Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

Just go here
https://e621.net/posts?tags=kkron_m+hrothgar+
This lad knows how femhroths should look

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Races are options and they're for everyone, no one is being catered.

Also, no dig. But you're playing a Viera, a human female with animal ears.

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If you’re requesting a race that’s supposed to be beast-like to be more humanised then yes, that’s catering to people. Male Hrothgar don’t have a human face option, so why should the gender counterpart?

And what does me playing Viera have to do with anything?

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Originally Posted by FawkesWyznfarr

Just go here
https://e621.net/posts?tags=kkron_m+hrothgar+
This lad knows how femhroths should look

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...You...

Ok first of all, you know damn well what it is you're linking.

Secondly, it doesn't take much to direct people to @kkron_m on twitter.

WARNING: That's a Furry-oriented NSFW imageboard. It's set to kkron's artwork, which isn't NSFW, but be careful with what you browse in there.
And then people say furries are the problematic ones...

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

...You...

Ok first of all, you know damn well what it is you're linking.

Secondly, it doesn't take much to direct people to @kkron_m on twitter.

WARNING: That's a Furry-oriented NSFW imageboard. It's set to kkron's artwork, which isn't NSFW, but be careful with what you browse in there.
And then people say furries are the problematic ones...

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ME
Yea I know. Don't worry I checked it twice. It was the easiest place to find his horthgar works. And please, e621 is the least of your worries.
I do agree I should've linked their twitter but the companies wifi has it blocked.

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Originally Posted by FawkesWyznfarr

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Yea I know. Don't worry I checked it twice. It was the easiest place to find his horthgar works. And please, e621 is the least of your worries.
I do agree I should've linked their twitter but the companies wifi has it blocked.

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Don't link it then? Just put @something something on twitter. That alone suffices. And it's not just that, you don't know who's lurking in here. Kids play this game too, and that website isn't shy about its banners and logos.

Some brains, please.

Edit: If what you want is drama, congratulations. Because this is single-handedly the most disgusting thing I've seen anyone in these forums do.

You could edit your post. But something tells me you're not going to.

If you deign to respond in any way, I will ignore you. So don't even bother.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Ehhh, debatable. Viera literally wouldn't exist if they hadn't catered to their fans. If 'catering' to certain demographics when creating playable races didn't matter, we'd all be playing Midlanders.

Playable races in games are tailored for people who like different things. Some like playing as small and cutesy characters, others like big and bulky, some like being fantasy races like orcs and elves, others just like being an average human, and some like playing something that isn't even humanoid, and therein lies the conflict if whether SE will listen to the admittedly smaller group of people that wants to play a female beastial character, or comfort to the majority that prefers sexy human-not-human aesthetics who may play them.

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That's what I said, they're options. There are no demographics in races. Well... other than degenerates.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

If you’re requesting a race that’s supposed to be beast-like to be more humanised then yes, that’s catering to people. Male Hrothgar don’t have a human face option, so why should the gender counterpart?

And what does me playing Viera have to do with anything?

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I simply want everyone to be happy once they're revealed. There are people that like characters such as Cheetara and there are people that like the Khajiit. Why should one side be ignored? Which brings me to you.

Like I said, you're playing a Viera, how would you feel if you were told to just go play Miqote? They're humans with animal ears just like Viera, yet they got added in because people wanted them, so what's the difference here?

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

I simply want everyone to be happy once they're revealed. There are people that like characters such as Cheetara and there are people that like the Khajiit. Why should one side be ignored? Which brings me to you.

Like I said, you're playing a Viera, how would you feel if you were told to just go play Miqote? They're humans with animal ears just like Viera, yet they got added in because people wanted them, so what's the difference here?

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So you want to rob a beast-like race of having more beasty face options, just because a selected few want to play another version of a Miqo’te? That’s not going to make everyone happy, you’re going to narrow down peoples options of customisations. 2 faces of feline and 2 faces of humans. Remind yourself, no other race has this ‘compromise’ that you’re suggesting. So I don’t see why it should be different for female hrothgar.

