Please lift glamour restrictions!

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Originally Posted by Theodric

You may want to ditch the not-so-subtle personal attacks and the smug sense of superiority if what you're after is a civil debate. Your view of 'everyone should be able to do what they want' isn't shared by everybody, nor is it necessarily the best stance for the developers to take.

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Really? After all the posts of people outright insulting me and calling me names, you're going to choose my rather mild in comparison annoyance (that wasn't smug at all) to call out?

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Because some people in this thread are bent on forcing other folk to only glamour what they approve of, while others want to just be able to glamour what we want. Only one of those groups is actually following the "live and let live" philosophy.

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You have it all wrong again. It isn't 'what we approve of' it is the lore that SE follows. SE limited it not us; some of us just agree with their decision on the matter. You want to get mad at people forcing on you what you can and cannot glamour then aim it at SE; not me like you are doing right now lol

Agreeing with a decision doesn't mean I, or anyone else here, was the one who forced it on you. Think about what you are saying. I don't own SE. I don't work at SE. I can post my suggestions/feedback, but it doesn't mean they are going to listen to me lol

You also don't understand why I said what I said about the live and let live and to each his own.

Live and let live means to not interfere with other people's preferences...thing is we aren't. Sharing opinions is something you are free to do and so is everyone else. If only YOU are allowed to share your opinions then you are interfering with other people's rights to share theirs; it just doesn't work that way Naunet. We don't make the decisions so we are not the ones interfering with your preferences. You could argue that SE is the one interfering...but it's THEIR game...they can do what they want with it even if it means setting fire to the servers tomorrow.

To each his own means each person is entitled to his or her own personal tastes and opinions and not to be judgemental about them. Saying that and then laughing that people are arguing something that is a "no-brainer" is being judgemental...total hypocrisy. Which is why I responded.

If you notice I never once said yours or bswpayton's opinions were laughable I actually wrote twice that I concede you guys have a point about more options is better and I understand why you want it, but I just also feel like it would be unfair to take that already very small amount of gear, that is special since it is locked to a single job, away from people who have a preference for some of those features to be included in the game. Take it away and then the idea of job specific gear that only one job can wear/glamour is removed altogether. What about people who like that feature? Most of you who want the restrictions removed aren't willing to compromise even though you have the vast majority of the gear available to you already.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

... Its a game not a law book, and its wrong of you to say we dont care about the game otherwise why would we be makin suggestions that we believe would improve the game play for the majority of players that arent stubborn about folklore.

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I never said you don't care about the game. I said you fail to understand what makes Final Fantasy XIV a Final Fantasy experience and game. If you have to reword what someone tells you in order to make a point, then it is pointless to continue a discussion with you.

It is difficult to take a console based game and put it in the MMORPG world and keep the same feel. They learned a lot from XI, and XIV has provided the closest to that experience from what I have played through thus far. Your arguments about the level 1 gear, and no one wearing their AF are all irrelevant because you fail to see why it is so important for certain principles of this franchise to remain intact. This is the law book that you think doesn't exist, but it in fact does.

Read post 268 by ReplicaX, and you should get a good idea at exactly how the devs feel about their game.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

And Esoterics (though I feel a few of these sets weren't really popular).
The only "AF's" I wouldn't have locked are the Crafters and Gatherer gears. So many neat designs that we rarely get to see :(

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Yea, I feel those pieces should say "Specific Crafter, Disciples Of War Or Magic" or "All Classes". DF would need a warning though if someone tried to go in actually wearing crafting gear as armor instead of as glamour, something like "One or more party members thinks they'll build a bridge to the boss."

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I honestly wouldn't care? People really need to stop getting so angry about what OTHER PEOPLE glamour on THEIR characters.

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I'm not angry, and I don't care what people glamour on their characters. But this isn't about what people are choosing to glamour; this is about what people want to glamour, and I do care very much about compromising the integrity and identity of the franchise that has been a part of my gaming history for the better part of two decades.

Please lift glamour restrictions! Its so annoying to build a style but soon realizing, its not possible due to class restrictions. Especially some cosplay glamours would be so nice, when you have a larger variety of items you can choose from.

But not only for classes, it would love to wear some race-/gender-specific gear for my character, too. Like the Elezen hands and Miqo'te skirt for my Au Ra. Or the Hempen Camise, which is different for each race. The Miqo'te and Hyur-version of this item is so beautiful!

