Relic News - 6.45

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

And this is why I treat these things as a business relationship rather than an emotional one. The fact of the matter is we're getting less compared to what we used to - in terms of quality and quantity of things that are actually viable as content.

This relic is unacceptable and an utterly failed experiment. The people who are unironically in support of it or are even demanding the tome requirements be lessened further already had tome weapons they could obtain. There was no need to sacrifice the actual Relic for these people to give them something they were not interested in working towards.

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What matters to you with relics more: how they look or how grindy they are?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I wasn't referring to trying different things within this relic series. I was referring to this relic series being different from past relic series.

ARR/HW - grind specified content that already existed in the game for other purposes.
SB - grind only the new exploratory zone
ShB - grind your choice of the new exploratory zone or specified older content
EW - grind content of your choice

So where did they see the most player satisfaction and participation out of those methods for grinding a relic series?

Is there yet something else they can also try?

As for 1500 tomes being a lot, The Hunt says hi. Astronomy can be earned from any expansion's Rank A and S elite marks, it's not limited to Endwalker elite marks. There were some players who regularly attend hunts that were picking up 2-3 relics/upgrades a day.

Forcing players into the decision about using their tomes for crafting or upgrading crafted gear didn't seem bother to anyone. It was not a complaint that I can remember seeing here in the forums at least.

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I think that's where my disappointment comes in the most, since they're so achievable via hunts. For those who don't care/want to farm out every single relic, you can finish one in a couple hours or so. I just don't find that to be rewarding compared to previous iterations of the relics. It feels like a hand out.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

What matters to you with relics more: how they look or how grindy they are?

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Both but odds are I'd end up glamming over the relic at some point anyway so more towards the latter.

(I know this wasn't directed at me but answering anyway because why not)

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Both but odds are I'd end up glamming over the relic at some point anyway so more towards the latter.

(I know this wasn't directed at me but answering anyway because why not)

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Yea of course, anyone can answer because it's going to be a subjective thing. If you just want a grind to do, anyone can come up with a list of stuff for you to chew through (I'd be willing to create one).

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

And this is why I treat these things as a business relationship rather than an emotional one. The fact of the matter is we're getting less compared to what we used to - in terms of quality and quantity of things that are actually viable as content.

This relic is unacceptable and an utterly failed experiment. The people who are unironically in support of it or are even demanding the tome requirements be lessened further already had tome weapons they could obtain. There was no need to sacrifice the actual Relic for these people to give them something they were not interested in working towards.

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That's all I'm hearing here.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Yea of course, anyone can answer because it's going to be a subjective thing. If you just want a grind to do, anyone can come up with a list of stuff for you to chew through (I'd be willing to create one).

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I mean, I just want something to provide fulfillment to the midcore playerbase. I feel like outside of extremes, there isn't much. For the "casual" side of the game (and I use casual lightly since that term gets some hate but pretty much anyone not willing to do any form of harder content falls into that category) there's RP, MSQ, Variant, Housing, Island Sanctuary, Crafting/Gathering (since it's been gutted to be braindead)...I can go on. The hardcore side of the game has savage, ultimate, criterion, solo grind for deep dungeons, etc. Midcore really only had extremes and the relic grind and now the relic grind is being gutted to fit the "casual" side of the game in terms of making it achievable just by doing your dailies or hunts for an hour or two (it's literally nothing different than going for a tome weapon without the extra mat).

It's just disappointing that there's no real coverage for those that fall in the middle and feels like the game is being taken in a direction where you have to pick a side.

And no need to do that, I'm already working on the pteranodon so I'm set on my long term grind.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Not having a relic day 1 doesnt mean you are chained to the game. But sure, pay a monthly sub just to play other games instead. Do you fanboys even read what you write? Every normal person would realize how insane you guys sound.

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The words of a person who can't comprehend when someone does not agree with them. I see / hear those all the time. I also pay for Switch Online and barely even use my Switch.

The point is that whenever I want to play them, I can simply do so without hassle. Not taking ages to do a relic here, means I can play whatever game I want on my free time, rather than only this one.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

FFXIV excels at one thing only: it’s a social game that’s easier to set up than VRChat and Second Life with just as much player-created content. For many people, this is their first “metaverse” and it’s far more immersive than Discord. The experience is even better when you combine the two.

