So, Mog station here we are

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Originally Posted by Selova

The dalmascan set is one of the best looking glamour sets they've added into the game....on females. It's pretty disingenuous to post the set on a male character when it's plain as day that a lot of glamours look atrocious on them, including that one. The top especially looks gorgeous and goes with a ton of great glamours. To each their own I guess.

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I mean it's the best looking glamour if you want to walk around with a scarf barely covering your chest. I really don't think it's comparable to the detail of a long gown with gold embroidery etc etc.
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...emale-AuRa.png

Looks like with one wrong movement she'll be exposed to the world but you're right, to each their own. If anything I think the rebel coat is a lot more detailed and you were right on that one as a closer comparison on quality.

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...emale-AuRa.png

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I think you need to work on your reading comprehension because I have, in fact, never said that. The players who "skipped tooltips, didn't know how to aoe, or hold hate, or heal, or dps" should be forced to suffer slow and painful low level dungeons and player feedback all the way until 70, so the change that they are bad at levels 70-80 is smaller. Bad players just exist or don't exist in your black and white thinking but I also care about the rate at which they exist, especially at higher levels.

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The point went over your head it seems.. so I'll explain it slow. Jump potions most likely have very little to no effect on bad players. Since the issues people blame the pots for existed long before they were here. matter of fact someone replied to me earlier confirming just that. I think you and other people need to stop instantly throwing shade at things you don't like acting like it causes all these problems when these problems were here long before said item. Hell are you mad at exp boosts on servers and how fast routs gives you exp? Or deep dungeons? Cause they do the same thing as jump potions do. Yet your first offense was to throw shade at the pots? That's why I replied. If you're going to throw shade at the pots, throw it at the game too since the game doesn't do anything to teach you either. You can coast by and be just as stupid as a jumper. I'm willing to bet most people who jump aren't even new players but vets who have alts.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

That's.. pretty petty.

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It is pretty petty... for a game that is already charging us money to add a new mount that they have already put into the shop twice and trying to charge another 17 € just because this time it's red coloured instead of cyan or yellow.

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Wishing that people wouldn't even have it because you don't want to even see it if it costs money?

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Yes, now that's the thing. Maybe I am old schooled or old fashioned or whatever about my video games, but I neither like to spend real money on virtual items for a game I already have bought AND paying a monthly fee for it, nor do I like to see items in a game that you can't get just by actually playing the game.

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How many times do you wish that people in real life don't have things you want because you don't want to pay the cost to have them?

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How is that even the same? Why are you mixing it up? In a video game you should be able to get the things you want by spending in-game money (or earning it otherwise) IN game. That's my point and in real life it's just the same: I don't mind if someone drives a car I can't affort irl and I don't mind if someone is riding a mount in game I can't affort because I don't have enough gil or because I'm not good enough at beating the content (yet). It's not jealousy. And, regarding the mount, it's not because I can't effort it myself either. I could, it wouldn't hurt me financially, it just doesn't feel right to me in regard to my point of view about video games. It would be different if FF14 was a F2P (=/= p2w) like Path of Exile, LoL, Fortnite etc. where they need to finance themself through cosmetics without subscriptions or selling base game and expensions. And maybe most people wouldn't even mind if it would be just one or two things a year or something like that. But we just had a new mount last month and there is still this peacock somewhere in the database ready to be release, so there is also the feeling that it's getting "too much".

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You... realize you can "work toward" something that costs money right? This is how actual jobs work.

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I do. I would say I'm working toward my own house. Or a new car. Or the next vacation trip (whenever that will be). But I would never say I work my actual job to earn the rl-money I need for an in-game item. Or are you are saying you prefere to "work toward" an item by working extra time irl in a rl-job to earn the rl-money to just buy the item instead of playing the same time in-game to get it there directly without any rl-money involved?

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

If you're going to throw shade at the pots, throw it at the game too since the game doesn't do anything to teach you either.

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I do. This thread is about the Mog Station.

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

Jump potions most likely have very little to no effect on bad players.

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It has the effect that a bad player can more easily get into level 70+ content where they don't belong. Less options to bypass learning is better than more options.

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

The point went over your head it seems.. so I'll explain it slow. Jump potions most likely have very little to no effect on bad players. Since the issues people blame the pots for existed long before they were here. matter of fact someone replied to me earlier confirming just that. I think you and other people need to stop instantly throwing shade at things you don't like acting like it causes all these problems when these problems were here long before said item. Hell are you mad at exp boosts on servers and how fast routs gives you exp? Or deep dungeons? Cause they do the same thing as jump potions do. Yet your first offense was to throw shade at the pots? That's why I replied. If you're going to throw shade at the pots, throw it at the game too since the game doesn't do anything to teach you either. You can coast by and be just as stupid as a jumper. I'm willing to bet most people who jump aren't even new players but vets who have alts.

