Judging by how you guys are discussing things 4.0 will determine if you guys will actually stay or leave FFXIV for good. So its on Yoshi Ps hands pretty much. I just don't want this game to be in that spot when the damage is already done thats when they start to care and cater to what people seem to have wanted in the first place after they loose subs.
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10-02-2016, 04:19 PMFizzleofHyperion
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10-02-2016, 04:37 PMChiramuMost people not joining 4.0 will have probably left the game already though. I think everyone in this thread is optimistic for FFXIV, but they are worried about it's future.Quote:
Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion
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10-02-2016, 05:36 PMVelhartChanges are happening in 4.0. Don't know what or for better or worse, but changes are happening. Reason you don't see any dramatic changes in 3.0 because what they implement is already far into the development cycle and changing things would set them back much further and patches would get delayed. They can make minimal changes like difficulty balancing or changing reward structure, but usually in MMO's in general you don't see dramatic changes to the game till a expansion comes in.Quote:
Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion
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10-02-2016, 05:55 PMDumbledoremd
Its pathetic op how you take evey chance you can to run yoshi down
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10-02-2016, 06:03 PMJetstream_FoxI'm not actually really optimistic about 4.0, given some trends that have been on going and Yoshi P confirming would be present in 4.0, such as tomes, savage and story difficulty raids, and other things like the lack of decent filler content opposite PotD, and the fact they haven't announced the cancelation of ps3 support and features promised but taken away and constantly pushed back. Makes me feel uneasy, like the team needs to pull back and reorganize their priorities before I say I'm optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiramu
Granted there will be things fixed as they take away older designs, even non in game based issues need to be addressed, region locked content is a big one as well as better community management is a must going forward, they really can't have another issue with UK players out right calling for the heads of the people who designed their special promotion for the White Chocobo, they also can't keep that crazy fan theory in place that claims that the JP forums are their first area of priority. -
10-02-2016, 06:20 PMRieze_Xeero
Being a legacy player, I love this game so much that I stopped playing other games and will only stop playing this until this game dies. I will support this no matter what however, I agree with you on some points. What I really don't like in its current state is the cash shop. Right now with the minions, mounts , emote and gears in Mogstation (soundtrack, dolls, figures and Artbook and stuff) I think it is becoming more and more crazy. The price is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I'm OK with buying stuff from the Mogstation but it's becoming over the top now compared to previous years.
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10-02-2016, 06:20 PMThunda_Cat_SMASHSo there's no reason to bring my monk in above the i210 entry leveI? That's good, it's always been the job I geared up least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
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10-02-2016, 07:12 PMBourne_EndeavorTomes or an equivalent therein will remain because you have to enforce some degree of limitation on players to keep them playing content. It's easy enough to say how you dislike the system but what do you purpose shall take its place? A MMO needs to keep people doing old content if it aims to bring in a consistent flux of new players. Is armour upgrade drops really a big enough difference? They likely haven't announced the PS3 cancellation going forward because they want to limit the number of potential lost players as much as possible. I guarantee they have along already made the decision. Us knowing about it now or last year isn't going to change anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox
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10-02-2016, 07:35 PMerishCheck the guys post history hes an 11 fanboi, everything in this game should just be an 11 remake because it was clearly better /sQuote:
Originally Posted by Dumbledoremd
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10-02-2016, 07:41 PMDumbledoremd
Yer ive seen other posts cant let it go 11 is over LET IT GO ITS DONE
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10-02-2016, 08:08 PMCoratanniThis very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by JunseiKei
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Originally Posted by Astral145
There will ALWAYS be a group of people who are never happy. For whatever reason. You simply cannot design something, that will please everyone. We are too different. To think otherwise, is to be extremely naive about the diversity in humanity, and in gamers. Whether it is due to culture, up-bringing, gaming experience, life experience, social tolerance, ability to learn mechanics, etc. No two people will ever agree about every single thing.
I love FFXIV. The only real thing I would want to change, is the global cooldowns. I love the music, I love the graphics, I love the story, I love the voice acting, I love the dungeons and raids, and I love the community. I have spent hundreds of dollars on glamours and have created several alts that are also level 60's and caught up with the story content. I won't be leaving anytime soon. :) -
10-02-2016, 09:31 PMAstral145
Coratanni,
FFXIV is all over the place and cant seem to find an equilibrium. Gear progression in this game is a bit ridiculous and it loses its value way to often. Don't get me wrong i like it when i see new gear but i would prefer to see it less often as we do in this game. The devs need to mix it up a bit so there is some horizontal progression. meaning we get more out of gear for longer periods of time. By the time I can get 2 or 3 classes geared for raids the next set of gear is being released. This is a shame because in a game that allows you to have it all on one character it sure is a pain to play them all in a raid setting.