How is that a valid comparison? I’m struggling to comprehend if you’re joking or not. Miqo’te can’t be compared to Viera so I’m unsure what your argument is.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I will say there does seem to be a pretty aggressive stigma over "furry" races. I've been seeing it a lot lately when people talk about WoW for example. Like in regards to the new dragon humanoid race - which I think are pretty cool actually. What's the alternative? 20 different variations of humans? I don't really see an issue with it personally, I don't really think about, or care what "furries" do in their free time, as long as they aren't hurting anyone else.

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It's because of how furries act. Those who wear the actual fur suits are made fun of and not liked at all because of how "Cringe" they act and so forth. It stems from this.

I like my beast/furry races. I will never wear a fur suit but I do like furry artwork and such. I'm patiently waiting for female Hrothgar....unlike the entitled people screaming for their bunny boys...*cough*.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

So you want to rob a beast-like race of having more beasty face options, just because a selected few want to play another version of a Miqo’te? That’s not going to make everyone happy, you’re going to narrow down peoples options of customisations. 2 faces of feline and 2 faces of humans. Remind yourself, no other race has this ‘compromise’ that you’re suggesting. So I don’t see why it should be different for female hrothgar.

How is that a valid comparison? I’m struggling to comprehend if you’re joking or not. Miqo’te can’t be compared to Viera so I’m unsure what your argument is.

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They absolutely can, get some perspective then come back. I'm not going to talk in circles with you while you're feigning obtuseness.

PS, as someone who does play Hrothgar, I want to change my Highlander DRK into a female Hrothgar, but there's no point if they're just going to be slimmer versions of their male counterpart.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

"omg people like the furry race, they're furries, they're icky and gross and weird degenerates that make the internet a horrible place"
-- A squid-faced Highlander Hyur with nothing better to do than to bother people

Meanwhile most of my interactions with Hrothgar have been about either comparing glamours, trying to out-cute eachother, engage in Bozja lore, talk about Radovan\Runar\Bajsaljen\Magnus or make fun of how macho they look.

Are there degenerates? ...do Au Ra have horns? Yes of course there are. Just as much as there are degenerate Elezen, degenerate Roegady, degenerate Miqo'te. Degenerates exist everywhere. It's not because furries are into your race that it's suddenly gonna go downhill.

Sincerely: a furry.

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I really hate the term '' degenerate '' it gets thrown at everything particularly if it's not for the typical dudebro or doesn't adhere to super conservative values.
Particularly if it has anything to do with sexuality, it usually comes across like it's some nofap grandma redditor who sees ankles and thinks society is coming to an end because of it who are saying it most of the time.
It's like '' oh your adventure plate is a pinup pose, that's degenerate '' peoples standards for it are so insanely low when I hear that term what I think of is some really extreme and bizarre stuff.

That aside, I really doubt the devs are designing anything for furries specifically.
Furries are such an insanely niche group bellow 1% they're just extremely overrepresented and loud online, I have a pretty hard time believing the devs went '' lets make a furry race '' lol.
At least in FFXIV, in WoW I do think it might be the case because there are concept artists working there that make furry art ( the one who designed the dragon race for example ).
I actually think this might be why the dragon races appearance has been received fairly negatively, they look less like a dragon race and more like a human wearing a dragon skinsuit it's very strange.
I wouldn't say that about Hrothgar tho.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I really hate the term '' degenerate '' it gets thrown at everything particularly if it's not for the typical dudebro or doesn't adhere to super conservative values.
Particularly if it has anything to do with sexuality, it usually comes across like it's some nofap grandma redditor who sees ankles and thinks society is coming to an end because of it who are saying it most of the time.
It's like '' oh your adventure plate is a pinup pose, that's degenerate '' peoples standards for it are so insanely low when I hear that term what I think of is some really extreme and bizarre stuff.

