Can we have a server merger after fee take place ?

Yet another reason not to play any MMO.

I hope that the server clusters still allow me to designate in what language I want to play with others.

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Like it or not, servers are getting restructured. It sucks that it's happening after the fact, but there's no turning back time. Mergers are definitely coming, and regional servers are a possibility. From what I understand, it's being considered because many JP players want it (not that it matters who's asking for it, but to get angry at those on the NA forums who agree it's a good idea is futile). And Yoshi-P said here that they would like to designate at least one RP server.



"Your kind"? Listen to yourself. If anyone sounds racist here...



Actually, regional servers are the MMO standard. Final Fantasy is the only game I've played that doesn't do this.

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The MMO standard is that way because most games are region locked. Many MMO's only launch in a single region, and are marketed only to a single audience.

The internet however is global, from the time you access it (not counting censoring) you are connected to people around the globe.

Yes when I put exactly what you are asking for that way it does sound racist doesn't it?

Maybe you should think about why you have time to play MMO's and post 985 times on this forum, but you can't spend the effort to play with others who maybe don't speak English very well (or at all, though at all is a stretch as obviously all Japanese players playing Final Fantasy XIV speak at least a very small amount of English), especially when the game has provided you with an in-game translation tool.

So many others have. Not only in FFXIV either, people all over the world for a great deal of reasons manage to do this. Yet you are so against it. You must have your own server... for your own kind.

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The MMO standard is that way because most games are region locked. Many MMO's only launch in a single region, and are marketed only to a single audience.

The internet however is global, from the time you access it (not counting censoring) you are connected to people around the globe.

Yes when I put exactly what you are asking for that way it does sound racist doesn't it?

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Then you must be a racist since you're posting in a language specific forum.

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The MMO standard is that way because most games are region locked. Many MMO's only launch in a single region, and are marketed only to a single audience.

The internet however is global, from the time you access it (not counting censoring) you are connected to people around the globe.

Yes when I put exactly what you are asking for that way it does sound racist doesn't it?

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Then you must be a racist since you're posting in a language specific forum.

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No but if I went to a bulletin board where people were encouraged to post in various languages, and told them they had to speak one language and be segregated. That would be quite racist.

It is racist to insist that people have to be separated, or would be unarguably better off separated, because they speak different languages, even when it has been demonstrated that people can manage just fine through the language barrier. It represents an unwillingness to interact with others unlike you, and it demonstrates a pretty clear aversion to people who clash culturally with you.

Yes, I'm afraid promoting segregation and racism are quite interrelated.

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No but if I went to a bulletin board where people were encouraged to post in various languages, and told them they had to speak one language and be segregated. That would be quite racist.

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That's like saying I'm racist and lazy because I don't comb through the JP forums using Google translate. In fact... that's something we've been asked not to do by Yoshi-P and the forum mods because it causes a whole mess of issues.

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It is racist to insist that people have to be separated, or would be unarguably better off separated, because they speak different languages, even when it has been demonstrated that people can manage just fine through the language barrier. It represents an unwillingness to interact with others unlike you, and it demonstrates a pretty clear aversion to people who clash culturally with you.

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Manage is the key word. Would you rather exist or enjoy life? Get by or be comfortable? Having a preference doesn't make you racist. Hatred makes you racist, and no one is hating on anyone, here. It's not being suggested that if we have regional servers, we can't also have global servers. What's wrong with giving people the option?

I think I understand your frustration, here. I love Besaid, and I wouldn't want to see it turn into something I'm not happy with. I think if they regionalize the servers, they need to give people the option of free transfers.

Put pointing fingers and calling names won't help anything. You're turning this into something it's not.

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That's like saying I'm racist and lazy because I don't comb through the JP forums using Google translate. In fact... that's something we've been asked not to do by Yoshi-P and the forum mods because it causes a whole mess of issues.



Manage is the key word. Would you rather exist or enjoy life? Get by or be comfortable? Having a preference doesn't make you racist. Hatred makes you racist, and no one is hating on anyone, here. It's not being suggested that if we have regional servers, we can't also have global servers. What's wrong with giving people the option?

I think I understand your frustration, here. I love Besaid, and I wouldn't want to see it turn into something I'm not happy with. I think if they regionalize the servers, they need to give people the option of free transfers.