The battle system in FFXIV is very dated. Its very slow and way to generic. There is no real customization for loadouts, which is a shame. This game needs multiple trees to allow multiple load outs... as it stands now everyone who is trying to maximize there job's potential really only has one way of doing it. Granted there may be 1 or 2 minor differences especially in a DD class but thats as far as it goes with customization.
Content wise FFXIV has some amazing dungeons with beautiful graphics. I wish these dungeons had multiple difficulties but that's for another conversation. It feels like the dev team is spending way to much time on things that players really could care less about... like Minion battles which was way over the top. Players requested something like a pokemon style minion fight or some kind of open world duel. Instead we got something that very few players even bother playing... I for one never made it past the tutorial before disconnecting from the game.
Diadem was another let down. Don't get me wrong the idea sounds awesome but it was poorly implemented into the game. I think i ran Diadem 5 times total and have never stepped foot into it again. It's extremely boring.... There is no real mechanics, puzzles to solve or even some kind of strategy. Its just an open world zergefest... They spent all that time and effort into something that could have easily been a pick up quest in the real open world that once you start all mobs get a HP, DEF, Dam out increase for 45 mins and its only for your group.
PoTD has a lot of potential. Even though it had poor release time it still peaked my interest. I hope they gathered a lot of info from players and are making some changes in the 3.45 update.
I can keep going with other stuff but the point is FFXIV is going into multiple directions and is spreading their teams thin... They really need to slow down and really draw out plan for the future of the game.... to me this is a theme park mmo which provides multiple types of content but half of the content is released very poorly.
I love the game and have all battle jobs at 60. However, I would really love to see the devs slow down and try to figure out what they really want out of this game. -
10-02-2016, 09:36 PMkaptainpancake69
The inability of FFXIV to keep the attention of any of my WoW friends is a huge issue. The main quest has to many brainless fetch quests, and I can't get them to see through this to get to the better parts of the game.
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10-03-2016, 01:59 AMXiao_I don't even like the Final Fantasy series in general, but I play this. So uh, I may not be him but yes, yes I would still be playing it. In fact I'd probably have picked it up earlier if it was called something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion
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10-03-2016, 02:11 AMDerio
Ffxiv is not WoW, if you want WoW then go play it. Also Potd was a success compared to Diadem
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10-03-2016, 11:59 AMElkanahPlayers are stupid. That's why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral145
1) Why did dev team decide on something so incredibly stupid and thoughtless as content that nobody does, instead of giving us DF for the crystal tower series or coil?
2) WHY DOES SQUEENIX KEEP PUTTING PARRY ON ALL THE FRICKEN TANK GEAR THAT DOES JACK FOR OUR JOBS!!!!
*throws table*
Seriously, that is a design flaw if I EVER saw one. Pisses me off to no end that parry is the worst stat tanks can have, and yet it's always on gear we DONT NEED. TAKE PARRY OUT OF THE GAME. IT'S BROKEN AND USELESS! D:< -
10-03-2016, 12:00 PMElkanahAnd yet the dungeon only need run less than 5 times to complete. After that youre done for the next patch. I've only had to run it 3 times to get all of my drops to obtain my weapon when it first came out, and I'm barely bothering to do it this time around cause I could care less for the content that comes with it. Still not engaging enough these days. There was an actual storyline in there before, and now not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derio
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10-03-2016, 06:34 PMJetstream_FoxThere is many options they can use outside of tomes, granted some of the suggestions would have tousher in entire new systems, but keeping it FF14 gear that grows with you through spirit bonding, could be a possibility, as could adding a system like Destiny where you fuse gear together. Tomes have constantly come under scrunity more impart to the very limited amount you can obtain and how quickly they become obsolete with each patch, and given the current state of the recent patch, max ilv gear isn't even needed to do anything in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
And yes, dropping ps3 support earlier would have allowed this game to be tuned much better, low end pc users wouldn't be hurt by this as much either, unless that machine is weaker compared to the ps3 which I would find hard to believe, given 400-600 dollar machines could run this game easily. This game doesn't need a 4.0 processor with a topline graphics card, I almost feel bad running this with my GTX 1080 because it's not even being utilized fully.
