Here's why I will not support this healer strike.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

I won't go in that thread, its full of negativity and even if I did call her out you guys would have jumped on me for some reason or another, I have completely written that thread off as trollbait and I am not interested in it, I would advise all other people to avoid it aswell but I am not their representative and I don't speak for them nor do they speak for me.

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I mean whether you go into that thread or not is irrelevant to my question

She opened with vitriol for zero reason, she isn’t the only one. Why are “they” allowed to be vitriolic but the strikers are all evil vitriolic trolls who want everyone else to suffer

You can’t really be holier than thou when you have a clear bias, both sides are being vitriolic but you are certainly only calling out one side, and if you called out “your” side and people still jumped on you that’s on them, you certainly haven’t really painted yourself in a favourable light but I mean it’s also not on me to judge; I haven’t been vitriolic I simply debate with people, is that so much to ask of the “other” side

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

You cannot argue against homogenization yet demand another dps spamming job that ignores the entire point of its self. The job will not change in the way you want. Sage is the closest thing we have and I dislike sage for that exact reason. What allures me to sch is "consequence" that should I waste my charges on dps I will suffer later for it. But that I can use my skill in the fight to better make those decisions. Sadly i think dt has ruined it but I haven't played it yet.

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I 100% agree with you on what draws you to SCH because that’s exactly what draws me to SCH. My problem with your point so to speak is that saying “another DPS job that ignores the entire point of itself” is exactly what all 4 healers already are and they do it in exactly the same way (1 nuke 1 dot, 1-2 flavour abilities. The healers physically cannot be homogenised further on that point, SGE and SCH are also ridiculously similar on the healing side as well.

I agree that if all healers were turned into the same flavour of DPS it would be homogenisation, but my belief is they are already there so what’s the difference in trying

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I mean whether you go into that thread or not is irrelevant to my question

She opened with vitriol for zero reason, she isn’t the only one. Why are “they” allowed to be vitriolic but the strikers are all evil vitriolic trolls who want everyone else to suffer

You can’t really be holier than thou when you have a clear bias, both sides are being vitriolic but you are certainly only calling out one side, and if you called out “your” side and people still jumped on you that’s on them, you certainly haven’t really painted yourself in a favourable light but I mean it’s also not on me to judge; I haven’t been vitriolic I simply debate with people, is that so much to ask of the “other” side

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The only side im on is my own, I don't speak for those against you and they dont speak for me, don't try lumping us all in one basket, it is not my place or responsibility to rail people in you dont like or find vitriolic, that is your issue to deal with.

The only reason you feel I have painted myself into an unfavourable light is because I speak plainly, I have no interest in molly coddling anyone, everyone is acting like children and you are meant to be adults, it's a video game ffs, I have quit video games im not happy with or dislike greatly and relegated them to the back burner, a video game is not my life and half of you are acting like your life is in danger with how you've approached the entire "strike".

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I mean whether you go into that thread or not is irrelevant to my question

She opened with vitriol for zero reason, she isn’t the only one. Why are “they” allowed to be vitriolic but the strikers are all evil vitriolic trolls who want everyone else to suffer

You can’t really be holier than thou when you have a clear bias, both sides are being vitriolic but you are certainly only calling out one side, and if you called out “your” side and people still jumped on you that’s on them, you certainly haven’t really painted yourself in a favourable light but I mean it’s also not on me to judge; I haven’t been vitriolic I simply debate with people, is that so much to ask of the “other” side

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This argument is over now. If this is all that remains of the substance then I'm finished engaging with you. In the end this is exactly how I knew this would go.

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I agree that if all healers were turned into the same flavour of DPS it would be homogenisation, but my belief is they are already there so what’s the difference in trying

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Your counter argument amounts to little more than. "Why not" when you have tanks as the exact reason as to why not. The off tank in 99% of fights can be swapped for a dps and nothing is lost. Look at rubicante ex

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Originally Posted by Sadebreth

You read way too many guides. You also have a dps meter in your game don't you? Tell me one dungeon below extreme, of which are optional, that REQUIRES a healer to DPS? I have played this game since commercial release and the rage timers for regular and hard are not bad enough that a healer needs to dps anything. If a healer didn't have ANY ability to dps they wouldn't get past level 1. Use your damage to do quests.

