REMOVE WEEKLY FCOB LOCKOUT PRIOR TO EXPANSION!!!!!

Dear Dev Team,

Since the expansion will be introducing a level increase and the old content including the FCoB will be presumably obsolete have you guys considered unlocking the weekly lockout before the expansion hits? It would be nice to be able to farm the latest content before it is totally useless. If you guys were to do something like that in 2.5x I am sure it would be well received by everyone!

Sounds fine to me. I have a feeling they might do that in 2nd half of patch 2.5 rather than the first part.

Who says that i130 gear will be useless when the expansion hits? I think it's more likely that i130 gear at level 60 will be similar to how i110 gear is now, and how i90 gear was in the previous patches. The best gear at level 60 could just be i150 and follow the same stat progression.

As far as I've heard lockout is being eased in 4 days.

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Originally Posted by Archulak

As far as I've heard lockout is being eased in 4 days.

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I heard this too!! Is it true?? Can anyone confirm?

That Reddit link talks about huge loot restrictions. Well, at least we can help statics short a player now if this is really happening.

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Originally Posted by Archulak

As far as I've heard lockout is being eased in 4 days.

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Oh they were talking about implementing this during fan fest. The weekly gear lockout will not get lifted but the access lockout will. So basically you can go through to coil again to help a friend out who will receive reduced gear if that is their first time completing in the week. It would make sense if they released it during this patch since they were considering doing it at 2.4 launch but weren't able to at that time.

Sound like a good plan, to be honest I'm looking forward at what will be the 2.45 lockout entry removal and loots, I'm secretly hoping for a personal weekly-loot lockout by different turn (1 drop for 1 person by turn) it would sound fair and balanced while not making the last chapter of crystal tower trilogy irrelevant.

edit : ah well nevermind, just saw Archulak reply, if what they said in the link is true, people will most likely not use the lockout-entry removal at all.

Here is the post about the actually lock out mechanics:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._weekly_entry/


After reading this I don't see the incentive on why anyone would want to do this unless there are 12-15 people you want to raid with (2-3 of which you can carry). Or if you're missing 1-3 people for the week and are need of a competent replacement(s) who don't mind coming again even though they cleared for the week already. I guess they implemented this in mind of increasing the replacement pool if you have no shows.

Raid is usually unlocked pre expansion in other MMOs for everyone to try it out before its outdated content. So I wouldn't worry. The system they're implementing sounds cool, but I'm fairly certain we'll get a full unlock in 2.55 or something. Still, nice to know they'll be letting people help their friends out even with the restrictions on it.

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Originally Posted by cookiecutter

Here is the post about the actually lock out mechanics:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._weekly_entry/


After reading this I don't see the incentive on why anyone would want to do this unless there are exactly 12 people you want to raid with (2-3 of which you can carry).

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As stated in the question: To help teach people mechanics, that's the purpose of it. We have our core raiding group in FC and then a few friends/family there too. At times we're trying to help them with Turns they haven't completed but it's very hard to try and diagnose the exact issues they're having without seeing them play the turns first hand. I imagine most groups with this will actually just use this to have extra time training on the turns and then if they get close to the bosses, 5% say, just wipe it.

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Originally Posted by Archulak

As far as I've heard lockout is being eased in 4 days.

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entry lockout get removed, loot lockout get added, how i understand it

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Originally Posted by SongJoohee

As stated in the question: To help teach people mechanics, that's the purpose of it. We have our core raiding group in FC and then a few friends/family there too. At times we're trying to help them with Turns they haven't completed but it's very hard to try and diagnose the exact issues they're having without seeing them play the turns first hand. I imagine most groups with this will actually just use this to have extra time training on the turns and then if they get close to the bosses, 5% say, just wipe it.

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I usually just use twitch to diagnose the problems of other groups. As for training value, I can see the benefits of that if you're missing a few members and just want to jump in for practice.

The way it said the lockout will work in 2.45 according to the JP interview is if you can go back and help people for FCoB that you are locked out of for no loot. However each person you take that has already cleared gives a -25% chance to drop loot. For example if you take 2 people who have cleared there is a 50% chance you won't get each loot drop. If you take 4 people who have cleared no loot will drop at all for the 4 people who have not cleared yet.

I'd imagine that when they remove the loot lockout for the final part of CT, that they may do something like this. I also would not be surprised if they also moved poetics to the same place that sol is now.

