#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I don't think the solution would be to remove healing from Tanks and support from non-Healers, but rather just give healers more things to do. As they keep giving more oGCDs heals and they keep buffing tank self-heals and as bosses damage gets more centered around just tank busters, it effectively gives Healers more downtime to do something other than heal which isn't inherently a bad thing.
But the problem is that they also have to actually have to give Healers something to do with the downtime, the best we currently have is spamming one spell for 27 seconds.

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The problem is that, even if they gave us more to do during downtime, it's only a bandaid fix at best. Content isn't being designed with the new tools being made available in mind because they physically can't do that. Every job has different levels of utility in terms of group mitigation/healing, with some DPS such as DRG, SAM and BLM not really having any tools beyond Feint/Addle, so the content can't be designed with the tools that a MNK, RPR or DNC bring to the table. WHM has the lowest number of mitigation tools among healers and GNB/DRK have weaker group mitigation than WAR/PLD as well. So to ensure that these jobs are able to clear the content as effectively as the other jobs, SE has to design content with the lowest common denominator in mind, which causes content to be trivialized as a combination of some jobs having too much group utility and the content itself being undertone. You could argue player skill is also a factor but when players aren't asked to ever get better either, then you hit the point where we are today where 1 good player can more than compensate for 3-7 bad players. It's a problem of SE's own make and they need to find a way to fix it.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I wouldnt be surprised if they nerfed healing potencies, just as a result of this uproar. It's not the first time, they listened to feedback and made jobs worse. I'd be careful what I'm asking for, generally it doesnt end up to well. And I really dont want to sit there and spam my cure II. I dont find that really engaging.

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Not disagreeing but honestly I’d love if healing was so low potency that you really had to make good use of every tool possible; shielding, mitigation, proactive healing like Excogitation, healing support tools like Protraction. Throwing DoTs out so you can still ‘deal damage’ when gcd healing, filler spells where possible since you really want the mobs to die faster. In my opinion that’d be much more fun than things like adding extra steps to DPS mechanics.

Naturally though I’m well aware that there’s a literal Mount Everest of reasons why that wouldn’t work with FFXIV’s design, if not just because it would be too much for many players to find enjoyable because of how high damage values would need to be for such a thing to be possible. Logically the only conclusion is leaving healing mostly as it is and expanding the dps options (and ofc looking at things like tank sustain) and that generally seems to be what players want, from what I understand. Not ‘less healing’ but not ‘significantly higher than what we currently see, and with expanded dps options that are actually GCDs and not 120s cooldowns lol

please check out my response

What I like about this Strike is people are giving valid opinions from both sides. This thread has over 318 pages in less than a month so clearly there are constructive items they can pull from to improve healers in 8.0

One thing I would like the devs to do during a live letter is pretty much go over their philosophy on healer dps, the balancing of healer dps and how they expect healer gameplay to be from solo content all the way up to high end group content.

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

Gonna agree with your first question here. The strike has players from all ranges of skill and experiance. You can't dismiss someone's opinions for being at a different levels without opening yourself up to the same argument.

I think it is important to take in account how skilled and experienced a player is, but it should still be valued.

I dunno why "we don't like healer anymore, and we're gonna go play something else" is the stupidest thing ever. We felt unheard for 2 expansions and a one word change from "healer feedback" to "healer strike" rally made a world of differance!

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Yeah don't agree with him at all that it is the stupidest thing ever. especially in the way it is meant in this case. Even though I wonder if that opinion is coming less from what people are actually doing and the impression he has when he hears the word strike in general.

