Please lift glamour restrictions!

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That would be the devs not the soul crystals themselves

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Lore book doesn't state anything about devs being the reason the WoL cannot wear Paladin armor on their Black Mage? :rolleyes:

Also, let me state: the argument that your character can wear a bikini as a tank, but not a mortarboard as a tank, is irrelevant. That gear is not locked due to the ability of being able to wear it on any class, DoW, DoM, DoL, DoH and all the ones inbetween.

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Thank you for clearing up that you have never played a Final Fantasy game with a job system. It at least explains some of the outright baffling things you've been saying in this thread.

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IX had a job system, but she either did not play it, did not pay much attention to it, or was too young to adopt the concept of the job system at the time. FFVII, VIII, and X basically allowed every character to learn everything, and the only thing that separated the characters from one another was their looks and limit breaks.

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This game has a rp community as well I rp, Im not just gona pick up 13 jobs and not try to tie them together there is no need to because if I was playing any other game then it would be set and stone that I was only one class. What lifting the gear restrictions would do for me personally is to for instance, my whm could be a caster version of my palidan, my blm could be a caster version of my drk, my warrior could be my astro in tank form.

I do this already but like ive said a few time casters cant wear heavy armour, so this is why Im not opposed to the ops idea. So yes lifting these restrictions you be beneifical for someone who actually cares to make sense of the job system in ths game by not making them so separate when by nature they cant be because your doing them all one the same charcter Im sorry that you disagree with this. I know what game Im playing and I play this game because I grew up playing 7 through 10.

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The RP community is one of the biggest reasons why the status quo needs to remain that way. If you had played any FF installment prior to VII you would have a better understanding of why it is utterly ridiculous to see a WHM in DRG AF armor healing a group. Forget all the pig suits, bikinis, reindeer costumes, jump potions, and illusions. This is about maintaining the integrity and image of the franchise. THAT is what you're contesting, and you will never win. Like ever. And when players such as yourself keep using the costumes to structure your arguments, it makes we wish SE never would have released them. Not because of any substance it may or may not have, but because SE gave you an inch, and you take a mile. There are SOOOOO many options available to you, but you want the one that you can't have.

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And when players such as yourself keep using the costumes to structure your arguments, it makes we wish SE never would have released them. Not because of any substance it may or may not have, but because SE gave you an inch, and you take a mile. There are SOOOOO many options available to you, but you want the one that you can't have.

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Beautifully stated. Given the opportunity to voice their desires, the greedy child asks for everything under the sun. Better parenting is needed to correct this attitude lest the child mature into an adult with an unrealistic outlook on how the world works.

You cannot have everything, because everything takes time. This dev time could be much better spent elsewhere, not continuing to appease the greedy child who will never be satisfied anyway.

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But they did tho, and Im not against lore I love the story line of this game I play the game because of the lore but to me gear glamour is just that glamour. I just was talkin to a fc mate thats a monk and he had on a robe and a snow man head did it bother me that he was wearing this no it did not.

Just like it wouldnt bother you if a whm had on a full metal gear set, so Im not tryin to get rid of lore. Wat I want is all glamour options available because thats an extra feature of the game that doesnt effect the lore of the game only to those that get upset that its not following the tradition of games that arent this game. Have you played 15 because there is nothing you cant wear in that game because you can pretty much do everything and this is what Im saying you can do all things on this one so why not allow us to wear anything we want its not that big of a deal.

And Im going to assume that everyone that plays this game doesnt have a drk leveled up because it was never a tank until this game and thats against the lore of the past games before it. So Im sure you would never play a job that totally changed the lore of the old ones right?

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Have you played 15 because there is nothing you cant wear in that game because you can pretty much do everything.

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15 is also irrelevant to the discussion on hand because there are no jobs in that game, much like 7 and 8.

While I can't speak for everyone, it would absolutely bother me to see a healer wearing a full suit of heavy armor, since it's just pure nonsense aesthetically, IMHO.

