Dragoon pet

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

According to the people against the idea..it wouldn't be cool at all and they'd say something like:

"Or just add the ability to mount wyvern enemies."

I mean, the Dragoons of FFXI storywise rode their own wyverns and even Aruehat makes mention of Dragoons being able to tame her kind (Wyrms), but people are against the idea because it would "gimp" the job, yet if you seen how powerful critical hits can be with materia thrown into the mix..they don't need a wyvern for the job to get 'gimped'.

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I only have peoples post here to go on about it being bad for the class, i personally love Pet Classes.
But again I don't think its right to copy the idea from 1 specific FF just cos its the other MMO FF.

The Pet wouldn't fit with the lore of the game, (and again yes it can be re writen, but why not just forget the pet an save doing that, I like the lore as it is atm).
Have classes with pets as Full pet classes not hybrids at least to start with imo AND make the DRG more like the many other (an better imo) DRG's from others FF titles.

It seems to me the majority Don't want it, So lets roll with that... :)
I have to play with a poor Auto Attack system so fair is fair lol. :p

Oh an Again SE if your going to say things like most people want/lilke/agree/hate anything like that, Back it with a poll Linked to accounts will you please.

Dragon-slaying Dragon Knight.

The solitary, taciturn, whirlwind-bringing halberd-spinning Dragoon a la Kain in the glory days.

Wyverns are cute and I love 'em, but keep 'em in XI, please, and just leave us the super-strong Dragoon. ._. Please.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-members-total.

Who care levels a manly job

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Originally Posted by Kio

All the wyvern hate on this forum makes me really sad for this game.

After reading through several replies, it's become clear to me that people are only concerned with seeing high numbers off their melee as typical without taking into account any benefits or consequences of other factors involved.

If a wyvern partner is added to dragoon, that does not mean that the player will suddenly be a wet noodle flailing about like a sissy in front of a mob. What it infers, is that some of the stats will be split and placed on the second body, and the end result is still the same output. The total output of a dragoon plus wyvern will be the same as a dragoon without wyvern whichever route SE ultimately takes.

Wyvern plus dragoon is actually far more powerful if you look at the XI model, and assume some of the basics will still be in place.
Lance is traditionally a high delay weapon, this is instantly made moot with the high dps a wyvern brings in. So a dragoon may use stronger, higher delay weapons but maintain fast dps. No other class can do that.

Wyvern and dragoon do high damage but because its split between two bodies, any enmity gained is also. So dragoon plus wyvern can safely do more damage dealing moves more frequently and have slower enmity gain. Currently, no other class can do that.

Wyvern is semi automated and doesn't require much if any distraction or micromanaging from the player.

Wyvern, in XI, was able to heal just as well as having a mage around if you knew how to take advantage of it. The verstility of being able to change the wyvern's "job", in tune, made the dragoon extremely versatile. If wyvern, worked in a similar fashion to XI, its like getting double the effect out of most of your equipped abilities.

Wyvern could emergency tank for different exploits or (run away!), allowing the dragoon to have more survivability.

Wyvern had unique and interesting features and aesthetic qualities. A lot of which could be advanced upon in this game. Wyvern can grow, learn new abilities, maybe be customizable to some degree, perhaps have armor upgrades to make them more powerful, and in turn the dragoon more powerful...
There's just so much potential.

So it makes me rather dismayed to see people pout and say they just want one or two jump attacks added to their lancer and somehow think the currently broken balance with the class will forever remain in tact. For those who just want a really strong super melee with a lance are doing themselves a great disservice if they believe that avenue is with a wyvernless dragoon.

If anything, I hope that maybe SE will do a compromise, and just make it so that dragoon will be in tact solo, but when he/she summons the wyvern, at that point the stat different is deducted and granted to the wyvern. Maybe a percentage so that improving your own stats will also improve the wyvern as well. In this way those who poo-poo the wyvern aren't forced to play with it summoned without consequence (but without benefit), and those who wish to use the wyvern may do so at any time they please.

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All this you can do with a chocobo in FF XIV 2.0, too
Wyvern not needed

This thread needs more Legend of Dragoon references. Epic game.

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Hm...I strongly believe all this arguing back and forth without ever finding common ground is silly (and childish to some extent). Several times I read about the idea to have both, the strong attack focused single Dragoon, and the duo of Dragoon and Wyvern. Why not just settling for this?

