Yo Yosh, Can you please disable the ability to teleport?

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Originally Posted by Gramul

You know very well that's not what people are saying at all.
The very aspect of teleports is damaging to content, specifically the overcrowded hunts and general use of an overworld as an overworld and not just a collection of small hub points.
That's why some people are asking for its removal/nerf. To make more prominent content better, not to hurt you personally.

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It's aimed more at the people whose only reason for teleport removal is "It's spoiling the game" - and there have been several who have said that. It's not spoiling anything because it's optional. Sometimes I choose to Chocobo from Mist to Limsa just so I can enjoy the scenery. On the occasions I can't be arsed with that I can Return or Teleport. In 1.0 I chose to Chocobo from Gridania to Ul'dah because it was an immersion rich, enjoyable gaming experience. But, again, on the occasions I couldn't be bothered I'd just teleport.

Taking that choice away would be very harsh on anyone who likes the teleports because nobody is being forced to use them. Those who are anti-port can simply not use them and go about their business. On the other hand, if you take the teleports away, you're removing the choice from one side, to appease the other side who have that choice anyway. It just makes zero sense. I appreciate it's not personal to those who do like to teleport, but they would take it that way if a very small minority of people got them removed - and quite rightly. There is no logical reason to remove ports to appease people who can simply choose not to use them anyway.

And I honestly believe hunts are overcrowded by design. Teleportation is merely a catalyst for this. Hunts would still be overcrowded even if people had to Airship or Chocobo everywhere, you'd just be more likely to find an unclaimed B Rank because nobody would bother with them.

its a mater of game experience. for example hunts with or with or with out transport a soon as the party gets there the will pull and kill it. its terms of that experience you just have to spend more hours just for 20 seals instead of the current rate. with to me and most players its not worth it and you get more complaint.

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like mention in game you never ever to have to use transport if you don't want to.

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having your option heard is great ting but I just cant agree is trying to force your game pay to others. its an online MMO the designer have to considerate 90% of players and try to accommodate the .01%. the 9.99% you will never please and quits any way.

Yoshi-P has said himself that the era of MMOs demanding enormous amounts of time is something he believes a lot of people are not interested in doing anymore. Some people only have a few hours to play a night, so it would not be an enjoyable experience for them to spend half of that time traveling back and forth. Relying on artificial game-extensions like extensive travel time is bad game design. Yoshi-P and the Dev. Team brought this game back from the brink; I think they know what they're doing.

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Originally Posted by Zohnax

Relying on artificial game-extensions like extensive travel time is bad game design.

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One could argue weekly lockouts and caps on most content is also bad game design.

*Shrug*

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Originally Posted by Jynx

One could argue weekly lockouts and caps on most content is also bad game design.

*Shrug*

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You can argue all you want, which you obviously have no problem doing with how much time you spend on here versus on the game, but that doesn't make you an expert on game design; let alone MMO design. Your lack of a constructive response of all points and retorting to what your belief is again only serves to solidify the point that the small party vocalizing their discontent of a misplaced desire for antiquated gameplay experiences will not see anything past what they want. Let alone, your lack of understanding of the reality of the game development try to play catch-up for all the lost time of the failure of 1.0.

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Originally Posted by Zohnax

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Thing I find is that when people have nothing else to say to back up their claim, they get really defensive and attack the person personally. You have no idea, he could be a game designer himself. You don't know. So please cool down a bit, take a step back, and tell us why you think limiting teleportation is such a terrible thing when it literally takes 30mins15mins to choco from gridania to uldah.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

Second reason is that with your poorly excuse of open world content people can easly crowed to the best one that is up in less than a minute. Thus making it a spam fest of aoes instead of actually having to try to kill something.

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No, it was removed, so it isn't going to be added back in.

EG: Back in 1.x, we had many quests that requires you to travel from zone A to zone B to zone C, do a combat, then back to zone B then zone A to complete the quest.

So, do you REALLY want to waste 1-1/2 to 2 hrs of senseless travelling on your chocobo, just to do a 5 minute quest combat? No.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

and tell us why you think limiting teleportation is such a terrible thing when it literally takes 30mins15mins to choco from gridania to uldah.