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Ok and various other mmos let you wear gear that you want also, thats kinda my point that SE if enough people wanted such a thing then they would make it happen. The Identification was taking away as soon as the game sent out their first chocobo head or santa suit, as far as Identification in this game most of the time the only way you know is by viva soul crystal or the weapon thats out at the time.

So dont act like making this change would all of a sudden make it even harder to identify because you cant even do this now as is, the only way any of the counter arguments on here would make sense is if the game never allowed any sorts of armor to be glamed other than what would be deemed job appropriate.

But they did my very picture is not me in my whm, summoner, blm, or any caster gear this is my dark knight, nobody has every said omg why are you wearing a mags hate on your drk you arent drk appropriate. You guys are spending to much time worried about the next person.

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Various other mmo's don't have the legacy of Final Fantasy. Most are nothing but mmo to begin with.
You also miss the identification point completely. It is not about the person wearing the gear, it is about the gear itself.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Really? After all the posts of people outright insulting me and calling me names, you're going to choose my rather mild in comparison annoyance (that wasn't smug at all) to call out?

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Nobody did this. Don't victimise yourself, there is no point to do this. :s
And yeah, it was smug. The general tone of your comment certainly was. Others did the same, but at least they aren't saying the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I always try to see both sides of things, but in this case it is really difficult to do so when one side just can't understand why regardless of the circumstances, or how a game is structured, it is simply inappropriate for one job to be wearing OR GLAMOUR ANY of the pieces of artifact gear from another job. If you can't get it through your heads why it just isn't ok, then you just don't understand Final Fantasy.

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This may explain why none of your arguments make any sense at all to me.
I have never played any of the other Final Fantasy games. I have no desire to play them, and the whole Final Fantasy franchise means nothing to me. I suspect this is true for a large number of other FFXIV players as well.

In my view the identity of jobs lie in their abilities, not their looks. Few players in-game wear their "iconic" gear anyway - suggesting that most don't care for it.

I'm really hoping that we can get some sort of out reach going so the devs can actually move towards this direction in the future. I'm sorry for those whom disagree there is just really no argument considering our current glamour system.

Yes we want it all and there is nothing wrong with that this is a video game, so unbreakable rules or lore really shouldnt be an issue that happens in real life this is not real life and its a made up fantasy world. So Im hoping that something changes in the future because like I said this would hopefully enhance the glamour system to become better than it is now, and its truely something everyone can do. Everyone doesnt raid, everyone doesnt craft, but many if not all people use the glamour system and I hope we can actually get these restrictions lifted at some point.

To those against,
Soooo... only us smn (perhaps sch too) should be allowed to wear Yuna's outfit as glamour? :)

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Originally Posted by Anyan

To those against,
Soooo... only us smn (perhaps sch too) should be allowed to wear Yuna's outfit as glamour? :)

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Yes
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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I'm sorry for those whom disagree there is just really no argument considering our current glamour system.

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Just because you choose to ignore them doesn't mean there is non.

And no, "fantasy" doesn't mean there is no rules. Even fantasy worlds are coherent; despite the fact that we can wear pig suits or bikinis (because... Well, people explained that too, but better to ignore it to make your points, i guess). So, you should stop with that fantasy card, because it makes no sense.

And it's not because "all" people use the glamour system that we have to change how the AFs work... Yes, there is some improvements to do about the glamour system, but the way you want is just not the good one.

Anyway, I'm still hoping for more various designs, like armors for casters or even robes for tanks, but made for them.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

To those against,
Soooo... only us smn (perhaps sch too) should be allowed to wear Yuna's outfit as glamour? :)

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I see what you did there. :rolleyes:

It's already restricted by gender, so your male Mi'qote can't wear it.

I'm with Wanzer on this one.
More diverse gear options per job/class? Sure^^
Abandoning the system and just let everyone glamour everything? No.

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

I see what you did there. :rolleyes:

It's already restricted by gender, so your male Mi'qote can't wear it.

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Roe men in Yuna's garb when? Big guys wanna be pretty too.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

Roe men in Yuna's garb when? Big guys wanna be pretty too.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Yes, the Abes attire is for male characters and the High Summoner attire is for female characters.

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Originally Posted by Wanzer

Just because you choose to ignore them doesn't mean there is non.