Put pointing fingers and calling names won't help anything. You're turning this into something it's not.

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Because being on a server with a Japanese person is like misquoting a developer and causing hysteria over improperly translated information.

You don't want it to be about racism. Because you want to believe you have no racist motivations.

You say in your post that being segregated=enjoying life. That if you lived with people who were different from you that would simply be "existing".

Having a preference for a race definitely makes someone a racist.

If they introduce a limited number of regional servers for people like you, then those should be new servers. No one should have to transfer off of their server because they are not of the approved "region" for its new designation.

To do that would be beyond merely hinting at racism, it would be an act of discrimination on the part of Square Enix.

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You don't want it to be about racism. Because you want to believe you have no racist motivations.

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This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with language. I don't care what color your skin is, or where your ancestors hail from. I only care about speaking the same language.

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You say in your post that being segregated=enjoying life. That if you lived with people who were different from you that would simply be "existing".

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Nope, I was making a comparison between managing (a word you chose) and choosing an environment that makes your life easier. And not having to deal with a language barrier makes life easier for many people.

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Having a preference for a race definitely makes someone a racist.

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Nope, I have a preference for the English language.

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If they introduce a limited number of regional servers for people like you, then those should be new servers. No one should have to transfer off of their server because they are not of the approved "region" for its new designation.

To do that would be beyond merely hinting at racism, it would be an act of discrimination on the part of Square Enix.

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No, people might have to move because SE is completely restructuring their game and their servers after the fact, because the old dev team was living under a rock and had no idea what modern MMO standards were.

No matter how hard you try, you just can't use the racist card.

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This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with language. I don't care what color your skin is, or where your ancestors hail from. I only care about speaking the same language.



Nope, I was making a comparison between managing (a word you chose) and choosing an environment that makes your life easier. And not having to deal with a language barrier makes life easier for many people.



Nope, I have a preference for the English language.



No, people might have to move because SE is completely restructuring their game and their servers after the fact, because the old dev team was living under a rock and had no idea what modern MMO standards were.

No matter how hard you try, you just can't use the racist card.

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It is not simply about language. Language is not a barrier to playing on the same server in FFXIV. Nor would regional servers make life easier for everyone. It would make things quite a bit more difficult for me.

This is something you want for yourself, for your reasons. It is not something that should be imposed on existing players.

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It is not simply about language. Language is not a barrier to playing on the same server in FFXIV. Nor would regional servers make life easier for everyone. It would make things quite a bit more difficult for me.

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And, as I said, I'm sorry about that. But it's a given that in the upcoming server merges, no matter how painless they try to make it, someone's going to get inconvenienced. There's no getting around it.

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This is something you want for yourself, for your reasons. It is not something that should be imposed on existing players.

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Right... because Yoshi-P read my mind and considered it before I ever voiced my desire for it on the forums, just to appease me.

There's obviously a considerable number of people who think it's a good idea and the best thing for the community in the long-term, even if it inconveniences some people for the short-term.

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And, as I said, I'm sorry about that. But it's a given that in the upcoming server merges, no matter how painless they try to make it, someone's going to get inconvenienced. There's no getting around it.



Right... because Yoshi-P read my mind and considered it before I ever voiced my desire for it on the forums, just to appease me.

There's obviously a considerable number of people who think it's a good idea and the best thing for the community in the long-term, even if it inconveniences some people for the short-term.

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Way around it: Let people like you go choose your own server so you can segregate yourselves, not forcing segregation on the rest of us.

If you want to give live on a compound in Oregon you are welcome to do that. Just don't come to where I live and tell me it has been designated a Japanese only neighborhood.

well murugan looks like we will both be looking for the same type of server. i'm just as likely to get online at 3am as i am 8pm so i love being on a global server. i'm glad when i get on at 3am and have people to play with. it may be jp players and i have trouble conversing with them, but that doesn't stop me from joining their party or enjoying the time i spend with them.

the people that go to the language specific servers will have fun trying to find a party when it isn't peak hours because there's not different cultures on different time zones with them.

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I will quit if they make Selbina a regional server Japanese or NA.