That aside, I really doubt the devs are designing anything for furries specifically.
Furries are such an insanely niche group bellow 1% they're just extremely overrepresented and loud online, I have a pretty hard time believing the devs went '' lets make a furry race '' lol.
At least in FFXIV, in WoW I do think it might be the case because there are concept artists working there that make furry art ( the one who designed the dragon race for example ).
I actually think this might be why the dragon races appearance has been received fairly negatively, they look less like a dragon race and more like a human wearing a dragon skinsuit it's very strange.
I wouldn't say that about Hrothgar tho.

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You don't have to like a term or not for it to be thrown around at people, which it is, constantly.

And they aren't designing anything for furries, that is correct. Just as much as they're not designing anything for "the gays", a comment I heard when Male Viera was dropped. But you're missing the point of why furries were even brought up in the conversation to begin with. Many people are playing Hrothgar without belonging to the furry community, and are being called furries as a slur and are discriminated because of that. No one said the race was a furry race, in fact it's the exact opposite: Hrothgar are being cast out by the community as the furry race. Yet you'll find furries everywhere. As Hrothgar, as Miqo'te, as Roegadyn and yes, even Hyur.

Read what I said please. I said "furries are into the race", not that the race is for furries.

And I said it because people tend to shove that as a slur and make people feel bad for enjoying Hrothgar characters.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I really hate the term '' degenerate '' it gets thrown at everything particularly if it's not for the typical dudebro or doesn't adhere to super conservative values.
Particularly if it has anything to do with sexuality, it usually comes across like it's some nofap grandma redditor who sees ankles and thinks society is coming to an end because of it who are saying it most of the time.
It's like '' oh your adventure plate is a pinup pose, that's degenerate '' peoples standards for it are so insanely low when I hear that term what I think of is some really extreme and bizarre stuff.

That aside, I really doubt the devs are designing anything for furries specifically.
Furries are such an insanely niche group bellow 1% they're just extremely overrepresented and loud online, I have a pretty hard time believing the devs went '' lets make a furry race '' lol.
At least in FFXIV, in WoW I do think it might be the case because there are concept artists working there that make furry art ( the one who designed the dragon race for example ).
I actually think this might be why the dragon races appearance has been received fairly negatively, they look less like a dragon race and more like a human wearing a dragon skinsuit it's very strange.
I wouldn't say that about Hrothgar tho.

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Degenerate is just a synonym for pervert my guy. And those 14 has is spades so its pretty applicable.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

They absolutely can, get some perspective then come back. I'm not going to talk in circles with you while you're feigning obtuseness.

PS, as someone who does play Hrothgar, I want to change my Highlander DRK into a female Hrothgar, but there's no point if they're just going to be slimmer versions of their male counterpart.

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But I’m not? You’re comparing a cat race to a rabbit race. While I’m comparing a cat race to a cat race, that shouldn’t be homogenised because that’s just lazy. Female Hroths are a beast race, not a cutesy uwu kitten race, get over it.

And no, my point still stands. Viera have been fan favourites amongst the community for many, many years. They were playable in XII amongst other FF games, they’ve made numerous media appearances and are not comparable to Miqo’te (no shame to that race) so…. No, invalid comparison.

Slimmer version of the male counterpart? Thats pretty much what each races are. They’re supposed to have similar faces but different bodies, because you know.. gender differences? Look at the Lalafells, the Miqo’te, the Viera and Elezen…

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

But I’m not? You’re comparing a cat race to a rabbit race. While I’m comparing a cat race to a cat race, that shouldn’t be homogenised because that’s just lazy. Female Hroths are a beast race, not a cutesy uwu kitten race, get over it.

And no, my point still stands. Viera have been fan favourites amongst the community for many, many years. They were playable in XII amongst other FF games, they’ve made numerous media appearances and are not comparable to Miqo’te (no shame to that race) so…. No, invalid comparison.

