[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

Alright, I spent a little time making an accurate representation of player races, using some real life examples. This would be the disparity between heights - on average - if male viera were only slightly taller than (short) midlander. I used the WoL for the midlander.

https://i.imgur.com/OtyMW2K.png

As you can see on the right: We have an average, and tall man. Along with male viera, and the midlander WoL for reference. On the left is an example of a very tall man, in comparison with an average height man. Midlander wouldn't even show up, that's how short they are, even at max! This was quite a learning experience. I used an accurate scale, but boosted the midlander slightly up so he could show up in comparison.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

https://i.imgur.com/OtyMW2K.png

On the left is an example of a very tall man, in comparison with an average height man.

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Hmm, the left is someone who is 272cm, the one in the black tracksuit I don't know but is 216cm tall. Looking at Wikipedia I see USA people average as quite short, adult women only 163cm, and the USA men not that much taller (and still very short) at 177cm.

So, I am not sure the guy in the black tracksuit is "average height", certainly not in the USA, anyway. He'd be tall enough to be a basketball player with the average USA lady coming to his nipples.

Edit: Should mention that while USA women average to 163cm, this is 2 cm taller than a Au Ra girl. (I think that's less than a USA inch) So when you see your average Au Ra running about next to her Lizard BF, think hhmmm, that girl's USA female average height... yeah, she comes up to his nipples too, we get a better sense of the scale. Au Ra males are the size of the guy in black track suit.

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Originally Posted by Fencedude

"male characters in MMOs have always been taller" is not the banger argument you seem to think it is.

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Im not making an argument, i’m stating a fact. Just like i stated the fact Yoshi P equated them to Male Elezen. They’re going to be tall, people need to accept that otherwise they’re going to be the kinds of people crying and screaming over how they’ve been misled and this isn’t fair yadda yadda. It’s weird to me people need to try to push some kind of notion in a video game. They’re a fantasy race. Whatever height they’re given deal with it. This ain’t some weird propaganda political gender whatever.

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

I think folks just aren't understanding the perspective and the relative height of the items in the background. There is admittedly not a lot to go off of there.

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I'm just here to enjoy the show. :)

https://i.imgur.com/vqW2dEt.png

I'm going to give a great big "NO" to this. I think it's high time that a race has taller females than males.

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Originally Posted by Sophie_Lo

I'm going to give a great big "NO" to this. I think it's high time that a race has taller females than males.

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Female Roegadyn are very tall and are the least played race and gender combination present in the game.

Given that a lot of people, who actually play male characters as a first choice have been asking for another tall, conventionally attractive male option to play as I think it's perfectly fine for Viera men to be of equal or greater height compared to their female counterparts.

Individuals playing female characters already get the bulk of attention when it comes to new hairstyles (outside of Viera women, that is) since they're designed to be feminine or androgynous in many cases. I think it's fine for those of us who play male characters to get something that we'd like to see.

With all that said, it would appear based on the video that Viera men are on the taller side so I suspect they will be of equal or greater height to their female counterparts.

still laughing at the [critical]

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Originally Posted by Renik

I'm sorry if this felt disappointing, It's all I could do.

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That's alright, thanks for taking the time to do it. It's still a good comparison imo

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Unfortunately they are shorter then the females, but why is that an issue?

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Where did you get that information from? Not trying to start anything, just curious.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

What do you mean they’re shorter? There’s nothing to prove that lol.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Where did you get that information from? Not trying to start anything, just curious.

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Its based on this

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Now, as they very well know there was a very significant side of male Viera supporters who wanted male Viera to be tall, and that's what this thread will be about.
I support that they're short, I want them to be how they showed them but I would request that a tall option be given through the height slider

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So there is a chance that I hastily put that together the wrong way and misread.
Cause honestly, Im not following any information on the Male Viera that closely, all I care about at this point that there is a decent lore constructed to include them into the XIV world.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

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Oh I see, thought I might have missed something.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Oh I see, thought I might have missed something.

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Nah, Im probly just a derp.

why are people saying they're too short? when hrothgar/viera were revealed, they were shown at base (50) height

I still get a chuckle that at 6' flat I can't make a male Hyur the same height as me.