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So you just moved the goalpost. Also since you play since comercial release, you would probably remember Hard Fractal Continuum in Sb. That boss had an ''hard'' enrage for a dungeon and would require healer to dps unless you had Dps going out of their way to play ''optimaly''. That aside i'm sure a few trial with enrage can be impossible at lowest item level possible if the whole group don't contribute with damage. Will I never wiped to it, I'm pretty sure the new Ultima weapon would probably wipe a group with minimum iLevel if the healer don't dps. That aside, I don't see why asking healer to dps is ''elitist'' like let be honest here, should they be afk-ing in the background or wasting mana healing people who are already full of something?

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

This argument is over now. If this is all that remains of the substance then I'm finished engaging with you. In the end this is exactly how I knew this would go. Your counter argument amounts to little more than. "Why not" when you have tanks as the exact reason as to why not. The off tank in 99% of fights can be swapped for a dps and nothing us lost. Look at rubicante

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Anyone wanna chime in and tell me what I did wrong this time

The conclusion I drew from my own analysis was proposing a solution that give everyone rez items to create redundancy for healer, which is currently the only role without a redundancy. Redundancy is key because otherwise healer has the greatest risk of being blamed for single point of failure.

The other conclusion drawn from people in the strike thread was that terrible healers should be kicked and that comment was immediately deleted by mods. There has been a lot of snark to similar effect of "skill issue." It doesn't help the strike advocates that the conclusions drawn from this group do not seem to consider SEs legitimate concerns about player retention and appealing to the silent majority.

People who have benefit of raid statics and general lack of exposure to the vagaries of duty finder, and general low tolerance for perceived poor gameplay, are a vocal minority but SE corporate knows better and you can't be surprised that SE has not really catered to you because this is a business and the market has spoken. If you want change its not arguing skill issue, it's understanding what SEs bottom line is and finding a solution that also keeps in mind the silent majority.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

So you just moved the goalpost. Also since you play since comercial release, you would probably remember Hard Fractal Continuum in Sb. That boss had an ''hard'' enrage for a dungeon and would require healer to dps unless you had Dps going out of their way to play ''optimaly''. That aside i'm sure a few trial with enrage can be impossible at lowest item level possible if the whole group don't contribute with damage. Will I never wiped to it, I'm pretty sure the new Ultima weapon would probably wipe a group with minimum iLevel if the healer don't dps. That aside, I don't see why asking healer to dps is ''elitist'' like let be honest here, should they be afk-ing in the background or wasting mana healing people who are already full of something?

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Way back in the day, depending on how far back, dungeons were harder. They tweaked them because they were losing too many players due to the difficulty. TODAY, however, the regular and hard dungeons are not as bad as you are making them seem. Back then it was too hard for healers to just concentrate on healing and they complained just like you are now. They made most of the dungeons MUCH easier and tweaked the item levels for them. The issue went away and players started playing again. There is absolutely NO WAY to make everyone happy. You do something for someone, and it will upset someone else. The only thing you can do is choose the lesser of 2 evils and move on.

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Originally Posted by Auteur

The conclusion I drew from my own analysis was proposing a solution that give everyone rez items to create redundancy for healer, which is currently the only role without a redundancy. Redundancy is key because otherwise healer has the greatest risk of being blamed for single point of failure.

The other conclusion drawn from people in the strike thread was that terrible healers should be kicked and that comment was immediately deleted by mods. There has been a lot of snark to similar effect of "skill issue." It doesn't help the strike advocates that the conclusions drawn from this group do not seem to consider SEs legitimate concerns about player retention and appealing to the silent majority.

People who have benefit of raid statics and general lack of exposure to the vagaries of duty finder, and general low tolerance for perceived poor gameplay, are a vocal minority but SE corporate knows better and you can't be surprised that SE has not really catered to you because this is a business and the market has spoken. If you want change its not arguing skill issue, it's understanding what SEs bottom line is and finding a solution that also keeps in mind the silent majority.