And no, ".

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Because of the very nature of this game there simply shouldn't be any restrictions at all on glamour, and there is no excuse for the pig suit it doesn't matter if its level one all can wear or not.

Cause I'm sure if it was only exclusive to monks then you would be saying that only monks should be able to wear the monk pig suit. You cant tell players look you can be any job you want in this game all 24 of them, but when your playing them you have to pretend like they are all separate from each other. To restrict glamoured gear to me totally defeats the purpose of letting do them all on my single character, as I mention there is a big rp portion of the community and some people like to tie their jobs together.

I dont play my jobs as if they are all different things as I mention, the game doesn't make sense of the job system so I create my own system because as a player I have the freedom to do so regardless of what anyone else says. So if I would like to play my drk as a blm with a sword , or paladin as my whm with a sword and shield, are any other match Id like to do because I can level all on one it makes sense to me. So what lifting these restrictions would do is allow me to play into my rp even more , just like it would do for anyone else, that likes to play the game as they please instead of following lore from 13 other games its ok for me to do this.

I really hope that the next job is gona be something that its totally not suppose to be like a blue mage as a tank so that people can see that the lore changes based on how the devs want it to change. Just like I mention before in one game drk was a dps in this game they are tanks so if I see SE changing their lore as they see fit then Im not gona hold it to some gold standard if the very company that makes the lore isnt even doing it themselves.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Because of the very nature of this game there simply shouldn't be any restrictions at all on glamour,

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If for you they shouldn't have any "restrictions", then you really don't know how fantasy worlds are made. :|
By the way, there is already some mmo with no real restrictions, they mostly feel very empty because they lose (or never had) their own identity.
Iconic gears are very important.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I really hope that the next job is gona be something that its totally not suppose to be like a blue mage as a tank so that people can see that the lore changes based on how the devs want it to change. Just like I mention before in one game drk was a dps in this game they are tanks so if I see SE changing their lore as they see fit then Im not gona hold it to some gold standard if the very company that makes the lore isnt even doing it themselves.

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Well... Then why don't you just accept what the dev team wants ? Especially since they already said how the AFs are important to them in this way.

And nothing wrong with a mage tank. :)
DRK was a DPS in FFXI and changed to tank for FFXIV. But once the things are added (with their back stories etc), there is no point to break them just to wear a different panty.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

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I think you are confusing lore with the series tradition. DRK being a dps isnt lore, thats tradition. Lore, is what keeps the jobs seperated. Lore is what keeps everything consistent and fitting within the world. And if a gear set has a story tied to a job, it should stay locked to that job.
All of the artifact sets have lore tieing them to their respective job.

You are also not learning every job and becoming one super job. That is not the point of the quests. The point is that you learn many differing varieties of combat, separate from one another. You get a job crystal that allows you to use the actions of the specified job. Yes there are skills your character just has learned themselves. And those can be used through the crossclass system. Ever wondered why the amount of skills available for crossclass increases when youre just a class? a job is for a specific purpose. and so is their gear.

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Originally Posted by Wanzer

If for you they shouldn't have any "restrictions", then you really don't know how fantasy worlds are made. :|
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The actually jobs themselves give out the identity not the gear, you know like , different weapons, and abilities job quest all of those things. If you are wearing a bunny suit during all of this it doesn't make you lose that identity, lets just be real here like I've said if you remove these restrictions you guys are just automatically assuming that then all of a sudden people are gona start wearing from head to toe full on af gear sets.

Is the op asking to put the whole summoner set on his scholar no, when Ive mention stuff am I requesting to put a whole entire set AF gear on another job nope. What removing this restriction would do is open the door to paste over hats, gloves, boots, stuff like that. And even if people used chest pieces or pants that still doesnt mean that they would then wear the whole entire set on a different Job. Like I said I'm on three servers and I hardly ever see people wearing job specific gear the whole entire set very rarely.

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Originally Posted by Enur

I think you are confusing lore with the series tradition. DRK being a dps isnt lore, thats tradition. Lore, is what keeps the jobs seperated. Lore is what keeps everything consistent and fitting .

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I totally know what your saying like when you get sent on job quest etc, and they are like this is the holy set of this or that something of the sort.

