[DEV1010] Pet job adjustments

[Dallas]

First off, I have never done anything in a group as SMN/WHM.

You should have picked Door #1. Your playstyle does less damage, and heals less (I melee as /WHM because I need reraise). I call that "lack of support" playstyle, since it centers around refusing to do anything outside of BPs twice every 45 seconds.

I hope your hMP setup is in place, you are going to need it soon.

[Korpg]

You should have picked Door #1. Your playstyle does less damage, and heals less (I melee as /WHM because I need reraise). I call that "lack of support" playstyle, since it centers around refusing to do anything outside of BPs twice every 45 seconds.

I hope your hMP setup is in place, you are going to need it soon.

First off, think. I solo'd my SMN to 75, and I said in a group I'm never /WHM. Pre-Abyssea I was /SCH. For Sublimation. Post Abyssea I'm /RDM. For Dispel, Convert, and eventually Refresh. I have not rested for mp ever since Abyssea came out, because I actually have refresh atmas on, and free avatars even without refresh or avatar's favor. If I wanted my avatars to melee, they can, without worry about mp, without worry about getting myself killed in the process. When I blood pact, the refresh from Minkin alone is enough to gain the mp usage from blood pacts. If my group needs club or staff blue procs, guess what, I'm there ready to help them out with that too. Even though I don't melee often, doesn't mean I don't melee at all. I just know what is expected from me and I don't fool myself in turning my job into a substandard melee because SE gave SMNs a staff that happens to have a few more damage than a Great Katana.

Try using Beyond, Minkin, and Ultimate once. If you have the gear to give yourself free avatars, and a lot of Pet:MAB gear for BP:Rs, you too will find yourself asking why you got your staff in the first place.

[Dallas]

If my group needs club or staff blue procs, guess what, I'm there ready to help them out with that too.

Make up your mind, are you a gimp WAR or not?

Stop making up numbers, all of you. And criting for 600 with Hvergelmir? Really? come one now, maybe with aftermath up but no where near commonly.

769 crit with aftermath on a gnat is my highest. I purposely said 600, as the number is sufficiently high enough to generate this response. I play on a level significantly higher than most SMN. We havent even pulled out my pet who does 250 per crit.

I have 21% gear haste, 7% gear double attack. I have Hastega and access to Hasso. 46% haste in maximum suicide build. I also use VV for the regain and double attack.

[Korpg]

Make up your mind, are you a gimp WAR or not?

What's wrong with having more than one person doing procs? You mean to tell me you never are in a group with multiple procers? Hell, even my WHM friend tries to proc stuff when we fight stuff together, and she still does it while main healing 12 people.

Also, what are your atmas when you do melee like this, and what are your blood pact numbers at? Thats one thing you have failed to mention in any of your posts I have seen. You are claiming to be this "super DD SMN" but you never say how. What are your gears that you equip? What is the highest Blood Pact you ever hit, outside of +% damage mobs.

[Dallas]

Thats one thing you have failed to mention in any of your posts I have seen.

Then go back to the Summoners forum and look again.

[Korpg]

Then go back to the Summoners forum and look again.

Naw, too lazy, post it here.

I'll post my gear and atma usage for different scenarios if you do.

[Dallas]

Naw, too lazy, post it here.

I'll post my gear and atma usage for different scenarios if you do.

Most of it is in my post on page 3, right before your complaint that I never reveal my secrets, which is why I sent you to the Summoner's forum to find it.

Best DD atma so far: RR, VV, SA. Why?
1) All 3 sources of damage benefit from physical atma, instead of just one. Damage is miles beyond that of a solid magic pact build. Not even the people in this thread were willing to believe the damage output of a staff that has only 4% less DOT rating than emp GK.
2) Spirit Taker and Myrkr provide more than enough MP for SMN. Minikin is a waste of an atma slot except to deal magic damage. I was getting 300-800 MP return with Spirit Taker on my OA4 staff.
3) Our best melee buff is on the avatar with the strongest physical BP.
4) Physical BPs do not drain pettp. That means a physical build is almost always accompanied by 507 AOE heals.
5) The rules for DD are well known. I'm just following those rules.

Some day I may replace VV with Apoc, but I need /WHM for all the other crazy stuff I do. There's enough downtime that +2 regain outweighs triple attack.

[Kayn]

you most be living in the past, are you comparing average dd to an average pup? im sorry but right now, there's hardly any difference, if you want to compare an average pup to a greatly geared dd then obviously the greatly geared dd will pull ahead.

right now, a pup sucking lies solely on their mastery with the job. we have all the tools now.

pup is not on a disadvantage anymore.

Face. it.

[Korpg]

you most be living in the past, are you comparing average dd to an average pup? im sorry but right now, there's hardly any difference, if you want to compare an average pup to a greatly geared dd then obviously the greatly geared dd will pull ahead.

right now, a pup sucking lies solely on their mastery with the job. we have all the tools now.

pup is not on a disadvantage anymore.

Face. it.

Well, I got to admit, I have not partied with a PUP since 75, so my information is a little dated. But again, there aren't many PUPs online (just checked, about 10 from levels 1-90 on Asura that are not /anon) so its not like a whole lot of people play PUP now.

So, I guess I should retract the whole "lolpup" statement. Sorry to all PUPs out there.

[Karbuncle]

Well, I got to admit, I have not partied with a PUP since 75, so my information is a little dated. But again, there aren't many PUPs online (just checked, about 10 from levels 1-90 on Asura that are not /anon) so its not like a whole lot of people play PUP now.

So, I guess I should retract the whole "lolpup" statement. Sorry to all PUPs out there.

I'm a 90 PUP !

But it just hit 90 like 3 days ago, has no Emp+1/2, and my Auto skills are under-capped. But damn if Stringing Pummel isn't awesome.