Great party last night!

So, I was playing my Marauder last night in a party. We formed with GLA, MRD, PUG, THM, CON, and whatever the abreviation is for archer. ARC? ARH?ACH? whatever. We were all 25-28, and went east of drybone to the beastman camp. There, the GLA would grab a mob, I'd grab the links, they'd burn down the first mob then move on to the ones I was holding. It went great, we got chain5 time after time, level 30-34 mobs, for about 5 hours.

So those who think partying is broken, you're just doing it wrong.

Nothing was broken in 1.19. People just can't adapt to change.

Glad to see a positive post for once.

Yeah PTs are even better than before!

:DGood for you! Partying is always the best part of MORPGs, but sadly, it's one of the most difficult for several reasons: different timezone, people too shy to ask, different languages, friends-guild only party, long time assembling one, etc. Even being in a random PUG is quite fun, but in the end, you have to put a little effort to be in one and trust me: it's really worth playing this game in a party. These last weeks I'm having a blast doing behests, wherever I find one and picking anyone who wants to tag along; sure it's only 5 or 10 minutes, but still lots of fun.

Congratz for playing the game and having fun. Hope you can make more!:cool:

I was in a great PT yesterday. R45-50, Beastman Stronghold near Broken Water, we camped in a corner of the second room and just slaughtered beastmen for hours. Great SP.

Now, if I could only figure out a way to see just how much I have left to go to get my Shield rank up... there's really no way to tell and there oughta be.

I was in two great parties today and I hated every minute of it. Spam spam spam spam spam. Buffs, cure, buffs, cure, nuke if you feel froggy, buffs, cure. Go play some other MMO? Probably will.

There were shouts for parties in uldah all yesterday, it was pretty nice, and for mostly all level ranges too. Most parties I join are random shouts, or 2-3 LS plus some shout people, but yesterday I guess a lot of people came back for 1.19, so there was an extra high population looking for a party.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

I was in two great parties today and I hated every minute of it. Spam spam spam spam spam. Buffs, cure, buffs, cure, nuke if you feel froggy, buffs, cure. Go play some other MMO? Probably will.

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Guessing you didn't play FFXI? What would you expect it to be? In a party, each person has a role. One person heals, one person tanks, a few people DD, someone enfeebles. How would it be different in any MMO? And this is the party style I hoped would come with enough people.

Unfortunately I did play FFXI for 5 years. I'm guessing that's the reason I dislike where this game is right now.

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Originally Posted by nasomi

Guessing you didn't play FFXI? What would you expect it to be? In a party, each person has a role. One person heals, one person tanks, a few people DD, someone enfeebles. How would it be different in any MMO? And this is the party style I hoped would come with enough people.

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Yep, any MMO that isn't solo centric you have this kind of setup, XI is popularized because it's party synergy was a lot more defined as in other MMOs, debuffing generally came from item usage, i.e "Chipping" in some.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

I was in two great parties today and I hated every minute of it. Spam spam spam spam spam. Buffs, cure, buffs, cure, nuke if you feel froggy, buffs, cure. Go play some other MMO? Probably will.

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So, you're bitching because you don't like the difficulty of soloing, and you don't like the difficulty of partying.

Perhaps you could, I dunno, quit complaining so much about the game, and work at being better at it instead?

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

I was in a great PT yesterday. R45-50, Beastman Stronghold near Broken Water, we camped in a corner of the second room and just slaughtered beastmen for hours. Great SP.

Now, if I could only figure out a way to see just how much I have left to go to get my Shield rank up... there's really no way to tell and there oughta be.

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Your shield is lvl 48 929 / 100000exp.

This is a back burner thing. they will add it later on down the road I think.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

So, you're bitching because you don't like the difficulty of soloing, and you don't like the difficulty of partying.

Perhaps you could, I dunno, quit complaining so much about the game, and work at being better at it instead?

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Partying is not difficult. It's uninspiring, and for lack of a better word, boring.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

So, you're bitching because you don't like the difficulty of soloing, and you don't like the difficulty of partying.

Perhaps you could, I dunno, quit complaining so much about the game, and work at being better at it instead?

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Soloing isn't difficult, it's boring and lonely. I like having people there to talk to, someone to back me up when i need a potty break, stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Partying is not difficult. It's uninspiring, and for lack of a better word, boring.

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You're in a lame-ass party then. Try doing something a little more challenging if you, yaknow, want more challenges.

