Open World PvP

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

He is just trying to be edgy I think, like a teenager swearing in public and stuff

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I didn’t know being edgy was associated with being able to give out facts...In that case no wonder a majority of the community doesn’t like being edgy :D

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

well then to be precise... which portion of the FFXIV community not in favour of open world pvp did you mean... exactly?

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The people very vocally shouting down any request touching on the areas I mentioned, of which there is an abundance of examples one can survey by simply reviewing threads on those topics. Not really hard to grasp, now is it? No idea why you'd think I meant the PVE community, either.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

He is just trying to be edgy I think, like a teenager swearing in public and stuff

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Try think a little harder, then. It's more that I find that portion of the community's stance to this game to be a big reason why it's so stuck in the mud and insipid.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

He is just trying to be edgy I think, like a teenager swearing in public and stuff

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He's significantly more mature than the vast majority of naysayers in this thread.

Once again the FFXIV players supposedly so concerned with 'toxicity' prove to be among the first to resort to personal attacks and attempted character assassination of individuals they do not know in the slightest.

What if I told y'all that this forum is the open world PvP ?

Subarashii.
Sorry, I don't know why this keeps happening.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I didn’t know being edgy was associated with being able to give out facts...In that case no wonder a majority of the community doesn’t like being edgy :D

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You might have to point out what he said that was factual, I saw lots of opinions myself

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Try think a little harder, then. It's more that I find that portion of the community's stance to this game to be a big reason why it's so stuck in the mud and insipid.

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Oh right, probably why the game has gone from strength to strength and is still growing, breaking the standard MMO mould of growth, because it's stuck in the mud and insipid. Hot take that

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Originally Posted by Theodric

He's significantly more mature than the vast majority of naysayers in this thread.

Once again the FFXIV players supposedly so concerned with 'toxicity' prove to be among the first to resort to personal attacks and attempted character assassination of individuals they do not know in the slightest.

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You have got to be kidding with this, he throws out a barrage of insults against the player base because people don't agree with him, then blurts out the classic, and already boring gcbtw meme and you think my little comment is the example of toxicity? Get real.

I mean most people just afk in Limsa, so I don't think enough people would engage in open world pvp for it to warrant any dev time. Also, in the few times that I do venture out into the open world to gather I don't want to worry about randoms coming up and killing me. My bot axe doesn't deal much damage.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

What if I told y'all that this forum is the open world PvP ?

Subarashii.
Sorry, I don't know why this keeps happening.

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I'd believe it lol.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

Oh right, probably why the game has gone from strength to strength and is still growing, breaking the standard MMO mould of growth, because it's stuck in the mud and insipid. Hot take that
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Is that why we’re missing so much content this expansion?While also having constant content downgrades compared to last expansion...

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

You have got to be kidding with this, he throws out a barrage of insults against the player base because people don't agree with him, then blurts out the classic, and already boring gcbtw meme and you think my little comment is the example of toxicity? Get real.

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He did no such thing, though it's pretty clear to me that there's little reasoning with certain posters at this point. I also happen to know him both in-game and the real world, so I daresay I'm a far better judge of his character and intent than someone who has read a handful of his forum posts and chosen to attribute them entirely to false premises.

Personally I don't see much point in getting up in arms over a meme, either. Some people find them funny, others don't. I think that the prudent course would be to shrug and move on instead of trying to actively tarnish someone's reputation by misconstruing their contributions to a thread.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Is that why we’re missing so much content this expansion?While also having constant content downgrades compared to last expansion...

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just my opinion, but putting out anything in the face of the restrictions imposed by a GLOBAL REAL WORLD HEALTH EVENT may have had an influence of that.

I guess things may have been different in your country though so you have far higher expectations

Open world PvP would be cool but it wouldn't work with flying.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

just my opinion, but putting out anything in the face of the restrictions imposed by a GLOBAL REAL WORLD HEALTH EVENT may have had an influence of that.

I guess things may have been different in your country though so you have far higher expectations

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The reduction in content was setting in before Covid-19 was even a thing, though. Certainly, it didn't help matters - though it is in itself not the direct cause of the arguable lack of fresh and meaningful content. One could also argue that the game is doing so well because the MMO market as a whole is in a pretty stagnant place right now and it just so happens that FFXIV is slightly better than what is offered by the competition at the moment.