I feel like though calling it a strike is kind of a double edged sword. It is a word after all where pretty much everyone in the world has some emotional connection to in combined with a lot of propaganda. And media gives strikes often the most attention when it is used in a way to inconvenience others to force an outcome. On the one hand that helps with bringing awareness to it and gets people talking (because pretty much everyone will have an emotional reaction in some way when they hear healer strike). on the other hand you have to fight the impressions people have at first about it because of using that word. Not the end of the world but I think it would be good for everyone taking part in it to be aware of the negatives as well (not that I think that no one is aware of it but by how surprised some people are of the negative reactions, it makes me question if some more awareness in that regard would be good)

I think the cost benefit calculation for joining the strike will be very different for FF14 content creators as well. Like for everyone else if you don't enjoy playing healer anymore anyway with how they are right now and it is just a hobby, there is way more benefit in joining the strike compared to the cost. Joining a strike like that as a Final Fantasy content creator though on release of an expansion with your income being affected by it as well if you would join? Way different calculation

I hope that this gets some recognition the more people join in. It’s gotten out of hand. Just want original Astro back. Tired of just pressing one button.

I feel a bit bad for healers, but i really dont think theres an easy fix for their plight because to keep them busier would mean more pressure on them, and honestly its probably only the actually good ones in highend content who are really complaining.

i rarely run highend content, i live in the normal roulette list, and in there i get paired with alot of healers who are barely even decent, sure theyre geared up and look the part but they will get us all killed somehow, usually because of panic since something happened that needed true healer skill.

the devs know the metrics and i would put money on them seeing that the "average" healer is probably terrible, its why all the dps are hyper mobile now with a panic heal and the tanks can all take brutal beatings. I would love to see some random content sneak in that needs healers to be on point, just to see if they are really up to snuff.

I'm all in on this. I'm not into high-end content. I'm a healer main that loves dungeons and raids. Healing is one of the few jobs that isn't a dps-optimization engine. I enjoy playing a job where there is flexibility in how I do it. Having content that removes the healer would be enough to make me rethink my subscription. #FFXIVHealerstrike

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Originally Posted by Flay_wind

It's funny really.
"Guys, what are you rioting about? These issues has been there for several expansions now. And we all know that Warror's sustain is ridiculuous"
Like, Haps, that's exactly the point.

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Happy gotta shill for Yoshi-P so that he can get invited to the next Media Tour.

Even if his opinion are just as bad as his guide videos.

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Originally Posted by Acelyn

I feel a bit bad for healers, but i really dont think theres an easy fix for their plight because to keep them busier would mean more pressure on them, and honestly its probably only the actually good ones in highend content who are really complaining.

i rarely run highend content, i live in the normal roulette list, and in there i get paired with alot of healers who are barely even decent, sure theyre geared up and look the part but they will get us all killed somehow, usually because of panic since something happened that needed true healer skill.

the devs know the metrics and i would put money on them seeing that the "average" healer is probably terrible, its why all the dps are hyper mobile now with a panic heal and the tanks can all take brutal beatings. I would love to see some random content sneak in that needs healers to be on point, just to see if they are really up to snuff.

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not disagreeing but this definitely proves that the Hall of Novice fails and needs to be updated. They really need to add ingame tutorial that teaches the players the importance of keep GCD rolling and how to do their roles optimally.

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Originally Posted by Acelyn

I feel a bit bad for healers, but i really dont think theres an easy fix for their plight because to keep them busier would mean more pressure on them, and honestly its probably only the actually good ones in highend content who are really complaining.

i rarely run highend content, i live in the normal roulette list, and in there i get paired with alot of healers who are barely even decent, sure theyre geared up and look the part but they will get us all killed somehow, usually because of panic since something happened that needed true healer skill.

the devs know the metrics and i would put money on them seeing that the "average" healer is probably terrible, its why all the dps are hyper mobile now with a panic heal and the tanks can all take brutal beatings. I would love to see some random content sneak in that needs healers to be on point, just to see if they are really up to snuff.

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Healers should never been put in a situation where they had no pressure on them in most content to begin with.

This may result in some healing curve for some healers, but once they step up I'm sure they will find their gameplay more thrilling and rewarding.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

To be honest, we are never going to have a consensus. We have different generations of healers. Some of us come from older MMOs where 90% of our time was healing, and that's what we enjoyed. Others joined XIV in an era where healing was already about 20% of the job, and that is what they grew up with and enjoy. Many modern MMOs just abandoned the trinity and everyone is a DPS, adding to the number of people who don't see the point of more and more healing in general.

