"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

Giving unsolicited advice about mechanics is generally accepted, and indeed welcomed, by most people. Giving unsolicited advice about how to do their job, however, is rarely accepted with good grace, no matter how you word it. Funnily enough, people don't like being told how to do their job by total strangers in real life, either.

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引用元：Espritduo

Giving unsolicited advice about mechanics is generally accepted, and indeed welcomed, by most people. Giving unsolicited advice about how to do their job, however, is rarely accepted with good grace, no matter how you word it. Funnily enough, people don't like being told how to do their job by total strangers in real life, either.

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Yeah, and people who underperformed or don't do them at all get fired.

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引用元：Xtrasweettea

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I disagree with nearly everything you've said here. You can leave, kick, or attempt to continue.

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引用元：Miracle_Diva

You are forgetting that it's an MMO (a massively multiplayer online game) and you have to group up with other players if you want to proceed further in the content/story/w.e.

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You are quite mistaken. I have not forgotten anything. Everything i've said, I have said with this in mind.

Yes, i know to some people it is "fine." I am those people.

As for what the big problem is, I suspect it was touched upon earlier in the thread. It's simply a vast cultural difference. For example, Xtrasweetea seems to think everyone owes everyone, while I firmly believe that no one owes anyone.

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引用元：Espritduo

Giving unsolicited advice about mechanics is generally accepted, and indeed welcomed, by most people. Giving unsolicited advice about how to do their job, however, is rarely accepted with good grace, no matter how you word it. Funnily enough, people don't like being told how to do their job by total strangers in real life, either.

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I highly doubt saying "excuse me, but could you..." would get the same response as "Hey! Jack***! know your place and..."

Wording absolutely plays a factor, even if small.

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引用元：Valkyrie_Lenneth

Yeah, and people who underperformed or don't do them at all get fired.

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Heh, well you're not wrong

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引用元：Valkyrie_Lenneth

Yeah, and people who underperformed or don't do them at all get fired.

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Of course. And you can bet most of them don't look too kindly on the person that fired them, justified or not (the terminated employee rarely feels their firing was justified, of course).



Wording plays a factor, but when it comes to how a person is doing their job, there are very few ways to end the sentence "Excuse me, but could you..." that isn't going to raise their hackles, even if they don't openly show it.

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引用元：Laesha

You are quite mistaken. I have not forgotten anything. Everything i've said, I have said with this in mind.

Yes, i know to some people it is "fine." I am those people.

It's simply a vast cultural difference. For example, Xtrasweetea seems to think everyone owes everyone, while I firmly believe that no one owes anyone.

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Then you are part of the problem.
By entering duty finder, you owe your other group members your adequate performance. Not best, not even good, just adequate. Being bad because you don't know is fine. Being bad because you don't care about anyone but yourself and just want to be carried - is not. Yes, I don't pay your sub, but you don't pay mine neither. You entered a duty with other players. If you want them to respect you, you should respect their time and try your best (even if it's not the best) because you all have the same goal - to finish that duty. And not everyone has much time to play. +15 minutes than "normal" in a duty here, +20 minutes there is already a half an hour.

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引用元：Miracle_Diva

Then you are part of the problem.
By entering duty finder, you owe your other group members your adequate performance. Not best, not even good, just adequate. Being bad because you don't know is fine. Being bad because you don't care about anyone but yourself and just want to be carried - is not. Yes, I don't pay your sub, but you don't pay mine neither. You entered a duty with other players. If you want them to respect you, you should respect their time and try your best (even if it's not the best) because you all have the same goal - to clear that duty.

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And I always give my best effort. That is my number 1 enjoyment in the game, competing against myself to be optimal. Knowledge + effort = contribution. I want to contribute as much as I possibly can to any given duty. Sometimes I do better than others, but my general curve always trends upwards over time.

But if someone else does not do that, for me, it is fine.