New servers should be made for racists where they can choose to go and be with their own kind. Those of us on existing servers should not be forced into a situation where we are suddenly 2nd class citizens (NA on Japanese servers, Japanese on NA servers, etc.).

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LMAO how ignorant can one person be.. /sigh

Don't be fooled, the JP players have been asking for language specific servers for a long time.

This isn't about racism, its about playing with people who speak your own language and are in a similar timezone.

I really hope a moderator comes in here and deletes your posts because you have turned a good thread into a S***fest.

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LMAO how ignorant can one person be.. /sigh

Don't be fooled, the JP players have been asking for language specific servers for a long time.

This isn't about racism, its about playing with people who speak your own language and are in a similar timezone.

I really hope a moderator comes in here and deletes your posts because you have turned a good thread into a S***fest.

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While i can see strong arguements for and against regional servers

one thing i must point out

NO SERVER CURRENTLY EXISTING SHOULD BE MADE TO BE ONE

why? well for starters cuz we are already in them with the understanding they are all global, so why turn any of them regional?

no, thatl be what they need to do when they open new servers in the future


for now, they should give us the option to go to severs, maybe hint to us what the population mainly consists of, and let it be that

but personaly i think they should just merge us and be done with it and not give anyone a choice as to where so that people dont get into huge arguements as to whats what and who goes where

idc for regional/global servers anymore, i just want to see other ppl wanting to do stuff together.
i'm sitting here for hours trying to get some moggle/ifrit/SH action going on.
but besides AFK/bots/LS only raiders, there is noone to do stuff together.this is wrong in so many levels for an MMO.
i'm not even calling this game an MMO anymore.

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No but if I went to a bulletin board where people were encouraged to post in various languages, and told them they had to speak one language and be segregated. That would be quite racist.

It is racist to insist that people have to be separated, or would be unarguably better off separated, because they speak different languages, even when it has been demonstrated that people can manage just fine through the language barrier. It represents an unwillingness to interact with others unlike you, and it demonstrates a pretty clear aversion to people who clash culturally with you.

Yes, I'm afraid promoting segregation and racism are quite interrelated.

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Sure, I can manage to play a video game with people who don't speak English, but it makes it more difficult. I don't like playing on PST servers either because I live in DC. I guess I hate all people on the westcoast.

It has nothing to do with being a racist. It has everything to do with communication. What confluence of arrogant douchebaggery is inside of you that makes you tell someone you've never met that they're a racist because they want regional servers in a video game?

There's no way they're going to change current servers to regional ones. It's already official that we will have lower populated servers emptied by having the players there chose one of the higher populated servers to migrate to. Common sense dictates that those emptied servers will be re-introduced as regional servers for those who want such an experience.

However, imposing regional standards to existent global servers would be completely illogical and very counter-productive. That much is obvious.

@Murugan:

The whole racism argument you're trying to pull is silly and completely uncalled for. Regional servers aren't for segregation. It completely revolves around communication and time zones.

If your on a regional server then you will have lots of people to play with during your prime time, and will be able to communicate with everyone. These advantages cannot be ignored.

However there are advantages of global servers where you get to meet people from all over the world and perhaps even practice foreign languages you may be picking up, and also you get people to play with no matter what time of the day you log in.

That's why ideally it's best to have both, and for players to chose how they wish to experience their MMO. If you notice, in those advantages above I listed nothing pertaining to race. That's because this doesn't have to have anything to do with race.

It's almost 2012. There's no place for this level of ignorance.

well, reading thru the latest posts, following the discussion about regional/global servers.
if i might join this discussion, i would like to add something.
the times an english party actually takes an JP with them is 100 times more common then a JP party taking a EN player with them.

just today i was rejected by a whole 5 JP parties.there are those that let me in, of course, but most of them just want to play with JP players only.and for me being on gysahl (one of the bigger JP pop servers) this is a very bad deal.

you see, i love to play with everyone, as long i get to play i don't care.
but if ppl want regional servers they should have them.

i rather have those that want to play with players that speak the same language move to an regional server, instead of being bound to an global server.

just right now there is a JP player looking for some jobs i could offer to him for the moggle fight (and i know various strats for the fight, so the language barrier shouldn't matter at all) but he rather waits another hour to get the classes filled instead of inviting me.

i'm not happy with this crap.