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We are not going to have a consensus, but I think they need to pick one solution and roll with it.
It could be either going the full healer route, or the green dps one. Different people would like either, but at least we will get a more interesting gameplay than what we currently have regardless of their choice.

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Originally Posted by Wyti

We are not going to have a consensus, but I think they need to pick one solution and roll with it.
It could be either going the full healer route, or the green dps one. Different people would like either, but at least we will get a more interesting gameplay than what we currently have regardless of their choice.

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Honestly I think doing this risks some healers just abandoning the movement, especially if the direction chosen favors a direction they disagree with.

I personally prefer full healer, but I'd actually be happy at 50/50 where I have to heal more than I do today, and have more interesting things to do other than press glare.

Everyone saw this coming, right? a large part of the community has been asking to make the game easier with every expansion. In every expansion, it's the same: "The game is too hard; please make it easier so we don't have to press buttons."
And for many expansions, I and others like me have been critical of that large part of the community for wanting to make the game braindead. They started by gutting healer DPS rotations but not increasing healing difficulty, leading to a boring experience in dungeons, normal raids,... Than they gave every tank so much sustain because warriors had so much, instead of gutting tank sustain like they should have done, and it still wasn't enough. Clearing dungeons without healers is nothing new; we've done it for years. I'm shocked people only now react to this because someone finally showed the public.
But make no mistake, I don't blame Square Enix for this. I blame the community that cried to make the game easier—expansion after expansion, patch after patch.
And healers aren't the only ones suffering from this. I used to love tanking. But they got rid of stance-dancing, threat is a joke, now we have that giant red marker every time a tank buster is coming, because I guess it's too hard to read the name of an ability. and learning what's a tankbuster and what's not.

So now this strike... I get it, but I don't quite agree with it. I'm sure some of the people here wanted the game to get easier at some point so you're partially to blame for this if you did. They didn't make the game easy for the sake of making it easy. They made it easy because a large part of the more casual audience asked them to make it easier. So in the end, the players, share at least as much blame as the developers.

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Originally Posted by Vhoxz

Everyone saw this coming, right? a large part of the community has been asking to make the game easier with every expansion. In every expansion, it's the same: "The game is too hard; please make it easier so we don't have to press buttons."
And for many expansions, I and others like me have been critical of that large part of the community for wanting to make the game braindead. They started by gutting healer DPS rotations but not increasing healing difficulty, leading to a boring experience in dungeons, normal raids,... Than they gave every tank so much sustain because warriors had so much, instead of gutting tank sustain like they should have done, and it still wasn't enough. Clearing dungeons without healers is nothing new; we've done it for years. I'm shocked people only now react to this because someone finally showed the public.
But make no mistake, I don't blame Square Enix for this. I blame the community that cried to make the game easier—expansion after expansion, patch after patch.
And healers aren't the only ones suffering from this. I used to love tanking. But they got rid of stance-dancing, threat is a joke, now we have that giant red marker every time a tank buster is coming, because I guess it's too hard to read the name of an ability. and learning what's a tankbuster and what's not.

So now this strike... I get it, but I don't quite agree with it. I'm sure some of the people here wanted the game to get easier at some point so you're partially to blame for this if you did. They didn't make the game easy for the sake of making it easy. They made it easy because a large part of the more casual audience asked them to make it easier. So in the end, the players, share at least as much blame as the developers.

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This is part of the problem in general, and even some people in this thread don't think the game should have any increased pressure/difficulty for healers. But we are at the point where they have none at all in most content.

Increased difficulty effects everyone, but I think mostly healers because without any difficulty there is almost nothing to heal. So I'm for raising the bar a bit, especially in DT where we have people levels 90 to 100 who should be equipped to face more challenge by then.

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Originally Posted by Kayokane

MrHappy's Monday w/ MrHappy video first two questions were healer issue/strike related, and his takes... I mean I'm not participating in the healer strike, but even I'm not THAT dismissive of the issues. Just more of the same: 'We don't have enough info' and 'Oh, it's only a few people' arguments.

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He has been very dismissive of other opinions lately. I used to watch him in the past but not anymore. Far too much "told you so" and so on.
It was the same with the blm changes were he more or less just said "deal with it" in a dismissive tone.
Not to deny his experience with the game, far more then I have but... oh well thats content creators for you.

