Turn Housing Demolition on

Why not just make auto demo less than one month of inactivity? It might force players to stay subscribed to keep their house.

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Originally Posted by baobaosun

Why not just make auto demo less than one month of inactivity? It might force players to stay subscribed to keep their house.

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Remember when Yoshida said he wasn't going to use an auto demolition timer for housing because he didn't want to force players to log on or stay subbed? He's slowly creeping towards Todd Howard levels, lol.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Remember when Yoshida said he wasn't going to use an auto demolition timer for housing because he didn't want to force players to log on or stay subbed? He's slowly creeping towards Todd Howard levels, lol.

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Already too late since you get FC leaders stay subbed just to keep their FC house.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Remember when Yoshida said he wasn't going to use an auto demolition timer for housing because he didn't want to force players to log on or stay subbed? He's slowly creeping towards Todd Howard levels, lol.

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yah he didnt think that one through because unless the housing system is instanced and a way for everyone to get one, then youre going to need to boot inactives to make way for current players, otherwise as said, wards would just be almost entirely inactives while everyone else just got nothing.

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Originally Posted by baobaosun

Why not just make auto demo less than one month of inactivity? It might force players to stay subscribed to keep their house.

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You dont realy need the auto demo timer to be shorter on that. Even in the current timer, you need at least 8 months worth of subscription, with constant managing to optimize time usage. As you need to visit the house, you need to log in, and to log in you need a subscription.

What is the criteria for a war being important enough to stop the housing demolition?

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

What is the criteria for a war being important enough to stop the housing demolition?

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Presumably SE knows in what countries their players live in (and pay from). Less players impacted means to SE a war is less important.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Remember when Yoshida said he wasn't going to use an auto demolition timer for housing because he didn't want to force players to log on or stay subbed? He's slowly creeping towards Todd Howard levels, lol.

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Remember when the player base had a fraction of the players it did now? Remember when the housing availability never grew at a pace that matched the growth in player base size? He's not going towards Todd Howard levels, he's actually making the choices needed to keep the game going in 2022 with a much larger player base.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Remember when Yoshida said he wasn't going to use an auto demolition timer for housing because he didn't want to force players to log on or stay subbed? He's slowly creeping towards Todd Howard levels, lol.

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That one I don’t really think it iss him because that feature is requested by player base
Housing forum through the years made a lot stupid requests:
FC should get priority
Auto demolition timer
Auto demolition timer to be suspended when there is natural disaster
FF11 moghouse (Apartment)
Relocation ability
More restricted relocation process
Lottery

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

What is the criteria for a war being important enough to stop the housing demolition?

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When it's trending pretty heavily on twitter. :^)

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

What is the criteria for a war being important enough to stop the housing demolition?

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Neverminded, not worth it

I know this is probably the last response you're looking for, but honestly I'm glad it's still on
Can finally take a break & not have to worry about my house & FC poofing

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Originally Posted by baobaosun

Why not just make auto demo less than one month of inactivity? It might force players to stay subscribed to keep their house.

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Because it already does, you have to subscribe at least every 44 days, AND you have to visit the house as well. I do think apts are a valid alternative (however i agree workshop access should be a thing) But should apts scale to house size? FK NO! Because now you have a problematic system, of ward housing being inferior to apts, but requiring active visitation/subscription to keep, where scaled apts dont require any interaction with to keep for a slightly smaller space even after years of a subscription lapse.

And i doubt they are simply going to wipe out all the housing wards and instance everything.

Apts are actually decent alternatives, but because its not house sized players refuse to accept it.
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Originally Posted by Solowing

Apts are actually decent alternatives, but because its not house sized players refuse to accept it.
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Apartments are very limited in terms of decoration. Once You’ve covered the ugly default walls and added some windows, you are left with only a small amount of slots and an even smaller room to decorate. They are not a proper and sufficient alternative to housing.

An apartment twice the size of the current ones wouldn’t stop most people from wanting a house as it is not the same: they have zero utility and no outdoors. I am pretty sure that no one would give
their house away to get one if they had to chose (because you can have a house AND an apartment so your argument about apartments owners being privileged if they are made bigger doesn’t hold).