But it’s obvious that no one here (you included) actually likes the gameplay in this tired old horse of a game. If you did, you’d be upset that Square Enix keeps dropping the ball. But many people (me included) don’t play for the gameplay. So, if you’re not like us, and you’re fine with FFXIV turning into dust…why are YOU here?

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Honestly, I enjoy the game, so no real big complaints here.

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Originally Posted by TowaIsBestGirl

While I'm not accusing you in particular of this, I often find that those who espouse such views as "Well of course I have hangups with and things I don't like about <insert game here>" rarely have anything critical to say or offer potential improvements to show for it or prove the veracity of their words. Something to keep in mind.

I sometimes think Yoshi-P didn't think his words of "taking a break" through when he said them, and those listening took it as gospel or one of the commandments rather than a recommendation. What of those who'd rather not take a break? It's far from a miraculous silver bullet to solve all issues. I feel like some here are less sympathetic to those who find themselves in that position than they ought to be, and what words they do offer tend to be platitudes.

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Even if you arnt pointing at ME specifically, I think this is Short-sighted. Because I have said my Grievances about the game, and have participated in many discussions.
Seems like if you dont match the energy and Completely 100% agree with everyone else, then your opinion matters less if at all, or your just some Shill or YoshiP defender.
Half the time I dont think people really understand what is being said if it doesnt just Parrot exactly what they feel, which I dont think is fair in an open forum, all sides should be heard equally, not just the loudest ones, or the ones that spit venom.

I have always advocated to speak your mind and give criticism. But dont think its healthy to constantly be mad, then continue to stick around and keep giving money.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

And this is why I treat these things as a business relationship rather than an emotional one. The fact of the matter is we're getting less compared to what we used to - in terms of quality and quantity of things that are actually viable as content.

This relic is unacceptable and an utterly failed experiment. The people who are unironically in support of it or are even demanding the tome requirements be lessened further already had tome weapons they could obtain. There was no need to sacrifice the actual Relic for these people to give them something they were not interested in working towards.

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But those current tome weapons require at minimum 3 weeks of tome grinding (due to 450 weekly cap) + 7 weeks of weekly 8 person raids (reduced to 4 later in the patch cycle), so lets not pretend they're as easy as the 2nd tier tome relics

My point: They're not entirely comparable.

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

The words of a person who can't comprehend when someone does not agree with them. I see / hear those all the time. I also pay for Switch Online and barely even use my Switch.

The point is that whenever I want to play them, I can simply do so without hassle. Not taking ages to do a relic here, means I can play whatever game I want on my free time, rather than only this one.

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So you are literally saying that you'd rather play other games than invest time in this game

alright then lmao, the funniest thing is that yall arent even ashamed or anything of what you write, you literally want to invest absolutely 0 time in the game and would rather play other games, and yet the game should be catered to you refusing to play the game and to invest time in it

absolute comedy, you just want a free handout, at least be honest with yourself, you think you are "entitled" to it, even if you dont do anything in the game at all, you somehow are entitled to it because reasons

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Originally Posted by Saraide

What matters to you with relics more: how they look or how grindy they are?

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How they look

I know some did parody people wanting it for no work, but I have no qualms getting it for free.

Shiny new weapon for glamour and it's free? count me in.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

So you are literally saying that you'd rather play other games than invest time in this game

alright then lmao, the funniest thing is that yall arent even ashamed or anything of what you write, you literally want to invest absolutely 0 time in the game and would rather play other games, and yet the game should be catered to you refusing to play the game and to invest time in it

absolute comedy, you just want a free handout, at least be honest with yourself, you think you are "entitled" to it, even if you dont do anything in the game at all, you somehow are entitled to it because reasons

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Well. So much for "6.45's relic step will be the real grind!" congrats to those who'd rather farm tomestones instead of having actual relic content like Delubrum Reginae or Exploratory Zones that gave other rewards to grind for and things to do.

It's clear to me that those of us who wanted a more involved process are not simply not being listened to, but actively ignored.

Enjoy your Manderville Relics - if they can even be called relics at this point.