The funny thing is. Xeno has become less toxic then in the past and is far more on the side of midcore playrs now. He at least says if he thinks stuff is stupid.

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Originally Posted by GreenLeafy

How will he get on the media tour list next time if he doesn't parrot the same vein of PR speak like YoshiP? :p

Its why the idea of only feedback making it to devs being from content creators is a slippery slope , you never know when they'll turn shill just to keep staying on that list. Its just business.

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Tbf. Zepla was also invited and she was one of the first with critique about Endwalker.
I don't think Yoshida is against critisism as long as it's in a good and honest tone.

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Originally Posted by Vhoxz

Everyone saw this coming, right? a large part of the community has been asking to make the game easier with every expansion. In every expansion, it's the same: "The game is too hard; please make it easier so we don't have to press buttons."
And for many expansions, I and others like me have been critical of that large part of the community for wanting to make the game braindead. They started by gutting healer DPS rotations but not increasing healing difficulty, leading to a boring experience in dungeons, normal raids,... Than they gave every tank so much sustain because warriors had so much, instead of gutting tank sustain like they should have done, and it still wasn't enough. Clearing dungeons without healers is nothing new; we've done it for years. I'm shocked people only now react to this because someone finally showed the public.
But make no mistake, I don't blame Square Enix for this. I blame the community that cried to make the game easier—expansion after expansion, patch after patch.
And healers aren't the only ones suffering from this. I used to love tanking. But they got rid of stance-dancing, threat is a joke, now we have that giant red marker every time a tank buster is coming, because I guess it's too hard to read the name of an ability. and learning what's a tankbuster and what's not.

So now this strike... I get it, but I don't quite agree with it. I'm sure some of the people here wanted the game to get easier at some point so you're partially to blame for this if you did. They didn't make the game easy for the sake of making it easy. They made it easy because a large part of the more casual audience asked them to make it easier. So in the end, the players, share at least as much blame as the developers.

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Several people have already started this and not one can bring a citation of it.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Several people have already started this and not one can bring a citation of it.

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I don't remember anyone asking for the game to be easier, but now that it is....we have a certain part of the player base who likes it this way. (Not me, by the way - I think all levels of gameplay should be engaging).

Do not watch MrHappy videos. He is a very lazy content creator with bad editing that results in videos that take 30 minutes to explain one boss mechanic.

He has been popularizing bad strats his whole career like stacking everyone behind the boss for Titan (Hard Mode). Instead of taking one puddle attack and surviving because of server lag, you take 7 puddle attacks and get incapacitated.

I will always remember MrHappy being very disrespectful to other players at NA Fanfest the one year I went. Reconsider the type of content creators you support.

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Originally Posted by lulunami

Do not watch MrHappy videos. He is a very lazy content creator with bad editing that results in videos that take 30 minutes to explain one boss mechanic.

He has been popularizing bad strats his whole career like stacking everyone behind the boss for Titan (Hard Mode). Instead of taking one puddle attack and surviving because of server lag, you take 7 puddle attacks and get incapacitated.

I will always remember MrHappy being very disrespectful to other players at NA Fanfest the one year I went. Reconsider the type of content creators you support.

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Maybe too much protein powder went to his head lol.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I don't think the solution would be to remove healing from Tanks and support from non-Healers, but rather just give healers more things to do. As they keep giving more oGCDs heals and they keep buffing tank self-heals and as bosses damage gets more centered around just tank busters, it effectively gives Healers more downtime to do something other than heal which isn't inherently a bad thing.
But the problem is that they also have to actually have to give Healers something to do with the downtime, the best we currently have is spamming one spell for 27 seconds.

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I agree that tank healing / sustain shouldn’t be removed and that healers be given more stuff to do, but I think it’s time for some nerfs. Even if healers are given more to do in terms of dps and support actions, which I agree with, our primary focus is to heal.

It’s easier to nerf tank sustain than to outright remove it completely as a good player can still work around the nerf.

