and corporate line of thinking as to WHY this is happening and what a proposed solution would be. I did the OG steps of faith back in the day pre-nerf and tried Alexander savage prenerf. However, I care about new player retention and having played mostly PvP mmos over the years that have been axed and quit League of Legends myself, I "faced the music" myself in acknowledging economics and needing to appeal to as many people as possible for current MMO design and that is what it is. I really think a lot of the "pro strikers" in this thread are missing the importance of redundancy in game design and the win-win solution is to address healer's lack of redundancy by giving everyone a rez.

What people need to realize is SE puts the guardrails on healer because healer is the one role without a redundancy in MSQ and therefore is exposed to highest "single point of failure" and player retention issues that come with that (ex: vote kick threats from frustration, risk of not clearing, etc.). DPS and tank both can rely on a good healer as a redundancy in MSQ along with the lack of enrage timer meaning the 2 DPS are backups to each other. To solve this issue, give everyone a rez or allow everyone to use a rez item (ex: phoenix feather) and healer suddenly now has a redundancy and SE can feel comfortable removing the absolute guardrails on healer.

In other games they balance "everyone has a rez" by tracking the number of rezzes during an instance (basically a global amount of lives and cap it) so that's how you balance the difficulty for higher end. Allow everyone to use a rez item but track number of rezzes and use that as a way to promote difficulty in higher end instances or perhaps lets say the last trial of a MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

I think the reality folks need to acknowledge is MSQ content has to appeal to the lowest common denominator to maintain player retention because everyone would have to go through it to progress the story.

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No, the MSQ has little to no bearing on player retention as it's not the main gameplay loop. Once you complete the MSQ, it's over. However, the DF experience is far more relevant to those metrics, and right now their brain-dead simplicity is actually doing more harm to player retention than the MSQ ever could prevent.

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Consider that with no enrage timer, a dps could play with the most "boring" or suboptimal way possible of just spamming one skill over and over without doing rotations, and you could eventually get the clear with the other party members playing "optimally." Again, the "strike promoters" have a more credible argument about higher end content (ex: very fair concern if healer is deemed not necessary for HM or extremes), but this discussion should be separated from MSQ and the practical reality MSQ really does have to appeal to the lowest common denominator (and high end raiders are not exposed to this reality because they don't deal with pug queues ever, and are basically out of touch with regular players at this point).

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Most players never step foot into higher end content. Claiming we have to have a subpar, or even 'braindead' experience so that we don't unsub is kind of.. backwards?

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Originally Posted by Auteur

The pugslinger guy name calling is missing my points entirely and being too emotional. I'm trying to offer my analysis from the business side and corporate line of thinking as to WHY this is happening and what a proposed solution would be. I did the OG steps of faith back in the day pre-nerf and tried Alexander savage prenerf. However, I care about new player retention and having played mostly PvP mmos over the years that have been axed and quit League of Legends myself, I "faced the music" myself in acknowledging economics and needing to appeal to as many people as possible for current MMO design and that is what it is. I really think a lot of the "pro strikers" in this thread are missing the importance of redundancy in game design and the win-win solution is to address healer's lack of redundancy by giving everyone a rez.

What people need to realize is SE puts the guardrails on healer because healer is the one role without a redundancy in MSQ and therefore is exposed to highest "single point of failure" and player retention issues that come with that (ex: vote kick threats from frustration, risk of not clearing, etc.). DPS and tank both can rely on a good healer as a redundancy in MSQ along with the lack of enrage timer meaning the 2 DPS are backups to each other. To solve this issue, give everyone a rez or allow everyone to use a rez item (ex: phoenix feather) and healer suddenly now has a redundancy and SE can feel comfortable removing the absolute guardrails on healer.

In other games they balance "everyone has a rez" by tracking the number of rezzes during an instance (basically a global amount of lives and cap it) so that's how you balance the difficulty for higher end. Allow everyone to use a rez item but track number of rezzes and use that as a way to promote difficulty in higher end instances or perhaps lets say the last trial of a MSQ.

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you aren’t getting the response you want because you are arguing with a strawman none of us is saying

We are fine not being the single point of failure in the party. We don’t want the healer role to dictate the entirety of the dungeon (or whatever casual content). I physically cannot say this anymore (literally look up my past 01029510692069 posts on this issue and they will all say the same thing) RAISE THE CEILING NOT THE FLOOR.

