Is rushing the game a cause for boredom? your thoughts

Just a question of opinions I see so many post on here about how boring the game is and how repetitive it is I just wanted to ask a few questions. So lets say for a new player would you say that you would say its better to actually take your time than to rush to endgame. Because what I'm seeing is this as far as end game,gear, gear, and more gear and wt. So why is it that everyone in the game says to get to hw asap, what Ive done with my time I actually took 4 months to even get to hw and that was only so I could play the new classes, I plan on stretching out the content until the next exp. So my question is this do you think a cause for the boredom in the game for people who haven't played sense beta that people just simply rush content. And for those that are at end game do you wish, not talking about an alt that maybe if ur bored now you would have taken your time in the game instead of rushing it. Like now Im in hw but I still will do all the arr extreme primals sync and binding coil snyc, and farm horses. I will keep leveling my crafters etc, work on my gil do all of these things without doing hardly any msq in hw, simply because why be on a time frame the end game content will be there all the way up til this summe

All MMO's suffer the same fate at endgame. People devour new content from the patch in 8 hours, get bored of it, then need more. Taking your time, playing slowly doesn't solve the issue but just delays it. The core of the problem is that content takes way more time to make than it does to consume. That won't ever change, so the problem will never go away.

Yes, rushing content reinforces boredom. However, not rushing content causes people to feel like they're missing out. I actually find that a bit ironic, since they will miss out if they rush past content, but not everyone actually enjoys the game itself. Some people just want to be doing endgame stuff.

There is plenty of the fun things to do at end game. Those who are bored usually are only focusing on one aspect of the game and get tired of it.

For me when I leveled I did not rush it, I took my time and enjoyed the story and watched all the cutscenes and enjoyed the trip to end game. Why would you rush through a game that you paid for and not enjoy it? I don't understand those people.

Take your time and enjoy the game, the most important thing is to have fun, don't listen to what others say. If you are having fun continue doing what your doing.

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

There is plenty of the fun things to do at end game.

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I say this because I was in notive network as a new player now Im , a trade craft mentor, so I could keep that feature in the game also but I see new players literally gettin to hw in one month, and I just dont understand it , its like why there is no rush no need to do stuff right now , its a whole game not just Alexander raids and gear. Me personally I would rather stay behind sch in content so that I dont have to wait on new msq every couple of months. And by doing that ha I hear that I play the game so much more differently and I think its normal its still 3 years worth of content I dont have to finish it in 1 months time.

People are different. Some like endgame stuff, some like casual MSQ items, the rest like both.

I have had all of savage cleared for almost a month now. Still have fun in there, probably because I am a verbal person and the group I run with uses teamspeak and we are, to an extent, mature and know when it's time to be serious and when it's time to sling jokes.

Most people just have to find their niche sometimes.

Yes.

Rushing, grinding, intensive content farming, max speed and efficiency case players to burnout much faster than they would otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

Yes, rushing content reinforces boredom. However, not rushing content causes people to feel like they're missing out. I actually find that a bit ironic, since they will miss out if they rush past content, but not everyone actually enjoys the game itself. Some people just want to be doing endgame stuff.

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I think part of the reason for the feeling some have of missing out, if they do not rush, is that they judge themselves by the gear and progress of others. In my opinion, validating yourself based on others is not the best way to go in life.

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I think what rushing does is make a game with three years worth of content something more like a game that can be completed in an rpg , Its like of course I may want the latest gear or the newest stuff but I have to remember that I came late to the party. So its taken people years to get on that path, so why cut my game play down to catch up with them when Ive been playing far less. Its like when I hear people refer to the content in this game like its been brought down to the level of just expert roulette's. Its way more content in the game and I think maybe the focus of putting everything at the end of the game isnt the best formula, with that all its doing is counting on players to stay based on gear lock outs which I dont see how that could be fun for anyone , which is why Im in no rush personally.

I would say that it's more a matter of how much of the game interests you. XIV has a lot of content but the less of it you care about the quicker you'll run out of things to do.