Also, i do not care about your respect. I care about contributing as much as I can. Any time taken off of the total duty time is merely a side effect of effort, but it is never my goal.

And if that is difficult for you, again, you can kick, leave, or attempt to continue.

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引用元：Miracle_Diva

Then you are part of the problem.
By entering duty finder, you owe your other group members your adequate performance. Not best, not even good, just adequate. Being bad because you don't know is fine. Being bad because you don't care about anyone but yourself and just want to be carried - is not. Yes, I don't pay your sub, but you don't pay mine neither. You entered a duty with other players. If you want them to respect you, you should respect their time and try your best (even if it's not the best) because you all have the same goal - to finish that duty. And not everyone has much time to play. +15 minutes than "normal" in a duty here, +20 minutes there is already a half an hour.

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Exactly. I don't care how skilled or unskilled someone is. I respect and appreciate that they are trying their hardest even if their hardest isn't quite cutting it for the content they're in. And if they seem like they are a nice person, that also helps things. No one is perfect and we all make mistakes. Today I'm actually having a bit of an off day myself. We all have those. However, I may not tolerate poor performance forever depending on the content, or if I join a farm party that's supposed to be a farm when in actuality it is at best a learning party. lol Joined one of those last night, actually. Gave them a good half an hour to get themselves sorted but it didn't pan out.

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引用元：Laesha

I disagree with nearly everything you've said here. You can leave, kick, or attempt to continue.

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No, I can still can give advice to help everyone meet the assumptions within the contract and future contracts.

Is it better to kick a person failing at a mechanic you can spend 3 minutes explaining (or just copy pasting from a wiki)?

It is better to leave than to say "You can save MP by not spamming Cure 1 to try to get that Cure 2 proc. You have a 85% chance to not proc that."

I may have costed a handful of minutes explaining mechanics or mana saving tips, but I just gave that person accumulated netted time in the future from those tips.

Now, if they or a GCBTW Whiteknight tells me to stop or don't bother at all to try to execute what I have explained, then I can choose to execute my contract termination rights and leave or try to salvage my bottom line and kick the person. Invoices will not get paid, and time is cumulatively lost among everyone within that contract.

I have all of those rights as a contract holder and a player within that DR event. You, someone who I do not have a contract with, has no say.

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引用元：Xtrasweettea

No, I can still can give advice to help everyone meet the assumptions within the contract and future contracts.

Is it better to kick a person failing at a mechanic you can spend 3 minutes explaining (or just copy pasting from a wiki)?

It is better to leave than to say "You can save MP by not spamming Cure 1 to try to get that Cure 2 proc. You have a 85% chance to not proc that."

I may have costed a handful of minutes explaining mechanics or mana saving tips, but I just gave that person accumulated netted time in the future from those tips.

Now, if they or a GCBTW Whiteknight tells me to stop or don't bother at all to try to execute what I have explained, then I can choose to execute my contract termination rights and leave or try to salvage my bottom line and kick the person. Invoices will not get paid, and time is cumulatively lost among everyone within that contract.

I have all of those rights as a contract holder and a player within that DR event. You, someone who I do not have a contract with, has no say.

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Cool story. I have no sympathy when you receive a negative response. Also, this obviously fits below "continue attempting to complete the duty"

edit: i feel like a lot of people in this thread ignore that in so many instances of mechanical difficulty, people do indeed ask for tips (i.e. "i'm new, any tips?" "What do i do here" "anything to watch out for") That is solicited advice. Knock yourselves out. My experience when it comes to people giving unsolicited advice has never been positive.

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引用元：Laesha

And I always give my best effort. That is my number 1 enjoyment in the game, competing against myself to be optimal. Knowledge + effort = contribution. I want to contribute as much as I possibly can to any given duty. Sometimes I do better than others, but my general curve always trends upwards over time.

But if someone else does not do that, for me, it is fine.

Also, i do not care about your respect. I care about contributing as much as I can. Any time taken off of the total duty time is merely a side effect of effort, but it is never my goal.