There is no reason that existing players should have to be made to choose a new server due to making their server designated for a different region.

If people want to be segregated they should do it themselves, not force it on other people. Moving servers in a persistent online world is a potential hardship, it should not be forced on people who are fine with global servers because some people don't like playing on the same servers as Japanese players (or whatever group of people/"language" it might be).

The people who found themselves "suddenly in the wrong server for their region" would be unfairly put at a disadvantage.

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There's no way they're going to change current servers to regional ones. It's already official that we will have lower populated servers emptied by having the players there chose one of the higher populated servers to migrate to. Common sense dictates that those emptied servers will be re-introduced as regional servers for those who want such an experience.

However, imposing regional standards to existent global servers would be completely illogical and very counter-productive. That much is obvious.

@Murugan:

The whole racism argument you're trying to pull is silly and completely uncalled for. Regional servers aren't for segregation. It completely revolves around communication and time zones.

If your on a regional server then you will have lots of people to play with during your prime time, and will be able to communicate with everyone. These advantages cannot be ignored.

However there are advantages of global servers where you get to meet people from all over the world and perhaps even practice foreign languages you may be picking up, and also you get people to play with no matter what time of the day you log in.

That's why ideally it's best to have both, and for players to chose how they wish to experience their MMO. If you notice, in those advantages above I listed nothing pertaining to race. That's because this doesn't have to have anything to do with race.

It's almost 2012. There's no place for this level of ignorance.

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I already chose when I bought the game. It was to be on a global server. If you don't like the idea of playing with people who may speak other languages you can go to your own server and not potentially force me off mine.

There is a great ocean of difference between opening region based servers and allowing those with an issue to move to them, and segregating the existing population off of their servers away from their friends, customers, linkshells, and community they have been playing with for over a year.

One is saying "If you don't like playing with Japanese players (or whichever people they don't want to play with) you can go to this new server."

The other is saying "I'm sorry but your server is now a Japanese server (or whichever it happens to be designated) if you aren't Japanese you are on the wrong server".

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I already chose when I bought the game. It was to be on a global server.

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Actually you had no choice in the matter and still don't.

Unless you mean when you bought the game you understood that the servers were global, I hardly think they are the same thing.

As I said before though there is a whole thread on the JP forum about this and Yoshi-p is no doubt feeling pressured to go this route.

If you have such a big issue with it perhaps you should go over there and spout your nonscene and convince them to play with non JP players.

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Actually you had no choice in the matter and still don't.

Unless you mean when you bought the game you understood that the servers were global, I hardly think they are the same thing.

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Why not? If there had been an option I would have chosen the global one, but I knew having played XI that there were global servers.

The fact is I'm on my server, and I have existing social relationships with others on this server. If I am forced to move because Selbina becomes a Japanese server I would absolutely quit the game.

You have the problem here, you don't want to play with Japanese players. The Japanese players on your server should not be forced to leave their server because you don't want to play with them. You should leave if that is the case.

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Why not? If there had been an option I would have chose the global one, but I knew having played XI that there were global servers.

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Seriously !! ??

Just as I would have started on an EU server. (but as I said we weren't given a choice)

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You have the problem here, you don't want to play with Japanese players. The Japanese players on your server should not be forced to leave their server because you don't want to play with them. You should leave if that is the case.

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OMG !! its not that I dont' want to play with Japanese players, its that I want to play with people in my own time zone.

I am happy to leave and go to another server as I have already mentioned, You need to reread what Yoshi-p said obviously as he already stated that they will check the servers to see what the largest player base is to determine what the servers would be.

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Why not? If there had been an option I would have chosen the global one, but I knew having played XI that there were global servers.

The fact is I'm on my server, and I have existing social relationships with others on this server. If I am forced to move because Selbina becomes a Japanese server I would absolutely quit the game.

You have the problem here, you don't want to play with Japanese players. The Japanese players on your server should not be forced to leave their server because you don't want to play with them. You should leave if that is the case.

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to put it simply

no one should be forced to leave their server due to it being designated a specific type of server

thats what opening new servers are for

yes we know some people feel that only their opinion matters, but when you take the entire server population into account the only fair thing to do is keep all current servers global, and just merge servers not giving people a choice as to wehter they go to specific ones or not

opening up transfers later to remedy people being on a sevrer they dont want to be on is another story altogether

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Seriously !! ??

