All Greed on Alliance loot

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Originally Posted by silverlunarfox

That's the issue right there. I get the reasoning, but as someone with other jobs, I'd just run at the other jobs and hope rng was in my favor. now they stripped even that away, I honestly won't be running the alliance raids as much anymore and it stinks cuz i need to play catch up atm...

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Yeah thats the reasonings for a lot of us, the simple: If you want gear for job x just play that job.

And honestly if that other job does not even have high enough ilvl to go into that raid then it feels like that you dont play it that much anyway since the Ilvl itself is not that high like other contents in a patch.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Yeah thats the reasonings for a lot of us, the simple: If you want gear for job x just play that job.

And honestly if that other job does not even have high enough ilvl to go into that raid then it feels like that you dont play it that much anyway since the Ilvl itself is not that high like other contents in a patch.

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Exactly. And if I had one that low ilevel, once my other jobs I use regularly are set, I'd do greeds on it to maybe get a piece or two since it would be lowest priority. Well, we shall see how this goes and if they backtrack on it...

Can't wait for the 3 bards and two healers fighting over the same piece of loot each week for glamour.

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Originally Posted by Gugnir

Can't wait for the 3 bards and two healers fighting over the same piece of loot each week for glamour.

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Only now they can lose it to the tank who already didn't have competition for their gear but they don't need it either because they run savage. fun! c:

Ib4 24 man statics are a thing

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Originally Posted by silverlunarfox

Exactly. And if I had one that low ilevel, once my other jobs I use regularly are set, I'd do greeds on it to maybe get a piece or two since it would be lowest priority. Well, we shall see how this goes and if they backtrack on it...

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Pretty sure that once more feedback comes along they will have to backtrack. I know there are still a LOT of players who do Rabanaster, as the class they want the gear for, to up their alt classes. For me, it won't really have much affect, since I tend to upgrade my gear without the 24-man stuff for my main classes, and my alt classes I start working on after my main ones are done(even running the 24-mans just for the currency/cards/orchestration it drops).

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Originally Posted by Gugnir

Ib4 24 man statics are a thing

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You only need 8. It's not like you're fighting with 23 others when lotting on gear, as long as you have 7 others to group with you can allocate the gear as needed.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

Pretty sure that once more feedback comes along they will have to backtrack. I know there are still a LOT of players who do Rabanaster, as the class they want the gear for, to up their alt classes. For me, it won't really have much affect, since I tend to upgrade my gear without the 24-man stuff for my main classes, and my alt classes I start working on after my main ones are done(even running the 24-mans just for the currency/cards/orchestration it drops).

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Yeah normally I upgrade outside of 24 man, but usually mid expansion I get super lazy so I use the 24 man gear to catch up, which used to be bearable. I know I could stop being lazy, but theres other games to play T.T I can't help that. I don't hardcore gear typically till near the end of an expansion to be ready for the next one.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

It seems that the reason was to help people with their other jobs to get gear. So that instead of having to run it with the job that you want gear with you can now run with the job you want to and get gear for the other jobs..its just sad because that hurts tanks and healers probably the most and it does not really guarantee that much of a bigger chance for the other people since you know might roll against more people. (Especially when the weekly lockout is gone) If they at least gave us tokens at the same time this would have felt less bad..so I agree with you, I really hope that the sets dont look so good otherwise farming that for glamour would be even more a nightmare than before..

They could have easily changed this without it being negative for others by introducing tokens.

Have daily tokens for the recent raid. This way you can get a piece of gear in the raid itself with need or greed and an extra piece per week if you run it each day. This would only be there if this is the most recent raid thus keeping olders still alive for glamour runs and as soon as a new raid comes out, the tokens will go to this new raid. This way you will help those with more than one job but keep it fair for the rest too. And for all of those that come later they can loot any item anyway for glamour and stuff.

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I think Tokens would be the best solution to make people not have to run it extra times for loot, as the biggest reason most people do is that on the first 20 times through, the loot RNG decides not to drop what people want. Most people are getting their loot on the first try when it does actually drop.
With tokens, you wouldn't need to get the RNG to drop the correct slot item for the correct role, you just run the dungeon and turn in your token(s) to get your loot.

Of course they'd have to make it rewarding enough to do it more than once a week, and being able to just grind endless amounts of loot wouldn't be good, so maybe increase other rewards... Gil, Tomestones and Materias...

Probably echoing what someone already said, but I hope the gear is ugly and has crappy stats.