And if that is difficult for you, again, you can kick, leave, or attempt to continue.

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I see that *You* thing you have and it's quite funny. The message wasn't aimed at you in particular, but apparently it's too difficult for You to understand that (: .
Quite sad that besides these choices you don't see other solutions. I'll decline your advice and will try something else if the problem comes.
Like trying to give a helpful advice. :D

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引用元：Miracle_Diva

Like trying to give a helpful advice. :D

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This is merely attempting to continue.

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引用元：Laesha

Cringe all you want. If advice is not asked for, it is pretentious.

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This is just incorrect on so many levels. If I get put into an instance with someone playing their job quite literally wrong on every single level I'm going to give some simple advice. I've taught multiple people among my friends and FC how to play WAR, I've taught countless people in an MMO I used to play how to play the class I played there. I enjoy teaching people and helping them improve. XIV is the only game I've played where the standard response to someone attempting to help one improve is hostility, and due in part to that is why XIV has such a gigantic problem with toxic casuals and how that mindset is coddled, white knighted, & defended by a large majority of the playerbase. They perpetuate the problem and allow it to fester.

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引用元：Lucy_Pyre

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You do you, boo. Enjoy the hostility.

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引用元：Laesha

You do you, boo. Enjoy the hostility.

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GCBTW.

/10char

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引用元：Lucy_Pyre

GCBTW.

/10char

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if only i were here for the community

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引用元：Laesha

My experience when it comes to people giving unsolicited advice has never been positive.

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Please explain, or give examples on why they weren't positive. Were they rude or just blunt when giving advice? were they rude after a certain point?

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引用元：Nestama

Please explain, or give examples on why they weren't positive. Were they rude or just blunt when giving advice? were they rude after a certain point?

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Most of the ones i see are terse, obnoxious, often macro'ed with sounds.

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"L2P, regen is your best heal"

Telling a dancer not do aoe on groups of 2 or use their aoe procs on single targets. (aoe is for 3 or more)

I see lots of people who feel required to speak up and "advise" healers who are "not doing enough dps", while I'm busy burying them.

One in particular that I remember having that was directed at myself-

I joined an expert rou as Ast. The group kept a good pace, so I did my best to deal as much dps as possible, minimize overhealing, etc. Naturally this caused the group HP to hover around 70%. No one died, and I felt very good about my performance. After the first boss to the end of the dungeon I was called lazy, bad, worthless. I was told I wasn't healing nearly enough, that my job was to keep people topped off. etc. I rolled my eyes and finished the dungeon. Apparently me ignoring their advice wasn't enough to warrant a kick, just abuse.

I've been told that @ level 80, fire 2 should be a big part of my blm aoe rotation. I've been told that I should never use TBN on drk.

Some of that advice was delivered kindly, other abusively. All bad. And as I think i mentioned, lots of advisors i've seen tend to be rather terrible players. I can honestly remember only 2 mentors (with the crown) that i found impressive and would have been interested in advice from based on their play. (I remember them specifically because they are so rare. One was in a 50/60 run of the Anti-tower during Stormblood. He was one of the best bards i've ever seen. And the other was a very good warrior that I don't recall using a single GCD heal on in Grand Cosmos)

Edit - other ones that i think of are healers who rescue me into death, then bitch when i tell them I didn't need a rescue and the incoming damage was fully intended and fully survivable. (specifics that come to mind are yanking me away from EV4 Shiva's center holy when i'm on tank and can easily survive with some cooldowns. In Rabanastre during Stormblood, i would often take hits with Riddle of Earth to keep my stacks and then heal myself. The phase switch from Garuda to Ifrit on EV2.) All of which basically reinforce my idea that they are just being pretentious by thinking they know better than I do. If i want help, i will ask for it (or more likely seek it out myself)

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引用元：Laesha

Most of the ones i see are terse, obnoxious, often macro'ed with sounds.