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You had 6 seperate people tell you that our issue is with the ceiling of healers and not the floor and your answer to that was “until you can GUARANTEE the floor won’t drop if the ceiling goes up it’s a dead proposal”

What’s the point of coming onto this thread and lying that you were attacked when people can just go into the other thread and read that people didn’t respond the way you are saying they did here

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Originally Posted by Sadebreth

You read way too many guides. You also have a dps meter in your game don't you? Tell me one dungeon below extreme, of which are optional, that REQUIRES a healer to DPS? I have played this game since commercial release and the rage timers for regular and hard are not bad enough that a healer needs to dps anything. If a healer didn't have ANY ability to dps they wouldn't get past level 1. Use your damage to do quests.

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I don't think dead ends wouldnt be a particularly fun dng to play without a healer to remove the doom. Lost city and aurum Vale is also utter chaos. But then early arr dng handled it better

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You had 6 seperate people tell you that our issue is with the ceiling of healers and not the floor and your answer to that was “until you can GUARANTEE the floor won’t drop if the ceiling goes up it’s a dead proposal”

What’s the point of coming onto this thread and lying that you were attacked when people can just go into the other thread and read that people didn’t respond the way you are saying they did here

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There is literally a deleted comment in the middle of page 598 since one of the pro strikes concluded terrible healers should be kicked from raids after advocating for healers increasing stakes. My response was this is not persuasive at all and definitely won't convince SE.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Anyone wanna chime in and tell me what I did wrong this time

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please self reflect on some of your responses during the time you hit your next post limit

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

I don't think dead ends wouldnt be a particularly fun dng to play without a healer to remove the doom.

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Doom in dead ends ? Where ? I've never seen any doom there.

Also, if you need to dispell something BRD can do it too, why a healer is mandatory here ?

Also i would disagree that its childish, its a protest and a peaceful one at that. Which is a consequence of years of neglect.

I only joined the forum recently but i did read older healer threads. Years of feedback multiple expansions worth of it and nothing. Not even acknowledgement and a answer towards it.

Edit: Of course there are bad eggs and rude people. They exist on both sides. But those dont affect the core tenant or history and reason for the protest.

I do not think there is room for good or compelling game design in a world where maintaining a company's bottom line is the only priority.

Sure, it's reality. I tell people that all the time with other games and franchises like Zelda. I like BotW and I like old Zelda gameplay and dungeon design. BotW sells more, it's just business.

Guilty Gear Strive sells well, it's just business. I have praises and gripes. I prefer +R. I can go play +R, I can boot up Ocarina of Time.

I can't play old versions of FFXIV. FFXIV is my favorite game.
Even if I'm in the niche, and my opinion rubs others the wrong way, I'd like to go to bat for my favorite game and hold out for the chance to see design that isn't afraid to be something.

Games made for everyone are made for no one.
FFXIV increasingly feels like one of those games and I don't like it.

If your only response is "well the bottom line" or "go play something else" then I hope I've sufficiently replied to those already with my above statements. I don't care and no thank you.

And while I don't want to actually aggravate anyone, I don't like the idea that I'm supposed to worry about stepping on the toes of people I disagree with or risk being called vitriolic or accused of trolling.

Also, I don't care how you play your job. If you don't want to DPS as a healer, I don't agree, but I did not mean for the statement "Healers are expected to DPS" to be controversial or accusatory. I don't care if other people even do their Tank or DPS rotations correctly. I really don't.

My favorite groups to get in FFXIV are people who want to explore the ARR/HW/etc dungeons, open chests, wipe to avoidable damage, not know mechanics. Even when I'm not healing. I really love this game. I can't even say I care if we finish the content as long as the group seems to be having a good time.

I think the current game design is so scared of players having any basis on which to criticize each other than they've trapped themselves. I do not think we need an in game DPS meter. But I think they realized people will criticize each other's gameplay regardless and look for ways to reduce the differences between how people can experience and play the game in order to keep players from getting frustrated with each other, and I think that's a fool's errand.

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Originally Posted by gllt

I do not think there is room for good or compelling game design in a world where maintaining a company's bottom line is the only priority.

Sure, it's reality. I tell people that all the time with other games and franchises like Zelda. I like BotW and I like old Zelda gameplay and dungeon design. BotW sells more, it's just business.

Guilty Gear Strive sells well, it's just business. I have praises and gripes. I prefer +R. I can go play +R, I can boot up Ocarina of Time.