For me I love leveling, questing, and collecting things. I take my time on the main story and work on things like collecting TT cards and minions between patches which in turn has me visiting most areas of the game. I'm almost never out of things to do and even when I take a break to play something else I have goals calling me back to XIV.

On the other hand there are lots of players that don't enjoy these things. If you don't care about the main story those hundreds of quests are just an obstacle between you and the fun part of the game. It's understandable why those people would want to rush to the parts they care about.

Games always have an "end", mmos just end in cliffhangers until the next patch. You can slow yourself down, but unless you intentionally stop 1 patch earlier and wait, you'll always eventually run out of fresh content. Doesnt mean you cant still have fun in the game.

But I just dont understand why such a game just literally field with content gets so much hate from its on users, Im thinking really what other games are you even comparing it to , so thats why I think its a choice of player consumption thats the issue not willing to spread things out or take your time , its well this is new so I must do it right now asap

Whenever I feel like I'm running out of things to do in FF XIV I play something else for a while ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I would say so.

I wouldn't say I rushed to the end. But I did do many different things very quickly and ended up...at the end. But the goal was not to get TO the end. Just to do things.
I level all the crafting classes and gathering classes and just 1 combat class (plus support jobs) to get to the end.

The end is very boring or very repetitive. I was disappointed. I leveled some other classes to give me something to do, but I didn't enjoy most of them.
I started big-fishing and got, I think 125 or so of them.
Now at the end, I feel there are two types of content for me.
Very easy / boring / low-reward content that takes no effort.
Challenging / boring / soon obsolete reward content. Which requires everyone to perform well. Great fun if you have a great group. A complete waste of time if you get stuck with one person who has no idea what they are doing.


I wish there was more challenging content we could do alone. Like, exploration.

Just remembering days of FFXI. I could go into a cave / dungeon ALONE (not instanced) and fight / sneak my way to the deepest parts, just to see what was there. To find some rare items or just explore.
We actually had to kill really tough enemies in deep caverns and mines to get items for crafting. This one is completely different. Getting items for crafting is not challenging at all.

I felt there was always something cool to discover. I've never felt that way in this game.
I remember trying several times just to get to Jeuno. We actually had to sneak past monsters or call for help / make a party to get things done.
Remember how hard it was to get my first airship pass. And this was more than a decade ago.
This game? I can't even remember the quest for it. That was less than a year ago.

My point is, it's too easy and fast to get to the end. Leveling just 1 character you could get there in a few days if you skip MSQ cutscenes.
In FFXI there was no way. It took forever and so much hard work.

I don't think everyone aims for the end, but we end up there before we know it because the game holds our hand and guides the entire way. It felt like walking on a paved road filled the roses and birds chirping.
And we get there, it's like "enjoy the view. You'll be here for a few months."

In FFXI, it felt like climbing over mountains, valleys, the rain, wind, and snow, while blindfolded.

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I spent almost all of my time in FFXI not actually playing the game, but instead shouting in town trying (and failing) to actually progress through the plot. Despite having a fraction of the playing time, I have actually played FFXIV far, far more than I played XI. And most of what I actually played in XI was since Trusts were introduced and you can actually accomplish things solo.

At any rate, if you play through the main story just to the original ending (pre-2.1) and watch cutscenes and whatnot, this is a 60-80 hour game. That makes it one of the longer Final Fantasy games in terms of basic completion. HW offers another RPG's worth of game just by its own main story, to say nothing of the various side stories and whatnot. You can easily sink hundreds of hours into this game without ever doing an expert roulette, if you want to. Unfortunately, that doesn't feed the addiction that makes MMOs profitable, and is largely ignored by the player base. But who cares what they want, play the game, enjoy it, and if a monthly subscription is that onerous, unsubscribe between expansions and go play something else. Like FFXV. :)

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

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My memberberries recall ridiculous drop rates and ridiculously powerful normal mobs in said dungeons. You couldn't get anything done on your own in FFXI, or it took a really long time to do it. How people find this fun is beyond me and I LOVE a good grind IF I can do the majority of it on my own or have friends with similar goals, which is rare.