Slimmer version of the male counterpart? Thats pretty much what each races are. They’re supposed to have similar faces but different bodies, because you know.. gender differences? Look at the Lalafells, the Miqo’te, the Viera and Elezen…

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What Sherlotta says is correct. Viera are designed one way, Hrothgar are designed in another. Female Ronso were designed with a beast race in mind in FFX, I don't know if Female Hrothgar will follow the same idea but it certainly seems that way.

I can't tell if Viera were fan-favourites though? ^^;; I've actually heard negative comments on Fran since 2007, only recently have I seen people be receptive to Viera. Ronso have received far less negativity, despite being the, you know, "furry race". Not many comments were aimed at Kimahri than there were toward Fran and her sisters. But regardless? That reception, especially after the dev team revealed concept art for viera, really did boost it to what we have now, where Yoshida and the team saw the support Vieras were having and opted to include them. The only thing I will point out is the usual "it brings along some responsibility", since Viera being asked by the fanbase means that the fans are more receptive to them than they are to Hrothgar. Though that is a generalization. You know that comment they said about Viera being compared to Miqo'te and players being told to "just play Miqo"? I've seen people express that exact sentiment. You do still have people against Viera.

I think I get the bodies thing though. They are the race with the least gender dymorphism other than Lalafell. You really can't compare the differences between Viera to the differences between Au Ra. So them being so approximated feels like the dev team didn't exactly think twice about it? They just made a lazy design? Especially given how concept art in HSW implied they'd be more muscular? But it makes sense given a mystical race as Viera are meant to be.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

But I’m not? You’re comparing a cat race to a rabbit race. While I’m comparing a cat race to a cat race, that shouldn’t be homogenised because that’s just lazy. Female Hroths are a beast race, not a cutesy uwu kitten race, get over it.

And no, my point still stands. Viera have been fan favourites amongst the community for many, many years. They were playable in XII amongst other FF games, they’ve made numerous media appearances and are not comparable to Miqo’te (no shame to that race) so…. No, invalid comparison.

Slimmer version of the male counterpart? Thats pretty much what each races are. They’re supposed to have similar faces but different bodies, because you know.. gender differences? Look at the Lalafells, the Miqo’te, the Viera and Elezen…

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You're delusional. They're both humans with animal ears. Period. Just because they were requested doesn't change that fact.

Also, do I look like I want to play a cutesy uwu kitten race? Look at my character's name, when you read Wrathorn Stormclaw do you imagine my character with pink mittens?

I want this but bigger:
https://imgur.com/JR15DZH

Considering the concept art we have of the Queen it's going to be close to that, you get over it.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

What Sherlotta says is correct. Viera are designed one way, Hrothgar are designed in another. Female Ronso were designed with a beast race in mind in FFX, I don't know if Female Hrothgar will follow the same idea but it certainly seems that way.

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Absolutely not, it wasn't a Viera to Hrothgar comparison. It was Viera to Miqote.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Degenerate is just a synonym for pervert my guy. And those 14 has is spades so its pretty applicable.

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It's not and it's not how it's used at all.
Even as far as perverts go, I think that most people have absurdly low standards for when they call people that too.

Most of the time it's really just '' I don't like ANYTHING sexual, so imma call you names to try and shame you ''.
And when it comes to '' degenerate '' that's like the least bad case it's used often times it's thrown at people who are gay.

Edit: When I think of someone who's a pervert I think of someone who's drilling holes at toilets to peep at people or to a lesser extent if we are to use FFXIV people who spam whisper someone ERP against their will while dry-humping their character.
Basically someone who breaks and doesn't respect peoples boundaries at all.
I don't think of someone who just plays a Miqo'te and stands around in Limsa in swimwear/ the 2B legs or does consensual ERP, that's just people having fun their way and not harming anyone.

I don't believe that FFXIV has actual perverts in spades at all I think most people are perfectly chill and are just having fun.
Just because that fun might have something to do with sexuality doesn't make them a pervert.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

You don't have to like a term or not for it to be thrown around at people, which it is, constantly.