I can't play old versions of FFXIV. FFXIV is my favorite game.
Even if I'm in the niche, and my opinion rubs others the wrong way, I'd like to go to bat for my favorite game and hold out for the chance to see design that isn't afraid to be something.

Games made for everyone are made for no one.
FFXIV increasingly feels like one of those games and I don't like it.

If your only response is "well the bottom line" or "go play something else" then I hope I've sufficiently replied to those already with my above statements. I don't care and no thank you.

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I liked 1.0 because I have fond memories with it, yes it was a commercial failure and a flop to the masses, but it kept me and my then boyfriend now husband in contact and doing things together because he was away working and I was in and out of hospital for treatment for almost 10 years, but subjectively my opinion is wrong because the masses deem it so.

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And while I don't want to actually aggravate anyone, I don't like the idea that I'm supposed to worry about stepping on the toes of people I disagree with or risk being called vitriolic or accused of trolling.

Also, I don't care how you play your job. If you don't want to DPS as a healer, I don't agree, but I did not mean for the statement "Healers are expected to DPS" to be controversial or accusatory. I don't care if other people even do their Tank or DPS rotations correctly. I really don't.

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Then why worry about stepping on toes, why be concerned about being liked by someone you may potentially never meet, you are only restricting yourself here, personally I dont care what you all think about me, I'd rather say what I need to say rather than worry about hurting some random internet strangers fee fee's..

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I think the current game design is so scared of players having any basis on which to criticize each other than they've trapped themselves. I do not think we need an in game DPS meter. But I think they realized people will criticize each other's gameplay regardless and look for ways to reduce the differences between how people can experience and play the game in order to keep players from getting frustrated with each other, and I think that's a fool's errand.

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You'll find most of the people actually criticizing DPS are the ones who more than most likely have a DPS meter installed, if someone tells me how to play i will report/block them for potential breaking of the ToS, f em.

To add, i genuinely do not care for anyone in this game unless they are my friends/fc whome I know irl and my husband, everyone else is just an extra, but this is not to say I don't know basic politeness, if we can have a polite interaction in game and part ways thats fine but dont expect me to care or respect your opinions as I hope you don't care for mine should I choose to share them which generally I don't.

Why are some people against healers asking for more dps buttons? Tanks have more dps buttons too. If someone doesn't want to use any new dps buttons as a healer, they can still do that just like they can already ignore the few existing dps buttons. Nothing would change for those who just want to heal in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Why are some people against healers asking for more dps buttons? Tanks have more dps buttons too. If someone doesn't want to use any new dps buttons as a healer, they can still do that just like they can already ignore the few existing dps buttons. Nothing would change for those who just want to heal in dungeons.

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Because quite simply a lot of healers cannot be trusted with it, I already have heard complaints from Tanks/DPS for the healer not doing their job and instead just DPS'n why encourage this behavior?

If you want to DPS play a DPS class if you play a healer Heal it is your role but when you have downtime feel free to use your limited DPS abilities to do some damage or stand there until you need to heal again that is also fine.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

Because quite simply a lot of healers cannot be trusted with it, I already have heard complaints from Tanks/DPS for the healer not doing their job and instead just DPS'n why encourage this behavior?

If you want to DPS play a DPS class if you play a healer Heal it is your role but when you have downtime feel free to use your limited DPS abilities to do some damage or stand there until you need to heal again that is also fine.

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I also have pointless anecdotes about tanks who laser focus DPS and never press their mitigation, you are from ARR surely you remember the times the tanks would just sit in DPS stance and go “stuff you healer heal me”

Why do we lobotomise 1 role when all roles are guilty of the sin of having bad players play them

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I also have pointless anecdotes about tanks who laser focus DPS and never press their mitigation, you are from ARR surely you remember the times the tanks would just sit in DPS stance and go “stuff you healer heal me”

Why do we lobotomise 1 role when all roles are guilty of the sin of having bad players play them

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All roles have been equally lobotomized as you so delicately put it, all roles have had abilities stripped away or merged into other skills healers are not the only victims here but you seem to play the victim card the loudest, im SMN's case everyone hates it, Tanks can no longer switch to a DPS stance so they have had their damage permanently nerfed, I don't think I've seen as such a big uproar over it and don't count on 8.0 being any jobs savior if thats what you're hoping as I can see VPR and PCT being the idea they bring forward for all jobs and have abilities change on 1 button.