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[...] since it's just pure nonsense aesthetically, IMHO.

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So is a warrior/fighter with long hair - it's just getting in the way, it doesn't make sense. More so in a bikini or any cloth armor. And bigger breasts don't make sense either - if anything, having one or both breasts cut off would make sense aesthetically. Fighters are practical, not pretty. Short hair, muscular stature, dirty and lots of scars. That makes sense for DoW aesthetically.

Anyone up for that? Any takers? Going through the thread, there should be plenty. And anyone taking issue with mages in heavy armor simply has to be a taker or a hypocrite and nobody wants to be a hypocrite, right?

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At this point, both sides have devolved into madness. As usual.

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I think it just hit an all time low using female mutilation to try and make a point Miles. Even if it is sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

And bigger breasts don't make sense either - if anything, having one or both breasts cut off would make sense aesthetically. Fighters are practical, not pretty.

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If anyone here has a drk tank in ff 14 version and still is opposed to the original ops post, then like Zojha said you are being a hypocrite. Because according to lore standards the Drk is a dps in all the other games but this one, so you yourself would be going against your own self imposed lore standards that you made for yourself. So Im sure that nobody thats making an argument against gear aesthetics would level a job that's totally different in all of the other games before this one.

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I think it just hit an all time low using female mutilation to try and make a point Miles. Even if it is sarcasm.

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Sorry for referring to amazon and woman-warrior mythology (with debatable historical evidence). Next time I shall politically correctly refer to biological members of the female sex with individual gender identification who engage in potentially lethal and physically exhausting activities, in which practicality is commonly valued more highly than attractiveness towards a partner of either sex and gender.

Feelings still hurt? We can put up an outrage tent for you. I'd also refrain from calling mastectomy patients "mutilated". It's a common treatment against breast cancer and I'm sure people who underwent it have enough of a bruised ego without people like you calling them such words.

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If anyone here has a drk tank in ff 14 version and still is opposed to the original ops post.

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That's incorrect. The only time DRK was ever actually labeled as a dps class was in 11. In pretty much every other game, DRK could function as a tank due to its higher HP, higher defense, and general overall toughness. Hell, I've used DRK as a tank several times throughout the series, while still using it's HP cost abilities to do damage. It being a high risk/high reward job has nothing to do with it not being tanky.

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A) You don't have to play the games when they come out. I've played FFV in 2002 with an emulator on PC.
B) All the "mass appealing" you want. It's a Final Fantasy game in the end. Lore and tradition come first. Deal with it.
C) This is not Facebook and 40 likes are nothing compared to the huge amount of players that are in-game.
D) Google "White Mage" and share the results, please. You'll notice a pattern and that's why Square-Enix, the company than owns the Final Fantasy franchise, want to keep the job's identity. It's part of their product.

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So all female characters in XIV have breast cancer? Must be from all that salt.

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That's incorrect. The only time DRK was ever .

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its an example of inconsistencies that everyone seems to ignore the many lore inconsistencies that are in this game because it is a game and it is meant to be fun. How telling someone oh you cant wear that because it doesnt look right , is only being a hindrance on other peoples fun and enjoyment to the game. What the people that liked this post and others are simply asking is another element of fun to an amazing game.

If it sacrifices lore on gear then so be it as long as it doesnt effect the core of the job like abilities then I dont see a single problem with it, the devs have made many changes already and will do it many times in the future. So Im hoping that they will at least consider some form of upgrading the current glam system and making it even better.

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Whoa, FFXVI got announced already? Dear me!
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What do you mean you didn't say that?


In case you haven't noticed: I'm trolling you. And I'm trolling you because people keep dodging the consequences of their arguments.