Nerfing WAR’s Bloodwhetting by decreasing the heal potency or cooldown timer, or perhaps even both, would be a boon for healers as it allows for more interactivity with their healing abilities.

I also agree with all these criticisms of healer jobs, and am glad you specifically pointed out the scholar seraphism ability that makes scholar looks like it's wearing astrologian artifact armor. While healers have less and less use and distinguishing characteristics, it's kind of a larger problem with 14 in whole. All the jobs are homogenized. I basically have one hotbar setup for tank, healer, or dps and just slot the abilities for each into the slot... combo123, aoe, etc etc. Every job is exactly the same. No job has specific usefulness or individuality. Bringing a dragoon or black mage it doesn't matter. There's no buffing jobs, debuffing jobs, damage over time jobs... the 14 philosophy is they want any job to be able to solo all content, so you can't have tanks that do no damage but have great defense, and you can't have glass cannon black mages, or fragile healers.

I've never seen a game strike work, but I'm adding my voice of dissatisfaction.

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Originally Posted by Troilus

I also agree with all these criticisms of healer jobs, and am glad you specifically pointed out the scholar seraphism ability that makes scholar looks like it's wearing astrologian artifact armor. While healers have less and less use and distinguishing characteristics, it's kind of a larger problem with 14 in whole. All the jobs are homogenized. I basically have one hotbar setup for tank, healer, or dps and just slot the abilities for each into the slot... combo123, aoe, etc etc. Every job is exactly the same. No job has specific usefulness or individuality. Bringing a dragoon or black mage it doesn't matter. There's no buffing jobs, debuffing jobs, damage over time jobs... the 14 philosophy is they want any job to be able to solo all content, so you can't have tanks that do no damage but have great defense, and you can't have glass cannon black mages, or fragile healers.

I've never seen a game strike work, but I'm adding my voice of dissatisfaction.

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Welcome aboard!

The more this topic is being discussed here & everywhere else, the better.

As someone who mains heals, all of these things that people are wanting feels like such a double edge sword. This is my bad hot takes and im fine with them being bad hot takes.


-Healers need more dps buttons:

Personally for me i disagree, my job is a healer, not a dps. Im here to make sure i keep all my special little dps who like to greed and eat AoEs alive, not focus on a dps rotation. if i wanted a dps rotation or a complex dps output, id go play dps. not healer. in almost every game, a healers job is to heal first, dps second or not at all.


-Improve fights:

Sure, this is a good way. I some what can agree on the fights needing to improve. however, this has been an issue in every game that has the holy trinity, and group play. Thing is, healers are needed heavily at first to prog and fix mistakes. Slowly it becomes a point where they some what arnt really needed as much. People dont clip AoEs, or stand where they shouldnt making healing less needed. But this also goes back to above statement of being a double edge sword. Improve fights, then i will have to focus more on healing, which makes them more interactive/complex dps buttons obsolete and unneeded because i need to focus on keeping people alive instead of worrying about my dps rotation.


-Remove heals from dps and tanks:

This kinda ties into fight designs and again if they made fights more complex well ima need these tanks and dps to have SOME way to keep their self alive. Prime example is dungeons. Because what if i make a mistake? What if i stand some where get hit with doom or w.e the other variant is, or i just make too many mistakes because i dont know the fight and croak. They need to be punished and have to dump the fight? That dosnt seem fair to me. Do i think some of these tools need to be toned down a bit? yes. but not outright removed because then they would be getting punished for my mistakes and thats just not a good time for anyone because im going to make mistakes.




No matter what gets done, healer will always be a double edge sword.

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Originally Posted by lulunami

Do not watch MrHappy videos. He is a very lazy content creator with bad editing that results in videos that take 30 minutes to explain one boss mechanic.

He has been popularizing bad strats his whole career like stacking everyone behind the boss for Titan (Hard Mode). Instead of taking one puddle attack and surviving because of server lag, you take 7 puddle attacks and get incapacitated.

I will always remember MrHappy being very disrespectful to other players at NA Fanfest the one year I went. Reconsider the type of content creators you support.

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Honestly I only looked at this and last weeks Monday's video to see if he addressed the topic, otherwise there's plenty of other content creators who care more about their work to watch.