It's also worth noting that people criticising the game often do not do so because they loathe it. They do so because they enjoy it and do not want to see it go down the same path that has led so many of its competitors astray.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

just my opinion, but putting out anything in the face of the restrictions imposed by a GLOBAL REAL WORLD HEALTH EVENT may have had an influence of that.

I guess things may have been different in your country though so you have far higher expectations

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Um....we were missing content long before covid was a thing sweetie. Hate when people use that excuse when we were already very clearly missing things before it was a thing like...you’re gonna blame it on the pandemic that didn’t even exist yet?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Is that why we’re missing so much content this expansion?While also having constant content downgrades compared to last expansion...

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No, that's probably the global pandemic, you might have heard of it. With everyone working from home, and some working from a hospital bed it's kind of inevitable. The player base however is growing very nicely.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

He did no such thing, though it's pretty clear to me that there's little reasoning with certain posters at this point. I also happen to know him both in-game and the real world, so I daresay I'm a far better judge of his character and intent than someone who has read a handful of his forum posts and chosen to attribute them entirely to false premises.

Personally I don't see much point in getting up in arms over a meme, either. Some people find them funny, others don't. I think that the prudent course would be to shrug and move on instead of trying to actively tarnish someone's reputation by misconstruing their contributions to a thread.

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Right..... so you don't think this was meant to be insulting then..... ok

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Originally Posted by Lauront

The most they seem able to handle is uwu sugoi catboi twinkle-eyes. Whether it is the story and even allowing for the possibility of character deaths, darker job concepts, content that a certain portion of this community disdains, such as open world PVP apparently, unfortunately the more vocal components of this game's community are very set in their ways and would probably see it turned into a visual novel if they could.

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Also, nobody has even been insulting in this thread really, up until now. It's jsut people who disagree with you giving their reasons for it. Don't be such a wallflower. If you want to go on about in-game toxicity I would say taking joy in,

Killing noobs,
ruining weddings,
ruining funerals,
trolling gatherers,
attacking low level players,
raiding towns,
etc...

Is far worse, and all have been suggested as perfectly fine and dandy ways to enjoy yourself.

The opposition to PvP has not even been on the same scale as the people who have put up arguments wanting it and why.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

Right..... so you don't think this was meant to be insulting then..... ok

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That's correct. I also don't believe that his assessment is wrong, given that a very vocal portion of the community is arguably preventing the game itself from having any real stakes or consequences in the story.

You might have missed how this very thread had a fair few posts arguing over that very line of reasoning in an attempt to shut down the idea of open world PvP.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

Also, nobody has even been insulting in this thread really, up until now.

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You must have missed the post where someone outright accused another poster of being a sociopath, then - which is a pretty horrid accusation to throw at someone over a video game of all things.

I'm also disinclined to attribute some of the more vocal opposition to this thread's premise as mere disagreements. I've been posting on this forum for years now and I've noticed a steady trend where there exists a very vocal portion of the FFXIV community that seeks to dismantle any and all suggestions to the game even if the proposal is based around something entirely optional that would not require their interaction in any conceivable way.

The individuals who do not wish to engage in open world PvP would not be forced to partake of it - leaving it to foster it's own micro-community of enthusiasts in a manner similar to the micro-communities that have popped up around A and S rank hunts. I'd also argue BLU qualifies as similarly niche content. Some people like it, others don't - but much like high stakes PvP, there's a niche for it...as this very thread proves even though it is in itself only a very narrow portion of the overall FFXIV community.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

That's correct. I don't believe that his assessment is wrong, given that a very vocal portion of the community is arguably preventing the game itself from having any real stakes or consequences in the story.

You might have missed how this very thread had a fair few posts arguing over that very line of reasoning in an attempt to shut down the idea of open world PvP.

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It doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, it was still written to be condescending and insulting. I don't buy the lore argument either, for what it's worth. I think the technical problems open world PvP would cause are far bigger concerns and in this game, at this stage of it's life cycle, diametrically opposed to workable PvP. They could be fixed, sure. But it would take far more resources than it deserves and would change the feel of the game dramatically.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

You must have missed the post where someone outright accused another poster of being a sociopath, then - which is a pretty horrid accusation to throw at someone over a video game of all things.