I'd see the single version as very strong melee character (pretty much what Lancer is these days compared to other classes) with awesome jumps and dragon abilities and whatever else most of you are wishing for. No idea how it's going to work, but assuming it won't be as easy to swap jobs as it is to swap classes, this version could be using the dragon mount (for whatever special purpose).

Then there is the duo version. Sorry, no dragon mount for you, instead your powers show off in the image of a Wyvern pet fighting alongside you. Melee output won't be as great of course, but instead this job would be more versatile (pretty much in the way Dragoons could somewhat adapt to different situations by changing subjobs, yea sorry to bring up FFXI, for some strange reason it happens naturally). Then there could be the skillchains I mentioned before, maybe some magical Wyvern abilities and...no clue, guess there could be a lot of different stuff for both Dragoon versions.

This is the solution I'd feel most happy with, knowing that half the world (or so it appears) won't be pissed, and those who actually love the dragon pets would be happy too. Sure, one could argue that it would be twice the work. But hey...can't find a better moment for all this than now, with the game getting rebuilt from scratch almost. I just think this way everybody could lean back and relax, and go with the compromise instead.

GAH! Let's be honest, why not Dragoon is a Dragoon that make a PATCH with a REAL DRAGON instead of a PUNY WYVREN THAT DIES A LOT, and let the Dragoon mount on the dragon and gain dragon-like abilities, such as regen, magic breath, jump, and many2 cool stuff, with the big giant Dragon as his Contractor.

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All the wyvern hate on this forum makes me really sad for this game.

After reading through several replies, it's become clear to me that people are only concerned with seeing high numbers off their melee as typical without taking into account any benefits or consequences of other factors involved.

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Imagine that, people want to be a powerful fighter in an online fantasy game. Someone call the media, there's a story to be found here.

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If a wyvern partner is added to dragoon, that does not mean that the player will suddenly be a wet noodle flailing about like a sissy in front of a mob. What it infers, is that some of the stats will be split and placed on the second body, and the end result is still the same output. The total output of a dragoon plus wyvern will be the same as a dragoon without wyvern whichever route SE ultimately takes.

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Depending on how damage is calculated, dividing stats up between two attackers may well result in extremely lousy results. Damage calculations in XI did not at all work like that - not sure how the damage calculations work in XIV yet, but this is a really big assertion to make with zero information to back it up.

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Wyvern plus dragoon is actually far more powerful if you look at the XI model, and assume some of the basics will still be in place.
Lance is traditionally a high delay weapon, this is instantly made moot with the high dps a wyvern brings in. So a dragoon may use stronger, higher delay weapons but maintain fast dps. No other class can do that.

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And every time that wyvern drops, there goes the DPS.

And oh, how often they drop.

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Wyvern and dragoon do high damage but because its split between two bodies, any enmity gained is also. So dragoon plus wyvern can safely do more damage dealing moves more frequently and have slower enmity gain. Currently, no other class can do that.

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Breath attacks are still useless, easily resisted, and not to be counted on in XI. Drakesbane is what makes Dragoon potent, as well as Jumping away enmity gain.

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Wyvern is semi automated and doesn't require much if any distraction or micromanaging from the player.

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I thought we were gunning for less automation in XIV combat, and more interaction?

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Wyvern, in XI, was able to heal just as well as having a mage around if you knew how to take advantage of it. The verstility of being able to change the wyvern's "job", in tune, made the dragoon extremely versatile. If wyvern, worked in a similar fashion to XI, its like getting double the effect out of most of your equipped abilities.

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That only ever worked because hate gain from healing breath was negligible, perhaps even nonexistent. It was never as good as a mage, due to having to be at low HP to operate HB, though in the situations where it worked, it did indeed work very well. Perhaps a bit too well - having an effective pool of 12-16,000 HP with a good HB/MP setup at 75 seemed 'unbalanced', shall we say.

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Wyvern could emergency tank for different exploits or (run away!), allowing the dragoon to have more survivability.

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Man, I can't stand dragoons who throw their little blue buddy at the mob to save their bacon. Sheesh. o.o

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Wyvern had unique and interesting features and aesthetic qualities. A lot of which could be advanced upon in this game. Wyvern can grow, learn new abilities, maybe be customizable to some degree, perhaps have armor upgrades to make them more powerful, and in turn the dragoon more powerful...
There's just so much potential.

So it makes me rather dismayed to see people pout and say they just want one or two jump attacks added to their lancer and somehow think the currently broken balance with the class will forever remain in tact. For those who just want a really strong super melee with a lance are doing themselves a great disservice if they believe that avenue is with a wyvernless dragoon.