And they aren't designing anything for furries, that is correct. Just as much as they're not designing anything for "the gays", a comment I heard when Male Viera was dropped. But you're missing the point of why furries were even brought up in the conversation to begin with. Many people are playing Hrothgar without belonging to the furry community, and are being called furries as a slur and are discriminated because of that. No one said the race was a furry race, in fact it's the exact opposite: Hrothgar are being cast out by the community as the furry race. Yet you'll find furries everywhere. As Hrothgar, as Miqo'te, as Roegadyn and yes, even Hyur.

Read what I said please. I said "furries are into the race", not that the race is for furries.

And I said it because people tend to shove that as a slur and make people feel bad for enjoying Hrothgar characters.

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Yes I was agreeing with you, I mainly just quoted for the '' degenerate '' part.

Eh, miqo'te are pretty similar to viera. Let's be real. Catgirls, foxgirls, and bunnygirls, what have you, are pretty much the same thing with slight differences. There were, and still are, many that want them to be the supposed shorter 'cuter' variant.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Also, do I look like I want to play a cutesy uwu kitten race? Look at my character's name, when you read Wrathorn Stormclaw do you imagine my character with pink mittens?

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...p...pretty kitty rengar...

...w-what, he still looks intimidating!!

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Considering the concept art we have of the Queen it's going to be close to that, you get over it.

Absolutely not, it wasn't a Viera to Hrothgar comparison. It was Viera to Miqote.

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Yeah, and I get that comparison, but... frankly, I think people were less focused on being rabbits than they were wanting something tall and regal looking. Otherwise Miqo'te have a couple traits to them that don't exactly convey that feeling. And yes, I am giving Viera the benefit of the doubt '-' before I'm accused of starting a race war again

As for the Hrothgar queen mural, keep in mind it's a caricature. That's not official design. All we know is that it's going to be more feline\bestial looking than a Miqo'te would be. If we were to take the mural literally, they'd be like lion women with no mane, and thus, no hair.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Yes I was agreeing with you, I mainly just quoted for the '' degenerate '' part.

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You know, reading back on it, I understand now xD but it was just so weird because it sounded like you were redefining what was said. Still, my apologies. I blame my "it's midnight and I've had a LONG day" brain

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I can't tell if Viera were fan-favourites though? ^^;; I've actually heard negative comments on Fran since 2007, only recently have I seen people be receptive to Viera.

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I’m quite surprised, I haven’t heard of anything major, only people hating on Fran’s voice actress. Other than that, I think overall Viera race have been well received by the FF community, both in and out of XIV.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

You're delusional. They're both humans with animal ears. Period. Just because they were requested doesn't change that fact.

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And many others and myself would of preferred it if Viera had retained their animalistic features like in XII, but obviously digitigrade feet and the longer arms would’ve resulted in more complications with gear. So, if SE had to further humanise the Viera to bring the iconic race into XIV, why does that give you the right to compare them to a cat race? Lmao. Don’t be silly

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Considering the concept art we have of the Queen it's going to be close to that, you get over it.

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Oh, sorry. I’ve been wrong all along… concept art won you this debate.

Because Male Viera DEFINITELY look like their HW concept art and AuRa’s fierce demon form was absolutely what we ended up getting

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

I’m quite surprised, I haven’t heard of anything major, only people hating on Fran’s voice actress. Other than that, overall I think overall Viera race have been well received by the FF community, both in and out of XIV.

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...well... It was mostly because Fran, and by association all Viera, was seen as just "there for fanservice". A lot of people who hated on FF12 would point out how much Fran was just eyecandy, and that Square's focus on making them was less to make a mystical-looking race in a fantasy setting and more to appeal to people's gaze. As well as some comments that I don't quite know if I can be more explicit, so I'll just keep it at "Hugh Hefner". Because, you know: attractive rabbit women. Given "rabbit" and "attractive women" went hand-in-hand with a certain magazine... yeah... And thus also the connotation that Viera and people who made Viera characters to roleplay with were promiscuous.