It's debatable that most of the of planned systems that had to scrap or pushed back were due to the ps3 or due to development team size. But these are things they should have decided early on before the release of 3.0, going into your second expansion with a possibility of needing an entire class overhaul, the implementation of new systems both gameplay and nongameplay, are things they should have been doing already.
Don't get me wrong, they've done good in some regards, but the future isn't something I'm going to say I'm hoping for when the present is in disarray. -
10-03-2016, 08:15 PMAronysThat just means you have good RNG. Nothing else. I barely got any items in the new dungeons, and I'm running them daily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkanah
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10-05-2016, 03:29 AMAstral145I know the feeling I am on my 4th full run (floor 1 -50) in PoTD and still have not received the newest hair style via the new appraiser system. Don't get me wrong I actually like the appraiser system its like putting your hand in the pot and you never know what you are going to pull out. But to add a certain glamour items such as hair is a bit harsh. I was really looking forward to that hair because there really isn't any nice long hair in the game for my character which of course is my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aronys
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10-09-2016, 11:28 PMElkanahWhen I say I obtained my drops, i meant for the armor/weapon 30+ stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral145
As opposed to the actual items themselves, I have yet to see it during runs. I got so bored I started lvling another class in potd to farm for items and gear I dont need, but wanted something else to do while waiting for weekly tuesday lol.
Otherwise Ive been farming gil in there for whatever drops. Ill usually do a couple runs to grab a couple levels and then take the items to the npc to look at. If it's gil worthy ill sell it. If its a stupid item ill toss it or npc it right there. Just depends.
The hairstyle is still 5mil+ on our server i think, last time i saw it. But it was flexing between 10mil and 5mil lol -
10-10-2016, 01:02 AMmadolynpretty much exactly how it is for me. Played since 1.0 beta before yoshi took over and really getting tired of the direction everything is going. As other people have stated, the content is either faceroll easy or not worth even trying unless you have a static cause a lot of people get salty too fast. Instagib mechanics do not make stuff difficult either, it just makes stuff really annoying to learn a dance and then execute perfectly. Vertical progression is getting tiresome for a game that boasts doing everything on one character. Gear comes in and goes out extremely fast. I think 3.0 was a good opportunity to make 24 man raids gear stepping stones to savage raids instead of having them always as catch up content but oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion
There flat out needs to be some kind of horizontal progression implemented. Gear sets with additional effects would be nice. Jobs need to have more customization. Everything is very bare bones as in "here are your stats. get this gear. do this rotation. get this ilvl. now do it again next patch." There are no choices to be made to create more diversity. No talents, no additional effects, nothing. It's just become very bland.
Combat feels super slow anymore after playing other games for a while. Dungeons offer nothing unique and are essentially all the same with different wallpaper. The drops are worthless. In fact, the same patch formula of "new tomes to grind, two "new" dungeons to do every day for several months, bash your head against the wall raid, gated content, rinse/repeat in a few months" is getting really tired. Practically everything is some kind of unfun grind.
Of course this is all my opinion and I guess after all this time, the honeymoon finally wore off but I am worried about the game's longevity. I currently find it a real chore to log in and kind feel like I'm trying to convince myself that I enjoy the game these days. -
10-10-2016, 01:41 AMSandparkSure if you only play one job. This game is different from most alt based games in that regard. I have my issues with ilvl and lack of open world stuff. Deep Dungeon is going to expand like other stuff. I am hoping solo,duo,trio remains possible. We have enough instanced stuff for full party to alliances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkanah
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10-10-2016, 02:46 AMValkyrie_LennethIts less than 700k now on Balmung lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkanah
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10-10-2016, 03:53 AMkambiiing
Considering how often the game got patched. Turning his back is too edgy of a word in my opinion. Take it from a guy used to play a south east asian server mmo, i am here bec those bolocks didn't patch it for 2 whole years. While the JP couterpart almost at 4th expansion, SEA isnt even at end of 2nd expansion. Forgive my ramblings. Its 2am. But believe me, the pasture is quite green here.