I was holding out hope that someone mistranslated something, but with the digest that is out the window. I see no reason to tank or heal this at any point, I don't see why one should subject themselves to the added stress of the role ((especially healer)) only to have the chance to lose the healer gear to the dps who has been dead and afk 90% of the raid. Probably just going to run this once a week for the token and never look back.

I don't see this being a long term thing. After it's implemented and feedback rings out, I reckon SE will end up reversing the decision.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I think Tokens would be the best solution to make people not have to run it extra times for loot, as the biggest reason most people do is that on the first 20 times through, the loot RNG decides not to drop what people want. Most people are getting their loot on the first try when it does actually drop.
With tokens, you wouldn't need to get the RNG to drop the correct slot item for the correct role, you just run the dungeon and turn in your token(s) to get your loot.

Of course they'd have to make it rewarding enough to do it more than once a week, and being able to just grind endless amounts of loot wouldn't be good, so maybe increase other rewards... Gil, Tomestones and Materias...

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What kind of token system though? For example, Omega's can definitly make you run extra times to get what you want. So not all systems are good for the job.

1) Would the 8-raids system fit the 24-raids? You'd still have to compete with other people, making the number of runs to do random.
2) Would the EX trials loot system (token+regular drop) fit? Also nope, because the EX trial system is not meant for a weekly lockout.
3) Would a system similar to tomestones be good enough? It wouldn't be better than "go kill 10 wolves" except the wolves are 45mn to one hour instances. It'd also drive away people who just want whatever piece of gear they can get. And finally, you'd completly lose the exastic feeling people get when getting lucky with their loot, which is something a lot of people underestimate but is actually pretty important in MMORPG which are grindy by nature.
4) Would a system awarding you with a random number of tokens be fine? (For example, getting between 1 and 3 tokens and you'd need 10 for a piece.) Still feels like a chore while also creates unfair situations where a terrible player would get more than you for no reason. Similar issues as 3). Just a bit better.

It's not easy to come up with a perfect solution. And a bad token system can be devastating.
A lot of people in this thread are saying "just make a token system!". A lot don't even give specifics, and when they do, it's usually far from flawless.

So, yeah, not as easy as it sounds.

This is right up there with the MSQ Roulette changes in terms of stupidity. There was nothing wrong with it as it was (i.e. going on the job you wanted gear on). It's not like the entry ilvl requirement on 24-mans is painfully high to begin with. This change will only serve to kill your tank/healer queues because who wants to go on a job with the highest responsibility only to get outrolled by someone (potentially) contributing far less.

I'll go once a week for a my token, as I'm sure others will, but that's it. Good luck trying to run this late in the week or close to reset.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

What kind of token system though? For example, Omega's can definitly make you run extra times to get what you want. So not all systems are good for the job.

1) Would the 8-raids system fit the 24-raids? You'd still have to compete with other people, making the number of runs to do random.
2) Would the EX trials loot system (token+regular drop) fit? Also nope, because the EX trial system is not meant for a weekly lockout.
3) Would a system similar to tomestones be good enough? It wouldn't be better than "go kill 10 wolves" except the wolves are 45mn to one hour instances. It'd also drive away people who just want whatever piece of gear they can get. And finally, you'd completly lose the exastic feeling people get when getting lucky with their loot, which is something a lot of people underestimate but is actually pretty important in MMORPG which are grindy by nature.
4) Would a system awarding you with a random number of tokens be fine? (For example, getting between 1 and 3 tokens and you'd need 10 for a piece.) Still feels like a chore while also creates unfair situations where a terrible player would get more than you for no reason. Similar issues as 3). Just a bit better.

It's not easy to come up with a perfect solution. And a bad token system can be devastating.
A lot of people in this thread are saying "just make a token system!". A lot don't even give specifics, and when they do, it's usually far from flawless.

So, yeah, not as easy as it sounds.

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You can do almost anything with tokens. You can keep the random loot with the weekly lockout and not increase how much loot you can get in a week, and still have a token system. An example is you make it so if you run the Alliance Raid three times in week and if you did not win any loot in those 3 runs, when you leave on the 3rd time, you get a token. The token can be traded in for one piece of gear that drops in that Alliance raid. The token puts you out on the weekly lockout for loot, so no getting two armor pieces in one week. You still can get lucky and get done quicker. The only difference now than before there is token to limit on how unlucky you can get.