Some of that advice was delivered kindly, other abusively. All bad. And as I think i mentioned, lots of advisors i've seen tend to be rather terrible players. I can honestly remember only 2 mentors (with the crown) that i found impressive and would have been interested in advice from based on their play. (I remember them specifically because they are so rare. One was in a 50/60 run of the Anti-tower during Stormblood. He was one of the best bards i've ever seen. And the other was a very good warrior that I don't recall using a single GCD heal on in Grand Cosmos)

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Aside from that Grand Cosmos run (which people were clearly being jerks while you were doing just fine) some of what you have listed isn't BAD advice, but the delivery wasn't good. AoE on 2 enemies is a waste of time and resources. Regen is also very useful. If someone had to resort to spamming a macro for Holy usage (or felt the need to make one in the first place) then I think the issue was that particular healer at the time and others who don't use Holy, when they probably should be. Again, not bad advice, but it could have been worded better instead of coming from a place of frustration...or spamming chat with an obnoxious macro. In raids, healers are tasked with minimizing damage as well as keeping people upright if they can. So yeah, they will rescue you to avoid unnecessary damage. Just because you CAN survive something doesn't always mean it's a good idea. To me, that is being somewhat bullheaded for no reason. They're doing their jobs. As a tank, you should be looking to minimize your own incoming damage wherever possible. Why take more when you could have taken less?

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引用元：Vahlnir

Aside from that Grand Cosmos run (which people were clearly being jerks while you were doing just fine) some of what you have listed isn't BAD advice, but the delivery wasn't good. AoE on 2 enemies is a waste of time and resources.

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Lol - dancer aoe on 2 is higher potency than single target. And aoe procs are higher potency than single target 1 2, and is only not worth using if you're about to lose your timer on a single target proc

and yes, obviously I know regen and holy are good abilities, but regen is not always the "best" heal. Why regen 3 when you can put up a medica. And no, if a healer doesn't want to spam the shit out of holy because they aren't comfortable, I will absolutely vote along side them to kick that spammer. And as I pointed out before, i'm of the opinion that if someone uses poor wording, it is also their responsibility and compounds the rudeness of their "advice"

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引用元：Laesha

Lol - dancer aoe on 2 is higher potency than single target.

and yes, obviously I know regen and holy are good abilities, but regen is not always the "best" heal. Why regen 3 when you can put up a medica. And no, if a healer doesn't want to spam the shit out of holy because they aren't comfortable, I will absolutely vote along side them to kick that spammer. And as I pointed out before, i'm of the opinion that if someone uses poor wording, it is also their responsibility and compounds the rudeness of their "advice"

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If a healer isn't comfortable then obviously they should focus on healing more than dps. But Holy is in their toolkit for a reason.

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引用元：Vahlnir

But Holy is in their toolkit for a reason.

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Who are you trying to convince of this?

Also, it's good to know that based on how you probably feel while you run that day, you may arbitrarily fall on one side of the line (comfort level is important) vs. the other (healer is lazy and not dps'ing)

bad advice....

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引用元：Laesha

Who are you trying to convince of this?

Also, it's good to know that based on how you probably feel while you run that day, you may arbitrarily fall on one side of the line (comfort level is important) vs. the other (healer is lazy and not dps'ing)

bad advice....

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I have a pretty high tolerance for people on any given day. As I said, if a healer isn't comfortable with dpsing and healing then they should stick to healing. But I do feel that Holy should be used more often than it is. Do I say anything? No. As long as people are kept upright I really don't care that much. If things are bad enough in any piece of content I will just leave in silence. I'm just a fan of using everything available in one's toolkit. That isn't me picking sides depending on the day. That is me seeing both sides of this and understanding them.

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引用元：Laesha

Who are you trying to convince of this?

Also, it's good to know that based on how you probably feel while you run that day, you may arbitrarily fall on one side of the line (comfort level is important) vs. the other (healer is lazy and not dps'ing)

bad advice....