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10-11-2016, 12:04 AMMithrahnAre you talking about PSO2?Quote:
Originally Posted by kambiiing
Cause the Japanese Servers has actually already been in Episode 4 for at least a few months, definitely not "almost at 4th expansion" but "already at 4th expansion". The SEA version.. yeah still Episode 2 and last patch was January of 2015.
If you were talking about some other game, my apologies. -
10-11-2016, 12:09 AMToasterMan
As much as horizontal progression would be cool, I don't think SE can handle it. They have proven many times that they are incompetent with base job balance. How do you think they'll be able to balance a bunch of gear and sets together for the jobs they can't even balance properly?
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10-12-2016, 06:32 PMFizzleofHyperion
Toasterman: Certain things can be introduced intot his game that dont always have to be part of this vertical garbage we are receiving. Someone mentioned that SE seems lazy and are going with it the whole if it aint broke don't fix it mentality. The problem is something is broke or else we wouldnt be here discussing the situation. I really hope that change happens way before the damage is actually done. Horizontal progression doesnt even have to be in ilvl based gears. It can be in certain dungeons that regardless of your ilvl you will always sync down to an according ilvl thats meant for these specific x amount of dungeons. They can be its own storyline or even dungeons that give glamour pieces that no one else can acheive if they themselves put the same time effort and learning into things like everyone else.
By this i don't mean the traditional handouts people are expecting either but in order to have these nice things you have to work for them.
The relic chapter could have been one of them btw if Yoshi P didnt decide to pamper some so called casual because they feel they are entitled to everything just because they pay for subscription.
The damage here is slightly done but can be repaired it is not too late for that.
Third relic chapter can be that you must have acheived both a zeta and an anima to continue no exceptions no handouts no nothing do it like everyone else.
Want something the same ilvl? Then use whatever current tomes allow or have someone craft something.
Not everything must be given out to you just because you are subscribing.
The current unbalanced state of the game is shredding the community apart. Our biggest problem is the current generation of so called mmorpg players that seem to just be lazy.
Another problem is sadly the whole WoW generation that also is destroying our wonderful community.
People from WoW who started there as teenagers who now are in their early/late twenties that joined FFXIV because they are so tired of WoW but are playing FFXIV because it reminds them so much of WoW <-- Thoese players.
They are slightly part of the problem because they don't know anything else outside of WoW and assume thats how ALL MMORPGs are.
I've seen discussions on different forums, facebook,reddit etc the younger generations arguement is always "thats how all mmorpgs are" we all know that is not true.
Why present something that people are already accustomed too?
The socalled newer generation could have used some horizontal progression in their lives imo.
I'm not sure if this discussion will lead anywhere honestly. Yoshi P has turned back on his community that backed him up the most and from day one imo. Remember thoese slogans from a while back to always have fun and the fans come first?
Fans did not come first business did :)
The fun is now a chore, a repetative chore that gets useless really fast.
4.0 will determin alot if this game will continue with a bright future or be like any mmorpg out there. -
10-12-2016, 07:25 PMMaleficentI think we can all agree (hopefully) that what's considered fun is probably not the same for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion
FFXIV is my 10th MMO including non-graphical MMOs. I think it's the best suited for my stage in life now.
On the 'handouts', please understand for some of us who work and get taken away from the game for long periods, the catch up mechanics help us bridge the time we missed so we stay relevant. We're still behind but it doesn't require the 3 months per stage. Tis a rare MMO that allows us to participate. It's not us being 'lazy'. No more than one should label those that strongly desire hardcore gameplay 'elitist'. Different strokes for different folks. If the game implements the old high barriers to participate, I'd probably would have to move on. Same as if there is no challenging gameplay for more robust players, they'll move on.
On the 'WoW generation' being the 'problem', it's all down to individual perspective on what is 'good' and what is a 'problem'.
I do (masochistically) fondly recall the 'hardcore' days when death penalties involved losing exp to the point you could delevel, gear breaking means it's gone forever, dying meant your corpse lies where you died - happy trails finding help to get it back naked.But the fact of the matter is I can't afford to play that kind of game today 20 years down. I wouldn't call anyone who (still) wanted more hardcore gameplay a 'problem' despite that it differs from what I'd want. I'd just say that game wasn't for me and find something else.
SE has the stats. If the sustainability of the game relies on a shift back to a model where I can't support, I'd be disappointed and sadly have to move on. But I *still* would not label those with the demands of the majority a 'problem'.