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This option is still available for you to do, w/o the need to limit any form of transportation. Therefore, just because you like to play this game via the slow travelling method that is available, why is there a need to force it upon the rest of the player base?

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Er, that is when you walk on foot.
On chocobo uldah grid takes 3 mins, a bit less if your loading times are quick

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Those quests were optional. The main story was pretty good and had better CS and quest system then this crap. You didn't have to spam quest after quest after quest, ya know, quest training. Because the story quests were so far apart it felt like they had more meaning than just feeling like they were trash quests. So yeah, I do wanna waist 1-2 hours of senseless traveling to make the journey of defeating something grand even more worth while. Instead of it being just another mob.

I mean, even the job quest boss battles were tough in 1.x. These job quests are a joke compared.... You know I complained how easy it was to gain your artifact in 1.x, well it's even easier now and now I wish it was the same as 1.x.

Point is, quests felt like they had more meaning then just simply spamming them because you couldn't, because you couldn't they were able to make more unique quests. Especially one that you all dear close to your heart the detective one(vandabrand..?), forgot his name.

I do not miss waiting for boats in Everquest or any other MMO in the pre-wow era off mmo's. I also dont miss traveling across the world in 40 mins on foot or mount.

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Originally Posted by Sp3cia1

I do not miss waiting for boats in Everquest or any other MMO in the pre-wow era off mmo's. I also dont miss traveling across the world in 40 mins on foot or mount.

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Even though I would prefer a lengthy travel time and a vast world to suit it, I think they took the right approach for this day and age. From what I've noticed more and more people want convenience, which is a good and bad thing. Personally I have my HP set in Limsa and my free destination is Gridania, which puts me at a reasonable distance to Coerthas/Mor Dhona and lets me access East Shroud much easier to farm my daily treasure maps, as well as gives me that opportunity to not use the teleport feature. Aside from that I will typically mount up and ride where I need to go but will teleport when I'm feeling either tired or lazy, in a hunting group or if my next destination is literally on the other side of the world.

No thanks.

Keep your YE VERILY RP forest walks to yourself and let the rest of us enjoy the game. We have plenty of systems now to encourage traversing the world, we don't need travel timesinks. Every time one of these topics is brought up, the first thing I do is scan for the FFXI reference and lo and behold it's front and center. No one wants an MMO that plays like FFXI in 2014, deal with it, go back to that game if you're so desperate for slipshod immersion.

FORSOOTH, I DOTH ENJOY THESE STROLLS THROUGH THE WILDS WHERE I CAN FILLETH MINE GOBLET FROM NOBLE STREAMS. NOW IF THOU WILL EXCUSE ME, I MUST PICK UP MINE UNEMPLOYMENT CHECK

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Originally Posted by Mapleine

No thanks.

Keep your YE VERILY RP forest walks to yourself and let the rest of us enjoy the game. We have plenty of systems now to encourage traversing the world, we don't need travel timesinks.

Every time one of these topics is brought up, the first thing I do is scan for the FFXI reference and lo and behold it's front and center. No one wants an MMO that plays like FFXI in 2014, deal with it, go back to that game if you're so desperate for slipshod immersion at the cost of gameplay and flow.

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I love that argument, go back to FFXI. FFXI is not the FFXI it used to be also, it's pretty dated now graphics and the systems. Though if they came out with a FFXI 2 I would love to go back to it if it kept to its roots.

There are no systems in place for you to traverse the world, because there is no reason for traversing the world. It's not about RP because I don't RP, I find Rping kind of strange. The thing is if they didn't have these conveniences you wouldn't even think about em and you would still like the game and play the game as you are today, except a little differently.

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Originally Posted by Mapleine

I MUST PICK UP MINE UNEMPLOYMENT CHECK

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Man you nailed it right on the head didn't you?

Everyone who enjoys atmosphere or a sense of being in a fantasy game are all unemployed nerds amiright?

Good to know your such a outstanding contribution to society with your wife, kids, 12 jobs, hell I find it hard to see where you eke out time to log into the game with how much time you don't have. Am I doing this whole condesending person thing right?

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

I'm still sure this is a fake Rokien.

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On further investigation, I concur.
This is not Rokien.
I'm not 100% sure as to why they'd impersonate Rokien, but...eh.

I'd rather impersonate the late legendary Gath.