Speaking of which, Loki Goldnight made 3/4 more videos, reacting to Cole and Zepla's videos, where he expands on his view of the matter.

Major points: "Don't take away other people's fun toys, give me more fun toys." And "Bring back Hard Mode Dungeons/make a content difficulty between dungeons/Normal Trials (easy) and Ex Trials (Med Easy)

I played WHM for many years and really just have no interest in playing it or any healer anymore.

Which also means I'm the target audience to ask the question "What would it take for me to want to keep playing it?"

And it's difficult to say. You would almost have to completely overhaul the role and how it works. A slightly more engaging DPS rotation sure. I'd also like to see Healers take on more supportive roles with more damage boosting or movement buffs. But the other thing that would probably need to happen from a healing standpoint is a significant blurring of the lines between the regen/shield healing split.

"MORE HOMOGINIZATION? HOW DARE!" You say. To be fair I should probably let this thought cook longer but whatever lets roll with it.

Because most (not all) content needs to be clearable with nearly any configuration ANYWAY, it means that the difference between shield and regen heal has to be negligible at best in more casual content like dungeons because you only bring one or the other. This negligibility extends until you get to the peaks of hardcore content where, depending on the mechanic, you may STILL not need both kinds of healing. So there's tons of mechanics that can be completely ignored by a WHM because it's completely in the wheelhouse of a SCH to deal with it.

Lessen the specialization, give weaker regen/shield spells to all healers, let them stack, force healers to participate in both kinds of healing, introduce synergies between them Like: "Shield heal, when stacked on top of with another healer's shield gives X bonus" or even "A Regen heal when applied to someone with your own shield grants X effect" or something. Suddenly specialized healing mechanics designed for every healer and healing combination can be more involved. In the same way that Tanks are able to have shared mechanics and coordinate together because of similar toolkits, healers can have that too. Which seems better to me than "Oh here comes a big hit, better have the shield healer press their big mit button while I continue to glare. I'll throw an asylum after maybe to top them up." Y'know?

And you don't have to completely eliminate the split, but maybe make it a minor "specialization". Like, SCH can still have shield healing boosts, but it boosts shield heals for BOTH healers not just the SCH. Then tune it so both healers have to be part of the healing solution instead of just letting one be able to kitchen sink gigachad it.

In the end though, this still boils down to healing potencies being ridiculously high and incoming damage being way too low. There's just never a reason to use half your kit and when you DO have to GCD heal, it amounts to just spamming the ever living shit out of it so you're still pressing one button and theres still no nuance to it.

Healing needs to be more involved, it needs more responsibility, which makes it more stressful, which is going to make people upset. But how upset do people need to be before it doesn't matter anymore?

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Originally Posted by Menty

As someone who mains heals, all of these things that people are wanting feels like such a double edge sword. This is my bad hot takes and im fine with them being bad hot takes.


-Healers need more dps buttons:

Personally for me i disagree, my job is a healer, not a dps. Im here to make sure i keep all my special little dps who like to greed and eat AoEs alive, not focus on a dps rotation. if i wanted a dps rotation or a complex dps output, id go play dps. not healer. in almost every game, a healers job is to heal first, dps second or not at all.

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Tanks should tank. They have to many dps buttons and feel like "blue dps." Please remove their bloated damage abilities so they can focus on their main job. They should focus on mitiagting first and dps second. They realistically only need a single target and aoe weapon skill, maybe a range attack.

Simialry, DPS should be DPS. They have far to many mitigation and support abilities. They should focus on their job.

We all understand that we heal and then dps when able. It just so happens that 90% of content doesn't require any healing at all,. Another 5% is a pass fail state that disregards how much healing you can output and then there's 4% of fleeting blind prog and progression or the cursed roulette that is quite nice, and a final 1% that consistanlty shows your skills as a healer.

If they want healers to heal, make content in line with that design goal. If not, give us something to do that isn't a single button mashed for an entire encounter.

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Originally Posted by Menty

As someone who mains heals, all of these things that people are wanting feels like such a double edge sword. This is my bad hot takes and im fine with them being bad hot takes.