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You seem to be missing the point.

People want to be a traditional Dragoon, as it was before XI, from all the old games we used to play. The games that evoked "hell, yes! Dragoon time!", be it Kain from IV, anyone from V, Mog/anyone from VI, or Freya from IX. It isn't just the damage potential - it's the flavor of the Dragoon, the burdened dragon-slaying specialist. And yes, it revolves around Jump. IT IS ALL ABOUT JUMP. IT'S DRAGOON.

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If anything, I hope that maybe SE will do a compromise, and just make it so that dragoon will be in tact solo, but when he/she summons the wyvern, at that point the stat different is deducted and granted to the wyvern. Maybe a percentage so that improving your own stats will also improve the wyvern as well. In this way those who poo-poo the wyvern aren't forced to play with it summoned without consequence (but without benefit), and those who wish to use the wyvern may do so at any time they please.

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Taking focus away from what Dragoon was always supposed to be. Ain't no poo-pooing about it, wyverns were fun, but that wasn't what Dragoon was. I want Dragoon as I remember it from my childhood. Given the chance to vote, I'd say no wyvern, except as a mount, or a pet at one's residence. Leave the battle to the Dragon Knight.

Furthermore, I am amused at the talk of poo-pooing wyverns, when you list sacrificing your flying chum to flee the battle as a reason to keep them around. Good golly.

sorry for double posting, if it ask wheter to add PET on 1.21 i will vote no,

Also would love a variety of Dragoon with or without pets, and i more or so do not want wyvren and want more of a Dragon making a patch with a Dragoon to receive the power of the Dragon!

Dragon heart anyone?

Lancer = no pet.
Dragoon = pet.

Hows that? We good now?

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Originally Posted by Jericho

Lancer = no pet.
Dragoon = pet.

Hows that? We good now?

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N.. no, we're not.

Did Cid have a wyvern in 7? no to wyvern. . . oh wait wyvern ok just make it 2 hr ability to pop it.

By the way, the issues here are:

a) Yoshida explicitly asked for player feedback about the idea of the Job Dragoon which they're adding immediately as Lancer's first specialisation job, having wyverns.

b) Many people don't think that's a good idea. I don't think many of us are saying "Wyverns have no place in this game, ever" - the sig is mostly a joke. It's just that we don't want to see Lancer's -first- specialisation being a pet job, especially when they have plans for classes revolving around pets already.

c) It's okay to argue for or against ideas if you feel strongly about them! Furthermore, and factoring in there being a time and a place for snark as long as everyone is classy about it, and puts forth good arguments, arguing against the proposition "The Dragoon Job in FFXIV should have a wyvern" does not make you a hater or a troll or whatever else, it makes you someone who does not agree with that proposition, and ideally you then put forth your reasoning as to why you don't agree, and in theory the development team receives this as feedback.

d) HARMONY IN THE UNIVERSE!

No pet needed to be AWESOME.

Updated the live producer letter http://goo.gl/tMzrF

From there the dragoon stuff:

F: Q: this one is from forum NA side really wants to know this but will there be Wyvern for Dragoon?
Y: For this one when I went to overseas last week and answered this but I returned this as a question since you're having a pet you want it to fight right? If you think about that for a battle class we have to balance out as both character+pet so if you look at the character (dragoon) alone from other jobs/class it will look week. For a pet class to have a pet is a must so don’t know if that's what you want; it’s better to have a pet class and have the pet function there however for Dragoon I know what you guys mean as an image, so for example, it’s hard to do with current engine so it will be for the new engine but say like when you jump dragon is summoned and dragon uses a breath, so we’re looking into stuff like that of course. But if asking is there a wyvern buddy in reality there isn’t any right now since we have to balance out right now but we are looking into ways to link with dragons so please look forward to it in the future.

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Aside from this my own thoughts on it and I agree with YoshiP's idea + he kind of gave us a hint...
Instead of saying Chocobo fighting together with you, they said BUDDY so it's possible in the future to be able to have other buddies no? In this "other" buddies it's possible to think of having a "Wyvern" buddy no?

At least that's how I see it if they will add wyvern to this game and make Dragoon strong like Kaine from FFIV.

Dragoon is a 17th century Mounted Cav.

If anything, maybe Dragoons could have a special dragon mount but there is no reason for them to have a dragon pet.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

Then you have an easily abuse-able system in which the Dragoon can simply kite mobs while the Wyvern kills everything for it.