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Originally Posted by Mapleine

No thanks.

Keep your YE VERILY RP forest walks to yourself and let the rest of us enjoy the game. We have plenty of systems now to encourage traversing the world, we don't need travel timesinks. Every time one of these topics is brought up, the first thing I do is scan for the FFXI reference and lo and behold it's front and center. No one wants an MMO that plays like FFXI in 2014, deal with it, go back to that game if you're so desperate for slipshod immersion.

FORSOOTH, I DOTH ENJOY THESE STROLLS THROUGH THE WILDS WHERE I CAN FILLETH MINE GOBLET FROM NOBLE STREAMS. NOW IF THOU WILL EXCUSE ME, I MUST PICK UP MINE UNEMPLOYMENT CHECK

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Why the unkindness Mapleine?

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Originally Posted by ErBear

Thing I find is that when people have nothing else to say to back up their claim, they get really defensive and attack the person personally. You have no idea, he could be a game designer himself. You don't know. So please cool down a bit, take a step back, and tell us why you think limiting teleportation is such a terrible thing when it literally takes 30mins15mins to choco from gridania to uldah.

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Don't try to condescend and demand me to repost what I've already posted in previous pages when you ignored two of them so far. If you have to ask me to list the reasons why constantly spending fifteen minutes traveling to and from several areas is bad, you must limit how much you do in the game a lot. Because I personally travel all over constantly between gathering, Hunts, events, and other miscellaneous musings.

Also, someone who spends enough time on here to be at almost 4,000 posts is not some professional game designer.

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Originally Posted by Zohnax

Also, someone who spends enough time on here to be at almost 4,000 posts is not some professional game designer.

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You wound me sir!

To be honest I'm a graphics designer but that's neither here nor there. I've always been interested in game design though and is partly why I do spend alot of time here and other forums. Not that me being a game designer would have any effect on what I'm saying it's just as valid wether I do it for a living or not.

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Originally Posted by Tsuwu

On further investigation, I concur.
This is not Rokien.
I'm not 100% sure as to why they'd impersonate Rokien, but...eh.

I'd rather impersonate the late legendary Gath.

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You could go to my twitter Rokien_ or add me on skype dannas29 or ps dannas-

lol I'm the real rokien, though, how do you come to the conclusion that I'm not the real rokien?

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Originally Posted by Zohnax

Also, someone who spends enough time on here to be at almost 4,000 posts is not some professional game designer.

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I have 4,285 posts on this forum.
I get paid for working on videogames. This makes me a professional by definition. It's not big or important work mind you, but the point is, the effort required to post here is hardly taxing.

Mmos stopped being a virtual world a long time ago theres no immersion anymore. Lazy people got rid of that concept a long time ago.

A lot of the quests are like "escort this wagon to "blah blah blah" and im thinking "why the hell don't you just teleport"? Then you teleport over there and they're like "thanks for the escort"!

...*sigh*

Well the teleport is because canonically, only a few can teleport due to it being quite taxing thus only adventurers and people of equal strength can do it.

But yeah it is somewhat stupid to teleport and they are still acting like you walked with them >_>

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Originally Posted by Jynx

-I'm not sure how making people travel the overworld as it currently is would be a negative, as it's been stated previously even without the teleports it would take about 10 minutes (Less really) to reach any point of the map you want. This is linked to my next point.

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Removing a cconvenience is a negative. It would leave a nasty afferaffect within the playerbase, you don't make such an overreaching change to practically all aspects of the game because one part of it is flawed, aka hunts.

You can only explore something once, after it becomes the norm. Running the same paths every day back and forth is, as others have stated, time you are not playing the game. You don't care about the scenery because you have already seen it before the first time you went through. Then it just becomes repetition, and repetition leads to boredome, theres enough of that already with having to run the same dungeons every day. No need to add to it with a pointless auto run between point A and B.

FFXI, where everyone utilized teleports whenever possible, even if they had to pay for it. Or, practically, invulnerable chocobos to totally bypass any danger. Don't believe that everyone walked everywhere avoiding danger in FFXI, because they didn't whenever they didn't need to. Instead of giving the ability to teleport to a select few jobs, they made it accesible to everyone in 14.