I think there are great ideas and feedback from the community as a whole. And feedback is always welcome; though not always the manner in which it is given.
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10-12-2016, 07:32 PMNeophyte
Any MMORPG or FF14 won't die nowadays, just because someone playing 40h+ feels like he doesn't get enough reward or appreciation for dedicating so much time to this game.
Those "problem people" carry that game. You might not come first, but they do.
The only one who is stucked in an 15 year old thinking is you, if you think that "rare" or "extraordinary" rewards would be good to justify extreme, never-be-nerfed grinds only catering to 40-50h/week playing people or people who sub since 2014.
FF14 is already special in a way, that you can easily catch up, if you took a break and that about every 3-6 months.
No other game does that right now (WoW it's more like 2 years), so why do you want to take their most remarkable trade mark feature in comparision with other MMORPGs away?
Good luck with that. That's plain stupid. Don't you see the consequences and impossibilites?Quote:
Third relic chapter can be that you must have acheived both a zeta and an anima to continue no exceptions no handouts no nothing do it like everyone else.
Want something the same ilvl? Then use whatever current tomes allow or have someone craft something.
Not everything must be given out to you just because you are subscribing.
While back in 2.x it was easy to get a light farm party for garuda and use the light tracking sites to identify the best content for light, nowadays you might be the only one at this stage right now. 30 kills Garuda within an hour? Possible back then, impossible nowadays (without unsynch), just because you never get 8 players who want to kill her 30 times in a row.
Congratulations, you made it impossible for new people to achieve an 2 year old relic even in double the time people needed back then.
Same for dungeon drops, who would help anyone grinding for those drops? It was easy to find grind/farm parties for dungeons back in 2.x, but now? Good luck.
No nerfs means also "no drops or light while unsynch".
Also farming for atmas is cerainly great fun, if you're the only one doing fates outside of N.Thanalan. Well, hard luck!
Expert roulette doesn't give poetics anymore and you have to even farm harder to get all those poetics for those mists, books, etc.? Hard luck, again.
Tricky with that materia stage, since materia is much cheaper now. Must make you very salty.. maybe double the needed materia ammount to please your entitled mind? Don't want to make it to easy for new people, do we?
Nevertheless... your "third relic stage" would be d.o.a... maybe you have 1000 people in 1 year who got it. Congratulations, you doubtless safed the game from certain death. -
10-12-2016, 08:03 PMReynhartWhat does it even mean ? "Relevant" compared to what ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maleficent
This game has automatic level sync in instances, so you can always play with a friend higher than you, cross-server Duty Finder and Trial Roulette to always find someone who does the duty you want...your progression can never be blocked. Why do you want to "catch-up" when all it does is making you burn the content faster than ancient players did ?
As for the optionnal content, like Coil, Crystal Tower or EX Primals, if you don't do them when they're new, you're basically screwed as long that they're not in any repeatable quests or Roulettes.
Ifrit normal mode, unsynced, 17sec solo kill at level 60. Having a Zeta nowadays is extremely fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neophyte
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10-12-2016, 08:30 PMNeophyteltrQuote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
He said, "Third relic chapter can be that you must have acheived both a zeta and an anima to continue no exceptions no handouts no nothing do it like everyone else."Quote:
No nerfs means also "no drops or light while unsynch".
No Exceptions, no Handouts, no Nothing, do it like everyone else = No unsynched light farming or dungeons drops.
To make it more clear: He wants a new Player in 4.0 to play at least 500-2000h for the 2.x relic and another 500-2000h for the 3.x relic just to be able to attempt the 4.x relic stage.
Because such things will safe the game. Lel. -
10-12-2016, 08:33 PMMaleficentThat's a fair question! I think relevance is trying not to be a burden or being unable to participate when your gear is outdated or below required ilevel. For the relic for example, if I had to have taken a hiatus due to work, I'd at least be able to catch up to participate in the current stage when it's out instead of always being x days behind. I've been lucky to have been able to always do the relic when it was new but I'd have hesitated to embark on it otherwise. It was like attunement in WoW. I missed the rounds due to work (for about 5 weeks), and found I had to go through all the hoops to even catch up. FFXIV is much more accessible. Same with gearing alts. I just barely gear my main within the patch season with my play time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reynhart
On the point, "burn the content faster than ancient players did", I don't see a problem for others to come up to speed with my relic faster than when I did and I've always managed to do it fresh. They doing it faster doesn't invalidate what I did nor I don't see why it should bother me. In fact, it'd be more fun if more folks are able to catch up and do the current relic stuff. I'm not bothered by those who just do it during catch up and stop there waiting for the next. It certainly doesn't take anything away from me.