I get that part ,but the world isnt gona end if my blm wants to wear the white mage gloves. Everyone seems to be thinking full on gear sets when even this very post is just a pair of boots, if they lifted this restrictions would their be some people wearing full gear sets just because sure. But I'm ok with lifting said restrictions so people that just want smaller pieces can just mix and match them with other glamour outfits they choose. The very first two examples were a single pair of boots, and a pair of pants neither of them where full on gear sets. IF people get this out of their head, that more than likely the majority of players askin for this change arent asking to wear an entire gear set on a different job then maybe they would see that its not really that big of a deal.

As I mention earlier on this tread the lore does not explain the job system in ff 14, so if I as a player wants to play as if Im one single job then why cant I the game didnt explain it to me and I didn't play other ff games with the same job system so it just leaves the notion essentially in my own hands.

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

I see what you did there. :rolleyes:

It's already restricted by gender, so your male Mi'qote can't wear it.

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This is not about gender restrictions though. Funny how absolutely no one can give me any answer besides sarcasm. I guess I should have added a *drops mic* after.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

This is not about gender restrictions though. Funny how absolutely no one can give me any answer besides sarcasm. I guess I should have added a *drops mic* after.

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You want an answer? Okay.

FFX doesn't use the iconic job system. Which has been said before; not all FF titles have the job system, but the ones that do have the job lore specific gear in them is the majority of the titles released. FFX has a different system called the sphere grid; anyone can be anything and learn all abilities/spells. I had my Yuna blasting stuff with Black Magic half way through the game.

FFXIV uses the job system you don't have Summoner's using Blizzard IV. If your character could be all jobs at once and learn all abilities of all jobs and use them all at once then you could compare FFXIV to FFX. As it stands you can only make use of one soul stone at a time so even if you level all jobs, learn all abilties, you are still limited to the abilities and spells the soul stone is associated with.

Also a Kimono is not the traditional Summoner gear so as soon as you saw how the characters dressed in FFX you would know they choose not to follow it for that title. Summoner lorewise has a horn, green, beige, and sometimes red colours and sometimes wings. So this thing about only summoner's wearing just a plain kimono that has no link to the traditional summoner gear doesn't work for this argument really.

Here some examples if you notice they aren't really anything like what Yuna was wearing:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110115132325

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...T_Summoner.jpg

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Is the op asking to put the whole summoner set on his scholar no, when Ive mention stuff am I requesting to put a whole entire set AF gear on another job nope. What removing this restriction would do is open the door to paste over hats, gloves, boots, stuff like that. And even if people used chest pieces or pants that still doesnt mean that they would then wear the whole entire set on a different Job. Like I said I'm on three servers and I hardly ever see people wearing job specific gear the whole entire set very rarely.

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Yeah, i already understood that : You just want to remove the restrictions just for being able to wear some parts of the AFs. We got it. Like, at the first message. But again, you choose to ignore a part of my previous message, referring to another message that you also ignored just to make your point (the one about the dev team).

You even said :

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I really hope that the next job is gona be something that its totally not suppose to be like a blue mage as a tank so that people can see that the lore changes based on how the devs want it to change. Just like I mention before in one game drk was a dps in this game they are tanks so if I see SE changing their lore as they see fit then Im not gona hold it to some gold standard if the very company that makes the lore isnt even doing it themselves.

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Then again... Why don't you just accept what the dev team wants ? Especially since they already stated how the AFs are important to them. DRK was a DPS in FFXI and became a tank in FFXIV, and we all accepted it. And there is nothing wrong with a mage tank. But, again, once things are added and we are all aware of its purpose/lore/identity, there is no point to argue about it. It is what it is. So, your example about the BLU is kinda... Bleh.

And you totally missed the point when i talked about the identity of the game. But... Well, as you just take what you want for your next message to proclaim that there is no relevant arguments around, I shouldn't bother to explain.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Like I said I'm on three servers and I hardly ever see people wearing job specific gear the whole entire set very rarely.

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And now your eyes are able to bring us some real statistics. It's so beautiful.
But... From my point of view, it's not that rare to find people wearing AFs. Sooo... Maybe we shouldn't go on that way. That makes no sense. ^^

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Originally Posted by Enur

I think you are confusing lore with the series tradition. DRK being a dps isnt lore, thats tradition. Lore, is what keeps the jobs seperated. Lore is what keeps everything consistent and fitting within the world. And if a gear set has a story tied to a job, it should stay locked to that job.
All of the artifact sets have lore tieing them to their respective job.