Personally, I wouldn’t care if my rooms were being demolished after 45 days of me not entering them and/or being unsubbed and away from the game. However, they could make that period 2-3 months . If someone doesn’t care about the game for so long, there is no reason to maintain privileges which end up locking content away from active and new players. Look at the server population in NA: the inactive (6+ months) population is about 8-10 times more than the active population depending on the server. A lot more housing would be required if they had never turned demolition on. Atm there is a demand for about 1500 more houses on my server based on the bids placed in the past two rounds and if Empyreum would have been released at the same time as patch 6.0, the housing shortage would be even worse as the active player population was higher and more would have placed bids.

Apartments are also full on at least one server. Housing is advertised as a feature for all and it should ‘t come down to a 1 in 100+ chance to access that content. It’s probably going to be closer to 1 in 1000 in the next round, assuming there is even one small house to bid on. SE should fix their ridiculous and inadequate housing system because even auto demolition is not a fix. It would just make very few houses available per month.

yes please, housing demo + more individual wards

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

An apartment twice the size of the current ones wouldn’t stop most people from wanting a house as it is not the same: they have zero utility and no outdoors.

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What utility are apartments completely lacking that houses have and players want?

Adding tenants and intercross gardening are the only two I can think of, and the demand for those two things really isn't that high.

On the other hand, you never have to worry about an apartment being demolished. Can't say that about a house.

Players are usually going to want bigger when bigger is an option but if more players would focus on what can be done with apartments instead of crapping on them for being small and not having features almost no one uses. many would find that apartments are a decent alternative. That would make more houses available for those who have specific need for the features a house offers but an apartment doesn't.

Even better if SE would actually promote apartments within the game instead of almost completely ignoring their existence. If the "Where the Heart is" quests were revamped to focus on apartment ownership instead of house ownership, more players might be happy with apartments because that's what they would be expecting to get for housing at first.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Apartments are also full on at least one server.

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They aren't full on any world right now. Balmung still has available apartments in Empyrean if players would bother checking the subdivision buildings.

SE also isn't going to add more housing to all worlds just because Balmung runs out. We've been through that twice already.

[QUOTE=Toutatis;5998033]Apartments are very limited in terms of decoration. Once You’ve covered the ugly default walls and added some windows, you are left with only a small amount of slots and an even smaller room to decorate. They are not a proper and sufficient alternative to housing.

An apartment twice the size of the current ones wouldn’t stop most people from wanting a house as it is not the same: they have zero utility and no outdoors. I am pretty sure that no one would give
their house away to get one if they had to chose (because you can have a house AND an apartment so your argument about apartments owners being privileged if they are made bigger doesn’t hold).

Personally, I wouldn’t care if my rooms were being demolished after 45 days of me not entering them and/or being unsubbed and away from the game. However, they could make that period 2-3 months . If someone doesn’t care about the game for so long, there is no reason to maintain privileges which end up locking content away from active and new players. Look at the server population in NA: the inactive (6+ months) population is about 8-10 times more than the active population depending on the server. A lot more housing would be required if they had never turned demolition on. Atm there is a demand for about 1500 more houses on my server based on the bids placed in the past two rounds and if Empyreum would have been released at the same time as patch 6.0, the housing shortage would be even worse as the active player population was higher and more would have placed bids.

Apartments are also full on at least one server. Housing is advertised as a feature for all and it should ‘t come down to a 1 in 100+ chance to access that content. It’s probably going to be closer to 1 in 1000 in the next round, assuming there is even one small house to bid on. SE should fix their ridiculous and inadequate housing system because even auto demolition is not a fix. It would just make very few houses available per month

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Apartments are very limited in terms of decoration. Once You’ve covered the ugly default walls and added some windows, you are left with only a small amount of slots and an even smaller room to decorate. They are not a proper and sufficient alternative to housing.

An apartment twice the size of the current ones wouldn’t stop most people from wanting a house as it is not the same: they have zero utility and no outdoors. I am pretty sure that no one would give
their house away to get one if they had to chose (because you can have a house AND an apartment so your argument about apartments owners being privileged if they are made bigger doesn’t hold).