On coil and old content, I think the 'fluff' as some people call it, allows it old content to still be run so it's not so bad. At least on my server. I apologise I might not fully experience what is the case on other servers and can only speak for my own experience. -
10-12-2016, 08:50 PMReynhartI don't really understand it that way. Nerfing something is different from it being naturally easier as time goes by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neophyte
For example, in Coil T1, Caduceus hit really hard when you were a fresh ilvl70. But if you go there with ilvl 130, suddenly, you can brush off most of his attacks, even if the attack on itself has not been nerfed. A Duty should always give lights even when unsynced since maps always give light.
There's no reason to nerf the Relic weapons, because the whole concept for it is to take time. When the relic is not relevant anymore, those who still want it will take the time to do it. Those who don't will have other weapons to equip.
The only nerf which I find justifiable is reducing the RNG aspect of some parts.
If you started the game at HW and joined a Legacy FC, do you feel like a burden by not being level 50 right from the start ? Do you feel like a burden by having to do (and hopefully enjoy) the story content before entering Ishgard ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maleficent
Like I said earlier, non-RNG relic steps are easier to be done as time passes, so it's not really an issue, especially since the relic is mostly a solo achievement and you have plenty of weapons to use for group content while you still do your weapon at your own pace.
I didn't say that to point new players having less work to do than ancient ones, but new players not being able to enjoy the content. Having an official "catch-up cycle" is like saying "You're late, now move your ass !".Quote:
Originally Posted by Maleficent
It's like all those people asking you to skip cutscenes in story dungeons. As long as you can progress by small increments (Which is a good thing for casuals players, i.e. players who can't play several hours a day, and no bad players), it's not really that important to be "behind" hardcore players.
In fact, I feel hardcore players would be more welcoming to casuals if the catching-up cycle didn't give them the feeling of their dedication being denied.
That's what Relics are for, and why I think it's a clever idea to reuse old content for them. It's also why Wondrous Tails is a nice addition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maleficent
Doing the same content in a different mindset is sometimes enough to make it feel fresh-er. -
10-12-2016, 10:58 PMVelhartThe system is not broken. Does it need improvements? Yes. Is the core foundation of the game broken? No. Horizontal is not a solution, you are just switching a system that has pro's and con's for a system that has pro's and con's. Difference is, the con's of horizontal are more severe on a player than vertical's is due to hardships of catching up if you are a newer player.Quote:
Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion
You are really letting your ass speak in your behalf. Yoshi-P turning back on fans? How? he promised to completely recreate the game from the ground up, give you a free copy of the game along with Legacy status which gave you some perks even in the story line, a permanent discount on your subscription. He delivered on his promise to the fans in bringing a successful game. Please show me where he promised to keep everything in 1.0 and just convert it to a new engine. Please show me where he said, "We owe something to our FFXI players who have been with us forever ago now."
They did say this would be a new game and delivered on that. You make a bunch of baseless assumptions just for the sake of making arguments. The team owes you absolutely nothing as a FFXI player, and they have already given you a lot for being a legacy player in 1.0. Their decision to make the game more streamlined brought more people in and it still retains itself as the 2nd highest (and successful) sub based MMO out there. You can't make an assumption the community is in shreds because you and your friends may not be having fun. There are still plenty of people on a day doing content at their own pace.
Did you also take time to think of why WoW's system was brought to this game? Because it is a successful formula that does a good job in concept itself of balancing casual, midcore, and hardcore play. Which is what you should do to have a game that appeals to a mass audience and not a small niche group of players. FFXIV may have a harder time balancing this concept out, but it is in no means broken at all. The casual market needs to be catered to. I would argue that casual content needs a slight bit more challenge, but they are the ones keeping things afloat.
tl;dr - Stop making baseless assumptions about the state of the game based on your own personal feelings towards it. SE owes nothing to you as a FFXI player and has already given you plenty of perks from being a 1.0 player. -
10-12-2016, 11:36 PMFizzleofHyperion
Velhart: When you have finished brownnosing Yoshi P assuming SE and Yoshi - P will come to you with a medal then you might understand :)
Do you honestly think I'm alone feeling like this? People agree with me many of them beeing the hardcore fans. Just because you don't seem to agree with me stop acting like you think everything is perfect and not broken. You ALWAYS do this if you don't want to contribute to the topic then try to not post for the sake of it. People agree we feel its broken as much as you feel we shouldn't say its broken seriously who are you to tell us what is broken and isnt? I can shove the same arguement back at you.
