[DEV1010] Pet job adjustments

[Dfoley]

First off, I have never done anything in a group as SMN/WHM. I am not a healer, I will never be a healer as SMN, and trying to do so is just an insult to SMNs and WHMs everywhere. My SMN is there for two thing, and that is to pop out 5k+ (10k if AF3 set bonus procs) Blood Pacts every 45 seconds, without giving the mob TP in the process, and pulling links off of the tank and having Ramuh tank 3+ mobs at one time if needed.

If enough people do that, others are going to label SMN as "loljobs" like DRG was way back then and PUPs are now. I don't want your ideas to make SMN into a "loljob."

2 major problems with your post
1) Almost every summoner leveled it as a smn/whm pre Abyssea so lets not like or try to diss it. If you didn't do it that way you leveled it entirely as a smn burn party in which case it makes you an lol or bandwagon summoner.

2) I must have missed the part where my pup is an lol job now. I out DD almost every job I play with. A fully geared pup with burts (lvl 89 weapon) can completly trash about any other job as far as dd goes, and is very close to a monk in DD from the master alone. Add in a pet thats doing 2.5k ws every 10-15s. Just make sure you look at 'how many kills can you get a minute' not 'how fast can you trash a single mob'. Trashing 1 mob super fast is nice, but if you have to wait 45 seconds per mob, lol. I suggest you come to ragnarok and I will show you how lol a pop isnt.

3) (super secret finale) Stop making up numbers, all of you. 5k+ (af3+2 bonus of 10K) may be possible but they sure arent common. And criting for 600 with Hvergelmir? Really? come one now, maybe with aftermath up but no where near commonly. Lets be honest, your not sitting on 25% gear haste and you are not even coming close to being able to get near the 80% reduction cap, so at best your doing 600 dmg max a swing, 200-300 average and all of that with a slow slow slow delay compared to everything else.

[Korpg]

2 major problems with your post
1) Almost every summoner leveled it as a smn/whm pre Abyssea so lets not like or try to diss it. If you didn't do it that way you leveled it entirely as a smn burn party in which case it makes you an lol or bandwagon summoner.

I had SMN/WHM before Abyssea, but only when I solo'd. Just for Reraise. If you read my post, you would see that I said in a group that I don't go as SMN/WHM. Because in a group I am not the main heal. I'm not even sub-heal. I'm in that group to do a massive amount of damage in a short period of time.

2) I must have missed the part where my pup is an lol job now. I out DD almost every job I play with. A fully geared pup with burts (lvl 89 weapon) can completly trash about any other job as far as dd goes, and is very close to a monk in DD from the master alone. Add in a pet thats doing 2.5k ws every 10-15s. Just make sure you look at 'how many kills can you get a minute' not 'how fast can you trash a single mob'. Trashing 1 mob super fast is nice, but if you have to wait 45 seconds per mob, lol. I suggest you come to ragnarok and I will show you how lol a pop isnt.

I didn't say your PUP is lol, I said that generic PUP is lol. You worked hard to make your Puppetmaster good, and thats good for you. But the majority of PUPs out there can't do the type of damage that most other DDs can. Even with their BLM frames. I didn't attack you, I'm not attacking anyone, I'm just stating a general idea about a job that most people have.

3) (super secret finale) Stop making up numbers, all of you. 5k+ (af3+2 bonus of 10K) may be possible but they sure arent common. And criting for 600 with Hvergelmir? Really? come one now, maybe with aftermath up but no where near commonly. Lets be honest, your not sitting on 25% gear haste and you are not even coming close to being able to get near the 80% reduction cap, so at best your doing 600 dmg max a swing, 200-300 average and all of that with a slow slow slow delay compared to everything else.

Heavenly Strike, with Atma of Beyond, Ultimate, and Minkin (+50 INT part) can do upwards of 5k damage on non-NM mobs. There are too many times in exp parties where I oneshot mobs that the puller just pulled, before anyone even engaged. With Set bonus on AF3, you can do double the damage than normal, so 10k isn't impossible. Even Karbuncle noted that.

As for critting for 600 on Emp staff, since nobody on Asura has made that staff yet, and probably won't unless they really want to waste their time like that, I will never verify nor deny that claim.

But you are right on the money that SMN is not a physical DD. They don't have the gear for it, nor the skill (sorry, but 335 skill on a weapon without any other upgrades is just not going to cut it when it is very easy for other jobs to get close to 400 skill on another weapon, like my GA skill on WAR is at 384 just on AF3 body and merits alone) to justify meleeing with it.