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Lore that we experienced when doing the job quests, and then that item is in our possession. Considering the lore behind what a glamour is, there's no reason a person who has gone through and been gifted these clothes shouldn't be able to use them as they see fit. I've never seen any indication in-game that NPCs would be upset or feel like a job was "desecrated" if the player character would wear a glamour using pieces of an outfit they earned while not that particular job.

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Originally Posted by Miste

You want an answer? Okay.

FFX doesn't use the iconic job system. Which has been said before; not all FF titles have the job system, but the ones that do have the job lore specific gear in them is the majority of the titles released. FFX has a different system called the sphere grid; anyone can be anything and learn all abilities/spells. I had my Yuna blasting stuff with Black Magic half way through the game.

FFXIV uses the job system you don't have Summoner's using Blizzard IV. If your character could be all jobs at once and learn all abilities of all jobs and use them all at once then you could compare FFXIV to FFX. As it stands you can only make use of one soul stone at a time so even if you level all jobs, learn all abilties, you are still limited to the abilities and spells the soul stone is associated with.

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So it only matters if the system is exactly the same as in this game?

Yes, besides cross class abilities (which the sphere grid loosely resembles) we are limited to certain skills/spells depending on our soulstone but what has that to do with glamour?
I get it if we can't actually wear the gear because majyks but we're not actually wearing it, it's just an illusion.
I really, really don't understand why y'all care so much about how other people dress, design and style their characters.

edit: I just thought of something funny. Well it's funny to me at least. Doesn't this discussion remind you of those sjw complaining about cultural appropriation? NO, you can only wear this or that depending on where you are from (what class you play). XD

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Originally Posted by Anyan

So it only matters if the system is exactly the same as in this game?

Yes, besides cross class abilities (which the sphere grid loosely resembles) we are limited to certain skills/spells depending on our soulstone but what has that to do with glamour?
I get it if we can't actually wear the gear because majyks but we're not actually wearing it, it's just an illusion.
I really, really don't understand why y'all care so much about how other people dress, design and style their characters.

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The people with the borderline obsessive fixation on what people can and can't wear are the people saying there's no possible argument against lifting restrictions on glamour just because they want it and choose to ignore what others say about it (and choose to ignore Square Enix's own say in this, because obviously they know better than the game's creators!).

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Originally Posted by Wanzer

Yeah, i already understood that : You just want to remove the restrictions just for being able to wear some parts of the AFs. We got it. Like, at the first message. But again, you choose to .

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That's not my intentions to ignore what people are sayin and I apologize if it came across in that manner. But I just simply cant accept every piece of lore in the game like you guys do, I've mention cutting corners, if lore was so important then we wouldn't be getting a jump potion the devs would stick by their own lore. Lore is only a portion of the game, keeping subs, and having people enjoy the game will always trump lore, to lores standards then they better not give people that use jump potions any of the level 50 af gear because the only way that you would receive such gear is by doing the things in that job quest lore story line.

The very jump potion post is blaming said lore , for the whole reason in creating it in the first place. So you cant expect me to acknowledge that lore is set in stone when this year people will have access to skipping every bit of lore that we have play through in the entire game(which im 100 percent ok with btw). If players can skip through the very core of lore which is the story of the game , then there is absolutely no reason that lore should hold players back from wearing boots from another job.

You can not have it both ways and say that lore is not important enough to where players can skip the story if they pay money thus skipping everything and having it completed, and then on the other hand say that lore is to important to where it holds players back from creating a glamour choice.


On a side note how do you guys re edit , your post and put quests in and stuff , I been tryin to figure out how to do this for the longest and its not working Ive never used a forum until this game so im clueless.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

The people with the borderline obsessive fixation on what people can and can't wear are the people saying there's no possible argument against lifting restrictions on glamour just because they want it and choose to ignore what others say about it (and choose to ignore Square Enix's own say in this, because obviously they know better than the game's creators!).

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Lol what? XD You guys are the ones telling people what they can or can't wear. The OP is asking for the restriction to be lifted. You know, like all the other things SE has changed due to popular demand.
You might think glamouring class specific gear is where the line is drawn but that's your opinion. There is no reason to get nasty, condescending and an overall a-hole like you have been, not only in this thread but in several others too, just because you disagree with something.
I've never seen anyone asking for a change to claim they know better that the devs.