If you want jobs, classes etc to have a visual identity and whatnot, you have to advocate not just for it to be kept with future additions, but you also have to advocate that everything that currently violates that identity be removed. Every swimsuit, every cloth armor, every haircut, every costume and that includes the veteran rewards - they all need to be removed as options for those jobs where they do not fit into the identity.
That is the consequence of the identity argument.
People keep avoiding that and uphold a double standard that it's okay for some violations like Bikini/leather/robe tanks to exist but others like full metal mages not. They keep using that argument and then turn around on it. That is what I'm criticizing. I don't care which side a person is on. If someone is dead set on insisting every mage has to wear a burqa - that's their opinion. If they have that opinion however, they should be consequent about it and not go around and say:"Doesn't go for hot miqo'te chicks."

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Sorry for referring to amazon and woman-warrior mythology (with debatable historical evidence). Next time I shall politically correctly refer to biological members of the female sex with individual gender identification who engage in potentially lethal and physically exhausting activities, in which practicality is commonly valued more highly than attractiveness towards a partner of either sex and gender.

Feelings still hurt? We can put up an outrage tent for you. I'd also refrain from calling mastectomy patients "mutilated". It's a common treatment against breast cancer and I'm sure people who underwent it have enough of a bruised ego without people like you calling them such words.

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Your original point didn't even refer to mythology or detail it. You are bringing it to light after the fact. If your discussion of "cutting off breasts" was sensitive to begin with. It truly required more detail instead of just referring to simple aesthetics of a warrior/fighter.

Where exactly do I even remotely talk of or refer to mastectomy patients?
You are now referring to a surgical procedure used for treatment. Far more detailed than your original statement. Which was by no means how I used the term mutilate.

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If a character glamours a swimsuit on anything, then that's fine.

If a character glamours a White Mage outfit on their Paladin, then that's not fine.

Why? Because that's my opinion.

Did I insinuate anything in your post? No. Because that's not what I said. :)

Also, if you actually put ANY effort into reading my posts, such as this one, you would see over 10+ armor sets being available to casters. You don't need to reinvent the wheel to achieve different glamours.

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I'm sorry you feel that locking gear to jobs so that it continues to fit with the aesthetics of the job/role is distasteful to you, but personally, I love the glamour system precisely because it's structured. If you want an unstructured mmo with classes that have no visual identity and can wear everything under the sun, then I respect that choice because that's your opinion.

But, don't mess with my structured jobs and glamour, because that's one identity favorite parts when it comes to this mmo. This is, naturally, just my opinion.

I would say unlock everything except AF/Myth, those can remain iconic. And as much as I want my megabusters, locking Eso would be necessary because AST/MCH/DRK iconic sets are in there.

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But you are acting like you still wouldn't have your structure for your character ,thats what is trippin me about everyone's comeback is I dont want it for myself. What we are arguing is not against your argument you in fact can still have your identity as u see fit.

But does my character have to share that identity no it does not, thats where you guys have it wrong. I and others made our characters for us, so we can dress them the way we want to the same way you can dress yours the way you want to. You wouldn't lose any structure for your own personal choice in glamour. The only thing that would change is everyone else would have more options and thats what you are arguing against is you are worried about what other peoples characters would be wearing. Im just not about that I dont care what another player is wearing , they are welcome to wear any crazy get up that their hearts desires.

Im not gona tell people that they are wrong for a certain glamour choice just because I personally dont like it. I bet those other games didnt have the silly gear options that we have in this one either , that is what makes this one different. You guys are just being selfish and want to place your lore beliefs on everyone else in the game.

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You guys are just being selfish and want to place your lore beliefs on everyone else in the game.

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Removing restrictions means precisely that there will be no individual job identity. Everyone being able to wear everything means we can't get outfits designed for one job or another, since it's available to everyone.

Right now, there's one, maybe two pieces of actual gear that looks the same across roles, that being the Holy Rainbow Shirt.

And before you ask, yes, I am annoyed that this gear is completely identical in everyway.

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Removing restrictions means precisely that there will be no individual job identity. Everyone being able to wear everything means we .