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Agreed. There are really two types of players.

Players that will put an honest effort into learning their job and playing it competently.

And people that will be lazy about it and put in minimal effort.

The former use jump potions and take a few minutes to get a grasp of the new job on a training dummy and get their bars in order.

The latter will stay bad because leveling through the game from 1 doesn't actually require you to be good at the job you're leveling.

Honestly, I've felt mogstation has been pretty restrained generally. This easter event is the first time I've said "Well why isn't that just ingame?" with the easter mount

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

It is pretty petty... for a game that is already charging us money to add a new mount that they have already put into the game TWICE and trying to charge another 17 € just because this time it's red coloured instead of blue and yellow.



Yes, now that's the thing. Maybe I am old schooled or old fashioned or whatever about my video games, but I neither like to spend real money on virtual items for a game I already have bought AND paying a monthly fee for it, nor do I like to see items in a game that you can't get just by playing the game.



How is that even the same? Why are you mixing it up? In a video game you should be able to get the things you want by spending in-game money you earned IN game. That's my point and in real life it's just the same: I don't mind if someone drives a car I can't affort irl and I don't mind if someone is riding a mount in game I can't affort because I don't have enough gil or because I'm not good enough at beating the content (yet). It's not because I can't effort it myself. I could, it wouldn't hurt me financially, it just doesn't feel right to me in regard to my point of view about video games. It would be different if FF14 was a F2P (=/= p2w) like Path of Exile, LoL, Fortnite etc. where they need to finance themself through cosmetics, but we are talking about a p2p-game.



I do. I would say I'm working toward my own house. Or a new car. Or the next vacation trip (whenever that will be). But I would never say I work my actual job to earn the rl-money I need for an in-game item. Or are you are saying you prefere to "work toward" an item by working extra time irl in a rl-job to earn the rl-money to just buy the item instead of playing the same time in-game to get it there directly without any rl-money involved?

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So going off your post, you only got ARR right? Since buying HW, SB and SB2 would be against your wishes correct? If you bought any of those then your point about the mogstation is moot.

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

So going off your post, you only got ARR right? Since buying HW, SB and SB2 would be against your wishes correct? If you bought any of those then your point about the mogstation is moot.

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I've not been keeping up with the last several pages as this thread went weird, but, I think most people would agree that game expansions are vastly different that cash shop/microtransactions.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I do. This thread is about the Mog Station.



It has the effect that a bad player can more easily get into level 70+ content where they don't belong. Less options to bypass learning is better than more options.

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Your point is a nonissue since that's been the case since HW at least. Point being you will never stop players from being bad. Because no matter what the issue is with that player being lazy. buying the pot isn't making them lazy, they were already lazy to begin with. And if the pot wasn't there we still have literally tons of things in the game to rush them to endgame without a clue. If you want to be mad at anyone be mad at your fellow gamers who just carry people in all of the leveling dungeons. The jump potions are like the least offensive thing ever. Mostly because you have to buy them. Deep dungeon, all the exp boost and whatnot are just flat out in the game.

I'm just going to say the Tales of the Dutyfinder thread proves my point. As the issues you're pinning on jump potions were issues players had in the game since the beginning, before jump potions, exp boost, deep dungeons and whatever. Your issue with those pots isn't a mogstation issue.. it's a people issue.

Oh.... how did I miss the new carbuncle mount? Lol. And I though I was going to be able to survive this round of optional items

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

So going off your post, you only got ARR right? Since buying HW, SB and SB2 would be against your wishes correct? If you bought any of those then your point about the mogstation is moot.

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If you are comparing a single mount for 17 €, which adds nothing to the game but a skin, to an whole expansion, giving me hours and hours of new things to do (or in other terms, a small cosmetic DLC to an huge add-on) then you are missing the whole point.

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

It would be different if FF14 was a F2P (=/= p2w) like Path of Exile, LoL, Fortnite etc. where they need to finance themself through cosmetics, but we are talking about a p2p-game.

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We are talking about p2p game that is almost 7 years old and its subscription fee wasn't raised even once, while price for maitaining exsiting things and creating new onces doesn't stay the same - it only raises with time going. Not to mention that subscription money don't come back to the game in full amount, only mog station money do.