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Originally Posted by Ariane

You can do almost anything with tokens. You can keep the random loot with the weekly lockout and not increase how much loot you can get in a week, and still have a token system. An example is you make it so if you run the Alliance Raid three times in week and if you did not win any loot in those 3 runs, when you leave on the 3rd time, you get a token. The token can be traded in for one piece of gear that drops in that Alliance raid. The token puts you out on the weekly lockout for loot, so no getting two armor pieces in one week. You still can get lucky and get done quicker. The only difference now than before there is token to limit on how unlucky you can get.

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That sounds like a good way of doing it, and 3 or so would be a reasonable limit.

So Mr. Happy brought up something on his video (about differences with JP players) and it got me thinking

The premise:
So what he stated was the JP players actually queue up on their mains to get gear for their side jobs in order to ensure the run is as smooth as possible.

And while like most people my inclination was "you should play the job you want gear for", I decided to step back and think about what their view means.

And specifically I was thinking of the worst Rabanastre run I've ever had. We wiped on the first 2 bosses probably 10+ times. I was in there so long, people I know thought I was in multiple runs.
People were playing badly and it showed. I wanted to leave, but the longer I stayed, the longer I felt like if I abandoned I wasted my time (leading to a cycle of wasting even more time until we eventually did beat it..with less than 5 mins left until timeout)

Now I don't know if the poor play was people not knowing mechs, or not knowing their jobs, or just being bad in general. But suddenly I started wondering: This run was a later run, many weeks after release and therefore a lot of people would have had already finished their mains's gear. If there were people trying to get gear for a side job they didn't know how to play efficiently yet, possibly in underwhelming gear, they'd be affecting our runs.

Had we gotten people who played well and fully geared jobs, I could have probably done 3 runs in that amount of time.

And that got me thinking further.

The proposed change, which we agree would make people have to do more runs overall, might be balanced out slightly by being able to do more runs in the same amount of time.

I'm still not sure if I feel this view would overall change my mind about this change (which I still don't like much), but putting myself into that scenario I do feel like I understand why the JP players would and I do see a small degree of merit in this change.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

... Or maybe it's just me, and I don't understand why 24-raids are so special that they must be treated as an exception.

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They'll be special, alright. Something you end up having to run 50+ times because you want the tank chest, only saw three, and they all went to DPS who died several times. At this rate, just put a token system in for 24-mans too because their new system is abysmal RNG. On the fortunate side, Eureka relaces five weeks later and renders most of the Rabastre gear obsolete.

Just to chime in with an unpopular opinion. I come from a small FC, and not everyone is caught up in SB yet. I'm the only one at the cap story, etc. So, all my clears come from Duty finder until more of my FC catches up. I don't know anyone else I like enough to really do raid content and I find more often then not, I get toxic groups in raids. So I usually stick with the Alliance raids to gear up. I'm often running things on the class I need gear on, so this change is insulting. Not everyone runs the top end raids to gear up. This change assumes everyone plays ONE way and ONE way only. I hate it. It's often hard enough to get the gear I need to drop at all.

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Originally Posted by Chibishedevil

Not everyone runs the top end raids to gear up. This change assumes everyone plays ONE way and ONE way only.

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This is exactly it.

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Originally Posted by Ariane

You can do almost anything with tokens. You can keep the random loot with the weekly lockout and not increase how much loot you can get in a week, and still have a token system. An example is you make it so if you run the Alliance Raid three times in week and if you did not win any loot in those 3 runs, when you leave on the 3rd time, you get a token. The token can be traded in for one piece of gear that drops in that Alliance raid. The token puts you out on the weekly lockout for loot, so no getting two armor pieces in one week. You still can get lucky and get done quicker. The only difference now than before there is token to limit on how unlucky you can get.

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They don't track this unfortunately. The quickest solution is a hybrid token where you simply get a unified "collection book" for all the raids. So instead of Khloe's system where it's RNG, it's fixed. So if you want a piece of gear in the book, you run those raids, and you get that piece of gear, of which you get to select which job you want it for. If you feel like running raids for two weeks straight you could fill up the book and thus have a complete gear set for one job. No more "parts" or "coins" that fill up inventory space. They could even do that for the dungeons/tomes, though I think at present the tomes system is sufficient for getting through non-raid content.