Like, there is a .6 of an inch gap between a tall midlander and a short highlander, and I fall right in the middle of it.

Edit: And for the record, I skew tall where I am from.

Edit: Found another viera comparision for thoose who want to see another one. The female viera is max height. https://imgur.com/a/z9Dydfk
fount it on reddit : https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ison_inn_room/

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

why are people saying they're too short? when hrothgar/viera were revealed, they were shown at base (50) height

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They will feel sadness when if they see they can't get past a max male highlander (very small right? xD).

good let them wallow in their sadness like the SSOS they are :P

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Originally Posted by _Koneko_

good let them wallow in their sadness like the SSOS they are :P

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No need to go that far tho lol having preferences is fine x) I mean i saw ppl wanting smol bunnies a lot because they don't like the fact that no race has taller females.
In the end the best thing is to let the developers do what they want and not trying force them.
And lets be honnest, a lot of ppl here (maybe me too) won't pick or won't stay viera when they'll get sick of not getting new haircuts. Even if viera get some, they won't have as mutch as others.
At best we will get some updates with 1 or 2 haircuts adapted to viera (that would be perfect tbh!) but certainly not everything at once.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

Edit: Found another viera comparision for thoose who want to see another one. The female viera is max height. https://imgur.com/a/z9Dydfk
fount it on reddit : https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ison_inn_room/



They will feel sadness when if they see they can't get past a max male highlander (very small right? xD).

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Here is another good height comparison.

This is a comparison between X height male viera and max height male midlander.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1s2rFkX...name=4096x4096
Source: Link

The male viera head does seem a little bigger, so the scaling might be a tad bit off. If this is the case, assume he's a little smaller than what the picture shows.

I made another height comparison but this time with female viera and male midlander.
https://i.imgur.com/816aVNv.png

Assuming the male viera in the trailer is at 50% height, the males and females should pretty much be the same height. (and also assuming the male viera don't have a wider height range.)

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Originally Posted by Senn

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1s2rFkX...name=4096x4096

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That's a pretty good one, the exact frame I used on mine, and seems like having a shorter character allows for a more accurate matching of the scene.

Now I'm really curious about how it would look with a min height female viera, but It seems like all the females doing comparisons are max height.

We are getting closer and closer to guessing their height thanks to the many comparisons, we will not know the exact values until we get the benchmark tho, or Yoshi gives them, looking at you devs, say something! <.<

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Originally Posted by Renik

That's a pretty good one, the exact frame I used on mine, and seems like having a shorter character allows for a more accurate matching of the scene.

Now I'm really curious about how it would look with a min height female viera, but It seems like all the females doing comparisons are max height.

We are getting closer and closer to guessing their height thanks to the many comparisons, we will not know the exact values until we get the benchmark tho, or Yoshi gives them, looking at you devs, say something! <.<

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We're getting closer for sure. And yeah, I'd like to see it compared to min height female viera too.

I personally want the male viera to be around the female viera height or somewhat taller to fill the "height hole" between male miqo'te and male elezen in terms of anime bishiness, because midlander hyur are jack of all trades on the twink to hunk scale and highlander are the beefcake/himbo option. That being said, I think a drastic difference between 0 height and 100 height male viera would be cute.

I do understand that most people are excited for male Viera and want to theorise how certain aspects of it will look like. That is more than ok. Also, I appreciate the androgynous-like look they've implemented to the gender. However, I find the approach used in this thread kinda outlandish in the sense that it is almost like you're telling an artist how to paint their piece and that's unsettling. Demanding things like this is just ludicrous and marking this request as "critical" is demagogic because it does not reflect anything critical at all (only to the person who wrote it, maybe). Male gender is soon to be implemented in the game... and the developers of this game should be allowed to operate in an equilibrium reached between their customers' needs/desires and their creative/developer freedom. You don't always get what you want and that's called compromise.