People in forums would look at Viera and that'd be the reaction they would have. Even with the in-game context of Viera and all the stunts Fran does, the community really didn't let it go.

It's still a thing, especially with older FF fans, but it DEFINITELY lightened up thanks to Viera being made playable.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

And many others and myself would of preferred it if Viera had retained their animalistic features like in XII, but obviously digitigrade feet and the longer arms would’ve resulted in more complications with gear. So, if SE had to further humanise the Viera to bring the iconic race into XIV, why does that give you the right to compare them to a cat race? Lmao. Don’t be silly

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Mithra were also animalistic.

They are effectively the same thing. It's just a comparison, and a valid one at that when we get down to it. They are both humanlike races with animalistic features, like ears. I'm not trying to put them down or anything, but it's how it is. It would be like hyur midlander compared to hyur highlander.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

...p...pretty kitty rengar...

...w-what, he still looks intimidating!!



Yeah, and I get that comparison, but... frankly, I think people were less focused on being rabbits than they were wanting something tall and regal looking. Otherwise Miqo'te have a couple traits to them that don't exactly convey that feeling. And yes, I am giving Viera the benefit of the doubt '-' before I'm accused of starting a race war again

As for the Hrothgar queen mural, keep in mind it's a caricature. That's not official design. All we know is that it's going to be more feline\bestial looking than a Miqo'te would be. If we were to take the mural literally, they'd be like lion women with no mane, and thus, no hair.



You know, reading back on it, I understand now xD but it was just so weird because it sounded like you were redefining what was said. Still, my apologies. I blame my "it's midnight and I've had a LONG day" brain

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Sure, that's why I always joke how Hrotgars are FFXIV's first new race.

No not the mural, concept art:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._do_you_think/

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

And many others and myself would of preferred it if Viera had retained their animalistic features like in XII, but obviously digitigrade feet and the longer arms would’ve resulted in more complications with gear. So, if SE had to further humanise the Viera to bring the iconic race into XIV, why does that give you the right to compare them to a cat race? Lmao. Don’t be silly



Oh, sorry. I’ve been wrong all along… concept art won you this debate.

Because Male Viera DEFINITELY look like their HW concept art and AuRa’s fierce demon form was absolutely what we ended up getting

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Still being obtuse about simple facts? And yes male Viera do mostly look like their concept art without the obvious differences. The Au'ra concept art was shown after the fact, not before IIRC.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

It's because of how furries act. Those who wear the actual fur suits are made fun of and not liked at all because of how "Cringe" they act and so forth. It stems from this.

I like my beast/furry races. I will never wear a fur suit but I do like furry artwork and such. I'm patiently waiting for female Hrothgar....unlike the entitled people screaming for their bunny boys...*cough*.

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The furries that wear fursuits are akin to Star Trek fans who actually cosplay in the uniform, a minority. I believe the number was around 10-15% of the fandom owning a fursuit.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

The furries that wear fursuits are akin to Star Trek fans who actually cosplay in the uniform, a minority. I believe the number was around 10-15% of the fandom owning a fursuit.

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Yep. And even if they do own one, they mostly just wear it like Star Trek fans who cosplay: for conventions. People talk like they know anything from the furries, but really they only know about the loud dumb groups. The cringy ones. You know, like any fandom.

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Yes, even this one.

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ESPECIALLY this one. I'm onto you, Y'shtola fanbase. You too Raha Fans.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Sure, that's why I always joke how Hrotgars are FFXIV's first new race.

No not the mural, concept art:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._do_you_think/

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Well I wouldn't go too far as to say that's a definitive version yet :T That's probably a placeholder. But if anything it is as close as we might see them in official artwork.