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It was a joke.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

It was a joke.

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On what basis? Do you happen to know the poster in question and his intent or are you merely speculating it to be as such?

Personally I'd consider the use of a meme to be far more in line with a joke than outright calling someone a sociopath but each to their own, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

That's correct. I also don't believe that his assessment is wrong, given that a very vocal portion of the community is arguably preventing the game itself from having any real stakes or consequences in the story.

You might have missed how this very thread had a fair few posts arguing over that very line of reasoning in an attempt to shut down the idea of open world PvP.



You must have missed the post where someone outright accused another poster of being a sociopath, then - which is a pretty horrid accusation to throw at someone over a video game of all things.

I'm also disinclined to attribute some of the more vocal opposition to this thread's premise as mere disagreements. I've been posting on this forum for years now and I've noticed a steady trend where there exists a very vocal portion of the FFXIV community that seeks to dismantle any and all suggestions to the game even if the proposal is based around something entirely optional that would not require their interaction in any conceivable way.

The individuals who do not wish to engage in open world PvP would not be forced to partake of it - leaving it to foster it's own micro-community of enthusiasts in a manner similar to the micro-communities that have popped up around A and S rank hunts. I'd also argue BLU qualifies as similarly niche content. Some people like it, others don't - but much like high stakes PvP, there's a niche for it...as this very thread proves even though it is in itself only a very narrow portion of the overall FFXIV community.

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The OP's post has 8 likes. probably from the die-hard pvp fans in this thread. That's not much interest really.

plus, it sounds like they want the ability to attack people who dont care for pvp at all.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

On what basis? Do you happen to know the poster in question and his intent or are you merely speculating it to be as such?

Personally I'd consider the use of a meme to be far more in line with a joke than outright calling someone a sociopath but each to their own, I suppose.

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On the basis that it was obviously a joke. I know neither poster personally but it was hardly a well fleshed out psychological diagnosis was it? You might not have found it funny, fine, but don't try to make it out to be more than it was. I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this, it wasn't my comment so I don't have to defend it. I just saw it as a joke, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

On the basis that it was obviously a joke. I know neither poster personally but it was hardly a well fleshed out psychological diagnosis was it? You might not have found it funny, fine, but don't try to make it out to be more than it was. I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this, it wasn't my comment so I don't have to defend it. I just saw it as a joke, that's all.

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In other words, you're willing to give someone who resorts to targeted insults a free pass due to the assumption that it is supposedly just a joke but are entirely unwilling to give someone else the benefit of the doubt when they poke fun with a meme at the expense of a vocal portion of the player base with no specific individuals singled out? is that correct or am I missing something here?

I don't want to outright assume that this is a case of moving goalposts, but I'm admittedly struggling to see it as anything but that at this point...

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

On the basis that it was obviously a joke. I know neither poster personally but it was hardly a well fleshed out psychological diagnosis was it? You might not have found it funny, fine, but don't try to make it out to be more than it was. I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this, it wasn't my comment so I don't have to defend it. I just saw it as a joke, that's all.

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Yeah and we see what Lauront said as just memeing and a joke. But you say it's an insult.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

No, that's probably the global pandemic, you might have heard of it. With everyone working from home, and some working from a hospital bed it's kind of inevitable. The player base however is growing very nicely.

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Read my other post. There was loads of content missing long before covid was a thing. Nice try using it as an excuse though.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

In other words, you're willing to give someone who resorts to targeted insults a free pass due to the assumption that it is supposedly just a joke but are entirely unwilling to give someone else the benefit of the doubt when they poke fun with a meme at the expense of a vocal portion of the player base with no specific individuals singled out? is that correct or am I missing something here?

I don't want to outright assume that this is a case of moving goalposts, but I'm admittedly struggling to see it as anything but that at this point...

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I'm not moving goalposts because I'm not offended by either, I fired a very tame shot back and you got your knickers in a twist. I'm not the offended person here, you are.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Read my other post. There was loads of content missing long before covid was a thing. Nice try using it as an excuse though.

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Cool, and you think the solution to this is to give the developers a huge extra work load for a feature hardly anyone else wants?

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Originally Posted by Delis

Yeah and we see what Lauront said as just memeing and a joke. But you say it's an insult.