Just as I would have started on an EU server. (but as I said we weren't given a choice)



OMG !! its not that I dont' want to play with Japanese players, its that I want to play with people in my own time zone.

I am happy to leave and go to another server as I have already mentioned, You need to reread what Yoshi-p said obviously as he already stated that they will check the servers to see what the largest player base it to determine what the servers would be.

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So if Selbina happens to have a slightly larger Japanese population it is a Japanese server?

No, I don't think so. If Japanese players on Selbina don't want to share a server with Americans or Europeans they should be the ones to leave. I shouldn't be forced off of my server because some people want regional servers.

If you want an EU server, let them start one. You can choose to go to it. Your server however should not suddenly become the EU server and all Japanese/American people on your server suddenly become "on the wrong server" and have to move to either their regional servers, or the global ones.

You just said you would be fine with moving, so stop trying to segregate the rest of us against our will.

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So if Selbina happens to have a slightly larger Japanese population it is a Japanese server?

No, I don't think so. If Japanese players on Selbina don't want to share a server with Americans or Europeans they should be the ones to leave. I shouldn't be forced off of my server because some people want regional servers.

If you want an EU server, let them start one. You can choose to go to it. Your server however should not suddenly become the EU server and all Japanese/American people on your server suddenly become "on the wrong server" and have to move to either their regional servers, or the global ones.

You just said you would be fine with moving, so stop trying to segregate the rest of us against our will.

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Where are you getting the idea that you'll be forced off of Selbina? I don't think anyone wants that to be the case.

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Where are you getting the idea that you'll be forced off of Selbina? I don't think anyone wants that to be the case.

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Several people on this thread want that to be the case, and are implying Yoshida (Square Enix) also wants it to be the case.

If you make existing servers Japanese, or American, or European you are forcing people off of those servers.

About time to lock this topic. It already derrailed to "regional server discussion" a few pages ago and seems that won't come back to server merge topic any time soon... :/

I hope Rabanastre stays.... i love Rabanastre.

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Several people on this thread want that to be the case, and are implying Yoshida (Square Enix) also wants it to be the case.

If you make existing servers Japanese, or American, or European you are forcing people off of those servers.

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It's called new servers you big derp. Did you even read the post of mine you bothered quoting and replying to?

If you get forced off of Selbina, it will be because that server is being emptied due to it's low population. No other reason. All current servers are global and there is nothing to suggest that they will be made into regional ones. If we get regional servers, that will be in the future. Should that happen, I'm sure it will come with the option for anyone to migrate.

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LMAO how ignorant can one person be.. /sigh

Don't be fooled, the JP players have been asking for language specific servers for a long time.

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IIRC, the thread on the JP side that asked for language-based segregation was a 50/50 standoff like the thread on our side.

It's not as cut and dry as you think, so don't present it as such.

As someone looking to play with other people, I'd prefer regional servers because of time zones most specifically. I want to play with people that have play times around the same times that I play. I can't make accommodations to play on EU or JP times and if linkshells have to recruit people that can make these times, then it's quite inconvenient for me.

However, as a social person, I love the international servers. Unfortunately I play MMOs for more than socializing and at the moment I would have to take the side of wanting region specific servers. Has nothing to do with anything racial or whatever, it's purely time zone inconvenience.

With that said, though, I am glad they are doing server merges and it will make me reconsider paying the sub fee. I've been playing with 1.20 stuff the past few days and I like it, but the fact that there is only ~300-350 people (including AFKs) online on my server at any given time of my day (US CST) is kind of crappy. It's impossible to find anything outside of the linkshell and even that seems slow (probably due to SWTOR).

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So if Selbina happens to have a slightly larger Japanese population it is a Japanese server?

No, I don't think so. If Japanese players on Selbina don't want to share a server with Americans or Europeans they should be the ones to leave. I shouldn't be forced off of my server because some people want regional servers.

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This isn't about what you want, if Yoshi-p says this is the JP server you have little choice but to accept that, although I'm sure you would whine like a little school girl.

You will have the choice to move or stay where you are, do what you want, I really couldn't care less.