If I recall reading correctly:

You can only roll on loot that is dropped the FIRST time you cleared it.
You're able to do FCoB as many times as you want, but I don't think you can keep doing that turn until a piece you need drops (think pre CT/ST lockout).

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Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2

If I recall reading correctly:

You can only roll on loot that is dropped the FIRST time you cleared it.
You're able to do FCoB as many times as you want, but I don't think you can keep doing that turn until a piece you need drops (think pre CT/ST lockout).

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The last I heard was the -25% per person loot penalty system that was in the game watch interview its nothing like CT or ST lockout.

They will remove every FCOB lockout by the time the expansion hits and apply similar lockouts to the next raid. the weekly lockout is getting thrown out as of 2.45 in favor of a loot lockout.

Poetics Tomestones will then replace Soldiery Tomestones, Soldiery Tomestones will be transferrable into Poetics Tomestones, Mythology Tomestones will be erased from the game entirely to be replaced with a brand new currency for the new raids, everything that dropped soldiery will then start dropping a reduced amount of poetics, all the content that once dropped poetics will drop a reduced amount of the new currency, new dungeons/raids/trials will drop higher amounts of the new currency, etc.

The cycle will continue. It always does.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Mythology Tomestones will be erased from the game entirely to be replaced with a brand new currency for the new raids,

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So Philosophy Tomestones will still be in the game in some shape and form?

:P

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Originally Posted by Archulak

As far as I've heard lockout is being eased in 4 days.

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I guess if they ease up the rules for the Lockout, it will be handled similarly to the syrcus tower. you enter the dungeon, but you are not able to roll on the loot.

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Originally Posted by Ashrak

I guess if they ease up the rules for the Lockout, it will be handled similarly to the syrcus tower. you enter the dungeon, but you are not able to roll on the loot.

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Not really, when you enter syrcus tower no one is punished if you are actually new to syrcus tower :p with 2.45, as a "static-less" player, you won't be able to benefit from a potential loot if your friends or fc mates come to help you with fcob, it's all over again the same problem : get your 8 man static team or accept to be left out in a way in the only end-game content of the game.

I feel sorry for players who are new to the mmo genre and new to FFXIV because they never tasted the "free to do whatever I want, whenever I want and with whoever I want".
I played FFXI for 8 years and I'm going to cite FFXI as an exemple because the end-game scene was working very well and the players were able to handle a lot of differents situations.
You could do multiple teams composed by different players and not always the same amount of, not always the same faces but still managing to get things done like Sky / Sea / Einherjar / Dynamis / ZNM / Abyssea and more... It was giving a true meaning of having a strong community and in some cases you could even team up with a another "friendly-outsider" community to progress.

In FFXIV, none of the above is possible, we got duty finder with strangers, 1 x 8 men endgame content once a week and the pleasure for casual players to enjoy great "party-finder-experiences" if they want to progress into fcob, such frutrations :x
It's kind of sad considering the huge potential FFXIV have right now, I'm looking forward at 3.0 and hope to see this feeling of freedom with end-game finally coming back.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

So Philosophy Tomestones will still be in the game in some shape and form?

:P

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Technically, Philosophy Tomestones are in the game in a different form -> Poetics Tomestones.

They just changed the name, picture, and description and set everyone's quantity to 0. That's why there was an almost immediate hotfix in regards to certain players (very possibly players who held onto their Philosophy and didn't turn it in for Mythology) had their Poetics weekly cap reached despite not having any Poetics at all.

Mythology Tomestones will go through the same process, as will Soldiery, as will Poetics, ad infinitum.

They've already said the expansion won't nullify your 130 gear, it'll just be entry level gear for lvl 60, which you'll upgrade from with tomes or endgame content.


Big problem with this lockout system is that it's fundamentally useless. One player cannot carry 7, so all they'll be is a hanger on that brings the party down in some way, and it just gets worse as you add more.

Zero benefit, only detracts from rewards. Good job.

I figure that the i130 gear will probably take players most of the way. Players probably won't start seeing real upgrades till around 57 or so. So it is certainly worth the investment now. Players that plan to fate grind, like most of the population, will likely be ok with i120 gear till 60.

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Originally Posted by Anatha

They've already said the expansion won't nullify your 130 gear, it'll just be entry level gear for lvl 60, which you'll upgrade from with tomes or endgame content.