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Originally Posted by Vallaresi

I do understand that most people are excited for male Viera and want to theorise how certain aspects of it will look like. That is more than ok. Also, I appreciate the androgynous-like look they've implemented to the gender. However, I find the approach used in this thread kinda outlandish in the sense that it is almost like you're telling an artist how to paint their piece and that's unsettling. Demanding things like this is just ludicrous and marking this request as "critical" is demagogic because it does not reflect anything critical at all (only to the person who wrote it, maybe). Male gender is soon to be implemented in the game... and the developers of this game should be allowed to operate in an equilibrium reached between their customers' needs/desires and their creative/developer freedom. You don't always get what you want and that's called compromise.

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cant just be greatful they actually release them, now its time to be judgemental of how they chose to do so,
typical forums xD

Same/similar tired arguments made in the Male Viera support thread

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

Really guys, really.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

You're upset over a FINAL FANTASY game catering to LORE?
...maybe XIV just aint the MMO for you.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I think the new male race looks pretty sweet. Sorry it doesn't satisfy the I want a male Viera crowd but I'm sure there are plenty who wanted something like this. I can't wait to see many of the associated animations with both races.

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Originally Posted by SonKevin

Because resources are finite and this way they can make two distinctly different races then a single race with slight differences.

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Look who won out. The devs clearly do listen and clearly do change their minds. Specially if a height slider would get them more fantasias, more praise, more buzz. There is absolutely no reason why male Viera shouldn't have lengthy height slider; being the last male added to the game who doesn't look like something straight out world of warcraft they should be made to cover the tall side of the male side, as well as the average/short end.
It might turn out that they already designed them to be tall (or achieve a tall height through slider) already. Not supporting a femroe-like height slider, it might cross out a short male Viera option. Those wanting a short Viera might not get their wish at all.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Same/similar tired arguments made in the Male Viera support thread








Look who won out. The devs clearly do listen and clearly do change their minds. Specially if a height slider would get them more fantasias, more praise, more buzz. There is absolutely no reason why male Viera shouldn't have lengthy height slider; being the last male added to the game who doesn't look like something straight out world of warcraft they should be made to cover the tall side of the male side, as well as the average/short end.
It might turn out that they already designed them to be tall (or achieve a tall height through slider) already. Not supporting a femroe-like height slider, it might cross out a short male Viera option. Those wanting a short Viera might not get their wish at all.

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There was never a battle to begin with, if anything, the dev team releasing male viera[and Female Hrothgar] was predictable, for me the only surprise is that it was in 6.0 and not 7.0.
Also i fail to see how YOU not getting your way is critical.. Male Viera will get them more fantasia by default, until people get tired of not being able to wear hats or get hairstyles and they will buy fantasia again.
Also you said it yourself, its possible they are taller than they look via the slider, but shouldnt we wait for the benchmark to get a decent confirmation, and not assume the worse over something so little?

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Originally Posted by Sathona

There was never a battle to begin with, if anything, the dev team releasing male viera[and Female Hrothgar] was predictable, for me the only surprise is that it was in 6.0 and not 7.0.
Also i fail to see how YOU not getting your way is critical.. Male Viera will get them more fantasia by default, until people get tired of not being able to wear hats or get hairstyles and they will buy fantasia again.
Also you said it yourself, its possible they are taller than they look via the slider, but shouldnt we wait for the benchmark to get a decent confirmation, and not assume the worse over something so little?

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1. Just because you thought they would come out by 7.0 doesn't mean that everyone else did. The quotes above tell us much, I can find 10-20 more such examples claiming that these sorts of requests never work.
2. It's critical to me, and probably some others, live and let live.
3. Wait for benchmark? When benchmark comes out the chances they would consider this is very low. No, right now is the best time to bring it up. It's like asking those that created the Male Viera support thread to wait until 6.0 to request them because they already stated "we can't do it right now because of resources." Your advise is definitely not recommended.

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Originally Posted by Moonsprite

Even highlanders have cutesy emotes.

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I know it's not really on-topic, but how do female highlanders have cutesy emotes? I'd say they're expressive, but definitely not cute.

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Originally Posted by VacantStare

I appreciate you trying to twist my logic, but I'm sticking by what I said. Just let people have something that's slightly different when everything else already matches your wishes of having females smaller than boys.