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You just said you would be fine with moving, so stop trying to segregate the rest of us against our will.

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Where is it that I am forcing you to do anything ? and stop talking on behalf of everyone else.

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IIRC, the thread on the JP side that asked for language-based segregation was a 50/50 standoff like the thread on our side.

It's not as cut and dry as you think, so don't present it as such.

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Where did i present it in such a manner ?

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As someone looking to play with other people, I'd prefer regional servers because of time zones most specifically. I want to play with people that have play times around the same times that I play. I can't make accommodations to play on EU or JP times and if linkshells have to recruit people that can make these times, then it's quite inconvenient for me.

However, as a social person, I love the international servers. Unfortunately I play MMOs for more than socializing and at the moment I would have to take the side of wanting region specific servers. Has nothing to do with anything racial or whatever, it's purely time zone inconvenience.

With that said, though, I am glad they are doing server merges and it will make me reconsider paying the sub fee. I've been playing with 1.20 stuff the past few days and I like it, but the fact that there is only ~300-350 people (including AFKs) online on my server at any given time of my day (US CST) is kind of crappy. It's impossible to find anything outside of the linkshell and even that seems slow (probably due to SWTOR).

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i like the idea of playing with time zones, but if the servers were done the way yoshi wants it and you have 1500-2000 on prime times on each time zone wouldn't that be better than regional servers?

the reason i say this is you may only play during the week in the evenings so you will be on during those hours and regional servers are great for that. the problem comes into if you have a day off and decided to jump in game round noon. regional servers would be ghost towns at noon. you have problems sleeping at night and hop on at 3am and once again you are in a mmo by yourself.

in global servers that is one of the advantages of them. if i get on at noon i jump on with the players from other areas. i may have some trouble communicating with them because i do not speak my language, but that doesn't stop half of my friends list from being jp/fr.

i have met some great people from other areas and am very rarely left out of one of their parties because i have made efforts to speak to the majority of the jp players on my server so most of them know who i am and know that i am joining a party with them to have fun. yes, i do not speak their language at all, but they do know that i am willing to try to speak with them using the translator or google to at least try to get the basics of what they are saying to me.

if i only got on at na primetime and never once signed in at any other time then i would not see an issue with being on a regional server. the thing is on days off or sleepless nights i am liable to be on at any time so i like a global server because i would not be on with the turbo crafters and npc's only.

Having mixed region servers is good for the players in more ways than the, "Your language is silly," encounters would suggest.

First, it creates servers that have activity on them 24/7. This helps the player economy (go to sleep, and wake up to find your items sold and fresh ingredients are up for sale). This also helps keeps costs down (rather than tripling up on servers that will remain mostly idle most of the day just to satisfy regional segregation). Lower operating costs means more money SE can spend on other things. Like moogle songs.

No one is forced to learn a new language just to play FFXIV. But you do have the chance to make friends with people around the world that you wouldn't normally have the opportunity to. I've been lucky to make friends in Japan in FFXI, even though we hardly understand each other. I'd rather strive for environment where these sorts of friendships are possible (even if it's a little difficult at times) than give in to ensuring it can never happen in exchange for some "comforting" linguistic purity.

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Howdy! Yoshida has made a post stating that the world merge is currently being planned and would like to share the details here as well.

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Hi, this is Producer/Director Yoshida here.

I understand your concern on the number of concurrent users.

Actually the world merge is currently in plan.

We will first analyze the number of players in the game after the billing service begins.
Based on that analysis, we will be running a simulation where the maximum concurrent access during the peak hours will become somewhere around 1500 to 2000 per World.
* The above number is provisional and not a finalized number.

And with the method on how the world merge will be done, it will not be done in a simple method where World A and World B will merge into a single new World.
In order for EU players to gather on the same server in a certain mass, we are planning to go with the method where the players from a World with a less population can designate the World they wish to transfer to.

With the details such as when and how it will be done, they will be announced once they are confirmed.
(I'm assuming that the next update should become available in mid-January.)

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Thank you for this sweet xmas gift!

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

EU players should come to Fabul. We have a sizable amount of EU players in my LS alone and we have been here since beta.