So you might have something like "Deltascape/SigmaScape/??? 8-player Raids":
"Adamantite (Accessory gear) of (job (select))" ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )
"Adamantite (Accessory gear) of (job (select))" ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )
"Adamantite (Accessory gear) of (job (select))" ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )
"Adamantite (Accessory gear) of (job (select))" ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )
"Adamantite (Body gear) of (job (select))" ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )
"Adamantite (Legs gear) of (job (select))" ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )
"Adamantite (Head gear) of (job (select))" ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )
"Adamantite (Hands gear) of (job (select))" ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )
"Adamantite (Belt gear) of (job (select))" ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )
"Adamantite (Foot gear) of (job (select))" ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )
"Adamantite (Weapon Main hand) of (job (select))" ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) (-) (-) (-)
"Adamantite (Weapon Off hand) of (job (select))" (-) (-) (-)

So the seals are automatically filled as you do the raid (including each boss), and when you get enough seals to redeem it, you can pick the job you want to redeem it for and then it resets the seals for that line. If certain raids are new, you can only redeem one gear per week.

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Originally Posted by Chibishedevil

Just to chime in with an unpopular opinion. I come from a small FC, and not everyone is caught up in SB yet. I'm the only one at the cap story, etc. So, all my clears come from Duty finder until more of my FC catches up. I don't know anyone else I like enough to really do raid content and I find more often then not, I get toxic groups in raids. So I usually stick with the Alliance raids to gear up. I'm often running things on the class I need gear on, so this change is insulting. Not everyone runs the top end raids to gear up. This change assumes everyone plays ONE way and ONE way only. I hate it. It's often hard enough to get the gear I need to drop at all.

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I'm on Primal too, and I do everything with the Duty finder.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

Had we gotten people who played well and fully geared jobs, I could have probably done 3 runs in that amount of time.

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Farming Byakko reminded me that having people play on their geared main will only help so much. Many people are legitimately awful and no armor or weapon will fix that.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

The proposed change, which we agree would make people have to do more runs overall, might be balanced out slightly by being able to do more runs in the same amount of time.

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It won't, because RNG dictates everything. If you're only after a specific piece, you could be competing against two to seven other people. This alone can force you to spend hours running Rabanastre for a single drop since not only is the piece itself not guaranteed to drop, you, potentially, have less a chance of winning it. If they want to make things fair, simply introduce a token system similar to EX Primals. You either have to run Rabanastre ten times or get lucky that week with a drop earlier.

All this promotes is NA/EU running premade groups where every picks something beforehand. Those queuing in solo may have slower queues, especially once Pagos releases and people abandon Rabanastre en masse due to its awful RNG.

I can tell you right now, if a DPS who dies to every aoe wins my healer drop. I will let them die and leave them dead the reminder of the instance.

It's crazy. Especially cos you know the last boss will drop a body piece and basically everyone will roll just so they don't have to do it again till reset...

Play the job you want to gear. Now if as some people say people will only ever take there best geared job into content then why do they bother gearing alts at all.... clearly never going to use them.....

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Originally Posted by Nestama

What was said in the Live Letter, now that it has been officially translated:

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um.. You ever watched avgn? all those ways of saying "what where they thinking?" that is my reaction to MSQ roulette changes and this.

I need to ask, why is a playerbase in top gear, savage gear or what have you get priority or "same lot even" as that person entering at i290 or whatever? like having high right but i290 left? This change is the complete reverse why the need button exists in the first place, maybe they should just delete the need button? I mean... wtf?

if it was really a huge issue why not just have it drop a token for you to trade in for whatever gear you want? Why base it on rng anyway? this is pointless.

Maybe they did this change for the app. For 5 dollars of moogle coins, auto win something you greed on. If there is 2 or more premium users, you roll against each other only. If you lose the loot, oh well you lose 5 dollars. I wonder if anyone would defend that concept if they really did it. "Oh it is not loot boxes"

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I went on the assumption you were quoting them for 'people are unsubbing for x reason' and suggested you could use the search bar to prove them wrong. Finding evidence to prove someone wrong, etc (so the suggestion still stands).

As for Greed All, as I said in another thread, I don't see the issue. I hardly ever use 24-man raid gear for anything (other than glamour), even when it comes out and thanks to Eureka, even less so than before. Only on very rare occasions in old raids do I roll Need.

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I was talking about having proof to the claim that the Japanese player base needs this because of gearing alt problems O_o Also why did that even warrant a change? You think with our needs, them winning on alt gear for weekly lock out be easy since it goes to the ground anyway O_o then if more then one person wants it they both roll greed. Basically I am confused with this change because wouldn't this make it harder to gear alt job as well with the increased competition? I see no benefit from this change.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

What kind of token system though? For example, Omega's can definitly make you run extra times to get what you want. So not all systems are good for the job.