Re: your soloing issues, all I can say is that I'm engaging groups of mobs, with links and multiple spawns, solo, with very little problem at all. Perhaps you should re-examine your character or ability setup and look for weaknesses there...

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Partying is not difficult. It's uninspiring, and for lack of a better word, boring.

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You just played this game for a few days ( less than month as I checked )
And this is a day #2 of 1.19 and you complaining....

I think you should play more before complain.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

You're in a lame-ass party then. Try doing something a little more challenging if you, yaknow, want more challenges.

Re: your soloing issues, all I can say is that I'm engaging groups of mobs, with links and multiple spawns, solo, with very little problem at all. Perhaps you should re-examine your character or ability setup and look for weaknesses there...

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Quality had nothing to do with it. They were good parties. What I dislike about it is there is little to no consequence for dire mistakes. There is little to no time for the need or implementation of a strategy. Engage mob, /wait 5, reap rewards. That is the definition of boring. Frustrating, I believe, is the term you're looking to apply to bad parties.

What level are you opposed to the range of level of your targets?

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Originally Posted by Petdo

You just played this game for a few days ( less than month as I checked )
And this is a day #2 of 1.19 and you complaining....

I think you should play more before complain.

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I know it appears that way, but trust me I've been playing since day 1. Religiously at that.

Really? we had consequences even if we made minor mistakes. Link 4 instead of 3 = 2-3 deaths, waiting for weakness, etc. Maybe get mobs more difficult if you're not finding it challenging? Our most exciting times were link3, while fighting get repops, suddenly 5 mobs, kill 2, 3 more appear, we fight, battle raise, keep going, and after 10min of everyone doing everything they can, we finally finish the last, all mp and most hp are exhausted, and sit back and rest after a job well done. It's a challenge for tanks to keep hate on them, healers to keep everyone alive without running out of mp OR pulling hate, and DD for burning hte mobs down quickly, without getting hit so the healers can concentrate on the tanks instead of having to heal everyone.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Quality had nothing to do with it. They were good parties. What I dislike about it is there is little to no consequence for dire mistakes. There is little to no time for the need or implementation of a strategy. Engage mob, /wait 5, reap rewards. That is the definition of boring. Frustrating, I believe, is the term you're looking to apply to bad parties.

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NO, you are in a bad party if you're taking on mobs that have no risk of wiping your group at all. You aren't getting the SP you could be getting, because you're not pushing yourselves. That's a lame-ass party full of people who don't want a challenge. Not the game's fault.

Next time yer in a pt like that, and it gets boring, go somewhere with higher level mobs.

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What level are you opposed to the range of level of your targets?

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On my lower level jobs, within 5 ranks. On my r50 GLA, no more than 5 ranks for sure, though I can do stuff from even to four ranks higher pretty much indefinitely. You are quite correct that a spawn of a mob 4-5 ranks higher than yourself, while soloing, can be deadly; but that's what separates the good from the merely OK in this game, the ability to ride that bleeding edge of viability.

OP, I approve of you.

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Originally Posted by Isaaru

OP, I approve of you.

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Thanks! ^.^

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Originally Posted by nasomi

Really? we had consequences even if we made minor mistakes. Link 4 instead of 3 = 2-3 deaths, waiting for weakness, etc. Maybe get mobs more difficult if you're not finding it challenging? Our most exciting times were link3, while fighting get repops, suddenly 5 mobs, kill 2, 3 more appear, we fight, battle raise, keep going, and after 10min of everyone doing everything they can, we finally finish the last, all mp and most hp are exhausted, and sit back and rest after a job well done. It's a challenge for tanks to keep hate on them, healers to keep everyone alive without running out of mp OR pulling hate, and DD for burning hte mobs down quickly, without getting hit so the healers can concentrate on the tanks instead of having to heal everyone.

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See if this counts as a major mistake? Common: someone in party gets excited and runs up to a random mob, linking 3 others with 2 already engaged. We all survive with little difficulty. CON PGL PGL GLA Lv.21-24 fighting Lv.25-29 crabs. Imagine you did that in XI. You'd have a dead tank, main healer, and one very dead MNK.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

NO, you are in a bad party if you're taking on mobs that have no risk of wiping your group at all. You aren't getting the SP you could be getting, because you're not pushing yourselves. That's a lame-ass party full of people who don't want a challenge. Not the game's fault.

Next time yer in a pt like that, and it gets boring, go somewhere with higher level mobs.