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Thats your assumption tho, because obviously this would be a dev decision you are taking it a step futher than need be, just because people could wear what they wanted doesnt mean they would just stop making gear for each job.

That doesn't mean that they would just start making all class gear sets, because this is glamour so a tank would still have gear made for it are any jobs simply because of stat points. They could never go to an all jobs gear set and never would, this is called glamour its a paste over not actually wearing the gear. If what you are claiming was the case then everyone would have level one gear stats , and we both no thats not happening because its the illusion like everyone keeps saying and everyone keeps over looking.

It would change if we actually wore the gear and it wasnt glamour, but because its a paste over then there would be no reason each job would ever not have their on gear sets made forever. So nobody would lose thier identity, it would just be some people wearing what they want and others wearing their traditional stuff its called variety and there is nothing wrong with that.

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Not an assumption. If they did start doing this, gear would have to look extremely generic so that it can match any job, which on its own already removes class identity. Even if, say, a DRG wears job specific stuff, he'll still look identical to that SCH over there wearing the exact same gear. Remove restrictions, and rather than having structure, you singlehandedly turn everyone into a generic carbon copy of everyone else. There's nothing anyone could do to stand out visually, or thematically.

I don't see why anyone would promote that. I'll take my diversity, and happily, thanks!

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I would say unlock everything except AF/Myth, those can remain iconic. And as much as I want my megabusters, locking Eso would be necessary because AST/MCH/DRK iconic sets are in there.

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And Esoterics (though I feel a few of these sets weren't really popular).
The only "AF's" I wouldn't have locked are the Crafters and Gatherer gears. So many neat designs that we rarely get to see :(

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If you want jobs, classes etc to have a visual identity and whatnot, you have to advocate not just for it to be kept with future additions, but you also have to advocate that everything that currently violates that identity be removed. Every swimsuit, every cloth armor, every haircut, every costume and that includes the veteran rewards - they all need to be removed as options for those jobs where they do not fit into the identity.
That is the consequence of the identity argument.
People keep avoiding that and uphold a double standard that it's okay for some violations like Bikini/leather/robe tanks to exist but others like full metal mages not. They keep using that argument and then turn around on it. That is what I'm criticizing. I don't care which side a person is on. If someone is dead set on insisting every mage has to wear a burqa - that's their opinion. If they have that opinion however, they should be consequent about it and not go around and say:"Doesn't go for hot miqo'te chicks."

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I hope you are trolling....because this is a ridiculous "it has to be all or nothing" argument. Stuff doesn't work that way, nor would sensible people want it to work that way and it is selfish. Compromise seems to be a word people lack the definition of...since that's what SE has to do a lot with glamours. Compromise to please a lot of different kinds of people all at once.

Have specific to FF series iconic lore gear to please long time fans.
Have new unique stuff to appeal to people who like to have new things unique to FFXIV instead of only recycled stuff from previous games.
Have many different kinds of gear for each job to wear and keep building on it to satisfy people who want a lot of variety of styles.
Have some fluff/silly/pretty glamour to appeal to people with less serious mindsets and people who like more stylish/modern clothes.

There are already a lot of options to be creative already not everything has to be given to every job. It's not that the jobs have to always look like the lore identifies them it is more that IF someone is wearing or glamouring their job specific gear then they can easily be recognized as that iconic job.

Job specific gear is already only very few sets of gear out of the whole picture (only like 5-10% of the gear in the game is locked to one job), but some people are so uncompromising they want it ALL because they want to ignore that other people play this game too and care about the fact we should keep some lore intact. I dislike bikini tanks and that pig costume and many other sets of gear in the game, but I am not selfish enough to ask them be removed just because I don't like them, since there are plenty of other options I like that I can use for my characters.

Yeah we can't always follow lore because the game would be too restrictive and not appeal to enough different kinds of people, but when the lore gear is already the minority and you want to take it away...nah...it is a valid reason to not do it.