I need to clarify something... I didn't mean to say that dps meters were allowed. They are not allowed and against ToS. Here is a link for anyone that wants to read it. I don't know if it still applies since it was 3 years ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...players_about/

I am sorry. I will go back and edit my post.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I also have pointless anecdotes about tanks who laser focus DPS and never press their mitigation, you are from ARR surely you remember the times the tanks would just sit in DPS stance and go “stuff you healer heal me”

Why do we lobotomise 1 role when all roles are guilty of the sin of having bad players play them

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And those tanks likely got blocked so that the other people in the group wouldn't get grouped with them again. In a game with this many people playing, you are going to run into some bad ones. There is no getting around that.

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Originally Posted by Sadebreth

A healer will ALWAYS be needed. That is the point. You can't do dungeons without a healer. The tanks that can heal themselves through a boss, which I believe is only warrior and paladin, needs to be looked at but dungeons are where healers are really needed. Without healers the game might as well not have any dungeons and just let everyone zerg the things. The only dungeons that everyone farms that I know of are pre-made groups where you can cheese it by going in over the level of the dungeon. Me and my daughter got the birds and wolves doing extremes by ourselves that way. If you go into a dungeon at level I have never seen a healer not be needed.

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Ahahahahaha

Yes, yes they can. I've not only done dungeons with 1 tank and 3 DPS, I've solo several of the bosses in EW on Warrior, Gunbreaker and Paladin. Heck, friends and I ran without a healer for early Viper and Picto leveling. I'll go one better though. In Aetherfont during the last boss, I intentionally collected 8 vuln stacks then stood in three intersecting aoe. That only dealt 100k which wasn't even enough to proc Holmgang. In other words, that boss does so little damage it's impossible to kill a Warrior. What healing do I need when I'm literally invincible?

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Originally Posted by Sadebreth

And those tanks likely got blocked so that the other people in the group wouldn't get grouped with them again. In a game with this many people playing, you are going to run into some bad ones. There is no getting around that.

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That isn't how the blacklist works. It simply mutes and makes them invisible on your screen. They can't join your premade PFs but you can still be paired together in DF.

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Originally Posted by Sadebreth

And those tanks likely got blocked so that the other people in the group wouldn't get grouped with them again.

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1) you can’t block someone from joining content, you can only silence them in content
2) blocking someone from not playing a role correctly isn’t remotely comparable to actually completely changing the role to make these sort of failings impossible

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

All roles have been equally lobotomized as you so delicately put it, all roles have had abilities stripped away or merged into other skills healers are not the only victims here but you seem to play the victim card the loudest, im SMN's case everyone hates it, Tanks can no longer switch to a DPS stance so they have had their damage permanently nerfed, I don't think I've seen as such a big uproar over it and don't count on 8.0 being any jobs savior if thats what you're hoping as I can see VPR and PCT being the idea they bring forward for all jobs and have abilities change on 1 button.

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It’s almost like the role that got it worst complains the loudest, shocking isn’t it, it’s also not like the tanks and DPS are quiet they just still have a baseline of fun that precludes the complaints the healers have

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Originally Posted by Hellebore_Ghrian

Doom in dead ends ? Where ? I've never seen any doom there.

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okay firstly. i believe this ZERO. You almost certainly got it the first try on that dng

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Originally Posted by Hellebore_Ghrian

Also, if you need to dispell something BRD can do it too, why a healer is mandatory here ?

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because 1 of the dooms is cleansed by healing and bard is a 1/21 chance to be in your roulette anyway. not to mention they can only esuna 1 person at time

holy 19 pages
the strike doesn't actually exist, it's like 10 people on the forums stirring the pot

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

If you want to DPS play a DPS class if you play a healer Heal it is your role but when you have downtime feel free to use your limited DPS abilities to do some damage or stand there until you need to heal again that is also fine.