You either don't understand the value and respect of the amount of people who kept this game alive with double subs or you are just beeing naive and is just gonna play the tough luck go play something else. What part of this game would not even exist without thoese subscribers from 1.0 who where told to have double subs don't you understand?
I'm done wasting energy on you again as usual.
To Malificent: There are so many players on Ragnarok where my main is aswell as on Hyperion where my irl friend plays that have daily jobs and families but still find time to grind in FFXIV. I don't think that is a valid arguement if you want to have something as your hobby honestly.
Neophyte: Do it like everyone else means you gotta acheive it the same way. You can still do it unsynced but you shouldnt get a huge nerf. Example is doing it the same with the tomes needed to buy things etc. Stop intentionally nitpicking I will gladly explain into details if you intentionally want to find a flaw with everything as if we are in a trial.
If you want the new relic with 4.0 you need to have one zeta and one anima complete if not then go back and grind. I think its pretty possible to go back and grind as ilvl 300? If you still find a reason to complain about something like that you are just lazy. the conditions should be the same the actually ilvl doesnt really matter. If you need 5 ather oils for 1800 tomes each that should never change meaning get 1800 tomes and get the relic the same way like everyone else. Why should you get a handout? Why do you think you are someone that should get stuff for half the time invested and effort as others because you pay for a sub? Because something is outdated?
Now this is an example for 1 thing. You are behaving like a whole community will die and quit the game because they don't want to invest time for a relic? Now you are just exagerating. That would not kill the game its the opposite it will make certain things in the game feel rewarding and value and what can distant you from someone else for putting more time in than someone else.
Why should someone who loves this game so much that he plays it more than someone else get the short end of the stick? Whats next you want someone that works 8h per day have the same paycheck as someone that works 10-14 per day? -
10-12-2016, 11:49 PMReynhartThe problem is that neither Velhart nor you can claim to be part of the main opinion about the game. So your topic started bad, whatever legit concern you voiced. Especially since the Legacy population is clearly a minority by numbers alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion
And, as I stated several page before, legacy player already have their rewards.
I am concerned by the game's future as you are, but our opinion has no more weight than any other on this thread. -
10-12-2016, 11:55 PMFizzleofHyperion
Reynhart: I'm not. I'm speaking for the people I am intouch with from reddit facebook FFXIV groups and other sources who feel that they have just given up on sharing their opinions because its not going to happen. This topic is not for the people who think everything is so perfect with this game thats why I don't understand why people like Velhart are even here trying to justify things.
I don't have solutions I'm not a game developer and neither is Velhart. There is a reason for voicing an opinion here. There is a chunk of the community that feel let down. The legacy population that is now a minority used be a majority never forget that. That is why the situation is like it is. They got overshadowed by the community, me and others are refering to in this thread on top of that FFXIV exist on the behalf of the 1.0 subscriptions and the FFXI subscribers who followed Yoshi P's plea from almost 4 years ago wich we wont have evidence for anymore becaues the 1.0 forums are removed.
About rewards for so called legacy players doesnt do alot because it has nothing to do with the actual gameplay just some useless items that have been pretty much handed out to other players in different forms example the gobbue mount without the carpet LOL.
We can go on about that later on.
The way the game is going now it will just kill itself you know this I know this aswell Reynhart maybe not for Velhart cause its flawless but for the rest of us we see the problems. -
10-13-2016, 12:04 AMMusashidoncan i have your time machine? i would like to see what ff16 is going to be like and find out the next winning lotto numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion
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10-13-2016, 12:32 AMValkyrie_LennethQuote:
Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion
1.0 forums are archived http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...English-Forums
And you don't speak on behalf of all 1.0 or legacy players. I for one, am happy with the game post 2.0
And you claim to have been as player during 1.0, but if you were active, you would use that forum account with its 1.x join date vs one from 2015. You sure do like hiding behind that alt account for some reason.