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Nope, no reason to.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

That's unconfirmed. I'm inclined to think that the male Viera in the promotional footage were not necessarily set at their maximum possible height. We won't know for certain until the benchmark is out - which isn't likely to be until closer to the expansion's official release date.

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A lot of the comparisons being made are not on the same scale, and this one which at least makes an attempt to correct that does not suggest to me that they are in fact shorter - assuming the male there is max height, they'd be around the same. If not, taller. In the male elezen height range, which is unsurprising as Yoshi P compared them to that in past interviews. As you say though, we won't know for sure until the benchmark,

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Female Roegadyn are very tall and are the least played race and gender combination present in the game.

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Apologies for the delay. Yes, Roe women *are* taller than most other males of other races, but that's not what I meant. I meant that I believe its time that females were taller than their male counterparts *within* a race. The viera race might provide that very thing.

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Originally Posted by Sophie_Lo

Apologies for the delay. Yes, Roe women *are* taller than most other males of other races, but that's not what I meant. I meant that I believe its time that females were taller than their male counterparts *within* a race. The viera race might provide that very thing.

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Could that not be accomplished with female Hrothgar?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Could that not be accomplished with female Hrothgar?

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*huffs and pouts* Well yeaaaaahhh...

But I don't like the Hrothgar that much. XD

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Could that not be accomplished with female Hrothgar?

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Why cant it be Male Viera?
Female Hrothgar could do it to,but why not Male Viera?

Is there any reason Female Viera cant be taller then the Males?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Why cant it be Male Viera?
Female Hrothgar could do it to,but why not Male Viera?

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Yes! Give me my short man buns and will love them forever! <3

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Why cant it be Male Viera?
Female Hrothgar could do it to,but why not Male Viera?

Is there any reason Female Viera cant be taller then the Males?

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Besides the lore they’ve already established and Yoshi P already confirming their height range?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Besides the lore they’ve already established and Yoshi P already confirming their height range?

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Is that a Statement, or a Question?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Besides the lore they’ve already established and Yoshi P already confirming their height range?

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He said they would be like elezen and miqo'te, and that much is true. They do resemble both races, much like female viera did. However, he did not clarify their height. At all. That is still up in the air.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

He said they would be like elezen and miqo'te, and that much is true. They do resemble both races, much like female viera did. However, he did not clarify their height. At all. That is still up in the air.

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To be fair, he did also have to put out a statement specifically turning down the idea of child-like male viera. With that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to keep far away from anything resembling that aesthetic. :p

But yeah, ultimately as someone who actually plays male characters I'd prefer not to see both of the likely final races to be added to the game conform to niche aesthetics. Hrothgar are already the niche option and the same will likely be true when the women are added as well.

So with viera women being conventionally attractive I'd definitely appreciate and approve of their male counterparts being that way as well.

Though between the various in-depth comparisons done on various FFXIV related sites it's clear to me that the men are of at least equal height, if not a little taller so I'm happy.

We'll what happens when the benchmark arrives, though that's probably months away.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Though between the various in-depth comparisons done on various FFXIV related sites it's clear to me that the men are of at least equal height, if not a little taller so I'm happy.

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Oh yeah, it's certainly looking that way, and that's totally fine.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

To be fair, he did also have to put out a statement specifically turning down the idea of child-like male viera. With that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to keep far away from anything resembling that aesthetic. :p

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Shorter then the Females = Childlike?.....wha....?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Shorter then the Females = Childlike?.....wha....?

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It's what some people are pushing for. I suppose it was wrong of me to assume you were aware of that, though - I did as much because you were a frequent participant in the very same debates over in the main thread devoted to the topic of male viera. Though naturally things can slip one's mind which is perfectly understandable.

Either way, I'm firmly in the camp of more options for classically handsome male characters that are conventionally attractive.

Yeah, I am not too concerned with their height or build as more comparisons keep coming in. Whatever SE's vision is at this point, whether they are slightly taller, slightly shorter, same height, they look to be in a good height range. The only players I can see actually being disappointed by this, are people who want them taller or shorter for personal reasons, in my opinion. I'm more concerned with how customizable they will be, and further support for viera (both male and female).