Do you realise how such things are possible? Take 50$, remember what you could buy for this amount in 2013 and compare with what you can buy for same 50$ now in 2020. If you think that prices in gamedev are mysteriously staying the same over decades - they don't. Are you ready to pay 25$ instead of 13$ or even more? I'm not, and I'll prefer having mog station with optional cosmetic items over higher fee.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

I'm just hear to read all the excuses people are going to make for having a cash shop in a buy to play mmo with a monthly sub that even requires you to buy extra storage because they refuse offer the basic functionality other games provide like shared storage between characters all while providing us with consistently less content.

And let's not forget how it is then followed by the personal offense they are taking from having actual legitimate criticism about the game and/or business practices of their favorite game/company. Instead of engaging in actual discourse about the subject.

Yep these threads are always interesting.

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

Point being you will never stop players from being bad. Because no matter what the issue is with that player being lazy.

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False. You can stop players from being bad. That healer whom I told that Regen works great against a poison debuff you can't remove in Aurum Vale, is now a better healer because they were leveling instead of buying boosts. The arcanist to whom I explained how DoT potency works is no longer only casting Ruin. They didn't do their research but they also didn't skip 70 levels worth of player tips by boosting themselves and so they got better. Where is this insane notion that no one learns anything whilst leveling coming from? Even the devs recognize that players improve when they play the class, because otherwise the jump potions would boost you straight to 80 (which, thankfully, is not the case).

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Originally Posted by Reinha

False. You can stop players from being bad. That healer whom I told that Regen works great against a poison debuff you can't remove in Aurum Vale, is now a better healer because they were leveling instead of buying boosts. The arcanist to whom I explained how DoT potency works is no longer only casting Ruin. They didn't do their research but they also didn't skip 70 levels worth of player tips by boosting themselves and so they got better. Where is this insane notion that no one learns anything whilst leveling coming from? Even the devs recognize that players improve when they play the class, because otherwise the jump potions would boost you straight to 80 (which, thankfully, is not the case).

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You're proving my point since I said it's a player issue... not a pot issue. Again.. a player issue. I know people who got pots and out DPS vets who has been playing for years. It's all a people issue.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

False. You can stop players from being bad. That healer whom I told that Regen works great against a poison debuff you can't remove in Aurum Vale, is now a better healer because they were leveling instead of buying boosts. The arcanist to whom I explained how DoT potency works is no longer only casting Ruin. They didn't do their research but they also didn't skip 70 levels worth of player tips by boosting themselves and so they got better. Where is this insane notion that no one learns anything whilst leveling coming from? Even the devs recognize that players improve when they play the class, because otherwise the jump potions would boost you straight to 80 (which, thankfully, is not the case).

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So you're making a point, that players become "better" when they get explained something by another player?
Now said healer might be spamming that regen on everything, even on pre-pull.
You can simply become "better" by reading tooltips yourself. But many people decide not to. And it doesn't matter if they did use level skip or leveled themselves.
You can't stop players from being bad if they decide that they want to play how they want.

It's disappointing, but what do people expect?

An actual small indie-dev might keep a cash shop somewhat in check in order to avoid impinging on their vision, but despite the memes, SE is in actuality a large multinational corporation. If people are prepared to pay, and they clearly are, then SE will be prepared to keep making exclusives for it.

Frankly, with the amount of people who will immediately buy whatever is released on it, we're pretty lucky it's as tame as it is. I was sure they'd have integrated it into the game by now, a dozen pop ups whenever you load in bugging you to buy crysta or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

So you're making a point, that players become "better" when they get explained something by another player?

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Are you seriously asking how teaching works?

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

You can't stop players from being bad if they decide that they want to play how they want.

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They don't all decide that they want to play how they want. Some decide to accept the help and improve. If they buy a boost, they don't get any help at low levels.

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Originally Posted by Canada_bangs

You're proving my point since I said it's a player issue... not a pot issue. Again.. a player issue.

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I explained how buying a pot would have prevented a bad player from receiving advice, how is that not a pot issue?

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Are you seriously asking how teaching works?

They don't all decide that they want to play how they want. Some decide to accept the help and improve. If they buy a boost, they don't get any help at low levels.

I explained how buying a pot would have prevented a bad player from receiving advice, how is that not a pot issue?

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Where's your proof that anyone that buys pot - is a bad player and that they make no research on how to play?
Where's your proof that you're competent enough to teach someone at all and that people that you "taught" actually became better players?

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

Where's your proof that anyone that buys pot - is a bad player and that they make no research on how to play?

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I don't particularly care to find proof for things I never said.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

Where's your proof that you're competent enough to teach someone at all and that people that you "taught" actually became better players?

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Things start going smoother when I give players some advice.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Things start going smoother when I give players some advice.