Big problem with this lockout system is that it's fundamentally useless. One player cannot carry 7, so all they'll be is a hanger on that brings the party down in some way, and it just gets worse as you add more.

Zero benefit, only detracts from rewards. Good job.

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The point isn't to carry. It's to allow experienced people to fill in small hole(s) in a party (e.g. Replacing an underperformer) in order to help out.
This way, people are still encouraged to earn wins without being carried.

nice if u wanna help out friends who are learning. and yh the sooner it gets completely removed the better. I can't even motivate myself for fcob yet, knowing I could go months w/o some reward. Why the beep it doesn't have a system like crystal tower.....the gears are arguably not needed for current content, and will be old news when lockout is lifted. Such a shaftsome system.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Why the beep it doesn't have a system like crystal tower.....the gears are arguably not needed for current content, and will be old news when lockout is lifted. Such a shaftsome system.

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Because what would happen is people would clear it with 7 ppl and give 1 person the drops they need. Rinse and Repeat for each member.

With the slow release of relevant top tier endgame content there would not be enough content to last.

SE should of just did it like like this. Clear it with 8 new ppl for the week garenteed full drops. Clear it with 1+ ppl who cleared make it like dungeons in 1.X where you get 90% darkmatter, 10% chance of gear.

I do not see anyone doing the method they have now, unless it is monday night people are not going to just voluntarily give up loot to practice. Still does not solve the what happens if your static is missing 1 member for a night problem. Still left with the choice of screwing that person over or 7 ppl being bored.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Because what would happen is people would clear it with 7 ppl and give 1 person the drops they need. Rinse and Repeat for each member.

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This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Not only will this cause people to run FCoB more often (because they actually can), more people would be willing to do it due to statics being unnecessary, and by using a loot lockout you ensure the content lasts for quite a bit. Obtaining an entire set of Dreadwyrm would take 11 weeks, 12 for PLD. The key to this is that EVERYONE will get loot every week. This system isn't perfect, however, as it does allow for content selling (probably the main reason they're implementing the system they're actually implementing) and it also hinges on how quickly you can progress through the turns (IE if you're not clearing T11 by the 2nd or 3rd week, you might not be getting main job loot anymore for the week, etc). You also are only allowed 1 piece per week, so people who get lucky and get multiple pieces in a single week no longer would have that luxury. It also allows for everyone to get their respective weapon as long as you've cleared T13, though that could be both good and bad. I'm personally fine with the system being implemented as long as it works as speculated, but I do think the loot lockout is better than what we have now in general.

Say what you will, I don't see any problem with giving coil the ST treatment. 1 item promised per week seems very reasonable. If you can do it, you can do it, why should u need to wait until possibly forever due to rngesus? + making ppl fail to get what they need for 6 months is hardly a positive way to make content "last".

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

The point isn't to carry. It's to allow experienced people to fill in small hole(s) in a party (e.g. Replacing an underperformer) in order to help out.
This way, people are still encouraged to earn wins without being carried.

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You are actually missunderstanding Anatha's words, Raiders have been waiting on the last 12 months the lockout removal in order to build strong and helpful FCs of midcore/raider people to finally leave the usual 8 man sectary-lockout. If the new system is accurate to what this link tell us, then nothing will likely change.

Trust me or not but when you are not interested into glamours contents and when you have the last top tier of coil on farm, the game is kind of boring right now :/ nothing much to do outside of raids times. Back into my 8 years of FFXI experience, I can remind some memories of spending countless hours by helping/teaching community mates/friends for endgame contents, we didn't had such heavy lockouts everywhere, it was very situational to encounter a lockout...

Today, because of the unjustified fears from the game developers, we have to experience the game at a "nerfed" rate. Back in the past, Tanaka made a lot of mistakes on a "game design" point of view but if there is something that he understood correctly, it's probably that players need more freedom on endgame contents, people won't cut their subs once they are fully geared, they worked too hard for it xD. They will likely help a friend or/and a mate while gearing an alt job :p just like in FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Anatha

They've already said the expansion won't nullify your 130 gear, it'll just be entry level gear for lvl 60, which you'll upgrade from with tomes or endgame content.


Big problem with this lockout system is that it's fundamentally useless. One player cannot carry 7, so all they'll be is a hanger on that brings the party down in some way, and it just gets worse as you add more.

Zero benefit, only detracts from rewards. Good job.