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This logic is so flawed how on earth someone is selfish for wanting to allow people to paste over gear is insane. Unless you know if they remove the restriction all of a sudden they will just stop making job specific gear, unless you no this for a fact then you couldn't use this as an argument.

Ive always known it to be if someone else wants to hold someone back from something then they are the selfish one. If for instance you have a whm robe on , and you then see a scholar wearing the same robe for your character did that change your characters identity no it wouldnt, because you are playing your character dont worry about what the next person is wearing. How can someone get that upset about what another player is doing with their on character , I dont believe in forcing my will on someone else.

Nobody here called for the removal of job specific gear, people are just asking to be able to glam it as they please this is two different things and everyone here knows this. But once again because you dont agree with the idea then its wrong , and that is what I call selfish. Lifting the restriction if they still made the gear pieces for each job would effect no one in the game , It would just upset those whom want things their way only.

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Ive always known it to be if someone else wants to hold someone back from something then they are the selfish one.

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So you're essentially calling the developers selfish for not allowing you to wear the WHM AF robe on your DRK.

Nice one.

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This logic is so flawed how on earth someone is selfish for wanting to allow people to paste over gear is insane. Unless you know if they remove the restriction all of a sudden they will just stop making job specific gear, unless you no this for a fact then you couldn't use this as an argument.

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You don't understand what I said at all...and it seems you don't understand why the mentality of what Zojha posted was selfish (notice I said the mentality of their words, not that they themselves are selfish)..so I'll explain.

The all or nothing mentality is inherently selfish sorry if you didn't know this. All or nothing means compromise is not an option and compromise is inherently unselfish because it creates a mutual partnership where both sides give up certain things to make both sides mostly happy even if it isn't 100% one way or the other. So it is both sharing a 50% happiness instead of one side being 100% happy and the other being 0% and miserable. Sort of like our IRL relationships yeah?

Its not the desire that is selfish, it is the not caring about the other side and pretending their reasons don't exist that is selfish and the mentality that you must have all of something your way. I assure you with the fact I have studied some psychology I am not insane...very kind of you to try to label me as such though.

Considering around 90% of the game's gear is not locked to one single job I would say we probably don't need to take anymore away from the people who like the job lore, the lore gear, and like having a few exclusive things to compound their job's identity.

Since you didn't read it obviously I'll mention again this game has gearsets I don't like, but I understand that others DO like some of these sets. They like it so I won't advocate taking it away from them especially since the silly/ugly gear is very minority and I have many many many other options to choose from instead of being selfish and trying to take it away from them.

It would be like if I was sitting surrounded by a dozen toys to play with yet I go and take the one toy that the person next to me is playing with even though I had so many other options to choose from without reaching over and taking away the one toy this other person had.

Also you should actually read all my posts more thoroughly because I explain often about compromise. SE ceasing to create job specific gear isn't the point; the point is job specific gear is job specific gear, it is created for that job only. Even if they remove restrictions and still create the job gear the lore is still ruined at that point...you really didn't read my posts.

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Ive always known it to be if someone else wants to hold someone back from something then they are the selfish one.

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Really so...it isn't selfish when you take something away from people who don't want it taken away? Especially when that something is already a minority? The game in general puts lore on the back burner very often already. They need to keep some lore things intact (notice I didn't say all).

Also none of us players took anything away from you or held you back. SE did. Some of us just advocate it stay how they designed it.

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You called my logic flawed, but the logic that is definitely flawed here is yours....if you ignore what other people want to keep and insist there is no reason why it shouldn't be taken away from them you ARE forcing your will onto someone else. You refuse to understand and take into consideration points made by others. It is okay to not accept lore as a reason to not remove restrictions, but you can't just pretend it doesn't exist. Which was the point of all my posts pretty much.

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Nobody here called for the removal of job specific gear, people are just asking to be able to glam it as they please this is two different things and everyone here knows this.