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And you're absolutely sure it's because of you and not because of any other reason.
Or you're talking about that one particular Aurum Vale run?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

What exactly is the issue here? When was the last time an extreme dropped an entire outfit? You just don't want to pay for it then?

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I don't even know where to start with that statement. You, yes, you are the problem in gaming these days. Your attitude makes gaming worse for everybody, I'm sorry to say.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I don't even know where to start with that statement. You, yes, you are the problem in gaming these days. Your attitude makes gaming worse for everybody, I'm sorry to say.

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What exactly wrong with his/her statement? Cash shop is not a part of the game you paid for. It's not even moderated by YoshiP or his team, it's completely different department.

1 Dungeon per patch.

20+ items into mog station between patches.

Smh :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ChloeWeaver

These have been ready to go in the game files for months and months

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It doesn't matter how many months in advance they had the robe in the game files. The people who made it would not at any point be involved in writing, recording or in any way producing a musical track. They do not have (or at least are not employed to apply) those skills. They'll be working on their next 3D modelling assignment.

If there was not a music file similarly prepared, that doesn't indicate priorities, it means they decided they didn't need one. Or possibly put the time into making the new field music for Gangos instead, and the Qitari tribe arrangement of the Qitana Ravel theme before that.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

F2P are often P2W which FFXIV thankfully is not. And that's what you pay your subscription for. To keep it from becoming P2W. That's honestly all I care about.

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No you dont pay for it to not become P2W, its their own financial decision if they want a thriving and alive game, or dying garbage.

Most of mmorpgs that went bankcrupt were F2P and P2W, having a game without P2W is more beneficial, look at biggest games.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

What exactly wrong with his/her statement? Cash shop is not a part of the game you paid for. It's not even moderated by YoshiP or his team, it's completely different department.

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They are refrencing the poster's acceptance of the way gaming is these days. (my assumption anyways)

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

1 Dungeon per patch.

20+ items into mog station between patches.

Smh :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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So you don't count all that gear, crater-gatherer stuff, trials, relic weapons\gear, events and many other things, right? How many items you can use for glam were already in the game?
All that matters is that you didn't get that dress with ugly wings that they added to cash shop. Also read before you pots, many people already stated that the game development team doesn't work together with cash shop team.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

They are refrencing the poster's acceptance of the way gaming is these days. (my assumption anyways)

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But how cash shop has anything to do with gaming? It's OPTIONAL too.
People just want stuff for free I guess.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

So you don't count all that gear, crater-gatherer stuff, trials, relic weapons\gear, events and many other things, right? How many items you can use for glam were already in the game?
All that matters is that you didn't get that dress with ugly wings that they added to cash shop. Also read before you pots, many people already stated that the game development team doesn't work together with cash shop team.

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I'd like to see a year without any new mogstation items. And then watch these same people come and cry about subs being raised for legacy and regular accounts alike to like $20-$30 if we're being optimistic.

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Originally Posted by Wiccan026

It was apparently a greedy practice due to the fact it was not put in the game to earn in some manner.

Even though SE has said, I think in two live letters, could be wrong on that number, that the cash shop is a different team and all he can do is suggest. Which means that the people who work on cash shop things get paid via cash shop things not by subs since there a different entity. Which folks have already stated.

In short, if the cash shop folk produce it ends up the mogstation, the FFXIV team produce it than it ends up in game.

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Of course, SE has the authority to expand the staff on FFXIV and even get the cash shop team to work on free content. It's not like SE has to have a seperate cash shop team outside of FFXIV's main team.

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Originally Posted by Sabrenn

I mean it's the best looking glamour if you want to walk around with a scarf barely covering your chest. I really don't think it's comparable to the detail of a long gown with gold embroidery etc etc.

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I don't think anyone is trying to equate the two in terms of interchangeable outfits. But in terms of desirable outfits going into the game directly vs into the cash shop, then this very popular item (regardless of your personal taste in clothing*) is a valid counterpoint to the claim that everything that people really want to wear is going into Mog Station and the things available in-game are second rate.

* I wouldn't wear it either but I used it on a male alt for a dancer costume. It looked great. And I do love seeing how people combine it with pants that have sashes that seem to blend into a longer shirt.

Also, people seem to complain bitterly any time we get long embroidered gowns in game. "Robes again!" "They're making me wear a dress!"

There's always someone unhappy whatever they do and wherever they put things.

If you want gold-embroidered robes, look at some of the Edengrace gear or earlier items. You're not locked to wearing items released this month. Find something you like.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

1 Dungeon per patch.

20+ items into mog station between patches.