Personally, I wouldn’t care if my rooms were being demolished after 45 days of me not entering them and/or being unsubbed and away from the game. However, they could make that period 2-3 months . If someone doesn’t care about the game for so long, there is no reason to maintain privileges which end up locking content away from active and new players. Look at the server population in NA: the inactive (6+ months) population is about 8-10 times more than the active population depending on the server. A lot more housing would be required if they had never turned demolition on. Atm there is a demand for about 1500 more houses on my server based on the bids placed in the past two rounds and if Empyreum would have been released at the same time as patch 6.0, the housing shortage would be even worse as the active player population was higher and more would have placed bids.

Apartments are also full on at least one server. Housing is advertised as a feature for all and it should ‘t come down to a 1 in 100+ chance to access that content. It’s probably going to be closer to 1 in 1000 in the next round, assuming there is even one small house to bid on. SE should fix their ridiculous and inadequate housing system because even auto demolition is not a fix. It would just make very few houses available per month.

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So are you telling my fc room thats in the screenshot is bare? Is this bare too? I can agree with 25/50 more slots for an apt. But i think it is enough to be a valid alternative to a house.
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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Players are usually going to want bigger when bigger is an option but if more players would focus on what can be done with apartments instead of crapping on them for being small and not having features almost no one uses. many would find that apartments are a decent alternative.

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A decent alternative compared to absolutely nothing? Sure. But comparing apartments to actual housing plots is like comparing apples to, I don't know, spaceships. They are not the same at all, and apartments/FC rooms are far more limited in every single way. And no, more and bigger apartments wouldn't lessen the housing demand, largely because of what I just said. And people can have an apartment, FC house and personal house on a single character. Your arguments in favor of apartments fall flat on every front.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

So are you telling my fc room thats in the screenshot is bare? Is this bare too? I can agree with 25/50 more slots for an apt. But i think it is enough to be a valid alternative to a house.
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Likewise for you as well. Just because you can get creative in a small space, doesn't make them a valid or even good alternative for the full housing experience.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

A decent alternative compared to absolutely nothing? Sure. But comparing apartments to actual housing plots is like comparing apples to, I don't know, spaceships. They are not the same at all, and apartments/FC rooms are far more limited in every single way. And no, more and bigger apartments wouldn't lessen the housing demand, largely because of what I just said. And people can have an apartment, FC house and personal house on a single character. Your arguments in favor of apartments fall flat on every front.



Likewise for you as well. Just because you can get creative in a small space, doesn't make them a valid or even good alternative for the full housing experience.

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My experience in my Apt sized room is no different then what i would/could do in my house, its simply a smaller version. If i can make a decent room in an apt, why cant you?

I can run a venue out of my apt, i can still make it into a lounge, and i can create a personal character space? Yes its limited in slot, but does that limit what you can make? No

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Originally Posted by Solowing

My experience in my Apt sized room is no different then what i would/could do in my house, its simply a smaller version. If i can make a decent room in an apt, why cant you?

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But it's not the full housing experience. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand, but I'll repeat it as much as I need to. Or until I give up out of frustration. As an aside, I've got a decent FC room that I'm content with and my apartment is a glorified walk-in closet where I stuff all of my excess furnishings. Creativity helps, but it doesn't make apartments or FC rooms a good alternative to the full housing experience that plot owners have access to. They will always be inferior. Better than nothing, but barely functional when compared to the alternatives which are so much better.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

But it's not the full housing experience. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand, but I'll repeat it as much as I need to. Or until I give up out of frustration. As an aside, I've got a decent FC room that I'm content with and my apartment is a glorified walk-in closet where I stuff all of my excess furnishings. Creativity helps, but it doesn't make apartments or FC rooms a good alternative to the full housing experience that plot owners have access to. They will always be inferior. Better than nothing, but barely functional when compared to the alternatives which are so much better.