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Never said that people are calling the removal of it. I said lore gear is already the minority and you want to take it away. This is not an incorrect statement. If you remove the restrictions the gear is no longer following the lore therefore you took away "lore gear". So again you need to read more carefully because you aren't understanding what is being said.

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But once again because you dont agree with the idea then its wrong , and that is what I call selfish. Lifting the restriction if they still made the gear pieces for each job would effect no one in the game

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I never said anywhere that just because I don't agree the idea is wrong. I was talking about the fact that people are ignoring that lore is there even with ample evidence that it is. I keep saying that "lore is a valid reason to not remove restrictions" not 'you can't have it because I said so'.

I've also said multiple times you don't have to accept lore as a reason, but you can't go around screaming "but there is no lore that says that in the game!" whenever someone posts that lore is a reason they shouldn't remove it.

So no, I am not selfish, far from it. Just because I do not want lore gear taken away does not mean I have to have things my way only and it is extremely obvious at this point you never read most of my posts because multiple times I have stated that compromising is something I support and conceded that I understand why people want the gear restrictions removed even if I don't personally agree.

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It would just upset those whom want things their way only.

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Gear is the main subject of this thread. You want ALL gear unrestricted; which means all gear would be the way YOU want it. YOU are the one who wants things their way only. You refuse to allow any restrictions even if others want some. Instead of having all gear the way YOU want it, I feel a compromise is better so that there are still some lore gear job specific sets that are locked to those jobs to make sure one side isn't completely alienated.

You might want to spend some time thinking about what you just posted because it is full of hypocrisy.

My two items of low value on this subject:

I honestly dont care if a Black Mage got access to more plate gear. Or if a Paladin got some more robes to choose from. More options is always good, to a certain extent. I would love to wear heavy armor on my BLM and MNK like Yda and Papalymo does, without having to pay cash for it.

What would annoy me however would be seeing a black mage dressed like this
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/me...oncept_art.jpg

There are so few job locked items in this game. Can they not just be left as is? I see no reason why it should be opened. I have no experience in any other FF titles, so if theres any nostalgic reasons for keeping it as is, the reasons wont appeal to me.
Yet still, i just want the iconic gearsets to be only for the job they represent.

Would it be absolutely gamebreaking to open up the restriction? No. It wouldnt.

Lets keep what little job identity is left intact please? That'd be swell.

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Nobody here called for the removal of job specific gear, people are just asking to be able to glam it as they please this is two different things.

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Asking to be able to glam job specific gear is asking for the removal of job specific gear. If you can glam it on multiple jobs, it's not job specific. How do you not understand this? It's an incredibly basic concept.

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Not an assumption. If they did start doing this, gear would have to look extremely generic so that it can match any job, which on its own already removes class identity. Even if, say, a DRG wears job specific stuff, he'll still look identical to that SCH over there wearing the exact same gear. Remove restrictions, and rather than having structure, you singlehandedly turn everyone into a generic carbon copy of everyone else. There's nothing anyone could do to stand out visually, or thematically.

I don't see why anyone would promote that. I'll take my diversity, and happily, thanks!

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Not true at all. As far as looks are concerned few people are wearing their job gear today. Removing restrictions on glamours won't make people look any more similar than they already do. Only real difference would be that mages can look like tanks then. Tanks can already look like mages, so making that symmetrical would be nice.


Judging from other games, removing restrictions will mean more diversity, not less.

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Asking to be able to glam job specific gear is asking for the removal of job specific gear. If you can glam it on multiple jobs, it's not job specific. How do you not understand this? It's an incredibly basic concept.

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Basic it may be, but not correct. People are not asking for the ability to wear the actual job specific gear, just a glamour - illusion - of it. Gear would remain job specific, glamours wouldn't.

First thing first I want the restriction removed is PvP animal set. I can't mix and match healer gear because it restricted by job not disciple.