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You get one token per cleared run. This token has then a daily limit and SE just have to pin down a number for each part of the gear set. Done

Keep it to the most recent raid thus people would still need to run older ones more times thanks to glamour.

And on top of that you keep it fair with tanks still being the only one that can need on tank gear and people can just use the job they love the most if they dont feel like going into this with the necessary other job and get their stuff with tokens. (Or a lucky greed roll if the other person does not need it)

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Originally Posted by Squintina

The premise:
So what he stated was the JP players actually queue up on their mains to get gear for their side jobs in order to ensure the run is as smooth as possible.

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And if its true and they care especially for good play shouldnt they kinda be good in every job they level? Thus the: just go into it with the job you need gear on is still fine.

For me I only see a reason to really gear up another job if I want to play that in endgame content (be it extreme, savage, or just the latest dungeons) thus I should be at least decent at this too.

I also dont believe that this would raise the skill level. Not in Japan (where they already should be playing good if they value team effort that much) and not here. I have seen people on their main job and still being really bad. So those wont change. Maybe you have a few that will now go into this on their main instead of other jobs but I am not sure if they will like the change after a time too because it hurts a lot of us. Those that need gear on their mains now have to roll greed against way more people and maybe losing out to someone that just needed it for glamour. The ones that play the harder jobs like tanks and healers might lose their roll against a DD that was death nearly the whole time. And those that gear up other jobs might not see an increase of getting gear since more people can roll on stuff and they themselves dont also have a need option for their job.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

What kind of token system though?

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Let us buy one piece of gear with the weekly coin. Those who are already equipped with 260 tome gear can upgrade it as usual and those who need the catch up gear can buy an extra piece of alliance raid gear per week.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

All this promotes is NA/EU running premade groups where every picks something beforehand.

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Hold on a sec, what if they want to promote exactly this?

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Hold on a sec, what if they want to promote exactly this?

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They have data already that shows them that NA/EU players would rather PUG, and that's pretty much the ONLY way to get casual players to play a teamwork duty, since they do not have the time to find players to fill a party if they only have an hour or so to play.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

They have data already that shows them that NA/EU players would rather PUG, and that's pretty much the ONLY way to get casual players to play a teamwork duty, since they do not have the time to find players to fill a party if they only have an hour or so to play.

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It's possible but, I'm not really dropping this possibility considering what they did with eureka

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

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It depends from player to player. When I do Rabanastre (and other raids), I already only Greed on anything I can roll on (and will likely do the same for Pharos at Ridorana... but only for Caster/Striking gear and it depends on the stats), as I either already have Savage gear, Mendacity gear and/or Anemos gear for the Job I'm gearing up (didn't take long for me to gear up my alt, which has now become my main). Assuming Eureka Pagos will continue upgrading armour, I imagine those will cap at i360... or maybe i370? That'll certainly make Ridorana gear seem irrelevant a month after release (though people will still have to run it and Rabanastre for the coins).

It's because of my assumption with Eureka Pagos that I'm just sitting in the 'don't really care' camp.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Not really. Is one of those things that make sense for Japan. They use their mains to don't drag parties so for them is a good thing because everyone is putting the same amount of effort (at least most of the time).

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That's contradictory though. Because if they always play there main and thus best geared job to not drag groups down why bother gearing an alt you will never play because your main will always be better geared and thus always the one you play..

But to be honest I thought the reason 24mans had such low difficulty settingscwas because players typically used alt jobs in them

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Originally Posted by Dzian

That's contradictory though. Because if they always play there main and thus best geared job to not drag groups down why bother gearing an alt you will never play because your main will always be better geared and thus always the one you play..

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People might play their alts when doing dailies, hunts or maps if bringing their main isn't as efficient. For those times it's nice to not have just 290 job gear. Retainers may not be the same job as your main and of course we need to gear every job in preparation for the next level cap increase as well.