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Soloution: Wyvern stops attacking if Dragoon stops.

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Originally Posted by Kirith

In XI dragoon was the most boring DD class to play for years. It also didn't do enough damage with its flawed accuracy so everyone shunned DRGs, wyvern or not. As long as it's balanced and has a rich play style, it really doesn't matter whether it gets a pet or not.

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I do no tknow why people considered Dragoon as a weak DD. It was not. With the right gears, Jumps provided extra TP boost, which allowed Dragoons to spam WS a lot. There were so very many times where I've outparsed SAMs, WARs, and DRKs on my DD in so many endgame events. All it took is the right gear and right skills

ToAU changes made Dragoons even more powerful than ever. The access to Askar Body, most notably (Double attack and Store TP), as well as Ares Body, with refresh, which made dragoon/mage even more powerful (with refresh they can heal almost indefinitely). Finally /blu made it a very powerful DD and ability to heal others through the wyvern.

Personally, I'm okay with either. Dragoons should never be considered as a 'pet job', it is still a DD with a companion (the wyvern), that provides little DD power, and yet powers up Dragoon's abilities thanks to recent changes. Most notable example: Having Wyvern out will greatly power Spirit Jump and soul Jump. With Wyvern out, you get the following bonuses: you could get almost 100% TP from both Spirit Jump and Soul Jump as they provide huge bonus. (Spirit Jump would receive 2 times the tp of normal jump while Soul Jump would receive 3 times the bonus.) Plus, Spirit/Soul jumps would be 100% critical hit
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Bottomline is: Dragoon was never a gimpy DD despite the fact that they have a wyvern. They were still an extremely strong DD, despite the fact that most of the FFXI players were too busy going "loldrg" to care.

Also, FYI, Dragoon in FFXI were almost exactly the same as typical Final Fantasy Dragoons. Wyverns only made it slightly different.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Too late to change direction. There was no information indicating Dragoon would have a Wyvern or a pet of any sort, and going by that, if they decide on the spur of the moment to change Dragoon from a crit-based class to a pet class, that would effectively delay patch 1.21 for four months. And that's a very conservative estimate.

I'm sure you don't want the entire playerbase mad at you.

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Making Dragoon a pet class would not delay patch 1.21 because pet classes and the pets for them won't be ready til closer to the 2.0 release and would come in the form of a quest like all other abilities for jobs. That is where the balancing would come in. Also Dragoon can still be a beastly crit class with a pet it will just have some adjustments done to the abilities and it may or may not get nerfed. Depends on the community's feelings on the matter AFTER it has been done just like 80% of the adjustments underway.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

If you tie the Wyvern directly to the Dragoon in terms of attack times, etc. Then there's no point of having the Wyvern there for anything than aesthetic reasons. And, as I said before that's absolutely pointless. Why would we even want something like that as it adds zero game-play value?

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Like jump. :3
No point in having it aside from aesthetic reasons, absolutely pointless. Why would people want it something that adds zero game-play value? Might be a good question to ask the jumpers.

Anyways.. I still don't see why wyvern pets couldn't be quested and optional. With people who don't obtain them not losing out on anything.

Anyone missing a http://www.google.com/url?source=img...8Xa9VpLyN_qBVQ sig, will no longer be taken seriously.

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

Anyone missing a http://www.google.com/url?source=img...8Xa9VpLyN_qBVQ sig, will no longer be taken seriously.

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I don't wanna clutter my sig with random stuff ; ;

Mmm people really missing the buddy system part which can be really really good if you think about it...

Right now the buddy system is setup for Chocobo but say SE decides to make Wyvern buddy, or Moogle Buddy that has different skills/abilities it will make the game play interesting in future.... (why the hell would devs call it buddy system if they are not thinking about other buddies... i would call it Chocobo Buddy instead of Buddy alone)

And say with Wyvern Buddy it has abilities to help Dragoon in some way it's better to call a Wyvern than a Chocobo.
Chocobo Buddy - helps say overall classes
Wyvern Buddy - Dragoon benefits bit more, or can be more for fighter class (then FFXI Dragoon's gonna cry again... so need to think of something....)
Moogle Buddy - benefits Sorcerer class more

...crafter/gatherer ... i dunno......... Coblin Buddy? w

At least this way you get your full on Dragoon and same time you got your Wyvern buddy if you call it out.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Mmm people really missing the buddy system part which can be really really good if you think about it...