Sherlotta is right in that the concept art of Au Ra and Male Viera don't match at all what we currently have. But at the same time she's working with really old preliminary artwork. The devs didn't really know what to go for. With male Hrothgar they've opened a precedent for more bestial-looking races, so it's likely they have a better idea of what they want than just doodles. Meaning that the image you posted will likely have more "official" to their end design than Viera and Au Ra ever had.

No, the female au ra concept art is pretty close to what we got. People just like to focus on the more bestial variants. Typically, images are shown that crop out other variants.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

No, the female au ra concept art is pretty close to what we got. People just like to focus on the more bestial variants. Typically, images are shown that crop out other variants.

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You do know that it happens in phases, yes?
You know that it's perfectly fine and normal for them to have Au Ra concept closer to what we currently have, yeah?
In fact, you know that's more or less how they decide a design to begin with, yes? From the batch that they have made, pick one or two and go from there?

So it is 100% normal for Female Au Ra concept art to be closer to what we have. But when the topic is comparing that and the intention behind it to the artwork of the Queen on her device thing, there is a difference. That through all that artwork, cropped or not, it still took Square Enix a lot of different decisions which varied DRASTICALLY. Because they had no race that ever came close to being truly bestial.

With Hrothgar not only do we have a singular version of their race available, we even have the males acting as a precedent. A sort of starting point, a template with more or less the requirements already defined for them. Meaning that gigantic variance between the Au Ra designs won't happen with Hrothgar.

I don't see much wrong with the concept art for Bozja's queen. The face is clearly not very detailed but given that female Hrothgar are female, to start off with, one would imagine that they should have softer and more feminine features than male Hrothgar.

Given that these are player characters it would make sense to give them attractive bodies. It is possible to make a character that has a lioness-like face and a body that appeals to those of us who like having girl characters on our screen. The reality of the situation is as follows:

They will have 4 faces, one lioness, tigress, coeurl, and whatever the discount Kimahri option is supposed to be. They will have larger eyes and smoother jaws than the males.

They will have a restricted number of hairstyles and may release with missing ears because something went very wrong in the Hrothgar hair department.

If they have feminine "heroine" builds in the way of female Highlander or Viera's proportions, those who aren't furries may still gravitate towards them and those who want them to be big and bulky will probably still play them regardless.

If they have femroe proportions then it will turn off huge swathes of people, especially if combined with the limited customization options Hrothgar suffer from. I imagine some furries may be ok with this, but even then I imagine that if they want to play a *female* animal race that they would want something that looks better than femroe, who are difficult to make look good in much of the game's armor.

Male Hrothgar already has so many design mistakes that do not need to be repeated. We do not need female Hrothgar to have a hunchback, or to look as if their equipment is struggling to contain them, for lack of a better description. Such exaggerated features border on caricature and is part of what contributed to the Perfect World comparisons back when male Hrothgar were announced back in 2019.

Do you want to know how you sell a "lion man" to the FF/anime lovers crowd? All they had to do was this: give them the Highlander build, which is both masculine and easier to take seriously, have them stand upright and proud instead of hunched over, make more faces like face 1 and 2 with more expressive eyes/mouths, give eyebrows to each face, and let them choose whatever hair they want. Let's see if they learn from these mistakes, in either case they need to completely rethink how they go about Hrothgar before beginning the 3d model work on the females.

What's "wrong" with the Queen concept art is that the face is too human (very similar to the Miqo'te). Also a noticeable lack of fur. SE need to make them actually look like they're of the Hrothgar race and not the usual nonsense of "monster man, human woman with animal parts here and there" (like Au Ra, but way worse).

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What's "wrong" with the Queen concept art is that the face is too human (very similar to the Miqo'te). Also a noticeable lack of fur. SE need to make them actually look like they're of the Hrothgar race and not the usual nonsense of "monster man, human woman with animal parts here and there" (like Au Ra, but way worse).

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What? Her whole body consists of fur and she's deified, she's going to look clean and dignified. Also, there's nothing wrong with it, just because you don't like it doesn't mean there is something wrong with it.