On my lower level jobs, within 5 ranks. On my r50 GLA, no more than 5 ranks for sure, though I can do stuff from even to four ranks higher pretty much indefinitely. You are quite correct that a spawn of a mob 4-5 ranks higher than yourself, while soloing, can be deadly; but that's what separates the good from the merely OK in this game, the ability to ride that bleeding edge of viability.

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You do realize the 10Lv. cap on EXP is still in place right? What would be the good point of going to tougher mobs for the same EXP? Who in the group do you think would agree with that?

Within 5 ranks, higher or lower than yourself? Of course you can chain things at Lv.50; you have those extra ability slots that a Lv.25 doesn't. I'm not saying I cannot survive the addition of another tough mob, but the options at that point are A. Fight and hope you win, or B. Run and start over. How is that conducive to actually getting anything done if it's liable to happen over and over again?

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See if this counts as a major mistake? Common: someone in party gets excited and runs up to a random mob, linking 3 others with 2 already engaged. We all survive with little difficulty. CON PGL PGL GLA Lv.21-24 fighting Lv.25-29 crabs. Imagine you did that in XI. You'd have a dead tank, main healer, and one very dead MNK.

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No one ran up to anything, mobs spawned on us. This isn't FFXI either, it's FFXIV. Notice the V on the end. That means it's not the same as FFXI. And we had a dead healer, with the THM struggling, I was using hp moves, the tank was in pure defence mode, and we made it through. Even if we died, it was still exciting and fun, but more exciting and fun because we lived. But we lived as a result of people knowing what they were doing and performing calculated tasks, not just mashing the x button to hit hte mob faster or heal faster.

While this is not Directly related to how sp partys work now. For the first time i feel like MRD can work as intended with the new claim system. I have hit up the strongholds a couple times now, And i feel like I am able to run on all cylinders with out having to hold back now.

Its beautiful, bordering on orgasmic.

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You do realize the 10Lv. cap on EXP is still in place right? What would be the good point of going to tougher mobs for the same EXP? Who in the group do you think would agree with that?

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You stated that you were doing: CON PGL PGL GLA Lv.21-24 fighting Lv.25-29 crabs.

You could have been doing lvl. 29-34 of some other mob that is deadlier, if you want more of a challenge and more sp. But, I don't need to tell ya that, you already know it.

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Within 5 ranks, higher or lower than yourself? Of course you can chain things at Lv.50; you have those extra ability slots that a Lv.25 doesn't. I'm not saying I cannot survive the addition of another tough mob, but the options at that point are A. Fight and hope you win, or B. Run and start over. How is that conducive to actually getting anything done if it's liable to happen over and over again?

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Higher than myself. And I've had no problems at all with my lower chars. since the update, I have no idea why you seem to be unable to handle the sitch.

Yes, for god's sake, when the going gets tough, you have to fight and hope you win. You seem to want great sp soloing with no chance of dying. That's weak sauce. You can't have both good SP and no risk, there has to be a tradeoff.

Like I said above - the difference between a good player and an okay player, is that the good player will win those close matches 19/20 times, the okay player 12/20.

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No one ran up to anything, mobs spawned on us. This isn't FFXI either, it's FFXIV. Notice the V on the end. That means it's not the same as FFXI. And we had a dead healer, with the THM struggling, I was using hp moves, the tank was in pure defence mode, and we made it through. Even if we died, it was still exciting and fun, but more exciting and fun because we lived. But we lived as a result of people knowing what they were doing and performing calculated tasks, not just mashing the x button to hit hte mob faster or heal faster.

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Mine was an actual event that I was giving as an example. Notice the "We all survive..", and the denotation of jobs in party.

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While this is not Directly related to how sp partys work now. For the first time i feel like MRD can work as intended with the new claim system. I have hit up the strongholds a couple times now, And i feel like I am able to run on all cylinders with out having to hold back now.

Its beautiful, bordering on orgasmic.

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Not entirely. I was blasting through mobs, MRD are DPS machines now, AND hate machines. I had to hold back to avoid taking hate from the tank. When I'd grab an add and hold it while the GLD, PUG, and ARC worked on the main mob, I'd kill mine in the time they killed theirs, if not faster, while not needing the CON to heal me. I dont' know if it was gear related or what, but I felt like a DPS monster. However I was using skills from every melee class as I have them all leveled to 10+ to get their basic skills.