Right now the buddy system is setup for Chocobo but say SE decides to make Wyvern buddy, or Moogle Buddy that has different skills/abilities it will make the game play interesting in future.... (why the hell would devs call it buddy system if they are not thinking about other buddies... i would call it Chocobo Buddy instead of Buddy alone)

And say with Wyvern Buddy it has abilities to help Dragoon in some way it's better to call a Wyvern than a Chocobo.
Chocobo Buddy - helps say overall classes
Wyvern Buddy - Dragoon benefits bit more, or can be more for fighter class (then FFXI Dragoon's gonna cry again... so need to think of something....)
Moogle Buddy - benefits Sorcerer class more

...crafter/gatherer ... i dunno......... Coblin Buddy? w

At least this way you get your full on Dragoon and same time you got your Wyvern buddy if you call it out.

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How dare you fight the vast vast majority of players and their polls that reach all corners of everyone playing Final Fantasy XIV.

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...rMVNfKNWrKhubg

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

if they decide on the spur of the moment to change Dragoon from a crit-based class to a pet class, that would effectively delay patch 1.21 for four months. And that's a very conservative estimate.

I'm sure you don't want the entire playerbase mad at you.

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OR they could add wyverns as questable and optional sometime after 2.0. :)

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Originally Posted by Felis

Can a simple Lancer do this? :

I say no to Dragoon Pet. Keep all the Dragoon skills to the Dragoon himself

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I totally agree with something like this.

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Originally Posted by Atomisk

Did Cid have a wyvern in 7? no to wyvern. . . oh wait wyvern ok just make it 2 hr ability to pop it.

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he could summon one as a limit break actually....it was called Dragon. But when did he become a dragoon? helll noone in FF7 really had a true class, just weapons. Attach materia to them and now they cast spells of any kind....and summon.

and above my posy shows freya could summon dragons (looks like spirits, but its a dragon) but hey, lets ignore that and keep letting these loads of people who have not even touched LNC decide the fate of a class they likely wont touch.

Use to think she was so epic when using Dragon's Crest

btw i love this quote which unless you work for SE, its a giant load of bull. Love this kind of crap.

"Originally Posted by SilvertearRen
if they decide on the spur of the moment to change Dragoon from a crit-based class to a pet class, that would effectively delay patch 1.21 for four months. And that's a very conservative estimate.

I'm sure you don't want the entire playerbase mad at you."

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

How dare you fight the vast vast majority of players and their polls that reach all corners of everyone playing Final Fantasy XIV.

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...rMVNfKNWrKhubg

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aww hell no; how dare you!!

Should be ALL to wear subligar a requirement!

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...N_kUPNF5j8.jpg

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

I do no tknow why people considered Dragoon as a weak DD. It was not. With the right gears, Jumps provided extra TP boost, which allowed Dragoons to spam WS a lot. There were so very many times where I've outparsed SAMs, WARs, and DRKs on my DD in so many endgame events. All it took is the right gear and right skills

ToAU changes made Dragoons even more powerful than ever. The access to Askar Body, most notably (Double attack and Store TP), as well as Ares Body, with refresh, which made dragoon/mage even more powerful (with refresh they can heal almost indefinitely). Finally /blu made it a very powerful DD and ability to heal others through the wyvern.

Personally, I'm okay with either. Dragoons should never be considered as a 'pet job', it is still a DD with a companion (the wyvern), that provides little DD power, and yet powers up Dragoon's abilities thanks to recent changes. Most notable example: Having Wyvern out will greatly power Spirit Jump and soul Jump. With Wyvern out, you get the following bonuses: you could get almost 100% TP from both Spirit Jump and Soul Jump as they provide huge bonus. (Spirit Jump would receive 2 times the tp of normal jump while Soul Jump would receive 3 times the bonus.) Plus, Spirit/Soul jumps would be 100% critical hit
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Bottomline is: Dragoon was never a gimpy DD despite the fact that they have a wyvern. They were still an extremely strong DD, despite the fact that most of the FFXI players were too busy going "loldrg" to care.

Also, FYI, Dragoon in FFXI were almost exactly the same as typical Final Fantasy Dragoons. Wyverns only made it slightly different.

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I agree with you on this. DRG was not "popular" for a very long time, and I was ridiculed despite being able to out parse other DDs with ease. With skill and decent gear a dragoon in XI could be an impressive DD or a decent DD and healing support. Dragoon got the "lol" status after they nerfed the /sam - penta issue leaving them with no real 2 hour ability and a wyvern that in many situations could not survive AoE. I think dragoon was "gimp" in a sense at that time, but only because they got screwed on some abilities. I think that did a lot to create a negative attitude most players had toward the job. I would hope if they decide to add a pet it does not turn out this way.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

aww hell no; how dare you!!