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While I can't speak for everyone, it would absolutely bother me to see a healer wearing a full suit of heavy armor, since it's just pure nonsense aesthetically, IMHO.

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This is already nonsense because DoM already got some armor (Yeah armor but not heavy enough but still, armor) like power ranger and ffxi's forgot-the-name armor too.

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This logic is so flawed how on earth someone is selfish for wanting to allow people to paste over gear is insane.

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You are basing flawed logic on 3 current sets of gear limited to each job, an extremely low % out of gear in this game. That have a history, pride, symbolism, and fanfare with long time fans and the Company itself.

You personally believe you should be allowed to equip them in any fashion period.

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Ive always known it to be if someone else wants to hold someone back from something then they are the selfish one.

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Yet with this statement you are indeed holding back the creative views of the original creator itself and many longtime fans. You are unwilling to compromise at all. However, the creator themselves have shown compromise from the beginning. Many opinions towards this thread have as well.

Don't worry, I'm sure in the next expansion, they will add dyeable versions of all that gear and make it extremely hard to get. Then they'll make an identical set, different color scheme, not dyeable to be unlocked by doing one of the new dungeons.

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This is already nonsense because DoM already got some armor (Yeah armor but not heavy enough but still, armor) like power ranger and ffxi's forgot-the-name armor too.

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Mages in light armor doesn't bother me at all, I don't know where you got that impression? The Daystar set is absolutely beautiful, for example. Well, except for the crown, but that's my opinion.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Basic it may be, but not correct. People are not asking for the ability to wear the actual job specific gear, just a glamour - illusion - of it. Gear would remain job specific, glamours wouldn't.

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Correct! You can't glam what you can't wear because it's job specific, thank you for pointing out the way the glamour system works. Once you can use it as a glam on multiple jobs, it stops being job specific, like the BRD's Kirimu Coat became generic glamour, and as a result went from being a cool look, to a generically 'meh' piece of gear.

Like the Idea that someone would even wear a complete full set of job specific gear is funny in itself, because from what I've seen once people level up they don't even use these sets and nobody really even wears the full set.

You guys are just assuming by lifting the restrictions all of a sudden people will then decide to wear a full set of Job specific armor when even those jobs arent walking around in said armor. Lifting the restrictions will open the door for stuff like op wants pieces of the gear to go with other glamour choices. The boots , not the whole set is what they are asking, the small percentage of people that would actually wear a 100 percent full set of job specific gear would be so small and u guys know it. Its called mix and matching its what people do now and what they would do if they lifted this restriction.

Stuff like the paladin crown is something id use for glamour, someone mention the bard pants, I highly doubt if said restriction was lifted then all of sudden people would decide to wear a whole complete set on a job the amount of people that would do this is very small. So unless you are wearing a 100 percent glammed over full set of any jobs gear yourself then do assume that people would do this , you are just using this to try to empower your opposition.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

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Except that it has actually happened in game where they made job specific gear able to be used by everyone and it immediately went from looking cool to looking extremely meh.

The only solution with the current glamour system is to copycat the current job specific gears and make it lvl 1 which are gears that can be glamour by any job that way people will be able to just use it for the purpose of glamour and not use it to lvl a character of unmatched job.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Except that it has actually happened in game where they made job specific gear able to be used by everyone and it immediately went from looking cool to looking extremely meh.

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So Im guessing all of your jobs are wearing 100 percent job specific gear if any at all then correct? I can tell you I may only be wearing the paladin crown, and thats about it. I see no one wearing this gear at all, other than when they first get it.

And if they lifted the restriction then all it would do is open up the door for add ons like the crown , are boots, wrist bans are things such as this. Nobody is gona go oh let me dec out my blm, in full on ninja gear the whole set completely cause even ninjas arent wearing the full set themselves . You cant honestly say that even 10 percent of people where a full set of job specific gear , and Im on three servers and I never see it.