On Red Mage melee...

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For BRD, Cure IV, Haste, and status cures are very important reasons to sub WHM over RDM. I played BRD in event settings for years (important admission: I retired BRD when the level cap first rose to 80), and singing songs was only half the job. I, and any good BRD from that era, made extensive use of the status cures and cures from /WHM. I honestly don't know if /SCH is now the better choice these days, to be honest.

And yes, a WHM in an event setting (outside of Abyssea) should have enough support to /SCH comfortably. MP conservation should not be an issue for properly supported, geared, and talented WHMs, and /RDM doesn't come close to offering the same perks as /SCH. Even in the Abyssea age, I generally consider the /SCH or /BLM WHMs to be the ones who know what they're doing, and I'm immediately suspect of any WHM/RDM.

[Supersun]

I generally consider the /SCH or /BLM WHMs to be the ones who know what they're doing, and I'm immediately suspect of any WHM/RDM.

You are going to have to explain that one to me.

Also apparently BG needs some clarification since when I'm talking about Ballad nearly matching refresh 1 I'm talking about Brd Brd as opposed to Brd Rdm. The first bard is already assumed to be using Ballad III and II giving his +9 MP/tick.

I mean really, in terms of refreshing jobs Brd >>> Smn* > Rdm > Cor
(Smn is situational obviously)

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Stun.

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[Aurara]

When did stun become useless? Also ES sleepga/Sleep is pretty nice. Oh did I forget to mention conserve MP...

[Supersun]

...good point with the stun

forgot that was /blmable now

[Hyrist]

For BRD, Cure IV, Haste, and status cures are very important reasons to sub WHM over RDM. I played BRD in event settings for years (important admission: I retired BRD when the level cap first rose to 80), and singing songs was only half the job. I, and any good BRD from that era, made extensive use of the status cures and cures from /WHM. I honestly don't know if /SCH is now the better choice these days, to be honest.

Question:

Once 99 hits and haste become available via /rdm, adding in the additional MP endurance of Convert as well as fast cast traits which will play into Bard's song timers. Would you still take /whm merely for the status cures? I'm sure it's situational but especially if you've another mage, ANY mage handy you're already going to have a decent status cure removal situation there and the Bards support focus should probably be more primarily on buffs with the backup cure handy.

Honestly I view Red Mage as a subjob primarily for Scholars and Summoners. Both jobs that benefit more from the spell variety and direct MP restoration.

/RDM for WHM and BLM really depends on how independent of outside support they need to be.

If I see a BLM or WHM with Sub Red Mage. I don't really question them, as much as acknowledge that they're not used to getting paired with BRD/COR/RDM.

[Neisan_Quetz]

As long as you need status cures they'll be subbing /whm or /sch for said status cures.

[Supersun]

As long as you need status cures they'll be subbing /whm or /sch for said status cures.

Or just bring a scholar if you need them that badly.

[Hyrist]

As long as you need status cures they'll be subbing /whm or /sch for said status cures.

I just find it kind of redundant when WHM, SCH, and virtually every job that subs WHM or SCH for whatever reason (I default to /SCH on back line duties on RDM unless I need sleepga/stun) and anyone else /sch can burn a charge to AoE a recovery. (whm doesn't even need to do that in some cases.)

If it's covered, wouldn't you want abilities that enhance your root duties more?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Depends what you're fighting then. Some mobs are annoying enough to bring at least 2 people who can remove status effects. If it's only like 1 TP move to watch out for then yea other people can start using other subs.