It might be just me, but I hate the idea of using someone else's time to accomplish my goals.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Taking your time, playing slowly doesn't solve the issue but just delays it. The core of the problem is that content takes way more time to make than it does to consume. That won't ever change, so the problem will never go away.

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Well, but that means that taking your time absolutely DOES solve the problem, because if you take long enough to finish content A so that content B releases right as you finish A, and C releases right as you finish B and so on, you never run out of stuff to do and therefore never get bored ;)

Oh absolutely I feel it's better to take your time and not rush through content, even if only to be able to fully take in what the game's designers have created. I feel it is less appreciated from players who just rush to endgame. However, I can also understand wanting to be caught up so you can do fresh content as its released with everyone else, so there is a bit of a preference there.

My preference though is slow and steady. By time I get to 3.0 those who group with me will get a healer who has been doing it for 9 to 10 months opposed to a month or two. I'm not saying I'm better than these faster players, but I am saying I'll be a better player after this longer period of time opposed to the skill level I'd be at after only a couple months.

I also like to be self sufficient so I spend more time with my DoH and DoL than any battle class. Getting to this point takes a really long time, and if everyone had this patience, I'd be broke.

9 months in and I'm still not at HW, and I am still not in any rush to get there. I am definitely not bored with the stuff I'm doing, and plenty more content awaits me!

Not especially. Rushing through doesn't remove the content you skipped, only whatever you've lost interest in (e.g. the voice acting for cutscenes you clicked through, skimming just the gist of). Even if you focused just one job and its cross-classes, you still have all the rest to level, sights to see, etc. For those friends you outleveled, which is quite a separate issue from losing stuff to do with, you'd also be making more early on at endgame, as long as you're idea of focus isn't to abstain from all but a necessary evil level of socialization.

I just resubbed for my 5th month and still have yet to complete the MSQ. I'm perfectly content with making alts on multiple servers, chatting, and just taking a moment to explore or socialize. I'm in no rush. When I meet people who are on their 6th day and have already gotten to lv 40, they often don't know a lot about the game and just level, level, level and not internalize anything.

I started playing in 2.0 during beta phase 1 on PS3. I generally try to stay up to date with content and gear outside of Savage. Even when I took breaks, I never rushed when I returned. Yes, I watch all cut scenes for the first time (who visits their Inn when they have a house or Apartment?).

Besides, I spam content too much, win or lose, to be bored.

I think it is. I already got what I want like, Black ADS, every job 60, can go savage even I didn't clear a11s and a12s, also done gearing my healer with proper gear. It's like I'll just wait till 2.5 to online again.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

But I just dont understand why such a game just literally field with content gets so much hate from its on users

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Being filled with content and being filled with content that people want to participate in are two different things.

Its kind of relative. It depends how much time you spend into the game. For example someone who plays 2 hours/week most likely won't get boredom as quick as someone who play 14 hours/week.
In its current state with all the patches and the expansion, FF XIV has lot of content to do for a new player, unless that player is only interested to the current end game, rush to it and skip all the optional stuff.

If someone is bored in the game, maybe it's a sign it should take a break until more content is released, or play less and enjoy playing/doing something else instead.
The only drawback is peoples in hurry to gear up and who farm end Tomes, they kind of feel "forced" to do their daily roulettes and stuff. I'm not sure that system is a good thing in the first place, but well that's how it is :)

I definitely don't burn as quickly and seem to enjoy the game more in short spurts.

Used to play 14-15 hour periods at times, just was not fun and turned to other games to gain back my sanity.

It's best to take your time. Many people rush to endgame, skip all story dialogue and then regret it later

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Originally Posted by Chocolys

The only drawback is peoples in hurry to gear up and who farm end Tomes, they kind of feel "forced" to do their daily roulettes and stuff. I'm not sure that system is a good thing in the first place, but well that's how it is :)

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That is exactly what happened to my friend who joined the game with me. After Brayflox, he left me in the dust and quickly got through the MSQs and job levels. Matter o fact, he got his WAR, BLM, and NIN all to 60 before I got one job to 50. He found himself grinding tomes to get the gear needed to increase his average iLv to continue to participate in endgame stuff, and this is where he got burnt out. I tried to introduce crafting, gathering, side story, optional dungeons, working on Zodiac weapons, collecting TT cards, chocobo racing, and even coils to no avail. His logins are so few and far between now, I have to explain to him why this and that has changed when he does. We just have very different playstyles. I'm all about the journey, and he is all about the destination.