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No offense, but I think you misread; The way I read it is that some servers will be shutdown and Fabul will surely be among one of them considering that it's one of the servers with the lowest population. Go try other servers that were mentioned in this thread that have a good/large community of EU players and compare with the number of EU players who are on Fabul. You'll most likely will have to move your ls somewhere else, if everyone in it want to move on the same server, rather than have people coming on the server.

Global servers FTW.

Cheers and thank you again Yoshi for this sweet gift.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i like the idea of playing with time zones, but if the servers were done the way yoshi wants it and you have 1500-2000 on prime times on each time zone wouldn't that be better than regional servers?

the reason i say this is you may only play during the week in the evenings so you will be on during those hours and regional servers are great for that. the problem comes into if you have a day off and decided to jump in game round noon. regional servers would be ghost towns at noon. you have problems sleeping at night and hop on at 3am and once again you are in a mmo by yourself.

in global servers that is one of the advantages of them. if i get on at noon i jump on with the players from other areas. i may have some trouble communicating with them because i do not speak my language, but that doesn't stop half of my friends list from being jp/fr.

i have met some great people from other areas and am very rarely left out of one of their parties because i have made efforts to speak to the majority of the jp players on my server so most of them know who i am and know that i am joining a party with them to have fun. yes, i do not speak their language at all, but they do know that i am willing to try to speak with them using the translator or google to at least try to get the basics of what they are saying to me.

if i only got on at na primetime and never once signed in at any other time then i would not see an issue with being on a regional server. the thing is on days off or sleepless nights i am liable to be on at any time so i like a global server because i would not be on with the turbo crafters and npc's only.

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That's a valid point and it's definitely a con of regional servers, but I think I'd still prefer it. I like playing on a schedule sort of, as in, I like saying to my friends/linkshell/group "I can do content from 7-11 CST" and not have to worry about EU people not being able to make it or having to raid at bad times for them, etc. I would use those "noon" times to do solo activities like crafting or soloing an alt or something like that. Otherwise, a way to mitigate the effect (I can't speak for EU/Asian players) would be rather than make the servers strictly time zone restricted, is just make them like NA (Maybe include LA as well)/EU/Asian. NA time zones stretch across 5 hours? PST -> EST is 3 hr difference but I believe Hawaii is 5 hrs? I'd have to double check, but if I use WoW as an example, I play on an EST server and the server doesn't start dying down until around 1-2AM CST. If PST players played there as well tack another 2 hours onto that meaning things wouldn't slow down until 3-4AM CST( 4-5AM EST). There would only be a couple hours of dead time on the servers and I think the amount of people it would impact would be minimal.

If they really wanted to, they could just not force people to play on their region's servers. I know some people don't live the same lifestyle I do and may work third shift or something or for whatever other reason play during the NA "off-times", these people could have the option to play on an EU or JP server if they wish.

I've also met a lot of people from different regions that I have come to enjoy a lot. That and I'd probably miss all the hawt EU/Aussie accents. But what it comes down to at the end of the day for me is that I want to play the game and meet a certain level of productivity. I want to be able to do things on a consistent schedule, and it's hard when your linkshells have to work around vastly different time zones (EU/JP/etc.).

But of course it really comes down to the individual. It certainly seems like a less popular idea on the NA side than on the JP side, from what I've heard.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Because not only do you prefer to play with people speaking your language, you can't even be on a server with them.

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Not asking for region lock outs so your argument doesn't hold up.

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You must be on a server with your own kind, and if not your kind then they at least have to pass for one right? Maybe a Japanese person could play on an English server if you couldn't tell they were Japanese from their English.

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I must be on a server where the majority of the players speak the same language I do. Again, never asked for anyone to get locked out by geographic region, only that SE officially labels servers by preferred language and then people can decide what they want.

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No, there is not a tinge of racism in that at all I'm sure. You are wonderful people.

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If you had to hire a receptionist would you go for one that 80% (that's the proportion of Japanese players in Gysahl) of your customers don't understand? I bet nope.

And if she called a racist for rejecting her despite the fact that you explained to her that your decision is based not on her race or background but on her inability to communicate with most of your customers... wouldn't that make her a little retarded?

I do not feel a choice would work well honestly mainly it forces you to play in a specific time frame. If I can log in at 11am on a weekday I want to be able to find a party, not have to wait until 5-6pm.