I've read the OP, and I'll give a simple answer as I don't wanna bother with 27 pages of responses.

No. Just no.

That's it. It's not gonna happen no matter what your justification is.
I was one of those people who walked into dangerous areas in FFXI and EQ1 and all those games. One or two times it's thrilling. Thirty or forty times it's tedious.
Here's a hint: If even the original design team of FFXIV thought a convenience was worth having, it's probably a good idea. This is the same team that thought using levequests to level up was a good idea, so if even THEY realize something is tedious, it probably is.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

I've read the OP, and I'll give a simple answer as I don't wanna bother with 27 pages of responses.

No. Just no.

That's it. It's not gonna happen no matter what your justification is.
I was one of those people who walked into dangerous areas in FFXI and EQ1 and all those games. One or two times it's thrilling. Thirty or forty times it's tedious.
Here's a hint: If even the original design team of FFXIV thought a convenience was worth having, it's probably a good idea. This is the same team that thought using levequests to level up was a good idea, so if even THEY realize something is tedious, it probably is.

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If you wanna talk about doing things over and over again... here we go:

http://eorzeareborn.com/wp-content/u...ultantree1.jpg

That's just the main storyline.... it's littered with pointless trash quests that you literally have to go back and forth for.

That's not even counting the 441 trash quests that already litter the world where half of them are just: "Walk two feet or to the next town and give this or talk to this guy for me and return". That is over 500 trash quests that are tedious and quiet boring really. None of them have any substance, yet you think they are trying to add convience and try to get rid of tedium? That must be a joke... right?

If that's not enough tedium for ya... How about we go and do our weeklies Coil, CT, Primals..... how many times have you done those... lets see it was released in august so most people have done them at least 120 times by now, probably even more.

Can I please make in a request to just get the gear I want with one or two fights because anything after that is just too much.... I mean, you let other people skip other tedious things.

How many trash mobs are in dungeons that you run? TONS, they are pointless and just kinda slow you down. The only real challenge are the boss fights, so maybe they should just eliminate that tedious task of killing trash mobs.

What I'm getting at is, they did a poor design on this game if you don't want to repeat things. There is no quality in the open world, the quest system is one of the worst I've seen. None of them have any weight to them.... I guess I can see why they let you teleport so much now.... you have to get through all the other tedious trash.

Never mind, keep teleport how it is.

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While I agree with you, I want to give them lenience due to the fact they had a short schedule and had to pad the world. Here's hoping that the expansion improves on that. I agree with you with the trash, it's pointless and kinda sad that the whole dungeon is turned into a "RUN TO THE BOSS" thing. Do I still do it? Yes, but I'd like things to actually have meaning and wouldn't mind a duty taking longer. There is a reason such a large timer is given to complete it.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

Never mind, keep teleport how it is.

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Yay, thread can finally die!

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Originally Posted by ErBear

it's littered with pointless trash quests that you literally have to go back and forth for.

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These quests are not pointless. They appear to be carefully crafted to introduce you to level appropriate areas & show you the geography of the land. It's one of the features of this game that struck me as very well thought out when I first started playing.

Interesting that you have the opposite view...

Frankly, when you're end game, gil cost to travel isn't really daunting, but when you're just starting out, it looks like a lot of money and not spending money is much better. As I was leveling I would use Mount to travel most of the time to save money. The system is set like it is so that starter characters will actually travel the world to get where they need to go instead of teleporting everywhere. You could make it more expensive to deter the practice maybe but you can't go back to 1.0 now. Many people left the game because of how restrictive the system was. For players that stuck with it and still stick with it, power to you. For players that leave because of the changes, that's a person's decision. If they don't find it enjoyable anymore, you're free to find other forms of entertainment.

Man... I can't imagine how frustrating this game would be without teleport. =D I have 3 or so hours a night to play, and can usually get a good few things accomplished in that time. If they removed teleport, it would quickly be reduced to maybe 1-2 tasks a night. I'd spend more time traveling to my quests than actually doing the quests.

Wow. Yea, I actually like this thread, because it's made me stop and really appreciate how good we have it compared to how awful it could be.

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Originally Posted by kidvideo

These quests are not pointless. They appear to be carefully crafted to introduce you to level appropriate areas & show you the geography of the land. It's one of the features of this game that struck me as very well thought out when I first started playing.