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This whole side of the argument started because I fired back, with a very tame joke. I wasn't offended by what he said, I just pointed out it wasn't exactly the wholesome brady bunch stuff people are making it out to be.

There's clearly more opposed to it than in favor of it. As it stands now, XIV's PvP is incredibly simplistic in the name of "balance," but still manages to flounder in that regard. Their current PvP gets so little attention and work put into it, that I'm already skeptical of whatever else they supposedly came up with that's intended to replace Feast. Beyond that, I suspect there will be another long lull of nothing for PvP (as they do whenever they release a new Frontlines map/mode); they've gone from like 3, to 2, to just 1 PvP gear set per expansion.

Not that I can blame them for wanting to move away from it. I've seen enough of the Live Letters on Twitch or whatever to see how a majority of the playerbase feels about their PvP; every time a slide with PvP even mentioned shows up, the chatbox is unceremoniously spammed with apathetic-looking emotes (I think it's referred to as "I sleep?," might have changed now). Their PvP is also so highly reliant on players fighting as a pack; I have a hard time imagining how rewarding it would feel to always have to travel as a group. It's bad enough trying to herd cats teams in Frontlines to accomplish anything.

Netcode, balance, and lack of rewards (and development time) aside, I theorize that a big problem with their PvP is that they design it with JP in mind, not NA/EU players. There's a stark contrast with how JP behave in Frontlines and how NA/EU want to behave. As a result, it's largely a more frustrating experience and not to the liking of majority of the players here.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

I'm not moving goalposts because I'm not offended by either, I fired a very tame shot back and you got your knickers in a twist. I'm not the offended person here, you are.

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I disagree. I don't think that is what happened at all and that this is indeed a case of moving goalposts. I'm also not 'offended', though I suppose the suggestion is in itself another example of certain posters attributing false intent to other forum participants.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

There's clearly more opposed to it than in favor of it.

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This forum is in itself not a good representation of the wants of the playerbase as a whole, to say nothing of the fact that the original post would perhaps be better served being moved over to the PvP sub-forum. Still, eight likes is a respectable amount given that the thread hasn't even been up for an entire twenty four hour period yet. We also know that the development team are not at all opposed to putting niche content out there for players to engage with.

OP: I want open PVP so I can kill people I disagree with and kill unsuspecting players who are trying to progress the game in one way or another, creating a new threat to anything you do in the open world.

Most anti open-PVP: No that sounds horrible and not like the game we've enjoyed for howevermany years.

PVP "activists" : YOU HATE PVP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT AND/OR ARE SOFT!


..seems to be the last 10 pages.

OP wants PVP to specifically get "revenge" or "punish" people they disagree with.

if we were all against PVP so much we wouldn't be playing a game with (admittedly really bad) PVP in it in any way.
I have played the PVP games, I enjoy PVP in the right context. The right context being voluntary engagement and participation.

All the things I personally would accept for PVP: Flagging to initiate, having it's own server, very limited area, do not work for what OP wants because the people they wish to kill won't be there or will be prepared to defend themselves or will be untargetable.


Is that clear enough a position or are we strawmanning the everliving heck out of everyone who's posted in this thread still?

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

I'm not moving goalposts because I'm not offended by either, I fired a very tame shot back and you got your knickers in a twist. I'm not the offended person here, you are.
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Clearly you’re offended in some capacity. You went to the lengths of lying and saying he was insulting someone and that no insults were thrown around until he supposedly insulted someone. He then gave proof of someone else spouting an insult and you tried to move goalposts by saying it was clearly a “joke.” Keep getting caught in all these lies lady. How about just try being honest. Also in regards to your dev work comment. I was merely critiquing you on your comment about the game doing better. Can’t really say that’s true when we’ve seen nothing but downgrades in content this expansion. The playerbase growing has more to do with there just not being any good mmo’s atm than there being a good amount of content.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

This forum is in itself not a good representation of the wants of the playerbase as a whole, to say nothing of the fact that the original post would perhaps be better served being moved over to the PvP sub-forum. Still, eight likes is a respectable amount given that the thread hasn't even been up for an entire twenty four hour period yet. We also know that the development team are not at all opposed to putting niche content out there for players to engage with.