If x person needs 1010593 guide rails to play healer FINE, they can have them, but for those of us who don’t need those guide rails you need to give us something to do that’s not broil spam, this is the long and short of the argument, healers are BORING and that’s totally independent of redundancy in resurrection

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

you aren’t getting the response you want because you are arguing with a strawman none of us is saying

We are fine not being the single point of failure in the party. We don’t want the healer role to dictate the entirety of the dungeon (or whatever casual content). I physically cannot say this anymore (literally look up my past 01029510692069 posts on this issue and they will all say the same thing) RAISE THE CEILING NOT THE FLOOR.

If x person needs 1010593 guide rails to play healer FINE, they can have them, but for those of us who don’t need those guide rails you need to give us something to do that’s not broil spam, this is the long and short of the argument, healers are BORING and that’s totally independent of redundancy in resurrection

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To use your allegory then what I'm saying is you won't be able to convince SE to raise the ceiling unless you could guarantee the floor won't drop. Alternatively, you change the paradigm to "harden" the floor (ex: give everyone a rez but introduce a different difficulty down the line like capping the number of rezzes in an instance) to reduce the singular pressure on a healer. I will also say other people in this thread are saying things like "I don’t think healers need this redundancy. I think it’s fine they might get kicked if their bad gameplay prevents progress" and wanting higher stakes for healers. This will not convince SE in my opinion, this goes against their paramount goal of overall player retention and majority rule. You would have to convince SE the floor won't move or the floor would clearly increase before they will consider moving the ceiling up.

Even if it makes money, games that appeal to the lowest common denominator constantly are bad and it's fine to criticize. Everyone deserves better than broil spam. You can even make a game where one person can spam broil and make it through the dungeon and I can have a more fun rotation and make it through 1-2 minutes faster.

The only "issue" would be someone whining that they can't do the rotation and therefore also clear MSQ content slightly faster and then I would look at them funny because it isn't necessary to clear the content comfortably. Give me room to express myself as a player and simultaneously give other players the freedom to take it easy. These are not incompatible ideas as long as they are implemented correctly. And I'm not going to be offended by a healer sticking to broil spam if it gets the job done as much as I wouldn't be offended by them having to drop DPS to power heal for a moment.

Are we worried people will be mad at a healer for being able to do a slightly more optimal rotation for damage output and watching them choose to broil spam anyways? Because I think that's a player problem and not a game design problem. The game should not be catered to prevent accidentally offending people.

I haven't played a job I didn't like in this game really, in any role, but I haven't found many jobs I love. BLU is some of the most fun I'm seemingly allowed to have and it's relegated to side content.

I don't care if the Tank and DPSes have flexible options that break role stereotypes and allow them to function without healing. I want that kind of thing. I love that WAR can heal itself so much. I want to have something to do when that's happening and healing DPSes from guaranteed damage isn't that. But I also think the content should allow you to get by with broil spam if it makes you happy.

I don't need anything to be harder for anyone else, I need my job to be stimulating enough of my own accord to choose to be able to do something other than broil spam with no outside reasoning or pressure to do so other than "it would be fun" and be rewarded with a little more damage that isn't necessary to clear.

The only players who I'm tired of aren't casual, midcore, or hardcore but people who can't mind their own business. If you play DPS because you think it's more fun then go buzz off and play DPS and let me yell about healing. I think YOUR role, that I also play, should be more interesting and also leave you to enjoy your current gameplay if so desired.

I don't want to get to current expac gameplay or play harder optional content just to feel something. I want to get you through queue times so you can have fun playing DPS however you want to play it. When I do old content in roulette, all I hear is that it's boring for DPS players and that we need to do it as fast as possible. Skip every chest, don't pull that mob. "I only have 1 GCD at this level, I'm booored." Really? That's crazy.

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Originally Posted by gllt

I don't want to get to current expac gameplay or play harder optional content just to feel something. I want to get you through queue times so you can have fun playing DPS however you want to play it. When I do old content in roulette, all I hear is that it's boring for DPS players and that we need to do it as fast as possible. Skip every chest, don't pull that mob. "I only have 1 GCD at this level, I'm booored." Really? That's crazy.

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"Wait, other jobs get more than 1 GCD? All I have is Stone/Glare all the way to 100!"