You guys also need to understand the difference in officially released artwork and concepts they used in presentations.

I'm seeing a distinct lack of fur. I'm pretty sure someone even photoshopped a Moonkeeper Miqo'tes face onto it at some point months back.

https://i.redd.it/a8pjety93al71.jpg

Until we actually see some concept art of the female Hrothgar, this is really all we can criticise right now.

And I see a distinct lack of logical thought.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt one of the male Hrothgars concept art get scrapped and it had a note beside it from a dev saying 'looks too much like Miqo'te' ?

If so, then it's clearly something they would want to avoid for both genders.

How many of you have emergency fantasia flasks for when femhroths become real?

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How many of you have emergency fantasia flasks for when femhroths become real?

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Yeah ... no
preorders on hroth anything is currently a yikes

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I hope the female hrothy are not hunchbacks and can be made to look cute same as every other female in this game. I don't want the disaster that is male hrothgar hair to also carry over to females. I was so sad when SHB revealed it was male only so I am hyped for the female launch, prolly next expansion.

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In my knowledge, female character models are treated better than the males, the fiasco that the headgear will probably be accounted for when making them. Hunch is a no go, even in other MMOs that have hunched races, the females have a straight back (except Char, but they are made to be more animalistic than human).
If I was to bet on what we would get it would probably be the female Highlander body (lengthened a little bit) with a more Hrothgar-ish face (normal human neck and scalp with an extruded muzzle, probably a shorter muzzle than the male counterpart). What I wish for would be an Amazonian warrior body with an FFXIV iteration of a Khajiit face.

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How many of you have emergency fantasia flasks for when femhroths become real?

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I have 1 stashed away

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I keep thinking about it.....but Im just gonna wait till I finally see something.
Im both excited for my Dream Character, but Prepared to be Disappointed.
I Love the Male Hrothgar despite its limitations, I pray I can love the Females the same....many conversations have me bracing at the idea they will get lazy and make Miqote 2.0 and destroy the point of Hrothgar at its Core.

If Im surprised and I love how they look...no hesitation, Im rushing to buy that Potion

Hi,

maybe some of you wanna punsh me soon but i have some toughts, mostly even independent the race...

Hats - why have all races with ears to wear hats??? where its written that everyone have to wear a hat??

Shoes - same here with all races who have non human feets... why should they wear shoes at all? the feet is build to be used without shoes and even is better for most underground. A shoe would just limit it...
So simple do it very easy... all gear already existing have a marker which job it can be used for... Just build 3 different types of feetprotection in cloth, leather and plate, like the catrace in ArcheAgeUnchained have, that style... And whatever the real shoe (of the exisitng ones) is you get in the game, it will be shown as 1 of the 3 choices depending of your job. It works like a inbuilt projection, finished the case. And why would i do so? because the race just do it that way... and it would avoid a lot of work to create a new design for every single existing shoe... And later, in new content, they can create shoes right for the animal races that it simple fits. Because i would like more animal like legs/feets on the Vieras (watch FFXII Videos of Fran) too.


There are some good ideas about the female Hrothgar outside i would really agree too but i am afraid SE will not be consequent enough to pull it through...

SE is wondering why there are so many mods outside adressing these issues already. And i am asking then: If modders can do the job, and that in really good quality, why not SE ??
I started modding with FarmingSimulator 2007 or 2009. And it was allways the modders pushing the limits of the game while the producer GIANTS allways said: no, thats not possible... and 3 month later it was possible because a modder did so...
Feels little bit alike here with FF14 too.

And yeah, if the design of the race would be the right for my eye, i would use a Fanta again...


https://external-preview.redd.it/Gr8...=webp&7fe21504

and some of the male faces are already looking "feminin" enough to be used with some small adjustments maybe and the right options in the charrceator.

All for female Hrothgar for the ppl that want them. However part of me nags that the end result will be something that looks like Clawroline from the new Kirby game... XD