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They are not relics just a free weapon you get .
This way to lame

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

So you are literally saying that you'd rather play other games than invest time in this game

alright then lmao, the funniest thing is that yall arent even ashamed or anything of what you write, you literally want to invest absolutely 0 time in the game and would rather play other games, and yet the game should be catered to you refusing to play the game and to invest time in it

absolute comedy, you just want a free handout, at least be honest with yourself, you think you are "entitled" to it, even if you dont do anything in the game at all, you somehow are entitled to it because reasons

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Speaking perfectly honestly I would rather this game cater to those of us who actually want to play it. Even if that means it's not as big without all the things done to bend to the whims of the crowd that wants to somehow remove more effort from this and other forms of content. They seriously picked the wrong people to try and cater to, I wanted a video game not a visual novel.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

True but lets be real. It was the ONLY lasting content in the entirety of Shallowbringers.

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While Criteons are dead EVEN DURING ITS EXPANSION and Island Sancuary... Is 2 minute daily contnet.

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Originally Posted by Remish

It's also really hard to go back now and complete some of it alone.

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Only things like Castrum and Dalriada to be honest. Which is fine to be honest. People forget, that this game is an MMORPG which wants you to socialize with other people. And as you can do both in 2, preferably in 4 people, I never had a problem getting them in PF or instance to do both when I felt like doing them.

Delubrum have 8 man runs in PF for relic all the time.

The rest of Bozja content is soloable pretty easily. The instance scalling is crazy and I miss doing 1 mil crits with assize back in ShB doing solo CE. Just dont be scared trying your lost actions. They give you massive damage boost, or surviability. And you can always use shout chat and somebody can help you. I would give it a go and maybe you even find more friends that way. I sure did.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

But this is what I meant with these exploratory zones. They arent future proof and you heavily have to rely on a discord to being able to complete its endgame content. This is why I say Eureka and Bozja were failures

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Dunno chief. Calling a content, that is run to this day pretty often (Dont know about NA DC, but we at EU run these pretty regullary. Savage Delubrum around twice a week too), still have plenty of rewards for people who dont have them, profitable for those doing them as a lot of stuff is sellable... a failure? Compared to Endwalker content? That seems weird to me.

Only thing I loved in Endwalker is, how they made PvP more casual-friendly and the pass system is amazing. Even tho i miss Feast, making it more fun for the whole audience was great idea. Also love they are bringing back the championship. But sadly, I just cant say more about the rest of the content.

Also, for those who always accusse others of being a "complainers" and "spending time on forums too much"... They do, because they care about the game. They want to have a more reasons to stay in the game, but they dont, so they spend their sub time on the forums arguing with people, who thinks their opinion about how is the game doing great worth more, than any others (and vice versa).

So just listen to what you write. If you write to a complainer, who isnt happy, that the game is doing perfectly and you have still things to do... Why should they care about you. They dont. They have reasons why they are not happy with the game and want it better. They share their opinions and are scared about state of their favourite parts of the game... until they leave for good for not being listened to.

If you still enjoy the game and have no complaints.... Thats amazing! We are happy for you! Like, seriously. but thats not anti-argument to someone, who isnt enjoying themselfs that much.

"everything is perfect and you all are just complainers. You dont need more" - I will see many rolling eyes over what Im gonna say, but I heard same things back when our country had communism and we didnt even had rights to travel abroad, as "we didnt needed to". We didnt had many basic rights ofc, but thats not my current point. I know this is extreme to say, but it just gives me same vibes. I know that this is just a game, not goverment regime and I can leave the game any time I want... but I dont want to. I still love this game and is currently only MMORPG I can enjoy. Maybe it is because of me, but somehow, I expected more out of this expansion we hyped so much. So telling me to leave FF14 to me, feels same, as people back in the day telling me to leave my country I loved. I dont want to. I have people I care about in this game that I dont share other games with.

Do I take breaks? Yes. Do I play every day? No. but currently, my sub money doesnt really provide me with enough enjoyement. "Then unsub" - Cant, as sometimes I do content like BA/DRS/PvP events etc I want to participate in and its just not worth unsubbing with the hassle of mogstation. Also, I still care about my housing.

tl;dr: People complaining should be more chill, but on the other hand, people dissmissings their opinions/fears/feels are as bad as trolls and should be just ignored.

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

I also pay for Switch Online and barely even use my Switch.

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This is what we call bad money management and is not the great counter point you think it is XD. You really shouldn't be paying for subscriptions you don't use. People do this all the time with things like Netflix, Amazon prime, game subs, etc. etc. It's your life to live and your money to spend, but it's not smart and shouldn't be used as an argument.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

And this is why I treat these things as a business relationship rather than an emotional one. The fact of the matter is we're getting less compared to what we used to - in terms of quality and quantity of things that are actually viable as content.