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Source please? (About the i130 gear being entry level gear to level 60)

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Originally Posted by cookiecutter

Source please? (About the i130 gear being entry level gear to level 60)

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They never said this. They have not mentioned anything about the item levels in heavensward or what the ilvl will be to start out with level 60 content.

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Originally Posted by cookiecutter

Source please? (About the i130 gear being entry level gear to level 60)

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I haven't seen a source for this either. I imagine that i130 gear will probably take you to 60 if you wish with no trouble, but I'd be surprised if there aren't cheap and easy upgrades at level 60 if not earlier. At the same time, I don't expect you'd actually have much trouble leveling to 60 in i110 or even i90 armor unless the upgrades are massive and immediate (eg. level 52 dungeons drop gear that is vastly superior to FCoB gear and then level 55 gear is vastly superior to that, etc.)

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Originally Posted by Nutz

I haven't seen a source for this either. I imagine that i130 gear will probably take you to 60 if you wish with no trouble, but I'd be surprised if there aren't cheap and easy upgrades at level 60 if not earlier. At the same time, I don't expect you'd actually have much trouble leveling to 60 in i110 or even i90 armor unless the upgrades are massive and immediate (eg. level 52 dungeons drop gear that is vastly superior to FCoB gear and then level 55 gear is vastly superior to that, etc.)

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I expect the new "leveling quests" in the new areas to give catch up gear to equalize the playing field.

Would gear people up so they aren't getting stomped by trash mobs if they stopped playing and aren't at a high ilvl and allow people to switch jobs/roles if they want to on expansion launch.

It also brings up the average ilvl so they can tune the leveling dungeons/content more easily.

I agree with what Vaer and Nutz said. I think i130 gear will carry players most of the way to 60, but I think that there will be upgrades along the way.

Also, considering the way gear itemized in CT and ST, I would expect the last part to be i120 gear. This will make it fairly easy for players to catch up alts for expansion leveling. Even with acquiring weapons. I would expect them to remove the loot lockout and add in the new UATS and oils so players can get the i120 weapons.

It would also seems logical, given that the expansion will probably begin a new kind of tomestone, that prior to its release remove the weekly cap on poetics.

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Originally Posted by Nutz

I haven't seen a source for this either. I imagine that i130 gear will probably take you to 60 if you wish with no trouble, but I'd be surprised if there aren't cheap and easy upgrades at level 60 if not earlier. At the same time, I don't expect you'd actually have much trouble leveling to 60 in i110 or even i90 armor unless the upgrades are massive and immediate (eg. level 52 dungeons drop gear that is vastly superior to FCoB gear and then level 55 gear is vastly superior to that, etc.)

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They could do this or they could do what wow does and have the first leveling dungeon drop gear that was better then the last raid. Depends on how much they want to jump the ilvl between expansions. They have not said what their plans for the expansion yet in regards to how much ilvl goes up while leveling.

or they could remove the lockout and implement you know.... something like content every month. You know the thing SE's 10+ year old other MMO is doing now...

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Originally Posted by Nutz

I haven't seen a source for this either. I imagine that i130 gear will probably take you to 60 if you wish with no trouble, but I'd be surprised if there aren't cheap and easy upgrades at level 60 if not earlier. At the same time, I don't expect you'd actually have much trouble leveling to 60 in i110 or even i90 armor unless the upgrades are massive and immediate (eg. level 52 dungeons drop gear that is vastly superior to FCoB gear and then level 55 gear is vastly superior to that, etc.)

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Since SE likes to re-use outdated gear in new dungeons (Darklight, Myth gear, etc), I'm assuming they will use soldiery gear for lvl 51-55 dungeons. Then at lvl 56-59 dungeons, poetics gear would drop. It only makes sense to do this because they always allow a way to obtain outdated gear for glamour or other reasons. So in that sense, anyone who has i130 gear for expansion would be about 10 ilvl higher than lvl 56-69 dungeon that would drop poetics gear. I think that's what they mean by latest raid gear being entry level gear for lvl 60.

As for FCOB lockout removal, I hope the rumors for loot restrictions are only valid until 2.5. Many players like myself would like to farm gear just for glamour, not e-peen so I wouldn't have to do this when expansion comes out. I have been farming SCOB and it takes a huge amount of time to obtain all gear for glamour. One of the tasks I want to get out of the way before expansion because I know most people won't look back and it would be tough to organize farm parties for older raids.