If any DPS ever complained about not having any options to use in combat in low level content, I'd love to remind them healer's get their full rotation at level 4 and it doesn't really change for the next 96 levels.

I will also add once more that a Class can be easy but not boring. But Yoshida already confessed they overdid it with the simplification. We can hope that the strike rises awareness enough that when the change happens it will make everyone happy.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

To use your allegory then what I'm saying is you won't be able to convince SE to raise the ceiling unless you could guarantee the floor won't drop. Alternatively, you change the paradigm to "harden" the floor (ex: give everyone a rez but introduce a different difficulty down the line like capping the number of rezzes in an instance) to reduce the singular pressure on a healer. I will also say other people in this thread are saying things like "I don’t think healers need this redundancy. I think it’s fine they might get kicked if their bad gameplay prevents progress" and wanting higher stakes for healers. This will not convince SE in my opinion, this goes against their paramount goal of overall player retention and majority rule. You would have to convince SE the floor won't move or the floor would clearly increase before they will consider moving the ceiling up.

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The floor is literally at the bottom of the Mariana Trench because a healer can be dead while the boss has 70% HP left and you can still clear the dungeon without issue. The only way that the skill floor can get any lower is if they introduce auto play at this point and trusts aren't that far off from doing just that.

It feels like a disease: this inability to differentiate optimization with expectation that plagues FFXIV. There has never been an epidemic of casual players being walled by any example of core content (content associated with story) ever in FFXIV's lifespan except for Coils of Bahamut. The most casual of casual players were able to do the MSQ in the notorious Heavensward. They would certainly be able to do so having a few extra attacks and having to heal the party every 20-30 seconds instead of every 40-60 seconds.

Honestly has any Job improved this expansion?
There really doesn't seem to be any old jobs that got better all I see is complaints by other players.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

Let my game be a film, I don't want to push buttons.

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How about... em... no ?

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Honestly has any Job improved this expansion?
There really doesn't seem to be any old jobs that got better all I see is complaints by other players.

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Viper and picto and some other dps job got improvement.

Healers and tanks suffer

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Originally Posted by Tunda

Viper and picto and some other dps job got improvement.

Healers and tanks suffer

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Uhm not really BLM is objectively worse now. I heard SAM has had some major issues in non-boss encounters and my friend told me Machinist feels worse too.

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

I will also add once more that a Class can be easy but not boring. But Yoshida already confessed they overdid it with the simplification. We can hope that the strike rises awareness enough that when the change happens it will make everyone happy.

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I still think the best way for the developers to become fully aware of the state of Healers would be to get them to play through the entirety of the game as a healer, from character creation to the end of DT. The most being allowed for other roles would be ACN to 30 for SCH.

I don't think Healers aside from AST would have stayed roughly the same for the entirety of ShB, EW and now DT if the people in charge of making the Jobs actually played the game.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Uhm not really BLM is objectively worse now. I heard SAM has had some major issues in non-boss encounters and my friend told me Machinist feels worse too.

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No one you mentioned is worst than the current status of healers and tanks

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Originally Posted by Tunda

No one you mentioned is worst than the current status of healers and tanks

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I agree.

As gimped people seems to tell it is now, BLM is still a great improvement in terms of fun and utility over WHM.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

The floor is literally at the bottom of the Mariana Trench because a healer can be dead while the boss has 70% HP left and you can still clear the dungeon without issue. The only way that the skill floor can get any lower is if they introduce auto play at this point and trusts aren't that far off from doing just that.

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Pretty much...
Actually, I recently tried to do dungeons without a healer (sync of course) and you barelly see any real différence in the entire experience ! It's not only doable, it's pretty much the exact same experience, aka easy ! No special strategy or coordination required, can 2-packs no problem, etc...
Of course, the tank has to manage his cooldowns though...

I played Paladin and I had 3 DPS with me.
I did "The Vault", "Tower of Zott" (hardest dungeon of all Endwalker) and "Tower of Babil", each one with a different group of people. Result of the test : not a single wipe and only 2 deaths in total (because of mistakes).

But wait, it gets worse.
I did another experience after that where I launched a sync level 90 dungeon SOLO. No other player, no trusts ! And it appeared to be doable too !!
It's just very long and tedious, and you have to run a little to keep up with the timer, but it works !!