Interesting that you have the opposite view...

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Have you played any other mmo? Just curious, because every other mmo does the exact same quest design. It's called mmo on rails or I like to call it quest train. It is designed in a way where one quest will lead you to 10 others in a different area. It's probably one of the worst mmo designs in my opinion, because not only do the quests have no real meaning in themselves because there's soo many of them, that they cannot do quality, which I want in a video game I pay monthly for. Another reason is the game tells you where to go and does the exploring for you, there is no sense of wonder, or help from the community.

Like for an example, FFXI. Where the heck do you go when you first level up to level 12. Beginners have NO idea, I sure as heck had no idea what to do. It forces you to use the community knowledge and forces one another to help each other. This design leaves nothing to the imagination, you know what to expect and where it will take you. Hand holding my friend.

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Originally Posted by Tolmos

Man... I can't imagine how frustrating this game would be without teleport. =D I have 3 or so hours a night to play, and can usually get a good few things accomplished in that time. If they removed teleport, it would quickly be reduced to maybe 1-2 tasks a night. I'd spend more time traveling to my quests than actually doing the quests.

Wow. Yea, I actually like this thread, because it's made me stop and really appreciate how good we have it compared to how awful it could be.

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With duty finder on how it is.... you should still get more than just 1-2 things done a night.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

With duty finder on how it is.... you should still get more than just 1-2 things done a night.

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As someone else who has many time constraints, getting ONE dungeon done a night is impressive. Sure I might be playing from 9pm to Midnight, but my queue is about 45 minutes, IF I AM LUCKY. Waiting for Ultima's Bane took over an hour. Then it comes to actually running the dungeon or in a Primal's case, killing the Primal, both which usually take about 40mins to an hour. Then add to it that people are constantly dropping out of DF, ignoring PF (if you are not Hunting) or rage-quitting Primals and it takes even longer or you can't even finish.

Tolmos is 100% correct.

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Originally Posted by Dagger_32

As someone else who has many time constraints, getting ONE dungeon done a night is impressive. Sure I might be playing from 9pm to Midnight, but my queue is about 45 minutes, IF I AM LUCKY. Waiting for Ultima's Bane took over an hour. Then it comes to actually running the dungeon or in a Primal's case, killing the Primal, both which usually take about 40mins to an hour. Then add to it that people are constantly dropping out of DF, ignoring PF (if you are not Hunting) or rage-quitting Primals and it takes even longer or you can't even finish.

Tolmos is 100% correct.

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Hmm sounds like my wait time on FFXI partie wait times, guess duty finder isn't that great after all. Either way with duty finder and the situation you're describing me, doesn't seem like teleporting really has any effect on completing just as much as you would if you didn't teleport. Queue up for the duty, run to an area you wanna go kill at (takes 15mins to get anywhere) that leaves 30mins to do a quest or two or maybe a hunt or something else.

I'm 100% sure if we didn't have as much convenience, the people wouldn't even think twice on HEY WE NEED MORE CONVENIENCE to do one or two extra thing a night. In fact it would expand the mmos lifespan by that much longer.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

Like for an example, FFXI. Where the heck do you go when you first level up to level 12. Beginners have NO idea, I sure as heck had no idea what to do. It forces you to use the community knowledge and forces one another to help each other. This design leaves nothing to the imagination, you know what to expect and where it will take you. Hand holding my friend.

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That is the opposite of good game design. Telling you where to go is not hand-holding. Telling you how to do something is hand-holding. The ambiguity of FFXI was obnoxious more than it was interesting. I had FFXI Wiki open at all times. Everything already took forever, why make it take longer for no reason?

Also, you couldn't do anything while waiting for a PT, because you had to run to the camp spot. People would get mad if you took too long and look for replacements.

FFXIV, I can wait for a duty, farm atma, look for hunts, level my chocobo, all at the same time. Sure, some of these things are less significant than others, but I'm always doing something. If you are actually sitting and waiting for a DF, you are playing like a nincompoop. You are aware you can change jobs while waiting for PF/DF, right? Yet another you can do while waiting! Level up while waiting! You couldn't do that in FFXI for the above reason. If you were leveling in La Theine outside of a PT, put up your flag, but put in your search comment that you were LFP, no one would give a shit. They knew you had to warp back to the moogle, change jobs, teleport to the necessary zone. Run there. A nearly 30 minute process.