WHAT I DONT GET IS if you want to gear alts you can EASILY do that with dungeon gear??? If its a job you don't regularly play you can easily farm efficient gear in the most recent dungeon and that's that. If its a alt job you are competent in and that you like to play you can easily run the 24 man with this. For me, I main healer so I if I like the new healer gear as a glamour I'll farm it first, and then my second main is SMN so I'll run as a SMN to get my caster gear, because its a alt job I play and can play efficiently. Other jobs that I don't play often but I wanna gear up I will do so with dungeon gear or cheap tome gear BECAUSE WHEN AM I EVEN GOING TO PLAY IT BESIDES AN OCCASIONAL DUNGEON RUN OR SO?????? Like what the heck, the raid gear is locked weekly this would be so dumb. Ugh, and those 24 mans can take forever to finish AND the rng is terrible. I hope they take all that into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

It depends from player to player. When I do Rabanastre (and other raids), I already only Greed on anything I can roll on (and will likely do the same for Pharos at Ridorana... but only for Caster/Striking gear and it depends on the stats), as I either already have Savage gear, Mendacity gear and/or Anemos gear for the Job I'm gearing up (didn't take long for me to gear up my alt, which has now become my main). Assuming Eureka Pagos will continue upgrading armour, I imaginethose will cap at i360... or maybe i370? That'll certainly make Ridorana gear seem irrelevant a month after release (though people will still have to run it and Rabanastre for the coins).

It's because of my assumption with Eureka Pagos that I'm just sitting in the 'don't really care' camp.

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This does not address anything I said.
1. System currently (to be outdated in 4.3) is easier to gear alt jobs then the proposed 4.3 changes. reason? Because of the weekly lock out. if a healer or w/e does not need on the item, it is free to go with 6/5/3 (or w/e people) with the proposed greed wide, winning is less likely

For outdated content, you go the job you need the glam for, to actually win something vs people botting greed for seals.

2. Proof of Japanese playerbase asking for this

How do we know the development team is making this change just because they feel it is better? There is no benefit to this change what so ever. The development team is so out of touch of the user base they might as well be on mars.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

This does not address anything I said.
1. System currently (to be outdated in 4.3) is easier to gear alt jobs then the proposed 4.3 changes. reason? Because of the weekly lock out. if a healer or w/e does not need on the item, it is free to go with 6/5/3 (or w/e people) with the proposed greed wide, winning is less likely

For outdated content, you go the job you need the glam for, to actually win something vs people botting greed for seals.

2. Proof of Japanese playerbase asking for this

How do we know the development team is making this change just because they feel it is better? There is no benefit to this change what so ever. The development team is so out of touch of the user base they might as well be on mars.

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Actually it's in the Digest.

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We’re planning to set the loot rule for all alliance raids to “Greed Only” starting in Patch 4.3. We originally intended the alliance raid rewards to be a means for players to obtain gear for their secondary jobs; however, it is difficult for players to participate on these other jobs while wearing lower item level gear. This leads to many simply having to go as their main jobs which makes them unable to hit Need on the items they really wanted, resulting in needing to run the content multiple times. To resolve this issue, we have decided to limit the loot rule to “Greed Only,” making it possible for players to join as their main jobs, while being able to obtain gear for their secondary jobs.

With that said, we will be reading over community feedback when deciding if we will continue this approach or not in the future.

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And reading that it does seem to match what I heard about JP.

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Originally Posted by Remus

Just... why? If people want to get gear on their sub jobs they should run it on that class. Why should everyone suffer because some people don't want to run it on the class they are trying to get loot for? I really don't understand the choices they make sometimes and I hope they don't implement this.

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Too many people complained about players using Need for drops to use for glamor or allied seals or retainer equipment over players that needed the gear for upgrades. I can't even bring myself to be mad anymore. Those players asked SE to fix the problem. They did in the only way they could without changing more of the game. It stinks but this is a good lesson in why its not always a good idea to ask a company to fix community created problems.

People wanted fair, they got fair now.

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Originally Posted by Aylis

Too many people complained about players using Need for drops to use for glamor or allied seals or retainer equipment over players that needed the gear for upgrades. I can't even bring myself to be mad anymore. Those players asked SE to fix the problem. They did in the only way they could without changing more of the game. It stinks but this is a good lesson in why its not always a good idea to ask a company to fix community created problems.

People wanted fair, they got fair now.

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Housing reclamation, gordias savage, MSQ dungeons forced cutscenes the list goes on but we end up forgetting our hands in it

It's clear by this thread alone that the idea of greed only is terrible. Utterly terrible. If this goes live then SE is going to be kicking themselves when Alliance Raid queues go down the tubes.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Housing reclamation, gordias savage, MSQ dungeons forced cutscenes the list goes on but we end up forgetting our hands in it

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I don't remember seeing anyone complaining about getting loot from alliance raids. But with this change in the works, we definitely will.