This relic is unacceptable and an utterly failed experiment. The people who are unironically in support of it or are even demanding the tome requirements be lessened further already had tome weapons they could obtain. There was no need to sacrifice the actual Relic for these people to give them something they were not interested in working towards.

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Savage weapons are already better than relics before relics can catch up to that stage, and are better for 80% of the expansion, and are only better at the end with mariginal substat increase

relics never really mattered outside glam , and with how garbage and tedious it is to gear alt classes as is, thats all relics ever really needed to be, filler.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Speaking perfectly honestly I would rather this game cater to those of us who actually want to play it

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This is how I feel as well, though I know full well the reality of the situation.

The thing with relic progression as is for me is: Im gonna do one for the Hildy story and maybe another 2-3 for ultimate stuff. Im gonna do the rest of them in next expansion, when they become doable via poetics. But so far, I dont like their design that much, they dont have substat selectable stage yet and have no grind (which would make zones more lively, worth doing them rn). Im just turning my tomes into money, so spending them on relics is little useless for me rn.

But hey. At least in next expansion, I will have new poetic sink while leveling.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Speaking perfectly honestly I would rather this game cater to those of us who actually want to play it.

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Extremely sad that this is the only game in the world probably where people unironically use the excuse that "it gives them the time to play other games because they don't have to play this one" as a reason for why the game is good. Literally = The game is good because I don't have to play it. WTF, then don't, and let us get a game some of us do want to play.

It's like they get off on taking away things others like to do and laughing in their face when they've destroyed it. Which sadly, is a very common human behavior.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

If you're paying your sub just to complain on the forums then fun fact, you're paying for a less useful twitter. I can't think of a bigger waste of money then keeping a sub going just to use the forum. Again I'll say, submit feedback all you like, but at the end of the day the only real vote you have as a consumer is your wallet. I'm sorry if that's not a useful answer for you.

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Who said I was? Nowhere in my response did I even insinuate my sole motivation for remaining subscribed was simply to complain on the OF. In fact, this assumption gets thrown away a bit too liberally as a rebuttal. People can still enjoy aspects of the game while being critical. Speaking for myself now, I still enjoy raiding enough to have two separate characters; three if you include my split clear character. Ironically, it's everyone's favourite website that gives Savage longevity but that's where I find my fun. Which isn't to say I don't enjoy other content like crafting, mount farming and whatnot. I dabbled or actively play just about every piece of content. The problem is there still isn't nearly enough with any longevity. Once again, a third party website gives raiding more relevance than SE does. Now if Criterion had better rewards, you could argue that helps. Alas, it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

True, we could have gotten it without it being tied to the relic. And yet I like this relic more because it's tied to it.

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Good for you? A good many don't. Hence the backlash. The difference is in the hypothetical scenario where you still get Hildibrand but the relic has actual depth to its progression both subs of players get something to do instead of just you.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

How stupid, you realize the devs also look in the general feedback of other media outlets besides the forums right? They're not going to just look at what people shout here because you'd be focusing on a single echo chamber. This is an MMO with lots of avenues for expression so you saying that "I have to pay for a sub in order to submit feedback" is just...ridiculous. You can provide feedback anywhere and its very much also effective to do so in a place that garner's a lot of traction if you find the right post/thread or whatever.

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While yes, they look at other outlets for feedback and opinions, the forums is their primary go to. Yoshida outright says as much; asking players to comment on the OF whenever they have concerns or feedback. That doesn't mean they're combing through each and every post nor did I assert as much anywhere in my response. They certainly aren't scouring through reddit or fan made websites. Outside of these forums, they'll occasionally listen to influencers who often share similar opinions to what's being echoed here. How do we know this? Look at nearly any major source of contention amongst the playerbase and when it was either acknowledged or solved.

Healer complaints were ablaze for years yet only when a near 300 liked thread was made on the OF did it get acknowledged in the actual Q&A. Only for Yoshida to dismissively say, "Go play Ultimate" after the question was poorly translated. They actually had the nerve to say they weren't getting enough feedback on ping issues regarding Hypercharge and Blood Weapon to feel it was a concern despite damn near hundreds of threads, comments and YouTube videos bemoaning how awful both skills were since Shadowbringers. Funny enough, when both NA and JP players flooded the Q&A thread criticising both abilities, they walked that statement back. Machinist still had to wait a whole two patches but their constant complaining on this forum is what got them noticed.