Should be ALL to wear subligar a requirement!

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...N_kUPNF5j8.jpg

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I support your support of... umm... supportive underwear as long as I can have green.

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...MttLdGOUh3A4-g

Edit : I reserve the right to change my mind on any issue as I see fit, except on no wyvern circle sigs, my mind wont change on that.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

aww hell no; how dare you!!

Should be ALL to wear subligar a requirement!

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...N_kUPNF5j8.jpg

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I am voting Subligar for the next Presidential Election. Last time my friend voted for Cthulu but ofc he didn't win. ; ;

What I want is this:

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JPGAMES.DE, Frederick: What are your future plans for the lancer class, what role is he going to play in future groups and what role is his job dragoon, or dragon knight, meant to play?

Yoshida Naoki: Yes, the lancer is going to be the main dragoon class, plus another class, so you have to achieve those two in order to walk the dragoon route.

The dragoon will be a critical hit damage dealer. They will make the most powerful critical damage to enemies. However, they need to do combo attacks and if they are successful, then they will bring the most effective damage to the enemy. This attack is unlike the one from FINAL FANTASY XI. When they are successful, then they can make this really powerful damage.

But we are fully aware of players that are really looking forward to the dragoons jump, we are looking into possibilities on how we can show that aspect to the players. Regarding 1.20 and 1.21, we are thinking about what we can do with the graphic engine… But when we make the new graphic engine, releasing with 2.0, we are still thinking about what we can do, so we are aware of that element as well.

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Ok so there are alot of posts here an im just skipping to the end.

YES I want a pet Wyvern
NO I don't want to be weakened because of it.
SOLUTION! Give dragoons a self or party buff that WHILE It is in effect has a Pet Wyvern floating alongside you as its visual effect. Something along the lines of...

Wyverns Cunning
Increases Critical Hit Rate, while lowering Defense.
30:00 Duration, :30 Recast

That gives us a nifty little companion, but doesn't need any weakening of the class.

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Originally Posted by Vesper

Ok so there are alot of posts here an im just skipping to the end.

YES I want a pet Wyvern
NO I don't want to be weakened because of it.
SOLUTION! Give dragoons a self or party buff that WHILE It is in effect has a Pet Wyvern floating alongside you as its visual effect. Something along the lines of...

Wyverns Cunning
Increases Critical Hit Rate, while lowering Defense.
30:00 Duration, :30 Recast

That gives us a nifty little companion, but doesn't need any weakening of the class.

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DO people just think the the wyvern damage just doesnt count or something? Yes you are slightly weaker, but the pet makes up for it. And if all you care about is parser #s...well consider adding your pet damage to it and you will be surprised. I just dont get the idea people have in their heads that if they are weaker, then its all hell and they would never think to say "well its my pet so thats also my damage".

really...i dont get it.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

really...i dont get it.

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No one truly understands this community lol. The Dragoon would be weaker, but the damage is made up with the wyvern. People see the words "weaker" and say "NO GET WHAT IS CAUSING IT TO BE WEAKER OUT OF HERE" basically. Unless they make heavy modifications to the way critical hits are handled in this game or they just don't care for balance, Dragoon will get nerfed very quickly if it's a critical based job.

Know how Archer got nerfed because of basically bringing about the apocalypse? Yeah, Dragoon will be next in line. In FFXI, the wyvern was literally essential for solo play, because it gained access to restoring and healing breaths, which if it was done by the Dragoon itself, guess what would happen? You not only drop your overall damage in order to use a breath move or restoring ability, you also lay yourself open for attack, whereas if your wyvern did it, you're free to do whatever after a simple cast of dia.

The one thing people still keep forgetting about, is the only reason pet balance is off in MMOs is because of people complaining that they would be overpowered. It's not because they're hard to balance in terms of coding, it's because it's hard to meet a perfect balance that won't cause people to complain.

I don't really think many of the anti-wyvern people are against it purely because their DPS will be shifted. That's silly. Please stop arguing it just because it's the easiest and shallowest of the anti-pet-class arguments to attack; these threads are ridiculous enough already.

I would like Pet, share the pet dmg when its out, and full dmg when its released., i wanna stand out as a different DD, not one with MNKWARARC.