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Because you cant cleanly define what a "full housing experience" consist of. If you feel your room is a glorified walk-in closet, try doing something with it so it doesn't feel like it. Are they smaller? Yes. Inferior? No.
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Originally Posted by Solowing

Because you cant cleanly define what a "full housing experience" consist of. If you feel your room is a glorified walk-in closet, try doing something with it so it doesn't feel like it. Are they smaller? Yes. Inferior? No.
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Exterior, interior. More than one room, meaning more space overall. Higher storage and placement limits. Gardening. FC workshops. I'd like to say chocobo stables too, but apartments have those available. I really shouldn't have to clarify these things as I'm sure you know full well what I mean, but here you go. A combination of a few of those things (or all of them for FCs) is the full housing experience, which apartments are not. They are inferior by design. Period. If people enjoy their apartments, that's fine. But they are not full and true housing. I also don't want my apartment to be anything more than what it is, so there's that too. So no, I'm doing absolutely nothing with it.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Exterior, interior. More than one room, meaning more space overall. Higher storage and placement limits. Gardening. FC workshops. I'd like to say chocobo stables too, but apartments have those available. I really shouldn't have to clarify these things, but here you go. I also don't want my apartment to be anything more than what it is, so there's that too.

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You can garden in your apt, just not cross breed. FC workshops are fc house exclusive, my private house cant access FC workshops. But i have a 2 floor 3 room apt....Is that not big enough? Go ahead double the size of the apt. I can downgrade, and finally let my 6 month subs lapse without worrying about my homes getting demolished.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

You can garden in your apt, just not cross breed. FC workshops are fc house exclusive, my private house cant access FC workshops. But i have a 2 floor 3 room apt....Is that not big enough?

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You are being purposely obtuse. You know what I'm talking about, so let's end this charade. You know full well what I mean by more space. And basically everything else I've said. You just don't want to hear it.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You are being purposely obtuse. You know what I'm talking about, so let's end this charade. You know full well what I mean by more space. And basically everything else I've said. You just don't want to hear it.

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I'm inclined to agree with the person you're arguing with. Apartments can easily be turned into two floors and comes with gardening. The only thing separating it is item limit and that's something I agree with being increased. But, apartments really aren't as bareboned as people want to make them out to be. Plus, comes with the benefit of not needing to be tied to a sub to keep it. Housing on its own is predatory, I personally wish they'd just improve apartments and make them upgradable. I'd never go for an actual house again if that became a reality.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I'm inclined to agree with the person you're arguing with. Apartments can easily be turned into two floors and comes with gardening. The only thing separating it is item limit and that's something I agree with being increased. But, apartments really aren't as bareboned as people want to make them out to be. Plus, comes with the benefit of not needing to be tied to a sub to keep it. Housing on its own is predatory, I personally wish they'd just improve apartments and make them upgradable. I'd never go for an actual house again if that became a reality.

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Then we really don't have much to discuss either on this. You don't seem to understand. That's fine, but let's just agree to disagree to avoid running in circles. Doing it with one person is exhausting enough.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Then we really don't have much to discuss either on this. You don't seem to understand. That's fine, but let's just agree to disagree to avoid running in circles. Doing it with one person is exhausting enough.

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Then you should admit you arnt looking for any input that doesn't agree with you.

Smalls are literally 2 rooms, Apts are 1 room, you want the apt size of a small house, but not have the demolition timer... So why would i ever go for a normal ward house when i can have a 2 room Apt that isnt going to get demolished if i decide to take a few months off?

Losing crossbreeding, and a mere 20 slot outdoor furnishing is well worth preserving 6 years worth of housing, and no longer requiring active upkeep of my subscription to keep it.

Try selling the idea of a slightly larger house that gets demolished if your sub lapses too long, when you can get a slightly smaller house that wont get demolished even if your sub lapses.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Then you should admit you arnt looking for any input that doesn't agree with you.

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I really am open to other opinions. Acting oblivious is just something I don't take kindly to. I'm also free to disagree with other peoples' opinions, which I have not been shy about. And I address every single point I can in the process. I acknowledge what others are saying. I just don't agree, and I don't want to get into it with others I don't have a bone to pick with.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Smalls are literally 2 rooms, Apts are 1 room, you want the apt size of a small house, but not have the demolition timer... So why would i ever go for a normal ward house when i can have a 2 room Apt that isnt going to get demolished if i decide to take a few months off?

Losing crossbreeding, and a mere 20 slot outdoor furnishing is well worth preserving 6 years worth of housing, and no longer requiring active upkeep of my subscription to keep it.