And those are just two examples from this expansion alone where they outright admitted to not knowing issues players had (or straight up not acknowledging them) until they were brought to the forums. There's a reason Sfia made a thread about Endgame gearing here rather then post on reddit or make a video despite being a streamer. That very conversation has been had several times pretty much everywhere. It's widely been a hot button topic that gear progression takes forever in this game. It's gone completely unacknowledged so he came to the forums... just Yoshida says to do with feedback. Now whether they ever listen to the criticism on loot is another matter entirely but they certainly weren't going to notice on Reddit.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Who said I was? Nowhere in my response did I even insinuate my sole motivation for remaining subscribed was simply to complain on the OF. In fact, this assumption gets thrown away a bit too liberally as a rebuttal. People can still enjoy aspects of the game while being critical. Speaking for myself now, I still enjoy raiding enough to have two separate characters; three if you include my split clear character. Ironically, it's everyone's favourite website that gives Savage longevity but that's where I find my fun. Which isn't to say I don't enjoy other content like crafting, mount farming and whatnot. I dabbled or actively play just about every piece of content. The problem is there still isn't nearly enough with any longevity. Once again, a third party website gives raiding more relevance than SE does. Now if Criterion had better rewards, you could argue that helps. Alas, it doesn't.

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Great so you have content that you like doing. I'm honestly not seeing the problem. Even the one you pointed out of longevity. All content in this game has an end point. Are you upset that you reached it? Why? What's the point of trying to achieve something if you never get to the achievement part? Also if your ability to use the forums is not a reason to be subbed then it's an irrelevant thing to bring up at all. I like using the forums, but my sole focus for my sub is the game. I stand by what I said. If you pay your sub for forum use, that's an enormous waste of money. If you don't do that then you brought up something that doesn't matter for....reasons?

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Good for you? A good many don't. Hence the backlash. The difference is in the hypothetical scenario where you still get Hildibrand but the relic has actual depth to its progression both subs of players get something to do instead of just you.

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You realize there's a lot of people that do actually like the way the relics work in this expansion right? You realize there's a lot of people that didn't like the way it worked in previous expansions right? Am I not allowed to be happy that the content for relics is something that I actually enjoy? Assuming you liked Bozja and Eureka then you got 2 expansions that appealed to you. Why is it suddenly a problem that it now appeals to a different aspect of the player-base?

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Originally Posted by Xirean

All content in this game has an end point

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And thats when we should get.... please drum roll... new content. Whoah!

Also. I dont get your reasoning, that if a person enjoys one side of the game... cant really complain about other sides? Huh?

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

And thats when we should get.... please drum roll... new content. Whoah!

Also. I dont get your reasoning, that if a person enjoys one side of the game... cant really complain about other sides? Huh?

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When did I say something about people not being allowed to complain? Submit all the feedback you want. But if you're going to post on a public forum, don't be surprised when people respond.

As for the topic of getting new content, we do. Consistently. It might not be at fast pace but we do get new content. All of it might not be of interest to you which is why my go to suggestion is to play what does appeal to you then when you get bored, take a break. I have no interest in pvp, savage, or ultimates. If one was released that suddenly did appeal to me then I'd be happy and play it, otherwise I ignore it. I'm genuinely not sure of the issue here.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

When did I say something about people not being allowed to complain? Submit all the feedback you want. But if you're going to post on a public forum, don't be surprised when people respond.

As for the topic of getting new content, we do. Consistently. It might not be at fast pace but we do get new content. All of it might not be of interest to you which is why my go to suggestion is to play what does appeal to you then when you get bored, take a break. I have no interest in pvp, savage, or ultimates. If one was released that suddenly did appeal to me then I'd be happy and play it, otherwise I ignore it. I'm genuinely not sure of the issue here.

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Your responses so far were "Dont complain/Unsub/there is no problem to be found". Those are not discussion adding responses. People are not surprised by responses, but... how blant they are. By this point, you are just a troll, thats not worth a discussion about. Some of your post you are even contradicting yourself in the same sentence. I dont get you. Are you seriously trying to somehow make people, who are not happy with the game... happy by saying, there is no problem? Are you type of person, who tells "be happy" to someone with depressions? It looks like that. Just answer me, what are you trying to archieve by your comments.