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That completely ignores the fact that many of the posts that come after that are opposed to the idea and have more "like"s than the OP if you want to go there. One against it currently has quadruple the amount of likes. By that logic, regardless of the 10 people in favor of it, there's 4 times as many opposed to it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I disagree. I don't think that is what happened at all and that this is indeed a case of moving goalposts. I'm also not 'offended', though I suppose the suggestion is in itself another example of certain posters attributing false intent to other forum participants.

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You are banging on far too much about this to then claim nonchalance.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

This forum is in itself not a good representation of the wants of the playerbase as a whole, to say nothing of the fact that the original post would perhaps be better served being moved over to the PvP sub-forum. Still, eight likes is a respectable amount given that the thread hasn't even been up for an entire twenty four hour period yet. We also know that the development team are not at all opposed to putting niche content out there for players to engage with.

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The sociopath comment you like so much already has more likes, just saying lol


I've hit the post limit now anyway, so I will say Au Revoir to this thread, we clearly have reached the end of any useful discussion anyway. Have fun folks and do enjoy the glorious PvE content out there in the open world.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Clearly you’re offended in some capacity. You went to the lengths of lying and saying he was insulting someone and that no insults were thrown around until he supposedly insulted someone. He then gave proof of someone else spouting an insult and you tried to move goalposts by saying it was clearly a “joke.” Keep getting caught in all these lies lady. How about just try being honest. Also in regards to your dev work comment. I was merely critiquing you on your comment about the game doing better. Can’t really say that’s true when we’ve seen nothing but downgrades in content this expansion. The playerbase growing has more to do with there just not being any good mmo’s atm than there being a good amount of content.

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No, I can assure you I'm not. I didn't lie either, I jsut forgot about one post in a 23 page thread.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

You are banging on far too much about this to then claim nonchalance.





The sociopath comment you like so much already has more likes, just saying lol



No, I can assure you I'm not. I didn't lie either, I jsut forgot about one post in a 23 page thread.

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Okay so which is it then? Is it a joke or is it actually an insult that you just forgot about? Starting to trip over these lies now....

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

You are banging on far too much about this to then claim nonchalance.

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I'm merely responding to posts on a forum. Which in itself is hardly a strenuous or in-depth affair. If someone were to call me, right now, I would answer the phone with similar nonchalance.

Even if one were to assume that such was not the case, would it not also imply that you are more overly invested in this discussion than you claim? Or is this but another case of 'rules for thee but not for me' at play?

Is Triple Triad open world? I can't remember. xD

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

When your in Ul'Dah and the sand starts speaking Lalafell.

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"BY HALONE, THEY'RE IN THE SAND!"

Should allow us to PVP in limsa and get rid of all the catboys and those that AFK there.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

Also, nobody has even been insulting in this thread really, up until now. It's jsut people who disagree with you giving their reasons for it. Don't be such a wallflower. If you want to go on about in-game toxicity I would say taking joy in,

Killing noobs,
ruining weddings,
ruining funerals,
trolling gatherers,
attacking low level players,
raiding towns,
etc...

Is far worse, and all have been suggested as perfectly fine and dandy ways to enjoy yourself.

The opposition to PvP has not even been on the same scale as the people who have put up arguments wanting it and why.

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All of the above take place on an opt-in pvp setting, and are part of the package. The fact that you keep repeating this as an example of toxicity (especially when it's just part of this ruleset) just underscores how you are not capable of understanding why this might be appealing for anyone (especially someone perfectly sane) to participate in.

I'm sorry, but you're out of your depth. This is why I say people that don't enjoy open pvp can't comprehend jt. It's so utterly foreign to this peaceful type of player they simply can't comprehend why anyone would want to "interrupt their gameplay" with this style of play.

If you don't want to open yourself to danger, you don't have to. For those willing to opt in, it's an amazing experience that can tell stories that can rival the best parts of the MSQ-- because the players themselves made those stories happen.

Frankly, I don't trust the judgement of much of this community over what is toxic. It can't even see toxicity in itself, let alone elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

OP: I want open PVP so I can kill people I disagree with and kill unsuspecting players who are trying to progress the game in one way or another, creating a new threat to anything you do in the open world.

Most anti open-PVP: No that sounds horrible and not like the game we've enjoyed for howevermany years.