It'd be interesting to join a FC whose only requirement is not having HW access. Once you do, you are considered a graduate of sorts, and off you go :P

Title earning is another fun long-term goal thing to work on in end game too. I'm trying to get "Molder of Masterpieces" (synthesize 1000 collectables) and "Good Samaritan" (res 200 people who aren't in a party with you) at my own pace, just adding to it a little bit as I do other stuff. Trying to earn the second title has turned Wiping City into a personal scavenger hunt for people who don't know mechanics.

Some people are going to get burned out with things no matter what though.

I rushed to endgame with my main character to join my friends at endgame when I started playing. And I honestly regret it.

So, with my alt, I am taking my time: enjoying the story, enjoying doing sidequests to level up different classes, enjoying doing small things that I didn't bother to enjoy on my main because I wanted to catch up to my friends. If I could redo my main over again, I would do it differently. (Not that I could ever delete her given the amount of progress and effort I put into her, but, you get the idea.)

I think people should take their time and enjoy the story, and enjoy the game. I know the MSQ exp is like ridiculously buffed now, but still. No need to rush it. Sure, there are fun things to do at endgame, but I find myself bored most of the time now, where as, when I was leveling, I was never bored! Because I had so much content to get through! Now, I log in to my main to do dailies, cap tomes, and...yeah, that's about it. Unless I'm leveling a different job, but I don't have many more left that aren't 60, so what am I going to do?! D:

However, different folks, different strokes. There will be those that take it nice and easy, and enjoy the story/game, and there will be those that rush to endgame so they can start whatever endgame activity it was that they were so eager to get to.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Being filled with content and being filled with content that people want to participate in are two different things.

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^This.

If you only want "Content"...there's the entire gold saucer from Triple Triad card collecting to chocobo breeding coupled with LoV PvP. Two sightseeing logs, Crafting and Gathering plus oodles of sidequests. FATEs are everywhere, hunts are a thing, as is leveling your chocobo. And we haven't even touched the MSQ, regular PvP, dungeons or raids yet.

The more content you enjoy, the more the game offers to you and the less likely you are to get burned out or bored. You can achieve the same effect by playing multiple games at the same time - by spreading yourself thinner, you not only spend less time in any given game (extending content lifespan), but also have a higher diversity, so the gameplay itself becomes less repetitive.

That said, "rushing" over parts you don't enjoy to get to the ones you do does no harm, quite the opposite - rushing over parts you do enjoy out of social pressure however is bad.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

If you only want "Content"...there's the entire gold saucer from Triple Triad card collecting to chocobo breeding coupled with LoV PvP. Two sightseeing logs, Crafting and Gathering plus oodles of sidequests. FATEs are everywhere, hunts are a thing, as is leveling your chocobo. And we haven't even touched the MSQ, regular PvP, dungeons or raids yet.

The more content you enjoy, the more the game offers to you and the less likely you are to get burned out or bored. You can achieve the same effect by playing multiple games at the same time - by spreading yourself thinner, you not only spend less time in any given game (extending content lifespan), but also have a higher diversity, so the gameplay itself becomes less repetitive.

That said, "rushing" over parts you don't enjoy to get to the ones you do does no harm, quite the opposite - rushing over parts you do enjoy out of social pressure however is bad.

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I'm quoting this post because she sums up the situation very well, covers pretty much everything I was going to say, but I did want to add a small bit to it.