Worse Economy, limited play time, volitility of foreign markets (NA/EU are more volital and more of them have quit compared to JPs).

I just feel the negative far outweigh the positives. I would rather have 1500-2000 ppl online near 24/hrs compared to 3500 ppl online for 5hrs then 300 ppl online the rest of the day.

Global servers keep the AH flowing better, things are always selling and being put on sale. Go to sleep with an AH full of good and you have 2 regions of buyers that can buy it before you log back on... instead of the put an item up at 11pm est then have to wait 2 days to sell it.

Global servers can be more heavily populated. You can put 8000-9000 ppl on 1 server on a global without grinding it to a halt because of the different play hours... put that many on a region specific and I think the XIV servers will catch on fire. This also effects the market in the part mentioned before.

If I am off work and want to get on at say noon, I can on global server I can easily play with the EU player... if it is regional I am forced to wait longer for more NAs to get online to even play the game... And no solo play is not an option.

Aion atm is one of the most popular and largest mmos on the planet with over 1.6 million players... unfortunately there is < 30k in NA. The game is all but dead in the west... XIV was not well recepted and with NA players foaming at the mouth for western titles like ToR and GW2.... well XIV risks Aion's fate as well. XI would of been in deep trouble as well without global servers for this same reason. Regional servers require much more frequent server merges which in tern make players panic quit because the "Game is Dying". Global servers simply keep the game alive longer. Imagine now if your XIV servers where NA only some servers would have 100-150 ppl only logged in instead of 300-600.

If regional servers are made I predict the NA and EU division of the game will simply collasp before 2.0 is released. And with a non-existent playerbase no one will buy the mmo at 2.0's relaunch no matter what improvements are made. There for you have a game that will thrive in JP and the NA/EU servers will simply shutdown, not because the game was not fixed, but because the majority of the population was removed due to region locking.

Having slightly lower latency in my opinion is not a fair trade out for all the above negatives...

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

I do not feel a choice would work well honestly mainly it forces you to play in a specific time frame. If I can log in at 11am on a weekday I want to be able to find a party, not have to wait until 5-6pm.

Worse Economy, limited play time, volitility of foreign markets (NA/EU are more volital and more of them have quit compared to JPs).

I just feel the negative far outweigh the positives. I would rather have 1500-2000 ppl online near 24/hrs compared to 3500 ppl online for 5hrs then 300 ppl online the rest of the day.

Global servers keep the AH flowing better, things are always selling and being put on sale. Go to sleep with an AH full of good and you have 2 regions of buyers that can buy it before you log back on... instead of the put an item up at 11pm est then have to wait 2 days to sell it.

Global servers can be more heavily populated. You can put 8000-9000 ppl on 1 server on a global without grinding it to a halt because of the different play hours... put that many on a region specific and I think the XIV servers will catch on fire. This also effects the market in the part mentioned before.

If I am off work and want to get on at say noon, I can on global server I can easily play with the EU player... if it is regional I am forced to wait longer for more NAs to get online to even play the game... And no solo play is not an option.

Aion atm is one of the most popular and largest mmos on the planet with over 1.6 million players... unfortunately there is < 30k in NA. The game is all but dead in the west... XIV was not well recepted and with NA players foaming at the mouth for western titles like ToR and GW2.... well XIV risks Aion's fate as well. XI would of been in deep trouble as well without global servers for this same reason. Regional servers require much more frequent server merges which in tern make players panic quit because the "Game is Dying". Global servers simply keep the game alive longer. Imagine now if your XIV servers where NA only some servers would have 100-150 ppl only logged in instead of 300-600.

If regional servers are made I predict the NA and EU division of the game will simply collasp before 2.0 is released. And with a non-existent playerbase no one will buy the mmo at 2.0's relaunch no matter what improvements are made. There for you have a game that will thrive in JP and the NA/EU servers will simply shutdown, not because the game was not fixed, but because the majority of the population was removed due to region locking.

Having slightly lower latency in my opinion is not a fair trade out for all the above negatives...

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Pffft, that only means you condense the NA players into fewer NA servers.

Having fewer NA Servers than JP servers doesn't hurt the game experience at all, being in a server where 80% don't talk your language does.