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No one gets comfortable without trying.

If a WHM is refusing to Holy they should be kicked, period.

Now that can happen two ways - one, advising them on the benefits of the spell and seeing if they pick it up. "Hey [WHM] if you Holy on big pulls it stuns everything which saves you from having to heal that damage up, plus it helps kill stuff" isn't hard to type out if you've got a keyboard.

Or... silent kick?

Like you understand those are the two options, right? And that you're advocating for people to be silently kicked rather than advised how to improve? If you're unilaterally opposed to unsolicited advice what you're telling me to do is kick anyone not performing well, I don't think that's what most people want.

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引用元：Vahlnir

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So then, my take away here is that you agree -

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is indeed bad advice.

What it sounds like your advice would be is "Consider using Holy when you feel comfortable. If you're nervous, just take it nice and light. Maybe use it with a swiftcast between OGCD heals. Not only will do good damage, it's also a great mitigation tool because of how long it can stun every enemy in range"

but this is not something i have ever seen someone type on a whim. All context and situational factors are ignored.

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引用元：Laesha

Cool story. I have no sympathy when you receive a negative response. Also, this obviously fits below "continue attempting to complete the duty"

edit: i feel like a lot of people in this thread ignore that in so many instances of mechanical difficulty, people do indeed ask for tips (i.e. "i'm new, any tips?" "What do i do here" "anything to watch out for") That is solicited advice. Knock yourselves out. My experience when it comes to people giving unsolicited advice has never been positive.

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Not seeking sympathy. If the feedback is negative, I can execute my contract terminations rights (Kick or leave). Happened before to me before and it will happen to me in the future. That's expected.

I can only speak for myself: I am not ignoring those instances with difficult or nuance mechanics (such as the mechanics of the final boss Mt. Gulg). If someone asks for help, I provide with best effort to help.

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引用元：Veis_Alveare

No one gets comfortable without trying.

If a WHM is refusing to Holy they should be kicked, period.

Now that can happen two ways - one, advising them on the benefits of the spell and seeing if they pick it up. "Hey [WHM] if you Holy on big pulls it stuns everything which saves you from having to heal that damage up, plus it helps kill stuff" isn't hard to type out if you've got a keyboard.

Or... silent kick?

Like you understand those are the two options, right? And that you're advocating for people to be silently kicked rather than advised how to improve? If you're unilaterally opposed to unsolicited advice what you're telling me to do is kick anyone not performing well, I don't think that's what most people want.

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No. i simply would not vote to kick them.

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引用元：Laesha

So then, my take away here is that you agree -

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is indeed bad advice.

What it sounds like your advice would be is "Consider using Holy when you feel comfortable. If you're nervous, just take it nice and light. Maybe use it with a swiftcast between OGCD heals. Not only will do good damage, it's also a great mitigation tool because of how long it can stun every enemy in range"

but this is not something i have ever seen someone type on a whim. All context and situational factors are ignored.

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I'm pretty sure we went over this already. Yes, I think that spamming a macro like that is in poor taste and taking a much more polite approach is better. Thought the same a page ago as well.

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引用元：Laesha

Then don't say it's "good advice delivered badly"

It's bad advice because it's incomplete

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Again, we went over this already. Why do you continue to beat a dead horse? At this point you are just coming across as being difficult for absolutely no reason.

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引用元：Vahlnir

I'm pretty sure we went over this already. Yes, I think that spamming a macro like that is in poor taste and taking a much more polite approach is better. Thought the same a page ago as well.

