On Red Mage melee...

[Rayik]

You can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you're right. I just assumed you were not some noob who didn't do anything before the level cap increase, guess I was wrong. People did not bring a bunch of melees to hard HNMs or ones with annoying TP moves and just melee the crap out of them, like Tiamat, Khim, Fafhogg, Sandworm, etc. I'm sorry you never got to do this kind of stuff at 75, but now you know so you can stop thinking this is some kind of new thing.

You got me there, I never did things like land kings, sandworm, etc. Just never interested me. I play on console with limited play time, so camping things for days on end was out of reach for my play style. I mostly just did Dynamis and quests/missions before Abyssea.

I won actually, I used what you said to reinforce my earlier comments about how RDM doesn't do very good melee damage. And I'm doing it again right now!

Is English not your first language? What part of my past 4 statements about RDM damage have you not understood? I wasn't joking, you really did lose me. I don't understand what you're getting at. I've been saying over and over how RDM at the moment only contribute to damage, and cannot hold a candle to true DD damage. What's your point?

[Karbuncle]

Joy + Genbu isn't a terrible combo and would propel us well into the 40+ PDT range.
Give us native Sanguine and that almost becomes the preferred set-up.

It kinda is, If you're trying to be a good DD, and not dual Wielding, You lose i think its.. 25% Dual wield? thats a significant hit to your DPS, and i mean VERY significant, Almost the equivalent to not wearing any haste during TP Phase.

You'd be better off using PDT Shamshir+2's than a Genbu's. Not saying either are great choices though.

[Rearden]

Sigh.

I have a BRD mule that would outparse you guys and yet this topic still continues.

[Rayik]

Sigh.

I have a BRD mule that would outparse you guys and yet this topic still continues.

Because the parse is all that matters, right? Forget all those spells and utility and stuff. Just parse numbers.

[Aurara]

You dont have to melee for those spells to be useful you know.

[Rayik]

You dont have to melee for those spells to be useful you know.

And I don't have to stand in the back line motionless, either. Well, okay, depends on the mob.

[Aurara]

No it doesn't rdm shouldn't be meleeing anything except trash exp mobs(and even then those die in like 1 WS so whats the point?)

[Supersun]

It kinda is, If you're trying to be a good DD, and not dual Wielding, You lose i think its.. 25% Dual wield? thats a significant hit to your DPS, and i mean VERY significant, Almost the equivalent to not wearing any haste during TP Phase.

You'd be better off using PDT Shamshir+2's than a Genbu's. Not saying either are great choices though.

Well yeah, if we had sanguine natively I would think Joy/OaT Khanda would be optimal for damage.

Double attack loses quite a bit of value on a weapon when your primary WS can't double attack.

While I agree that losing Dual Wield is a pretty big hit on your DoT it's not quite as bad as if we were talking about a physical WS here and certainly not as bad as not wearing haste gear.

TP phase damage yes, it's about as bad, but I forget the numbers atm, but dropping dual wield isn't going to drop your WS frequency nearly as bad as dropping haste would, and it's not like magical WSs receive the +1fTP from dual wielding that a physical WS would receive.

Is it a hit to your damage? Sure, I estimate that it would drop us ~20%, but sometimes there are situations where you need the extra survivability even if momentarily at the expense of your damage.

Sigh.

I have a BRD mule that would outparse you guys and yet this topic still continues.

Isn't that a reason for this topic to continue?

Because the job that is advertised as being the "Jack of all trades" is getting beat physically by the geek from band camp?

I mean it's not like we are asking to melee on the things that even Blus are in the back cannonball spamming on, but lowmaning stuff is becoming even more and more common, and with lowmanning hybridization is important. It would be nice to be able to perform to SOME decent standard at those times.

[Rearden]

I'll take 13mp/tic refresh, 25.xx%haste, 50% slow and -23%DT for 1000 please

[Rayik]

No it doesn't rdm shouldn't be meleeing anything except trash exp mobs(and even then those die in like 1 WS so whats the point?)

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