Try selling the idea of a slightly larger house that gets demolished if your sub lapses too long, when you can get a slightly smaller house that wont get demolished even if your sub lapses.

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Honestly, I'm not backing down, and I'm guessing neither are you. I feel strongly about my opinions. Very strongly. Unshakeable, even. We should probably just call it quits with our squabble. I'm good with that if you are.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I really am open to other opinions. Acting oblivious is just something I don't take kindly to. I'm also free to disagree with other peoples' opinions, which I have not been shy about. And I address every single point I can in the process. I acknowledge what others are saying. I just don't agree, and I don't want to get into it with others I don't have a bone to pick with.



Honestly, I'm not backing down, and I'm guessing neither are you. I feel strongly about my opinions. Very strongly. Unshakeable, even. We should probably just call it quits with our squabble. I'm good with that if you are.

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Oh i know you arnt backing down, its your opinion and i disagree but you have every right to say it regardless how i feel on it lol

But my question is. Why would anyone prefer a slightly larger 2 room small house that is subjected to being demolished for not up-keeping a subscription, if someone can get a slightly smaller 2 roomed apt that isn't subjected to being demolished ever?

Wouldn't it be foolish to ever choose the ward housing? Youd be willingly locking yourself into a subscription just to keep your house.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Oh i know you arnt backing down, its your opinion and i disagree but you have every right to say it regardless how i feel on it lol

But my question is. Why would anyone prefer a slightly larger 2 room small house that is subjected to being demolished for not up-keeping a subscription, if someone can get a slightly smaller 2 roomed apt that isn't subjected to being demolished ever?

Wouldn't it be foolish to ever choose the ward housing? Youd be willingly locking yourself into a subscription just to keep your house.

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Neither systems are good, in my opinion. No one should have to have their sub locked in just to keep their house, and no one should have to settle for a single room apartment to scratch that customization itch. Everyone should have access to the interiors and exteriors of a house of any size. The systems we have now are deeply flawed and don't go far enough to give players what they want. That is my entire point at the end of the day. Other MMOs handle housing like this just fine. FF XIV does not. Largely because most of them didn't design themselves into a corner with wards that need to be added manually and clog up their servers.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Oh i know you arnt backing down, its your opinion and i disagree but you have every right to say it regardless how i feel on it lol

But my question is. Why would anyone prefer a slightly larger 2 room small house that is subjected to being demolished for not up-keeping a subscription, if someone can get a slightly smaller 2 roomed apt that isn't subjected to being demolished ever?

Wouldn't it be foolish to ever choose the ward housing? Youd be willingly locking yourself into a subscription just to keep your house.

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The neighborhood feel.

I think people will definitely maintain subscription if they can basically make other people look at their house and show off.

Like the guys who stand with their glowy weapons in limsa all day, they can't be doing content.. i never see them move. But that sub is still active for them to stand there.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I really am open to other opinions. Acting oblivious is just something I don't take kindly to. I'm also free to disagree with other peoples' opinions, which I have not been shy about. And I address every single point I can in the process. I acknowledge what others are saying. I just don't agree.

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Except you're not open when you call others obtuse and state they're wrong. The only one being oblivious here is you.

Not everyone wants what you want. No one is saying that you specifically should be happy with just an apartment.

We're saying the player base needs to stop being so negative about apartments in general. They are not that bad. You can make multiple rooms in an apartment without leaving it feeling cramped and crowded. You get free access to chocobo stable, mailbox and teleport that would require the purchase of extra items to have with a house. You can garden as long as you're not trying to intercross for new seeds. The lack of demolition is a major perk for those who want to unsub for extended periods of time.

With the number of houses limited and SE highly unlikely to surprise us with a fix to the house supply problem, does it not make more sense to encourage players to use apartments if they're not going to be using the house only features? Moving part of the demand to apartments increases the supply for those who specifically want a house for the 3 extra features that apartments lack (workshops being irrelevant since that's FC only).

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

The neighborhood feel.

I think people will definitely maintain subscription if they can basically make other people look at their house and show off.

Like the guys who stand with their glowy weapons in limsa all day, they can't be doing content.. i never see them move. But that sub is still active for them to stand there.