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Originally Posted by Griss

While this is not Directly related to how sp partys work now. For the first time i feel like MRD can work as intended with the new claim system. I have hit up the strongholds a couple times now, And i feel like I am able to run on all cylinders with out having to hold back now.

Its beautiful, bordering on orgasmic.

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But yeah, I getcha

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

You stated that you were doing: CON PGL PGL GLA Lv.21-24 fighting Lv.25-29 crabs.

You could have been doing lvl. 29-34 of some other mob that is deadlier, if you want more of a challenge and more sp. But, I don't need to tell ya that, you already know it.



Higher than myself. And I've had no problems at all with my lower chars. since the update, I have no idea why you seem to be unable to handle the sitch.

Yes, for god's sake, when the going gets tough, you have to fight and hope you win. You seem to want great sp soloing with no chance of dying. That's weak sauce. You can't have both good SP and no risk, there has to be a tradeoff.

Like I said above - the difference between a good player and an okay player, is that the good player will win those close matches 19/20 times, the okay player 12/20.

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You keep saying "you" as if I were the voice of the entire party. Though, I think I will do just that tomorrow and see how it works out. I will take a low-end party, say the majority Lv.20-22 and maybe a 25 to a camp with R30-35 mobs just so we can say "we did it, hurray" after each and every 5min fight. This is all rough speculation, you see. What is actually going to happen is 3 of those 30-35 mobs are going to link on us, almost instantly wiping the tank which is Lv22. You can see where this is going, right?

What you negated to address is the probability that because of the link system, it will happen more than once, and given that you're not going to give up, many many more times.

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You keep saying "you" as if I were the voice of the entire party. Though, I think I will do just that tomorrow and see how it works out. I will take a low-end party, say the majority Lv.20-22 and maybe a 25 to a camp with R30-35 mobs just so we can say "we did it, hurray" after each and every 5min fight. This is all rough speculation, you see. What is actually going to happen is 3 of those 30-35 mobs are going to link on us, almost instantly wiping the tank which is Lv22. You can see where this is going, right?

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Oh, I can absolutely see where this is going - you'll continue bitching and moaning without ever admitting that a large part of the problem here is lack of skill on your part, combined with an unwillingness to take responsibility for the fact that your group is working mobs that aren't really a challenge for the pt.

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What you negated to address is the probability that because of the link system, it will happen more than once, and given that you're not going to give up, many many more times.

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Uh, that's because that isn't a BUG, it's a FEATURE. Other groups don't die when this happens.

We do sometimes. But we know that death is part of the game. And if there's no risk of death, it's not really fun.

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Originally Posted by nasomi

We do sometimes. But we know that death is part of the game. And if there's no risk of death, it's not really fun.

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Well, that's probably more accurate. And what more, death really carries much less of a consequence now that equipment has to go to zero before it loses stats.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

Oh, I can absolutely see where this is going - you'll continue bitching and moaning without ever admitting that a large part of the problem here is lack of skill on your part, combined with an unwillingness to take responsibility for the fact that your group is working mobs that aren't really a challenge for the pt.



Uh, that's because that isn't a BUG, it's a FEATURE. Other groups don't die when this happens.

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I'll argue the fact that I am a good and competent player with all the necessary skills to play effectively. Christ, the two classes in question I've already leveled to 50 almost equally through leves, party and solo. Yes, I am going to complain because I can and I retain that right.

Secondly, in reference to your last paragraph, we're talking about solo play and not groups.

I miss xp loss. Death without consequence is not really a deterrence.

Well, of course you have the RIGHT to complain, but that doesn't make you RIGHT to complain.

Just makes ya a complainer. Suck it up and learn to win... that's what I've done every time the going gets rough in this game.

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Well, of course you have the RIGHT to complain, but that doesn't make you RIGHT to complain.

Just makes ya a complainer. Suck it up and learn to win... that's what I've done every time the going gets rough in this game.

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My hero? >.>;

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Originally Posted by nasomi

Not entirely. I was blasting through mobs, MRD are DPS machines now, AND hate machines. I had to hold back to avoid taking hate from the tank. When I'd grab an add and hold it while the GLD, PUG, and ARC worked on the main mob, I'd kill mine in the time they killed theirs, if not faster, while not needing the CON to heal me. I dont' know if it was gear related or what, but I felt like a DPS monster. However I was using skills from every melee class as I have them all leveled to 10+ to get their basic skills.

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Burn and bleed baby.