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Then don't say it's "good advice delivered badly"

It's bad advice because it's incomplete

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引用元：Laesha

Lol - dancer aoe on 2 is higher potency than single target. And aoe procs are higher potency than single target 1 2, and is only not worth using if you're about to lose your timer on a single target proc

and yes, obviously I know regen and holy are good abilities, but regen is not always the "best" heal. Why regen 3 when you can put up a medica. And no, if a healer doesn't want to spam the shit out of holy because they aren't comfortable, I will absolutely vote along side them to kick that spammer. And as I pointed out before, i'm of the opinion that if someone uses poor wording, it is also their responsibility and compounds the rudeness of their "advice"

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No one gets comfortable doing something without doing it to reach comfort. If someone says they aren't going to DPS and heal as a healer because they aren't comfortable then I'm simply going to suggest to them that they can't get comfortable doing it without doing it. I would much rather wipe once because the healer is stepping out of their comfort zone and trying to improve than simply have an issue-less, slow run because the healer is being a healbot doing zero damage.

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引用元：Lucy_Pyre

No one gets comfortable doing something without doing it to reach comfort. If someone says they aren't going to DPS and heal as a healer because they aren't comfortable then I'm simply going to suggest to them that they can't get comfortable doing it without doing it. I would much rather wipe once because the healer is stepping out of their comfort zone and trying to improve than simply have an issue-less, slow run because the healer is being a healbot doing zero damage.

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Which is fine for you I suppose. Their performance is not that important to me.

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引用元：Laesha

Which is fine for you I suppose. Their performance is not that important to me.

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Your party member's performance isn't important to you? Wonder if it would be important if they started adding dps checks and enrages to normal dungeon bosses.

I don't think there's anything overly wrong with offering unsolicited advice, IF it's polite, but people should understand that it's probably not welcome.

First, let's disregard all of the 90 minute timeout runs where nobody in the group can even name the game they're playing, that a few of us are claiming to always end up in. In certain situations even unwelcome advice is appropriate.

Now, let's assume a run where everything's going alright... Not great, just alright. Even if it's polite, do you honestly think people enjoy having their gameplay called out in front of the group when it wasn't necessary to do so? It's presumptuous and kind of pompous. It would probably be received better if the advice was given in a private message instead of in group chat; it would at least be less likely to result in a fight.

Regardless, I think a lot of people in this game, for some reason, just believe the whole world is very interested in their opinions. I feel like this is a community full of those people who walk around correcting peoples pronunciation of words, or critiquing their clothes and then acting baffled when someone finally tells them to just shut up. Like they never developed a sense of when picking at people isn't helpful, and is just annoying.

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引用元：Goji1639

I don't think there's anything overly wrong with offering unsolicited advice, but people should do so with the understanding that it's probably not welcome.

First, let's disregard all of the 90 minute timeout runs where nobody in the group can even name the game they're playing, that a few of us are claiming to always end up in. In certain situations even unwelcome advice is appropriate.

Now, let's assume a run where everything's going alright... Not great, just alright. Even if it's polite, do you honestly think people enjoy having their gameplay called out in front of the group when it wasn't necessary to do so? It's presumptuous and kind of pompous. Honestly, it would probably be received better if the advice was given in a private message instead of in group chat.

Regardless, I think a lot of people in this game, for some reason, just believe the whole world is very interested in their opinions. I feel like this is a community full of those people who walk around correcting peoples pronunciation of words, or critiquing their clothes and then acting baffled when someone finally tells them to just shut up. Like they never developed a sense of when picking at people isn't helpful, and is just annoying.

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Similarly, there is a group of people in this game who walk around with the incredibly entitled opinion that anyone they're working on anything with is responsible for picking up their slack no matter the situation. I'd imagine these are people who were always lucky enough to get grouped with others in school who didn't mind putting in extra effort. At work they're likely intolerable nuisances who can hardly do their own jobs much less help anyone else but they still act like they're equal to their peers.

Irl analogues aside you don't get to determine when advice becomes necessary. For you that's before you time out in a dungeon, cool, just don't give advice before that point then.

Other people have different thresholds of acceptable play. They're going to offer advice when they see fit.

Perhaps the best way to avoid the embarrassment of being given unsolicited advice is educating yourself on the game and the job you're on - that way you're secure in your abilities if someone does feel the need to call you out on something and knowledgable enough about the mechanics of the instance you're in/job you're on that you're able to explain why what you're doing is correct.