Sorry, I like to multitask. And no, I didn't play during Abyssea. So no to any of that business.

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Ha! Look at DF and look at the dungeons now. People queue for them, fight the boss they need, don't get what they want then quit because they do not want to waste all their time. Now imagine if everyone's time was wasted by walking, so that they had even less time for dungeons, the quitters would multiply and the game quality would go way way down.

Teleporting DOES save me a great deal of time.

My game time is is generally broken down like this:

1. Queue for whatever Dungeon I need done that night.
2. Teleport to Ul'dah, make sure my equipment is repaired, update my retainers inventory/armor/venture
3. Teleport to my daily beast quests (I do not do all of these, I do the ones I find most convenient)
4. Teleport to the Central Shroud and work on my atma farming.
5. Farm the fates and keep an eye out for hunts in the area. (I may teleport to another atma area if I get bored in CS)
6. During the fates I usually queue up in DF.
7. If I am lucky run a dungeon in 40 mins.
8. If there is still time do my daily Guildhest or Low Level dungeon. (Low level dungeon is risky at this point due to the time.)
9. Continue Atma Farming.

...and there you have it. That is my general daily to-do list. It changes every now and then if my FC needs help, or I finally have enough seals for a new armor piece. Sometimes I work on crafting and sometimes I switch to CNJ and just play around. Without teleporting I would not be able to do even half of that. It would basically be:

1. Find the closest armor mender
2. Walk to dungeon and wait in queue, unable to stray to far or accomplish much else.
3. ...and you're out of time.

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1. Takes 40mins as you say, that's enought time to walk to 2. and do 3.
4. I'm not saying take away teleports just have restriction on them, so if need be use a teleport there.
5. is tied to 4.
6. Ok... well by now you should already be in a dungeon if you queued it up, though your just trying to add things now, even still queue up again? Even still you have another 40mins do do things like 8. and 9.
7. you just did a dungeon and now doing another.

This world is tiny and doesnt take more than 15mins to run somewhere on the map. Even still not once did I say take away teleporting in this thread(only in title to catch attention). You will still have teleports so, why you fighting on restricting something you will still be able to utilize because you don't play as much as a hardcore player who might not beable to teleport all the time because they play all the time.

There is no choice or consequence in this game, let alone connection to the world. Everywhere you look you lose connection, instances, teleports, teleporting airships, instances, mob zones(where they don't chase you). The npcs talking how dangerous it is out there yet it's super easy to kill everything. This world doesn't connect with itself or to the players.

My point is, even if you couldn't do one or two things from that list a night, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN NOTICE.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

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I feel very connected to my character and the world. Maybe the problem is *gasp* you not actually PLAYING the game. It would be hard to connect to it if I never played it. As it stands now I feel very connected to my character, our accomplishments and the world. This game has got amazing lore. Perhaps you should read up on that if feeling connected to the world is your greatest concern.

Just the other day I found out my chocobo was a male! ALL of our chocobos are male? Who knew!? Details like that (and why they are all males) are what make this game awesome and can connect you to the world, it just takes more effort than perhaps pushing an arrow key until you get to your destination. (How that connects you to the world, rather than just teleporting, I will never understand.)

No one is stopping you from travelling how you choose to, so by all means do not use the teleporting system. It is that simple.

Would you like me to force you to read lore so that you feel as connected as I think you should be?

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This is why I am in favor for " Restricted Teleports".

1) Hardcores that want this sort of thing will be limited to how many times they teleport a day/week etc.
2) Casuals that have only 2-4 hours a day can still teleport as normal because the restriction would be within their limits thus it's like it's not even there.

Meeting half way, but personally I don't mind the system we have now, but I would be in favor with something as this.

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I've played the game, I have multiple level 50's. Also, lore, really? Yoshi already broke this worlds lore that was already established soooo that breaks my immersion even further.

I'm not telling you how to play the game, you would still beable to teleport just like you are just fine, with the restrictions I want you probably wont even be effected, just like I said prior, you wouldn't even notice, so why you still fighting me?