Seriously y'all, this is a GAME! Why the ever loving fudge do you care so much about what other people wear?

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Originally Posted by Anyan

Lol what? XD You guys are the ones telling people what they can or can't wear. The OP is asking for the restriction to be lifted. You know, like all the other things SE has changed due to popular demand.
You might think glamouring class specific gear is where the line is drawn but that's your opinion. There is no reason to get nasty, condescending and an overall a-hole like you have been, not only in this thread but in several others too, just because you disagree with something.

Seriously y'all, this is a GAME! Why the ever loving fudge do you care so much about what other people wear?

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And we're here to make it perfectly clear that it is an opposed idea, not unanimously supported. We aren't telling anyone they can't do anything. We're telling them we agree with the system already put in place for Glamour and that it doesn't need changing.

Because it doesn't, people just need to be more creative rather than screaming that, ahem, not having every possible option is the same as having no options.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

Lol what? XD You guys are the ones telling people what they can or can't wear. The OP is asking for the restriction to be lifted. You know, like all the other things SE has changed due to popular demand.
You might think glamouring class specific gear is where the line is drawn but that's your opinion. There is no reason to get nasty, condescending and an overall a-hole like you have been, not only in this thread but in several others too, just because you disagree with something.

Seriously y'all, this is a GAME! Why the ever loving fudge do you care so much about what other people wear?

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Some people like the consistency in the game. :o Being able to tell jobs apart because they are distinct is one of the things I personally love and I probably wouldn't have picked the game up at all if that distinctness in design wasn't there at all. I hate games where everything is generic because then it becomes a very visually boring game.

The lore of this game comes in two variations: Gameplay explanations and World Building

The latter is the serious and heavy lore of the MSQ, Sidequests and similar. Here the lore is written first, then gameplay is applied

The former is the opposite. Here the gameplay is created first, then an explanation for why that happens comes second.


On the subject of glamour crystals it is definately the former that applies. It was player input that created the system. The rules are therefor more fluid. I get that. It is not lore that makes them unusuable by other jobs.

But as many has stated, the artifact armor is special. It is.. well. an artifact. Yes you could wear them on any job if this was a more realistic setting, but that would diminish the specialness that comes with it. Instead of being an artifact suited for a specific job it just becomes another piece of equipment.

The game needs iconic gear as a means to show how great new players eventually could become. Just remember the iconic DRG artwork. If anyone could equip that whole set without being a DRG that would essentially make it no longer a DRG set, despite obviously looking like the classic DRG's that preceed it.
This would cause confusion among new players. What even is a WAR if the only thing that makes it a WAR is the job stone?

bswpayton, you say that it'll be alright beecause not everyone will equip the whole set. That is untrue, just the option to equip the entire set on a job that isnt made for it devalues it completely. The latter lore example; the world building, is applied to artifact armor. It is there because the lore dictates it. And yes, the job system is explained, albeit very badly, in game. It took me a while before i understood.

tldr: Artifact Armor is special, and if everyone is special, noone is.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

So it only matters if the system is exactly the same as in this game?

Yes, besides cross class abilities (which the sphere grid loosely resembles) we are limited to certain skills/spells depending on our soulstone but what has that to do with glamour?
I get it if we can't actually wear the gear because majyks but we're not actually wearing it, it's just an illusion.
I really, really don't understand why y'all care so much about how other people dress, design and style their characters.

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I don't care how you want to dress your character though you just think I do.

SE decided to make this game follow the job system and have the traditional gear. Yeah, some of the titles don't have it but when they created FFXIV they added it so I wish it to stay that way. It is just about being a fan of the series and wanting to keep a major tradition intact since they decided to make it that way. It's not like I actually enjoy trying to argue against your ideas and desires, it isn't personal. It's just that the game is part of the FF series and it deserves to keep some traditions intact.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

Lol what? XD You guys are the ones telling people what they can or can't wear.

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No...? SE told you what you can and cannot wear/glamour. Not us. Not sure how so many in this thread still say stuff like this.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

The OP is asking for the restriction to be lifted. You know, like all the other things SE has changed due to popular demand.