-Healers need more dps buttons:

Personally for me i disagree, my job is a healer, not a dps. Im here to make sure i keep all my special little dps who like to greed and eat AoEs alive, not focus on a dps rotation. if i wanted a dps rotation or a complex dps output, id go play dps. not healer. in almost every game, a healers job is to heal first, dps second or not at all.


-Improve fights:

Sure, this is a good way. I some what can agree on the fights needing to improve. however, this has been an issue in every game that has the holy trinity, and group play. Thing is, healers are needed heavily at first to prog and fix mistakes. Slowly it becomes a point where they some what arnt really needed as much. People dont clip AoEs, or stand where they shouldnt making healing less needed. But this also goes back to above statement of being a double edge sword. Improve fights, then i will have to focus more on healing, which makes them more interactive/complex dps buttons obsolete and unneeded because i need to focus on keeping people alive instead of worrying about my dps rotation.


-Remove heals from dps and tanks:

This kinda ties into fight designs and again if they made fights more complex well ima need these tanks and dps to have SOME way to keep their self alive. Prime example is dungeons. Because what if i make a mistake? What if i stand some where get hit with doom or w.e the other variant is, or i just make too many mistakes because i dont know the fight and croak. They need to be punished and have to dump the fight? That dosnt seem fair to me. Do i think some of these tools need to be toned down a bit? yes. but not outright removed because then they would be getting punished for my mistakes and thats just not a good time for anyone because im going to make mistakes.




No matter what gets done, healer will always be a double edge sword.

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Here's a wild idea. If someone makes (a big) mistake, the group wipes. Yes even in a dungeon, not every situation should be recoverable.

me when my team based game has us pass or fail as a team,

the tank should die if the healer is down and the healer should die if the tank is down. That's how a trinity works you don't just keep functioning.

If your partner refuses to partner, there's a vote kick button nestled in the party UI and you only get slapped on the wrist if you straight up just leave.

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Originally Posted by Menty

Personally for me i disagree, my job is a healer, not a dps.

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*rolls eyes into another dimension*

I dunno, it sounds like y'all just like being miserable at this point and won't be happy until everybody's as miserable as you. I don't know how "if you're not happy, stop playing" is an "L take" but if you genuinely think that, then god help you because nothing else will.

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Originally Posted by Kazmarek

I dunno, it sounds like y'all just like being miserable at this point and won't be happy until everybody's as miserable as you. I don't know how "if you're not happy, stop playing" is an "L take" but if you genuinely think that, then god help you because nothing else will.

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Sounds like you're "just to angry" to leave this thread. Thanks for the bump though! (Not that it was needed).

Still waiting on those end-game trials that scholars are soloing, by the way.

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Originally Posted by Kazmarek

I dunno, it sounds like y'all just like being miserable at this point and won't be happy until everybody's as miserable as you. I don't know how "if you're not happy, stop playing" is an "L take" but if you genuinely think that, then god help you because nothing else will.

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I know, that reading comprehension is probably not your strongest suit, but the WHOLE point of this strike is that we're encouraging all the healers who are unhappy with the current state of the healers, is to stop doing the community service and be miserable as you say and play other jobs that they enjoy instead.
Why the strike is happening is detailed in the first post, as well as the threads linked in said first post.

Hi. I'm a Japanese player.
I'm not perfect at speaking English, so I'm using a translation tool. Sorry if the sentences are incorrect.
Also, please understand that this is my personal opinion, not the consensus of Japanese healers.

First of all, when I looked at the JP forum, I was very surprised to see so many complaints about healers.
Of course, I'm not saying that there are no complaints, but the problem discussed in Japan is mainly that "the identity of the four healer jobs is lost."
I don't see many complaints about WAR and PLD having separate healing abilities and therefore losing the role of healers.
(There are sometimes complaints that spamming one attack skill is boring, but it doesn't seem to be considered such a big problem)

Hardcore players are always thinking about optimizing oGCD heals in Extreme, Savage, and Ultimate, and using the GCD gained by doing so for as many attacks as possible to ensure that they can defeat the enemy.
I also play Extreme, Savage, and Ultimate, and I generally agree with hardcore players.

