On Red Mage melee...

[Hyrist]

I simply don't see a point in making the SAM(DD) You're "battling" against in the parse purposefully gimp.

Would it not be a hollow victory to beat a SAM that for all intents and purposes was gimp? I sorta understand no AV items, sorta. but forcing him to use a Great Katana over a Polearm? That is grade-A Gimp. Any good SAM would use Polearm on Colibri.

ANY good SAM. its basic Colibri intelligence.

I just don't see the point of this if its not going to be Best vs best. Wheres the victory in beating someone you've forced into dumbing down their armor? It seems like it'd be a hollow victory because the only thing you'd prove is that you could almost out-DD a SAM so long as the SAM was using a bad weapon choice and selective gear.

Right, though there's problems with statments like that as not all camps in ToAU were lolibri. Hagun sam was likely the Mamool JA camp issue. I donno, I'm not Starfox.

But when you mention 'Best vs best', what is the best for RDM? Who has 'the best'? I don't think anyone's actually collected the full potential. There is certainly gear out there for a RDM to work for. However, I think the biggest argument on the pro melee camp to SE is, if they're going to do that, they should also provide a meaningful use for it.

Excalibur, Mandau, Almace, these things aren't easy to get, yet they dangle them in front of Red Mages.

And the dangeling is not limited to just Relics either.

[Rearden]

I would personally just use Colibri for the parse because then you aren't getting different mob types, stoneskins, etc. thrown into the mix.

Puks, Wyverns and Mamool are going to throw the numbers off due to varying AGI levels, evasion levels and such.

[Neisan_Quetz]

EDIT: not worth it

[Hyrist]

I would personally just use Colibri for the parse because then you aren't getting different mob types, stoneskins, etc. thrown into the mix.

Puks, Wyverns and Mamool are going to throw the numbers off due to varying AGI levels, evasion levels and such.

This actually presents a question I have:

Colibri dominated exp at 75 for a good few years, it became an easy measuring standard for looking at accuracy/numbers etc.

Has there been any real intermediary camps to do the same as the level cap rises, or are we waiting till 99 to find that 'one mob' to parse against?

[wish12oz]

Only thing I tossed was my perdu volge, if you're up for a real challenge I can get another great axe.
(well, and ancient torque, but that doesnt really count since its buyable)
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/war75.jpg

[Karbuncle]

Almace, these things aren't easy to get,

Took me 1 week to build a friend a 85 Almace, and he did half the work Solo. Its not really hard, it just takes dedication and perseverance, i believe anyone has the power to get it.

on the best/v/best thing, I was talking about not imposing any restrictions. Let each player gear to the best of their abilities.

Whats the point in a victory if its under specific conditions, and for a part of the game that will never return? (75 cap meritpo). Maybe he's just trying to verify his claims i assume... But it seems like a hollow victory

He should really challenge them to a 90-cap fight.

[wish12oz]

He should really challenge them to a 90-cap fight.

I'm down for whatever, just tired of seeing people say RDM melee was better than it really was.

[Thunderlips]

Right, though there's problems with statments like that as not all camps in ToAU were lolibri. Hagun sam was likely the Mamool JA camp issue. I donno, I'm not Starfox.

But when you mention 'Best vs best', what is the best for RDM? Who has 'the best'? I don't think anyone's actually collected the full potential. There is certainly gear out there for a RDM to work for. However, I think the biggest argument on the pro melee camp to SE is, if they're going to do that, they should also provide a meaningful use for it.

Excalibur ... these things aren't easy to get, yet they dangle them in front of Red Mages.

And the dangeling is not limited to just Relics either.

I got an Excal, I don't see what the problem is

On a serious note however, which mamool camp are you looking into for this parse? There's MJSP which wasn't too hard and the Mamool camp above birds which really separated the men from the boys.

[Karbuncle]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/222778

I think this (Zelus Tiara for head perhaps!) would be the best RDM melee set i can think of. I'm probably forgetting some stuff... (Read: Anything new)

I think 90Mandau would be a better offhand over any other weapon because of its massive DPS, Almace90 Mainhand because of the great WS attached to it.

Thats my opinion, however.

[Supersun]

Took me 1 week to build a friend a 85 Almace, and he did half the work Solo. Its not really hard, it just takes dedication and perseverance, i believe anyone has the power to get it.

on the best/v/best thing, I was talking about not imposing any restrictions. Let each player gear to the best of their abilities.

Whats the point in a victory if its under specific conditions, and for a part of the game that will never return? (75 cap meritpo). Maybe he's just trying to verify his claims i assume... But it seems like a hollow victory

He should really challenge them to a 90-cap fight.

I might be interested in a lvl 90 skirmish some time in the future against you outside of abyssea.
It would be a good way to see how jobs actually stand in regard to each other for future content.

Though I would need to grab a few important pieces that my set needs before I could be held to any decent standard.
(I only have the gimperian though, not the actual almace)