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I get more of a neighborhood feeling outside of the apartment building with the apartments for my alts than I do at my house. At least at the apartment building I'll run into more players in a week than I'll see pass by my house in an entire year.

A neighborhood is people, not buildings. Put together a bunch of buildings with no one else present and you have a ghost town.

Apartments can be shown off just as much as houses if the owner wants, not that there are that many players that care about showing off. They simply want a space to call their own and decorate as they want without having other players gatekeep their access (which is what happens with FC houses).

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

The neighborhood feel.

I think people will definitely maintain subscription if they can basically make other people look at their house and show off.

Like the guys who stand with their glowy weapons in limsa all day, they can't be doing content.. i never see them move. But that sub is still active for them to stand there.

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If i can show off my Apt, that is house sized, that cant be demolished, why would i want a ward house? If i have a house already, and this idea is a good idea to make me trade up for a slightly smaller alternative that would literally unbound me from my subscription.

Anyone purchasing a ward house would be hookwinking themselves into a forced maintained subscription. And once people realize en-mass, players are going to be rushing to buy an apt and full on abandoning the housing wards (smalls)

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

A neighborhood is people, not buildings. Put together a bunch of buildings with no one else present and you have a ghost town.

Apartments can be shown off just as much as houses if the owner wants, not that there are that many players that care about showing off. They simply want a space to call their own and decorate as they want without having other players gatekeep their access (which is what happens with FC houses).

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Originally Posted by Solowing

If i can show off my Apt, that is house sized, that cant be demolished, why would i want a ward house? If i have a house already, and this idea is a good idea to make me trade up for a slightly smaller alternative that would literally unbound me from my subscription.

Anyone purchasing a ward house would be hookwinking themselves into a forced maintained subscription. And once people realize en-mass, players are going to be rushing to buy an apt and full on abandoning the housing wards (smalls)

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A neighborhood house is permanently on display, night and day, and unblockable. You live next to that guy? You gotta see it all the time, paissa walls and everything. If you want to 'show off" your apartment.. I gotta go there, SPECIFICALLY. A good location and desirable ward number (this is a thing) it's something for others to be envious of.

You asked for why anyone would want ward housing over apartments.. I gave an example. You can pish-tosh it all you like but, as is evidenced by the amount of people who balk anytime anyone suggests they want to "turn off" other players in any way, people WANT to have publicly visible things and be able to flaunt stuff that others don't have.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

A neighborhood house is permanently on display, night and day, and unblockable. You live next to that guy? You gotta see it all the time, paissa walls and everything. If you want to 'show off" your apartment.. I gotta go there, SPECIFICALLY. A good location and desirable ward number (this is a thing) it's something for others to be envious of.

You asked for why anyone would want ward housing over apartments.. I gave an example. You can pish-tosh it all you like but, as is evidenced by the amount of people who balk anytime anyone suggests they want to "turn off" other players in any way, people WANT to have publicly visible things and be able to flaunt stuff that others don't have.

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If this suggestion was easy enough for somebody of 6 years daily housing usage, to say id willingly drop my ward house for a instanced 2 floored apt that would allow me to relinquish my subscription indefinitely at any period of time. I mean that fine by me, and that be fine by you. But Square will no longer see 6 month subscriptions from me, and anyone foolish enough to buy a ward house will soon realize it wasn't worth a subscription that you CANNOT lapse anymore.

Also nobody cares about what your exterior looks like, if your preference, not mine. I dont remember a single housing exterior that isnt mine.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Except you're not open when you call others obtuse and state they're wrong. The only one being oblivious here is you.

Not everyone wants what you want. No one is saying that you specifically should be happy with just an apartment.

We're saying the player base needs to stop being so negative about apartments in general. They are not that bad. You can make multiple rooms in an apartment without leaving it feeling cramped and crowded. You get free access to chocobo stable, mailbox and teleport that would require the purchase of extra items to have with a house. You can garden as long as you're not trying to intercross for new seeds. The lack of demolition is a major perk for those who want to unsub for extended periods of time.

With the number of houses limited and SE highly unlikely to surprise us with a fix to the house supply problem, does it not make more sense to encourage players to use apartments if they're not going to be using the house only features? Moving part of the demand to apartments increases the supply for those who specifically want a house for the 3 extra features that apartments lack (workshops being irrelevant since that's FC only).