Insulating people from discussion on improvement only causes the divide in the playerbase to widen.

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引用元：Veis_Alveare

Similarly, there is a group of people in this game who walk around with the incredibly entitled opinion that anyone they're working on anything with is responsible for picking up their slack no matter the situation. I'd imagine these are people who were always lucky enough to get grouped with others in school who didn't mind putting in extra effort. At work they're likely intolerable nuisances who can hardly do their own jobs much less help anyone else but they still act like they're equal to their peers.

Irl analogues aside you don't get to determine when advice becomes necessary. For you that's before you time out in a dungeon, cool, just don't give advice before that point then.

Other people have different thresholds of acceptable play. They're going to offer advice when they see fit.

Perhaps the best way to avoid the embarrassment of being given unsolicited advice is educating yourself on the game and the job you're on - that way you're secure in your abilities if someone does feel the need to call you out on something and knowledgable enough about the mechanics of the instance you're in/job you're on that you're able to explain why what you're doing is correct.

Insulating people from discussion on improvement only causes the divide in the playerbase to widen.

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I'm aware some of you just like to nag, and will set the bar wherever you think will allow you to pester strangers as frequently as possible.

Most people, however, can recognize when a run is going fine and when a run needs something to change. When a run is going fine unsolicited advice is basically just calling someone out in front of the group; and trying to make that smell better with some polite wording isn't super likely to prevent the other person from taking it as an insult.

I'm just not sure why you all act surprised by the idea that people don't enjoy being picked at. Some of you understanding that and conducting yourselves accordingly would prevent a lot of conflict in this community.

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引用元：Goji1639

I'm aware some of you just like to nag, and will set the bar wherever you think will allow you pester strangers as frequently as possible.

Most people, however, can recognize when a run is going fine and when a run needs something to change. When a run is going fine unsolicited advice is basically just calling someone out in front of the group; and trying to make that smell better with some polite wording isn't super likely to prevent the other person from taking it as an insult.

I'm just not sure why you all act surprised by the idea that people don't enjoy being picked at. Some of you understanding that and conducting yourselves accordingly would prevent a lot of conflict in this community.

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So basically, "unsolicited advice" is just a crutch the ignorant use to stay willfully ignorant...

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引用元：JohnSpawnVFX

So basically, "unsolicited advice" is just a crutch the ignorant use to stay willfully ignorant...

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They are right about one thing regardless, as much as I don't like admitting it. If things are going fine then it probably isn't necessary to say much of anything.

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引用元：JohnSpawnVFX

So basically, "unsolicited advice" is just a crutch the ignorant use to stay willfully ignorant...

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No one needs a "crutch," if they don't want to learn they're not going to; and if they do want to learn they have a billion better options than being picked at by some dude in a roulette.

A roulette isn't a classroom and you're not a teacher; no one in that situation agreed or is obligated to respect your tutelage. So, realize that acting like it's a classroom, and you're a teacher, is kind of pompous and will likely be received poorly.

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引用元：Goji1639

No one needs a "crutch," if they don't want to learn they're not going to; and if they do want to learn they have a billion better options than being picked at by some dude in a roulette.

A roulette isn't a classroom and you're not a teacher; no one in that situation agreed or is obligated to respect your tutelage. So, realize that acting like it's a classroom, and you're a teacher, is kind of pompous and will likely be received poorly.

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No one in that situation agreed or is obligated to respect someone's ignorance either. And in the case of the wilfully ignorant, it's pretty arrogant to assume others should be fine with your lack of effort and should gladly work extra to carry your load.

There's a reason basic education is mandatory in most countries, and people don't start the game already knowing how to play it. Dismissing information out of laziness and unwillingness to learn is absolutely pompous to the rest of the group and may be received poorly as well.

Best to cover all your bases and be open to learning.