PVP "activists" : YOU HATE PVP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT AND/OR ARE SOFT!


..seems to be the last 10 pages.

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basically lol

The hot takes in this thread are unreal. I haven't posted in ages, but continue to lurk and read threads (mostly for entertainment, because ye gods this place is uh... well, it IS entertaining, I'll just leave it at that). But I was compelled to write a bit after reading this whole ridiculous thread. Y'all are seriously acting indignant over people saying they don't want folks to be able to wantonly gank low-lever players or crash weddings and hunt trains uninvited and spinning that into "you don't want the game to grow and change! This is why it's stagnating!"

Wild.

Re: the sociopath comment - I certainly wouldn't be bothered by a random drive-by on a message board consisting of no more than "I was going to go with sociopath." And van_arm himself seems to not be bothered by it either, going by his reply to the comment in question:

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Flattered; thank you!

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So no need to white knight for him so hard, sheesh. Didn't think the "GCBTW!!"!" crowd would be so damn soft! Also, a bunch of people who like to spam GCBTW at every opportunity have said that they partly started banging on ABOUT GCBTW in the first place because they were sick of seeing too many FFXIV "positivity" memes, which is itself slightly ironic. I know which one I'm far more sick of seeing by now.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

He's significantly more mature than the vast majority of naysayers in this thread.

Once again the FFXIV players supposedly so concerned with 'toxicity' prove to be among the first to resort to personal attacks and attempted character assassination of individuals they do not know in the slightest.

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The idea that Lauront's "you're all so UGU SOFTY CAREBEAR" comment is more mature than people explaining why they don't want forced (non-opt-in) open-world PVP (because seriously... that's what most have been saying. This idea that they HATE pvp in general or would never "allow" opt-in open-world pvp was created out of nothing) is uh... singularly hilarious.

"character assassination" I mean really. "He's just being edgy" is not character assassination, my goodness me. It's just people picking at each other on a forum. If calling large swathes of the playerbase (including, by inference, basically everyone in this thread who is anti-non-opt-in open-world PVP) ugu softie carebears is "just memes! Not actually an insult! Lighten up!" then why couldn't you let something as mild as "He's just being edgy lol" pass without going into SERIOUS VOICE and scolding Artemiz about maturity and character assassination (the use of that term in this context still cracks me the hell up, by the way. That's probably why I keep writing it. Or maybe it's because I just like being wordy)?
Seriously though, on that note, why are the GCBTW types the quickest to take umbrage at the smallest little thing, yet they also cannot pass up ANY opportunity to drop a comment or a #GCBTW! meme, etc.? It's becoming an FFXIV-internal version of "SJW": it's just employed whenever someone says anything you don't like and thus, has lost whatever meaning it might have once had.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Great fun loving community by the way.

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So being anti-ganking, anti-crashing weddings uninvited, anti-NON-OPT-IN open world pvp is anti fun?

lol

Feel free to reply, or don't, whomever reads my ramblings. I may or may not post again.

I wonder how much work it would be to turn on pvp skills all zones? Next if the skill part isn't hard what would one new server really matter? If we have cross data centre visiting coming we are talking three new servers globally. If the skill thing isn't an issue I can't imagine the server cost being an issue. Nothing truly relevant happens open world.



It feels like an easy pretend win for SE to me. People get open world PvP in their own little box and the rest of the player base never even has to think about it.

24 pages arguing about something that has literally a zero percent chance of happening.
Cool.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

24 pages arguing about something that has literally a zero percent chance of happening.
Cool.

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I know right? That's what I said 13 pages ago. It's been a wild ride. I'm even called a psychopath now; when do I get my ingame title?

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Originally Posted by van_arn

I guess I’m just a horrible person, because all of that is hilarious to me. I’d make an alt of the opposite faction to stoke the fury over the flight master getting taken out after taking out the flight master with my main.

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Having played in a game with designed with OW PvP, having witnessed many shenanigans like this and more, sure it's funny the first few times. After that- really , not so much. Getting quest givers or flight transport NPCs getting blocked by a faction in one game that I played at strategic times, over and over, got to be rather tiresome, especially if PvP was not allowed in that area,

Mind you, in areas where PvP was allowed and we were able to kill the SOB doing that blocking - MY, was that ever satisfying.