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Then give me something to actually heal. Healing requirements are so low in this game unless you have a party full of clowns. But why does a role need to hope they get an incompetent party in order to feel engaged? I feel like there is something wrong there. I frequently queue into 24-man HOPING for some meme party so that I can actually be a healer and not a gimped DPS. There’s a lot of downtime in this game unless you have a very questionable party. And even then, a single competent healer can save an alliance. There’s little need for two.

Healers asked in the past for more reasons to use their bloated healing kits. We weren’t given that. Hence why now they are asking for more engagement for what they ARE doing: dealing damage.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

All roles have been equally lobotomized as you so delicately put it, all roles have had abilities stripped away or merged into other skills healers are not the only victims here but you seem to play the victim card the loudest, im SMN's case everyone hates it, Tanks can no longer switch to a DPS stance so they have had their damage permanently nerfed, I don't think I've seen as such a big uproar over it and don't count on 8.0 being any jobs savior if thats what you're hoping as I can see VPR and PCT being the idea they bring forward for all jobs and have abilities change on 1 button.

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Actually, I've heard people like new SMN, therefore it's actually a good change if we're following your logic on healers having an additional DPS button being bad because you've heard people complain. You know in a world will people will complain about anything.

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Originally Posted by AddictedToWitches

holy 19 pages
the strike doesn't actually exist, it's like 10 people on the forums stirring the pot

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Maam i know more than 10 people that participate in the strike that are not even have forum posts. Just because not everyone writes doesnt mean they dont exist.

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Originally Posted by Bellsong

Actually, I've heard people like new SMN, therefore it's actually a good change if we're following your logic on healers having an additional DPS button being bad because you've heard people complain. You know in a world will people will complain about anything.

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Exactly, look at the healerstrike thread *shudders*.

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Originally Posted by Sadebreth

Way back in the day, depending on how far back, dungeons were harder. They tweaked them because they were losing too many players due to the difficulty. TODAY, however, the regular and hard dungeons are not as bad as you are making them seem. Back then it was too hard for healers to just concentrate on healing and they complained just like you are now. They made most of the dungeons MUCH easier and tweaked the item levels for them. The issue went away and players started playing again. There is absolutely NO WAY to make everyone happy. You do something for someone, and it will upset someone else. The only thing you can do is choose the lesser of 2 evils and move on.

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I love how you just ignored most of the thing I said then proceeded to decide my stand on the matter and that I was complaining about something even too it my first time posting in this thread. Also no... I also play since ARR too. The only ''hard dungeon'' we had we're a bunch of post msq dungeon in ARR that often got nerfed a patch of two later after their inclusion due to being overtuned. When you hear people talk about the game being hard back then, it was about optional endgame raid content. I don't say that current day ''hard'' dungeon are difficult, but that if you do them at minimum Ilevel you acctualy need to pay attention and can't just watch something on the side like the vast majority of normal difficulty content in the game. The reason player left back in the days was because of lack of content and replayability. Best way I can describe it is that due to the lack of roulettes and that unlike other popular mmo that class locked you, You had no reason to make a new char or just go do old content. I remember waiting 3 hours just to get in the level 15 ifrit fight. Also while everyone can't be happy the world aint all in white and black and two dimentional. There can be a middle ground.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

Exactly, look at the healerstrike thread *shudders*.

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Yeah, it's pretty silly how many people won't even read the OP, post the same tired argument against the thread, and then get upset when people have no patience for them.

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

Maam i know more than 10 people that participate in the strike that are not even have forum posts. Just because not everyone writes doesnt mean they dont exist.

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until I see any actual impact on queues or party finder due to lack of healers, the "strike" does not exist
Less than a hundred people at most, and that is not even 0.1% of the game's population.

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Originally Posted by AddictedToWitches

until I see any actual impact on queues or party finder due to lack of healers, the "strike" does not exist
Less than a hundred people at most, and that is not even 0.1% of the game's population.

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Literally everyone who switched off healer because they're bored of it is "striking". That's a lot more than 100. The "strike" isn't a real strike. It's just people changing jobs to classes they enjoy more than the boring healers. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.

I was a Sage main in Endwalker. Playing Sage outside of savage prog is boring. Playing Sage in savage prog is still mildly boring. I switched to Bard for Dawntrail because its more fun. I will not be playing healers unless there are major changes because I don't find it fun.

