A Ninja without Throwing...

[Bulrogg]

I wasn't trying to compare throwing to meleeing DMG hate generation. I know that melee > throwing. I was trying to provide an example of how I used throwing prior to +75. It was like using provoke when a mob would move out of melee or ability range. I could toss a shuriken and as the mob was coming back to me start casting a spell, rather then trying to chase it down.

I was aware of the no TP loss but someone (not sure who or what thread as throwing in being discussed in a few) had shunned swapping gear for those slots due to loss of TP, so I included it just as a reminder that swapping ammo doesn't cause a loss of TP.

[wish12oz]

I wasn't trying to compare throwing to meleeing DMG hate generation. I know that melee > throwing. I was trying to provide an example of how I used throwing prior to +75. It was like using provoke when a mob would move out of melee or ability range. I could toss a shuriken and as the mob was coming back to me start casting a spell, rather then trying to chase it down.

This is your main problem, you don't even know what you're trying to argue.

It was the damage the shuriken did that made the mob come back to you.

Nothing else.

When you have low or no haste and low damage katanas early in the game, shurikens far outdamage meleeing, which is why they were useful. This is not the the case later in the game, and is why they suck. So yes, you were comparing throwing to melee damage for purposes of gaining hate, you just didn't realize it.

If the trolls would have not been so small minded and quick to argue with Akujima and others that are supporting an adjustment to throwing, what ever that adjustment may be.... ?

Whatever that adjustment may be?

Ya, right.

Here's whats gonna happen if Akujima gets his way.
SE would add new shurikens, and nothing else. Maybe they would even be cheap, but the game's mechanics would not change, and throwing would STILL be garbage, and he would make 10 more threads bitching that throwing sucked. Beyond that is the fact that SE would of wasted their time adding garbage to the game when they could of spent time making real improvements.

I'm not for wasting SE's time, or adding garbage to the game so idiots can RP as whoever from previous FF games. Add good, useful job abilities/traits/items or add nothing.