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I'm not so sure the demand is popular.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Some people like the consistency in the game. :o

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You keep saying this but when I log into the game I dont see what you are referring to at all. I see a staff, swords, fists , a bow etc, but that's the only form of consistency in the game. The only thing I don't see is casters in metal armor what I'm asking for. But everything else is basically everyone just glaming to their hearts desire, I cant tell what job is what esp if the players doesn,t have their weapons out there is no job identity what so ever compared to other games, with fewer options.

So what would my friend with the snow man hat and the robe on be identified as , what about the people wearing all moogle gear what job is that in the lore. Are those in the pig suits what identity are they, I see people in bikinis and short skirts , and moogle slippers on a daily basis more than I do those with no glamour at all. The only form of true Identity to characters is their main hand weapon and in the pali case their shield. Other than that its to much crazy gear in this game for the type of identity u are referring to. And Im not even on a rp server so I could only image some of the stuff people wear on balmung or other places.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

-snipped-I could only image some of the stuff people wear on balmung or other places.

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You can't argue with people as stubborn as this. You can plead your case but it'd be just as effective as trying to turn Thancred gay.

Though lets use this as an example. Could it happen? If the devs want to cash in on those fujoshi bucks. And we got a loooot of money to spare. Would it be wrong? According to some people's opinions- opinions not facts or going to some religious scriptures! Opinions, answer goes both ways. Would Square profit from it? Maybe, I think it could, but someone will disagree.

And that's all you have to accept, that some will agree, others will disagree and will get as passive aggressive as they possibly can about it because it's a forum. Let's not turn this into another Jump Potion thread where people are still arguing in circles.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

This may explain why none of your arguments make any sense at all to me.
I have never played any of the other Final Fantasy games. I have no desire to play them, and the whole Final Fantasy franchise means nothing to me. I suspect this is true for a large number of other FFXIV players as well.

In my view the identity of jobs lie in their abilities, not their looks. Few players in-game wear their "iconic" gear anyway - suggesting that most don't care for it.

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I really couldn't care less that it means nothing to you. If that is your attitude, why should the devs care about your feelings towards the matter, or even remotely consider lifting the restrictions?

Your view of what defines jobs is just fine. Recognize though that it is not the same as the devs and longtime fans of the franchise. Aesthetics and identity is very important to the iconic jobs of the franchise whether you accept it or not. The world doesn't revolve around you.

I'm fine with lifting glamour restrictions as long as artifact gear remains Job exclusive. I think that's fair.

What I love is you get people saying "DEVs said no already, shut up" then quote like 3-6 words from 3 years ago.

There are many instances where way back when the Devs said things that they have since gone back on. Let's see:

No NE Claws for Monks
No using "DOZE" outside of a house/room.
Personal housing would be cheaper then FC housing
You'll never have to have upkeep actions/cost for housing
PVP will always be GC locked

Shall I go on? If you don't want to glamour everything say it, I respect the ones just being honest and saying so. But those making the "SE said so" argument, it just seems weak to me as they have changed their stances as much as a WAR does in Alex.

Personally my view of this debate is freedom is good, but maybe not with iconic stuff. Though there are a few things I would like to see added to the "all" pile.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Being able to tell jobs apart

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Thank you for being honest in a kind manner. Few use the artifact gear though so the only way you can tell jobs apart is by what weapon they have, and you're able to do that regardless of their gear. I get what you're saying even if I personally don't care.

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Originally Posted by Enur

if everyone is special, noone is.

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Is this were I insert some special snowflake meme?

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Originally Posted by Miste

I don't care how you want to dress your character though you just think I do.
I'm not so sure the demand is popular.

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You kinda are though. You care wether or not I dress my ast with smn gloves glamoured on, don't you? Never claimed the demand was popular. I just pointed out that SE change their minds about some things. If this demand became popular enough I wouldn't be surprised if they'd be willing to lift the restriction.

Honestly, I don't care that much. The only job specific gear I can name on the top of my head that I thoroughly love is the smn set, and I'm able to wear that whenever I play my main job so it doesn't really affect me. But I've never understood people who cares so much about things like traditions. I just don't. I'm not here because I really want this feature, I'm here to say that I'd be totally OK if it got implemented because to me it doesn't matter at all what people wear.

edit: Oh, and if SE came out and said no to being able to glamour the specific job/artifact gear I'd understand that in a way. The restriction between DoW and DoM though is just silly to me.