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I've gone out of my way to acknowledge what others have said. Haven't really gotten much of the same in return. I feel very strongly about this either way. But yeah, I guess what it comes down to is that I simply can't process how some people are okay with settling for less. It truly is beyond my comprehension. It's one thing to be genuinely content with a feature. That's okay. If someone really does enjoy apartments then I've got no issue with it. It's another to sell oneself short and defend poor content design, which is what I see a lot, all too frequently nowadays. I've never said that they should do away with them, for what it's worth. I actually think they should stay. They do serve a purpose. I just feel that we as a player base deserve easier and frequent access to more and better things. SE designed themselves into a corner. When other MMOs can handle housing worlds better than the way this dev team does, I think that something needs to change, and I don't think that the forums or other outlets push hard enough. That is not okay. In regards to housing I really don't think we get our money's worth. So yeah, I've got no problem at all with dying on this particular hill.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

If this suggestion was easy enough for somebody of 6 years daily housing usage, to say id willingly drop my ward house for a instanced 2 floored apt that would allow me to relinquish my subscription indefinitely at any period of time. I mean that fine by me, and that be fine by you. But Square will no longer see 6 month subscriptions from me, and anyone foolish enough to buy a ward house will soon realize it wasn't worth a subscription that you CANNOT lapse anymore.

Also nobody cares about what your exterior looks like, if your preference, not mine. I dont remember a single housing exterior that isnt mine.

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Everyone is not you.. as I said. Just because you don't value things doesn't mean others feel the same. I personally don't care about my neighbors either, but I do enjoy having a "beachfront" house. It's fun to hang out on the deck I setup and gaze out at the beach. Can't do that in an apartment either. Considering I play the game constantly anyway and to be absolutely truthful 15 bucks a month isn't something I even think about stopping even if I don't manage to get online that month. So just on those points I wouldn't drop my house for an apartment anytime soon.

And yet again there is a population where visibility and envy are everything. They aren't me but they are demonstrably present and catered to.

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Everyone is not you.. as I said. Just because you don't value things doesn't mean others feel the same. I personally don't care about my neighbors either, but I do enjoy having a "beachfront" house. It's fun to hang out on the deck I setup and gaze out at the beach. Can't do that in an apartment either. Considering I play the game constantly anyway and to be absolutely truthful 15 bucks a month isn't something I even think about stopping even if I don't manage to get online that month. So just on those points I wouldn't drop my house for an apartment anytime soon.

And yet again there is a population where visibility and envy are everything. They aren't me but they are demonstrably present and catered to.

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If you think they are going to have an apt that you can upgrade to the size of a small, yet be cheaper then a 2-6 million gil small plot, that cant demolished is going to be less enticing then a house with the only additional benefit being cross breeding, and 20 slot yard (16 if youre going to keep a chocobo stable, Aytherite, garden, mailbox), and a 45 day demolition timer?

Anyone who decided to purchase a house seeing how little difference it is, but it being millions of gil more expensive, but requiring a active subscription to hold, is giving themselves the short end of the stick from a value proposition standpoint. And youre saying people would happily shaft themselves as long as they got a ward house? That hardly anyone is ever really in, to sit in a yard that barely has any furnishing slots?

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Originally Posted by Solowing

If you think they are going to have an apt that you can upgrade to the size of a small, yet be cheaper then a 2-6 million gil small plot, that cant demolished is going to be less enticing then a house with the only additional benefit being cross breeding, and 20 slot yard (16 if youre going to keep a chocobo stable, Aytherite, garden, mailbox), and a 45 day demolition timer?

Anyone who decided to purchase a house seeing how little difference it is, but it being millions of gil more expensive, but requiring a active subscription to hold, is giving themselves the short end of the stick from a value proposition standpoint. And youre saying people would happily shaft themselves as long as they got a ward house? That hardly anyone is ever really in, to sit in a yard that barely has any furnishing slots?

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Yes. Because people value different things and no matter how you try to "sell" it, people will find value in what they value. And if people value the permanence of a ward along with the scenery and peacocking capability.. they will not move to an instanced apartment that has none of that.