Also, some players fear failure if the role of healer becomes important. This is a tendency often seen in people who play DF Roulette casually, and it is a mindset that many Japanese people have.
Such people have no qualms about spending GCD on healing, and always prioritize fully filling other players' health. They believe that by doing so, they are fulfilling their role as a healer.
Therefore, I feel that there are few Japanese players who think that "healer's job is being taken away."

However, few people deny the issue raised here. If there is content that increases the difficulty of healing and makes the healer role more rewarding, there are players who want to try it.
It has to be content that is difficult for any healer job. For example, there was a time when there was a widespread tendency not to want to use WHM in RF or PF because AST's Macro Cosmos is most effective in the third circle (Savage), but I don't think that's a good thing. I don't want to see healer jobs that can't be performed well eliminated due to the individual characteristics of the healer job.
If these problems are solved, I would like the mechanism to make the healer role more rewarding, and I feel the same way.

Sorry if it's hard to read.
Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Flay_wind

I know, that reading comprehension is probably not your strongest suit, but the WHOLE point of this strike is that we're encouraging all the healers who are unhappy with the current state of the healers, is to stop doing the community service and be miserable as you say and play other jobs that they enjoy instead.
Why the strike is happening is detailed in the first post, as well as the threads linked in said first post.

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Once again, for the umpteenth time, if you've been miserable for five years, that's not a Square problem. That's a you problem.

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Originally Posted by Willemdarke

I don't think I've posted in this thread yet, but I guess I got into the topic from another thread, so here's my take:

4. Healing aside, healers uniquely have Esuna - but it is entirely underused. If bosses applied DoTs or DMG-downs or Dooms, etcs, which no one but healers could deal with, that would resolve most all issues healers have. Example how a simple DoT could be handled in 4 different ways, one for reach healer:
-SGE would have to apply a special shield to be consumed by the DoT instead of the player's health. This would be an unique skill and DoTs could bypass any other shields.
-WHM could counter the DoT by outhealing it with a more powerful, but more mana-costly version of Regen.
-SCH would have an upgraded version of Esuna, which uniquely could dispell the DoT.
-AST, having seen the future, would have to preemptively apply a buff, which automatically consumed and removed the DoT when it is applied. This wouldn't work on a DoT already present.

There are countless ways healer gameplay could be spiced up without touching other job's toolkits.

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I've actually think bosses should pro-actively apply conditions where Esuna is needed, and it shouldn't just be a mistake button as it is now. I just didn't have room in my sig block.

There are so many times I've tried to cleanse a condition in this game where Esuna just doesn't do anything. It's odd, given that cleansing was something more important in other games.

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There are so many times I've tried to cleanse a condition in this game where Esuna just doesn't do anything. It's odd, given that cleansing was something more important in other games.

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They're marked with a white line when they can be cleansed, it's not very common at all so it's become a rather obscure mechanic

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Originally Posted by Willemdarke

if healers had to heal and weren't stuck pressing 111111, their DPS tools wouldn't be an issue.

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Culling healer anxiety is often brought up as an argument in favor of healers "accessible" design. If we agree that healers primary role is to heal, then making that baseline gameplay harder will affect new healers the most as it is the expectation of your party that you are responsible for their survival.

Making the secondary role of healers slightly more complex doesn't have to make new players less comfortable healing.

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Originally Posted by Flay_wind

I know, that reading comprehension is probably not your strongest suit, but the WHOLE point of this strike is that we're encouraging all the healers who are unhappy with the current state of the healers, is to stop doing the community service and be miserable as you say and play other jobs that they enjoy instead.
Why the strike is happening is detailed in the first post, as well as the threads linked in said first post.

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So true,

As many have stated. They trusted that the design team was making content for them, make the kits that seems bloated and underwhelming engaging.in the opinion of many people, this has not happened. We're asking the people full on copium to let go.

If you complain about something but still partake in it, your voice can be ignored. We no longer want our voices to be ignored.

Question: What do the Japanese players say about this topic?