Technically, I'm "striking", but really I'm just playing jobs that don't bore me until healers are made more interesting.

Lets be honest Miss Goro.
We both don't know how many participate or not.
In what form ever. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

because 1 of the dooms is cleansed by healing and bard is a 1/21 chance to be in your roulette anyway. not to mention they can only esuna 1 person at time

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You only get a Doom debuff if you get hit by the butterflies. It's not really an unavoidable 'esuna check' akin to something like Exdeath's opening moves in Deltascape V.4, so from a mechanics perspective, a healer isn't mandatory to clear the fight. The same applies to the earlier boss that gives you Necrosis if you fail to dodge the gas clouds.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Healers asked in the past for more reasons to use their bloated healing kits. We weren’t given that. Hence why now they are asking for more engagement for what they ARE doing: dealing damage.

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This is very true, healers have been asking constantly for anything to tackle the downtime, and Yoship-P's response to those questions birthed the "Just do Ultimate" thread.

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Originally Posted by AddictedToWitches

until I see any actual impact on queues or party finder due to lack of healers, the "strike" does not exist
Less than a hundred people at most, and that is not even 0.1% of the game's population.

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Well, according to the thread creator their strike officially starts today, so perhaps you can share your findings over the next few days in regards to queue times.
Though to be honest, I just imagine for regular content it will be slower on DPS timers since that's the only role that was added this expansion and people want to try them out.

In any case, I won't be surprised if there is another healer drought in PF going into savage just like in Abyssos.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

You only get a Doom debuff if you get hit by the butterflies. It's not really an unavoidable 'esuna check' akin to something like Exdeath's opening moves in Deltascape V.4, so from a mechanics perspective, a healer isn't mandatory to clear the fight. The same applies to the earlier boss that gives you Necrosis if you fail to dodge the gas clouds.

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yes so basically the only way a healer isnt needed is if ur a bunch of premades with high skill level. i mean. this has been the case since even arr.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

Well, according to the thread creator their strike officially starts today, so perhaps you can share your findings over the next few days in regards to queue times.
Though to be honest, I just imagine for regular content it will be slower on DPS timers since that's the only role that was added this expansion and people want to try them out.

In any case, I won't

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honestly i think this is just amusing.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

yes so basically the only way a healer isnt needed is if ur a bunch of premades with high skill level. i mean. this has been the case since even arr.

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In other critique about the strike, people claim dungeons don't matter at all, since they are so easy they aren't "real content". And now, making sure you avoid a few easily avoidable instant death mechanic is high skill level?

And no that isn't the only way healers aren't needed. A significant part of the complains about healers, is that very often healers end up in PUG's where they aren't a useful part of the team. They are just there because the queue required it.

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Originally Posted by aiqa

In other critique about the strike, people claim dungeons don't matter at all, since they are so easy they aren't "real content". And now, making sure you avoid a few easily avoidable instant death mechanic is high skill level?

And no that isn't the only way healers aren't needed. A significant part of the complains about healers, is that very often healers end up in PUG's where they aren't a useful part of the team. They are just there because the queue required it.

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honestly. i have the 2k mentor pony. and in my experience. 9/10 times that dungeon causes massive issues. i cannot count how many times i got sucked in becuse a healer left who couldnt cope with the mecanics. or the amount of people deing to them. so realllllllllllly dont agree here

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

honestly. i have the 2k mentor pony. and in my experience. 9/10 times that dungeon causes massive issues. i cannot count how many times i got sucked in becuse a healer left who couldnt cope with the mecanics. or the amount of people deing to them. so realllllllllllly dont agree here

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As a mentor you could have explained they should look at the target circle under the butterflies, and then don't stand in front of them. The only time I saw people messing that up is when they very obviously didn't notice the small target circles.

And also, focussing on these very rare bossfights where a few players die to a mechanics that esuna could have saved them from, just proves the point of the healer strike. Healers shouldn't have to queue up for DF and hope to get one of the few dungeons where they could be useful if they get people who weren't explained how to avoid one instant death mechanic. Healers should be a equally important part of a team in any group content.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

yes so basically the only way a healer isnt needed is if ur a bunch of premades with high skill level.

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No.

Please see: Warrior