When I say I have an issue with how "repetitive" things are, I'm referring to a specific thing, namely getting the current tomestone gear. At the end of the day an RPG is about advancing your character and making it stronger in some way, I think we can all more or less agree on that. That being said, the easiest way to do that is run Alexander 12 once a week and do one Ex roulette a day. I don't have an issue with THAT per se, my issue comes with the limited number of dungeons in the Ex roulette and their difficulty. I want more than two dungeons in the Ex roulette, desperately so. Running the same two dungeons over and over again isn't very fun. If there were 7-8 dungeons in the roulette that each offered a variety of items and maybe chances at things like rare minions and mounts off the final bosses? I believe that would make the Ex roulette grind a lot less repetitive.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

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I totally understand that , and I think this is part of the reason why i purposely hold myself back, because gear stats for instance really dont excit me a whole lot I like glamour more than I do battle stats. I fear that the love I currently have for the game will maybe go away if I bring it down to runnin the same raid , and or ex roulette over and over again. Because Id like to feel like Im playing a whole game with prob 60 or 70 different dungeons in it. But what I would hope that se could do is just to come up with a much much better reward system for vets, mentors and the likes, I really dont feel from what Ive heard that wt is all that exciting from the player base it was a nice attempt, but I think its failing. Id say if you gave new rewards for players that have been playing for a while and just called them vet rewards this would go a long way.

The reason a lot of people want to get to endgame quickly though is if you don't do content when it is current and has relevant rewards, good luck trying to get a party together to do it. And even if you do it's not even near the same experience.

How many people are still running Gordias/Midas savage? Running coil now is done primarily at 60 unsynched, that doesn't make for a very satisfying experience, and all the ARR primals (along with Bismark and Ravana) are in the same boat.

So even if you may still be able to experience a lot of the content taking your time, it's not even remotely as entertaining an experience as doing things when they are current. Running things overgeared and unsynced just isn't that fun, and that's how you end up doing all content that isn't current, if you can get in it at all.

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Originally Posted by Rhais

The reason a lot of people want to get to endgame quickly

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I def ran into this problem, its just a matter of determination, Im a crafting mentor so I dont mind crafting and waiting or grinding matts, so ur right the ques are long but in some cases its no different than your average dps que , and you have to have the mindset to do it , I will run something unsnyc but just to see the story but I will go back and do it sync even if the que is long. And with the new cross server party finder coming out this will be even better than it ever was Im hoping

The problem is that if you are through with the main content of the last patch you will want to start the new content of the new patch and not wait. You can limit yourself to only one quest a day or something but it would still not be enough till the next patch is out. But thats completely normal. Thats why we have so much different content in a MMO. To have something to do when you are through with the new main content.

I also still have lots of things to do and if you just take your achievement list and try to do everything on it than you would never run out of things. Some achievements are truly long time ones. But the question is: Is this truly fun for me or not? I like a challenge but I dont like to be forced to raid on certain days a week and finding a static is just another obstacle that is too annoying for me. So I dont raid. This means one part of the game fell away. I still want to equip my crafters, get my master books, get all the big fish, finally start the sightseeing log but at the same time you have to feel that you want to do it. I want to get the books but I find the script system utterly boring so I really dont look forward doing it.

I really do think that there is a lot of content in the game, but still there is not a lot of content that I want to do all the time..or even do at all. And I think that is also the problem for a lot of people that are bored of this game. Doing something you dont really like would probably be the nail in the coffin for that person, since its still a game and should at least feel like fun. Taking breaks is okay (but only 45 days if you have a house) but sometimes this might mean that people wont come back again, which is bad for SE.

Mostly I log in daily, see how I feel that day and maybe I will finally feel like fishing or something like that. And I also have some people that I like to talk with, so I also often spend my time helping them or just chatting with them.

To answer your question: Yes rushing a game can lead to boredom, but even if you dont rush it, as soon as you finished the parts that you liked about the game you will be hit with a wall of boredom. Maybe you are lucky and the next patch is on the way or maybe you are unlucky and either play something else or do something that feels less like fun.

I am not really sure if SE can do much about it. Maybe more midcore content for us more midcore players. Maybe some more activities that are grindy but not over the top. I was really looking forward to the diadem and the palace. But both kinda disappointed me. The first because of the nature of the content and the second because of SE restrictions..

Sorry my thoughts are all over the place. X_X