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

Your responses so far were "Dont complain/Unsub/there is no problem to be found". Those are not discussion adding responses. People are not surprised by responses, but... how blant they are. By this point, you are just a troll, thats not worth a discussion about. Some of your post you are even contradicting yourself in the same sentence. I dont get you. Are you seriously trying to somehow make people, who are not happy with the game... happy by saying, there is no problem? Are you type of person, who tells "be happy" to someone with depressions? It looks like that. Just answer me, what are you trying to archieve by your comments.

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Well, given how that commentary would best apply precisely to you, I'm not sure how anyone can see you as anything but a troll and your attempt at commentary as anything but bait.

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Well, given how that commentary would best apply precisely to you, I'm not sure how anyone can see you as anything but a troll and your attempt at commentary as anything but bait.

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And you are one the biggest white knights on this forum, always ready to defend this game from any sort of criticism.

That perfectly applies to you too : )

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

Your responses so far were "Dont complain/Unsub/there is no problem to be found". Those are not discussion adding responses. People are not surprised by responses, but... how blant they are. By this point, you are just a troll, thats not worth a discussion about. Some of your post you are even contradicting yourself in the same sentence. I dont get you. Are you seriously trying to somehow make people, who are not happy with the game... happy by saying, there is no problem? Are you type of person, who tells "be happy" to someone with depressions? It looks like that. Just answer me, what are you trying to archieve by your comments.

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My responses have never been "don't complain" or "there is no problem to be found". I've consistently said that if you want to give feedback, then do so. I've also stated that I don't see the problem. That's not saying there isn't one, but rather that what is being labeled a "problem" I don't see as a problem. I do stand by the "unsub" advice though. If you're not having fun with a luxury product then you shouldn't continue to pay for it. I really don't understand why so many people seem to be allergic to that simple concept.

Also if you think I'm contradicting myself in the same sentence then please site it.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

I do stand by the "unsub" advice though. If you're not having fun with a luxury product then you shouldn't continue to pay for it. I really don't understand why so many people seem to be allergic to that simple concept.

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Because you and just about everyone else tossing out that tidbit of "advice" on the forums are doing so despite being fully aware that most people willing to criticize the game still have a vested interest in it. In other words, it's an exceedingly disingenuous way of trying to silence criticism from behind the veil of, "well, it's okay to quit if you're not having fun," regardless of whether or not people still have aspects of the game they enjoy. Which, fairly obviously they do if they're still subbed. You can play a product with a significant number of components you no longer enjoy and still find some joy in it.

Some people don't like the direction the game is going, and those people probably will quit once it reaches a point where the things they still enjoy have been taken away from them. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Because you and just about everyone else tossing out that tidbit of "advice" on the forums are doing so despite being fully aware that most people willing to criticize the game still have a vested interest in it. In other words, it's an exceedingly disingenuous way of trying to silence criticism from behind the veil of, "well, it's okay to quit if you're not having fun," regardless of whether or not people still have aspects of the game they enjoy. Which, fairly obviously they do if they're still subbed. You can play a product with a significant number of components you no longer enjoy and still find some joy in it.

Some people don't like the direction the game is going, and those people probably will quit once it reaches a point where the things they still enjoy have been taken away from them. Simple as that.

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This is literally it, I dont know how many time it has to be repeated, you can criticize this game and still like some aspects of it and enjoy some aspects of it, but still want certain things to get better, it aint rocket science

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Because you and just about everyone else tossing out that tidbit of "advice" on the forums are doing so despite being fully aware that most people willing to criticize the game still have a vested interest in it. In other words, it's an exceedingly disingenuous way of trying to silence criticism from behind the veil of, "well, it's okay to quit if you're not having fun," regardless of whether or not people still have aspects of the game they enjoy. Which, fairly obviously they do if they're still subbed. You can play a product with a significant number of components you no longer enjoy and still find some joy in it.

Some people don't like the direction the game is going, and those people probably will quit once it reaches a point where the things they still enjoy have been taken away from them. Simple as that.