Paladins are sooo broken and indestructible it's insane !
As a consequence, healers are totally useless in the main content (because yes : dungeons are the main content, and as such they are supposed to be enjoyable in some sort by anyone, including main-healers !)

EDIT : and about "auto-play" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlc-QtQxGys

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Originally Posted by Auteur

The attitude of the "strike promoters" is just elitist or mostly out of touch in my opinion.

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The attitude of the "strike detractors" is just elitist or mostly out of touch in my opinion.

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It's fascinating that your statement is also applicable to your side, is it not? Need I also have to mention that we're called elitists and scrubs at the same time by people on your side of the argument. At the very least, coordinate with ome another so you can finalize if we're elitists or noobs.

This thread is 600 pages long and it feels most of it ots just explaining again and again the same points for detractors that come with similar or contradictory statements.

Of course the strike is like a mighty tree, with a lot of branches. The branches would be the dozend of strike related threads.

Rent free. It keeps the thread bumped to the top. Handy stuff.

Bump. Yes this is repetition but people come here and think we want be "OP" or take away somethingh from them. NO. What we want will not change anything for all the "i fight my cat on the keyboard healer" or the "my aquarium is ringing hold my sugar player" and so forth. Nothing will change for the casuals. If healer get more to do in downtime it will not be needed for normal content aka Roullettes. This is for EX, Savage and Ultimates. The added buttons will not take away youre Sylphie-way-of-Life.

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

This thread is 600 pages long and it feels most of it ots just explaining again and again the same points for detractors that come with similar or contradictory statements.

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Also, people who come and tell us we're a minority since we post in the forum that opposes the majority they claim to "represent" while posting on the same forum.

happy 600 pages, and a merry 600 more of people not reading, telling healers to unsub, repeating the same bad faith arguments, and getting upset because people don't agree with their bad takes.

People should be careful about telling healers to unsub. As someone who plays WOW, throughout Dragonflight(the current expansion) there was a significant healer shortage for mythic plus and to a lesser extent raids(end game dungeon content for those who know) for a good amount of two seasons. It was due to healers bearing the brunt of the changes they introduced to mythic plus content and becoming overwhelmed. You had people begging for healers for several months to join their keys and the healers who remained were far grumpier than usual we usually are because of it.

Things became better later on but point being don't ignore healers too much, it doesn't end well.

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Originally Posted by gllt

Rent free. It keeps the thread bumped to the top. Handy stuff.

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I wonder what's the longest thread in the forums. I know a few that are 900+ pages.
It's getting there!

update : i saw 50 healers today in the new zone

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Originally Posted by Tunda

No one you mentioned is worst than the current status of healers and tanks

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No black mage is worse by far. I don't even think its playable in ucob or uwu anymore, the healers might be boring but you won't ever run the risk of running out of mana completely.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

update : i saw 50 healers today in the new zone

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Okay, and?
Open world gameplay isn't even part of the strike.
And even so I fully support the strike and still play open world healer for friends and FC Mates. :/

You also dont see a hashtag on me in here or in FF14.

I think that game have too much separation between casual dungeon and savage ultimate content

Where healers have too much heals in dungeons
Where it is ONLY situational in savage.
This makes no sense!

So, today is the first day of the massive healer strike. Can we get some statements from the people behind it on how it's going so far?

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Originally Posted by Auteur

This will not convince SE in my opinion, this goes against their paramount goal of overall player retention and majority rule. You would have to convince SE the floor won't move or the floor would clearly increase before they will consider moving the ceiling up.

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You're arguing from the pretense that all the healers fed up with how boring healing is in the current game leaving the role entirely wouldn't be as damaging as simply returning complexity to the healer role.

But your stance isn't provable at all. You don't know how many people wouldn't be able to cope with any changes, you don't know how many people would leave the role from any changes, your argument has no basis because the people you speak for have not spoken for themselves.

Meanwhile, we can see many healers here choosing to completely leave the role. We are seeing the healer role bleed players because of boredom. Our argument has a basis that is plain for all to see.

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Originally Posted by Shialan

So, today is the first day of the massive healer strike. Can we get some statements from the people behind it on how it's going so far?

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Expert queues are long and most healers in it don't know how to use half their kit. Seems like lots of healer mains have quit on my data center at least.

Sat in queue for about 15 minutes as a tank. Got a healer who couldn't stop standing in stuff and dying. Cleared slightly slower than a Trust run. That's about how it's going so far.