Smh :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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I forgot to add that there're currently 74 dungeons in the game not counting trials, raids and alliance raids.
How many of them do you visit daily? And how many of them just stay forgotten with no use.

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Originally Posted by Sabrenn

I mean it's the best looking glamour if you want to walk around with a scarf barely covering your chest. I really don't think it's comparable to the detail of a long gown with gold embroidery etc etc.
https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...emale-AuRa.png

Looks like with one wrong movement she'll be exposed to the world but you're right, to each their own. If anything I think the rebel coat is a lot more detailed and you were right on that one as a closer comparison on quality.

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...emale-AuRa.png

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I mean I think part of this is more a matter of taste than quality. The dalmascan top has a lot of nice detailing on the belt across it and pairs well with high waisted pants and skirts, and I think well with the pants it comes with too. It also dyes very nicely imo.

Whereas the faerie dress, while nicely detailed and having a VERY neat gradient when dyed... also looks kind of dull along the largest dyed portion (the flap part over the shoulders) when dyed most of the colors I like. The shoes from it dye horribly imo as well, or at least don't look good to me in just about anything but their default color even though I love the branch pattern on them.

Also the dress just plain looks unflattering on my character. Frankly it looks way better on one of my FC mates male Miqo'te than it does on my Viera girl. I won't be buying it :P

Every mog station update the waifu warriors decide to attack again with threads like this. Meanwhile me and other male character players are sitting here like: "Just stop releasing dresses, female NPC only gear and feminine looking attires and give me something already".

Must be tough to keep up with the monthly 40 dollars female wardrobe fee. At least it's something to complain about.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

Every mog station update the waifu warriors decide to attack again with threads like this. Meanwhile me and other male character players are sitting here like: "Just stop releasing dresses, female NPC only gear and feminine looking attires and give me something already".

Must be tough to keep up with the monthly 40 dollars female wardrobe fee. At least it's something to complain about.

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*coughs in femroe*

Not all females. My signature related. I bet the gown looks like a choir robe two sizes too big in all the wrong places on us.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

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The weird thing when we think about it :
female primals are beautiful women
male primals are mostly pure monstruous beast

If they try to release non gender-locked clothes... they do some kind of priest dress. That's strange they never consider some kind of trousers. They will dress men like women rather than giving "male" clothes for both gender.

This said... watch the real wardrobe of a woman, the wardrobe of a man... well... you get the picture, don't you? XD

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

So you don't count all that gear, crater-gatherer stuff, trials, relic weapons\gear, events and many other things, right? How many items you can use for glam were already in the game?
All that matters is that you didn't get that dress with ugly wings that they added to cash shop. Also read before you pots, many people already stated that the game development team doesn't work together with cash shop team.

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I compare current expansion to the previous one, and this one is lackluster in a lot of areas but mainly on battle content for casuals.
The gear we got a lot of it is also just a recolor of the previous one.
Crafting and gathering content is boring and pointless, fishing is even more, eureka was more fun than that.
Also no hildibrand, no palace of death, and so on and so forth i could go on and on for the rest of the day, and if you really dont see the quality going down then i cant help you see it.
Also those 74 dungeons we have, most of them allows us only to play with limited skillset, for some jobs like DRK playing under lvl 80 and lower is like a slap to the face, pressing 3 buttons for 20 minutes straight, no thank you.

I've played f2p Korean mmo's before. Is there any pay 2 win items on the mog station? No. Is there Items I can buy and then sell in the marketplace? No. Can I buy Gil on the mogstation? No. So in my book no it is not becoming like a Korean mmo.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

So selling useless things to idiots is harmless, I can agree with that. That still makes me to question why there is a 20 page complaint about cosmetics and not paid retainers, which are not useless. They offer inventory space, market space and ventures which all have an impact on game play, unlike cosmetics. Why is the player base not appalled that basic game features are severely limited without paying more for it but gets mad about paid outfits (which fit the "selling useless things to idiots" description as well)?

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Funny you should ask, because I brought that up way back on page 5 but everyone conveniently failed to notice.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

The criticism is completely legitimate and a lot of people feel the same way. I know I do. Squeenix is double dipping and it's a scummy move. Even if you look past that fact, then there's the fact that they're charging exorbitent prices for these pieces on top of that. That's not even getting into the fact that they are literally selling storage sp...sorry, RENTING storage space!



Just because every company is doing it, doesn't make it right. Nor does it make it an accepted practice, because the only people who accept it are marketing suits and whales. Cash shops are anti-consumer, doubly so when you're already paying a monthly fee just to access the game.

Also, when was the last time the Mogstation had a sale on costume pieces or mounts? I haven't seen one sale on those items since I started playing.

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