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I'm well aware that people can find faults in a product and still consume it. That's not a foreign concept. There's plenty of things I could criticize about XIV for example and I have done so in other threads. Content drought is a bit different imo. The people whom I see that receive the response of "take a break"/"unsub" are usually complaining about having nothing to do in the game. If you having nothing to do, what else is there other than taking a break? I've taken multiple breaks because I couldn't find anything that appealed to me at the time. Came back later when I did. If you think I'm trying to silence criticism then you're completely wrong. If you think I'm being disingenuous then you're also completely wrong. I honestly believe taking a break is the best thing to do if you are feeling burnt out or have no activities in the game at the moment. This veil you are referring to feels made up to me.

If only they actually could unsub without becoming homeless and getting back very little of what they put into their house.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

When did I say something about people not being allowed to complain? Submit all the feedback you want. But if you're going to post on a public forum, don't be surprised when people respond.

As for the topic of getting new content, we do. Consistently. It might not be at fast pace but we do get new content. All of it might not be of interest to you which is why my go to suggestion is to play what does appeal to you then when you get bored, take a break. I have no interest in pvp, savage, or ultimates. If one was released that suddenly did appeal to me then I'd be happy and play it, otherwise I ignore it. I'm genuinely not sure of the issue here.

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The non-PvP, Savage and Ultimate content we've gotten thus far has been extremely milquetoast and lukewarm at best. Say what you will about Bozja and Eureka, and maybe they're no longer kicking around now as much as they were back then but even still they lasted longer than the likes of Criterion and Variant Dungeons have thus far. Just like those two, once you're finished with Eureka Orthos you're literally done with it. This is what people are criticizing, not the amount of content but the longevity of it.

I can only speak for myself of course, but I understand where some other posters' irritation is coming from. Personally? I don't want to unsub and take a break, I want more to do. The usual advice of forumgoers around here is extremely unhelpful at best, I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Yea of course, anyone can answer because it's going to be a subjective thing. If you just want a grind to do, anyone can come up with a list of stuff for you to chew through (I'd be willing to create one).

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I preferred Bozja and Eureka because they came with a story. I'd already experienced Hildibrand, so these relics offer precious little in comparison to Bozja and Eureka insofar as story is concerned. Also, there were cool mounts and glams attached to those zones like Proto-Ozma and the Law's Order sets. Part of the appeal of acquiring those glams and mounts was that I actually had to work towards it as well, finally getting that rad glam I wished for felt like an actual achievement. Not to mention Auracite lore and the Queen was really cool imo.

So, at least for me, I'd very much prefer an irritating grind for Relics due to all the extra bells and whistles that came with. The journey is worth the destination to me, Endwalker's content so far has not managed to capture that same mystique in that regard.

I feel like a lot of players forget that the change in Relic acquisition affects casuals and midcore players just as much as it does the more involved raiders. I'm not a raider, and yet I still developed a fondness for Bozja/CLL/DR and the Eureka zones.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

I do stand by the "unsub" advice though. If you're not having fun with a luxury product then you shouldn't continue to pay for it.

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Fully agreed. More people should consider unsubscribing given that it's our only means of recourse.

As a side note, FFXIV is the only major consumer product that actively encourages people to avoid it. And we all like that, right? I think FFXIV is the anti-consumerist message we all need to hear in 2023. Consume less, spend less. Nowhere else would they allow people to actively campaign against a company's products, but this is FFXIV where that's considered a virtue. Let's hope that Square Enix takes the hint and takes the game offline, effectively making everyone unsubscribe so they can play other games (just like Yoshida wants).

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

If only they actually could unsub without becoming homeless and getting back very little of what they put into their house.

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Just another reason why Island Sanctuary should be our personal housing. Because with that, this would no longer be a problem.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Just another reason why Island Sanctuary should be our personal housing. Because with that, this would no longer be a problem.

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Sure, make island sanctuary instanced housing and remove auto demo permanently, sounds like a good plan to me, then people will stop trying to ruin housing for us people that do housing as a main activity and love it for what it is, and also want it to keep some sort of uniqueness.

I'mma be real. I might actually play again if they were to get fully functional housing on the Island Sanctuary, simply so I could turn the place into some kind of discount Castlevania subsequent to losing the last bit of interest I had left and departing for the final time.

Now why would they remove auto demo when IS being instanced housing means that you no longer need the house in the housing ward?

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I'mma be real. I might actually play again if they were to get fully functional housing on the Island Sanctuary, simply so I could turn the place into some kind of discount Castlevania subsequent to losing the last bit of interest I had left and departing for the final time.

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I'd totally visit your place if you could make it feel like Castlevania.